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<none4now> |
woohoo, virtual consoles ;) |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<adnyxo> |
morning rkdavis |
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<rkdavis> |
morning adnyxo |
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<adnyxo> |
mind if i ask a question about winff? |
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<Kevin`> |
do these devices have a usb port? device, host, or both? |
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<adnyxo> |
no host yet iirc |
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<Kevin`> |
so it has a physical usb port? |
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<Kevin`> |
does the soc/board have host capability? the current limitation is software? |
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<Kevin`> |
http://xkcd.com/644/ - i'm reminded of this |
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<Kevin`> |
how long does the battery work for with wireless? |
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<adnyxo> |
not long enough |
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<adnyxo> |
but theres no usb hardware yet |
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<adnyxo> |
youll have to add your own usb port |
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<adnyxo> |
i think |
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<adnyxo> |
talk to rkdavis |
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<adnyxo> |
or the people in the know |
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<Kevin`> |
rkdavis: ping |
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<rkdavis> |
pong |
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<rkdavis> |
well png in a sec i need to get coffee brb |
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<Kevin`> |
how can haz usb? |
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<rkdavis> |
ok back |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin: usb host is possible but it's not well tested so no gaurentees as to what devices will work, mouse, keyboard and thumb drive have been tested but.... |
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<Kevin`> |
how, physically, do you connect it? is there a usb port already? |
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<rkdavis> |
also you'll need a rear connector, to make a teeny hardware modification to your zipit and up grade your bootloader to u-boot and compile your own kernel .33+ with GPSFan's patches |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin`: the rear connector has usb client, with the modification it turns it into usb host (v1.1) |
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<Kevin`> |
an adapter is needed then? |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin`: no adapter but you'll need to make your own cable |
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<Kevin`> |
do you have a reference? |
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<rkdavis> |
you need the rear connector (about 6 bucks from digikey), some wire and a usb female connector for the other end |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin`: actually you are screwed -- there are no more connectors available |
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<rkdavis> |
they seem to have sold the last 291 |
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<Kevin`> |
well what's the model for it |
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<rkdavis> |
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&site=US&WT.z_homepage_link=hp_go_button&KeyWords=ST40X-36S-CV%2880%29&x=26&y=21 |
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<Kevin`> |
http://mouser.com/ProductDetail/Hirose-Electric/ST40X-36S-CV80/?qs=XQjbzJWzFPW%252bxHWx9TIZ2g%3d%3d |
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<Kevin`> |
I call one of those 17 |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmmmm i think i know who bought all the digikey ones, i'll have to grab a few more of him |
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<rkdavis> |
once mouser runs out i can sell them at exhorbitant prices :) |
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<Kevin`> |
the'll get more eventually |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin`: nope hirose aren't making any more unless you order 2000 at a time |
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<rkdavis> |
i rang and asked them a few months ago |
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<Kevin`> |
I suspect digi-key will order that 2000, or already has |
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<Kevin`> |
that's what they do |
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<rkdavis> |
probably but one can hope |
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<rkdavis> |
i could make a fortune :) |
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<Kevin`> |
of you order all the parts from the link /I/ gave you and make me wait months for more i'll find you and kill you btw |
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<Kevin`> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin`: it's ok i'm brasic so i can't buy anything atm |
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<rkdavis> |
but let me just ring steve, he has alot of room on hios credit card :) |
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<rkdavis> |
actually i didn't think of that, they might have the solution for a cable i need. Adaptaplug type A on one end, 6" of cable and usb male on the other end |
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<Kevin`> |
does the device have the pin available to attach a proper mini-a connector |
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<Kevin`> |
? |
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<rkdavis> |
nope, what you see is what you get, if you look on the wiki you'll see the pinouts for the rear connector. that's basically it with regard to I/O unless you want to start working it over with a soldering iron |
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<Kevin`> |
that requires registration iirc |
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<Kevin`> |
although if you have usb host working, you obviously found a way to make it work anyway without the pin from the cable indicating whether to use host or device mode |
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<rkdavis> |
yup well not -- it's either host mode if you make the mod or client if you don't |
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<rkdavis> |
you'll also need a way to get power to the usb device too, using the zipit's battery will drian it quickly |
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<rkdavis> |
so a powered hub or something is needed |
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<rkdavis> |
Kevin`: yes the wiki requires registration but it's the only way to get the pinouts |
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<Kevin`> |
oh yeah, the battery is 3.7v isn't it? does it have a dc-dc converter for 5v? |
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<rkdavis> |
unless you want to reverse engineer them yourself |
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<Kevin`> |
do you know? does the zipit have a 5v power rail anywhere? |
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<rkdavis> |
not off hand, it obviopusly does because the wall wart is 5v but where to attach to it who knows |
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<Kevin`> |
that would only work on wall power though |
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<rkdavis> |
yup. |
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<rkdavis> |
but as i said using usb on battery would not be good so you'll need either a portable powersupply for usb or be on the mains anyway |
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<rkdavis> |
on the rear connector there is only 3.3v and 1.8v so you'll have to find the 5v somewhere else |
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<Conrad-T-Pino1> |
Good morning. |
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<rkdavis> |
mozzwald: just had a comment posted on my blog. they had a sugegstion, perhaps you shoudl do a quick video to show off the ubuntu rootfs :) |
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<mozzwald> |
rkdavis: hmm... video. |
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<rkdavis> |
mozzwald: it's how hunter became famous :) |
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<Foxx> |
being famous isnt always a good thing |
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<Foxx> |
take my word for it. |
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<rkdavis> |
even a crappy cellphone camera video would do |
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<Foxx> |
if you are going to do a video you might as well do it right |
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<rkdavis> |
Foxx: i will and i know the feeling but then again accordign to the book i was a mysterious and enigmatic figure :) so i'm safe |
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<rkdavis> |
Foxx: yes eventually he should do it right but have you seen the quality of hunters vids? not exactly blockbusters or art house |
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<Foxx> |
with how popular BSoD became I get annoyed by lazy people asking me stupid questions about stupid stuff |
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<Foxx> |
I regret doing my Zipit Z2 preview video |
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<rkdavis> |
ok can't see why i'd want it but got s-lang/slsh pretty much working on the stock zipit :) |
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<Foxx> |
ive had parents ask me if they should get one for their kid, up to morons asking me how to install ubuntu on it |
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<Foxx> |
and people asking me what wifi is |
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<rkdavis> |
think the module loading problem is because i made it static not shared so just a recompile shoudl fix that |
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<rkdavis> |
Foxx: well now you can say yes they can have ubuntu on it :) |
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<Foxx> |
and asking about service fees. you know, all the basic stuff the zipit website says |
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<Foxx> |
ubuntu attracts fanboy jerkoffs that dont have a clue |
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<Foxx> |
I dont publicly endorse it, or android |
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<Foxx> |
for the main reason that the communities that devlop around it have their heads up their ass |
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<mozzwald> |
yeah, I'm not sure I wanna be "famous" |
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<Foxx> |
I dont want to be famous. It just happened. I didnt realize how big of a hit my segments would have been |
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<Foxx> |
granted all my my material is all pretty densely packed tech turoials, mainly electronics and hardware hacking |
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<Foxx> |
as soon as something gets the attention of the "OMFG l33t!!!!!!!" sterotypes ive gotta' back away |
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<mozzwald> |
I'm not sure doing a video of ubuntu on the zipit would be worthwhile. It's pretty much the same as the Aliosa debian image at this point |
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<Foxx> |
people are quick to jump on something because its "cool" or "leet", if published in the wrong way a video will just make things sour |
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<Foxx> |
might be more trouble and annoyance in the end for you |
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<Foxx> |
its why none of my stuff is ever released outside of BSoD |
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<mozzwald> |
Yeah, people may get the wrong idea when I say ubuntu. :) Technically it's ubuntu, but it's prolly not what they're used to |
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<rkdavis> |
i make really good sandwiches even if i do say so myself. -- pepperjack and roasted peppers and olives for 1 and ham, swiss, mayo and beetroot and onion |
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<mozzwald> |
Make one for me :) |
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<rkdavis> |
might get a bit moldy after i put it in the post |
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<mozzwald> |
hehe |
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<rkdavis> |
but you'll never get a bug again with all the penicillian |
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<mozzwald> |
rk: you said yesterday we might be able to get ondemand working. Is that already in the patches available at openzipit? |
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<mozzwald> |
cpu scaling, rather |
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<rkdavis> |
mozzwald: it's in the newer kernels so it mightb e possible to fix or backport |
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<mozzwald> |
that's out of my league I'm afraid. :) |
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<rkdavis> |
the problem i had trying to get it working in stock is injecting some assembler into the kernel, couldn't get it right. in the .30+ kernels it works already just need to compile it into the kernel -- it's suppose to work in .29 but i think it was slightly broken on pxa27x but it might be fixible nowadays |
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<enildeR> |
so one could actually use the latest kernel, or are there problems besides this? |
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<mozzwald> |
apparently there's an issue with the zipit not having a machineid in the bootloader |
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<mozzwald> |
so newer kernels need uboot instead of blob |
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<enildeR> |
yeah. I know of uboot being needed |
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<rkdavis> |
phew managed to find the kid 4 classes he can do for fall, couldn't get the one he needs to get his associates though, he left it too late to register so need to ut a big sign on the wall to remond him for spring |
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<mozzwald> |
started compiling the .29 kernel on the zipit. any guesses on how long it will take? |
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<rkdavis> |
by christmas |
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<rkdavis> |
mozzwald: you have the serial mod don't yu? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
starting the backup to put Ubuntu on my Zipit z2 |
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<Conrad-T-Pino> |
rkdavis: Have time for short chat? |
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<M25> |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
mozzwald: you here? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
trying to install lxde on the mozzwald ubuntu base, am I just stupid? |
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<geordy> |
did anyone try the Ubuntu image yet? |
