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<M25> |
rkdavis: if you're still around, my wireless is listed as v22 too |
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<M25> |
on all things |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<Mcavity> |
morning |
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<M25> |
dTal: you around? |
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<dTal> |
yup |
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<M25> |
want to debug my 2 hour battery life? I discovered that turning on wifi power savings (although it completely disables my wifi access) puts my battery life at over 5.5 hours |
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<M25> |
still lower than expected, but that definitely says that wifi pm is a good thing to aim for |
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<dTal> |
okay, but there's a broader problem there |
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<dTal> |
starters - you using X? |
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<M25> |
nope |
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<M25> |
uninstalled it |
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<dTal> |
and your backlights are definitely *off* when the lid is close |
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<M25> |
yeah, for the 5.5 hour tiem |
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<M25> |
*time |
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<M25> |
both screen and keyboard |
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<M25> |
they're at max when the screen's up, but considering I'm using the zipit mostly outside, that's kind of necessary |
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<dTal> |
well, obviously totally disabling wifi will help life, but it's not helpful |
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<M25> |
yeah |
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<dTal> |
try turning keyboard backlights off |
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<M25> |
already do |
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<M25> |
when screen closes |
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<dTal> |
when it's open too |
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<M25> |
oh, you mean all the time? |
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<M25> |
k |
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<dTal> |
if you're using it outside you hardly need them, and they draw a lot |
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<M25> |
ok |
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<dTal> |
try turning down your screen a bit too |
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<dTal> |
800 perhaps |
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<dTal> |
even so, all lights off and no wifi should get you way more than 5 and a hakf hours |
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<M25> |
yeah |
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<dTal> |
what's load average? Is it writing to SD a lot? |
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<M25> |
load average 0.00 |
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<M25> |
not touching SD really |
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<dTal> |
what userland are you on again? |
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<M25> |
aliosa27 |
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<dTal> |
if you're gonna go debian I'd personally use a stripped rootnexus |
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<M25> |
stripped how? what're you on? |
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<dTal> |
rootnexus, but with now X and few bootscripts |
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<dTal> |
*no |
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<M25> |
you have apt-get? if so, what's your battery life? |
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<dTal> |
um |
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<dTal> |
it's debian based, so yeah it has apt-get |
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<dTal> |
but battery life shouldn't, strictly, be affected by that |
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<dTal> |
but I get about 6 hours of on and off use |
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<M25> |
I know, apt-get is the only feature that's critical for me, everything else is maxing battery life |
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<dTal> |
keeping lid closed when not using, keeping screen brightnesses down |
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<dTal> |
my current screen brightness is 512 |
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<M25> |
dTal: what's your average battery life, with those conditions? |
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<dTal> |
I haven't run loads of tests |
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<dTal> |
this is ballpark |
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<M25> |
that's all I want |
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<dTal> |
well there you are |
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<M25> |
sorry, I didn't see the actual line with the number on it till just now |
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<M25> |
did you have to recompile iwconfig to get wifi power saving? |
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<dTal> |
I don't have wifi power management |
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<M25> |
!! |
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<M25> |
right, I'm going rootNexus in that case... do you do anything different with the autoflasher script when going from aliosa to rootnexus? |
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<dTal> |
It sounds to me like your problem is backlights - running both sets full blast will drain it no end |
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<dTal> |
you don't need to flash anything, you already have the kernel |
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<M25> |
oh! it's the same kernel? |
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<dTal> |
it's all the same kernel unless you uboot it |
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<M25> |
what's ubooting? there's a uboot file in my boot directory on aliosa |
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<dTal> |
it's where you replace the stock bootloader |
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<M25> |
how would I know if I've done that? |
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<dTal> |
you haven't |
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<M25> |
alright then :) |
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<M25> |
so just write the rootnexus image to the flash drive and boot? |
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<dTal> |
yeah, or unpack it |
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<M25> |
I assume the card should be ext2 or ext3? |
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<M25> |
nevermind, read the readme |
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<M25> |
does the guy who develops rootNexus show up here a lot? |
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<dTal> |
sometimes, I guess |
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<dTal> |
I don't really keep track |
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<M25> |
what's the username he uses? |
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<dTal> |
jagsph |
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<M25> |
ok, copied the rootnexus folders to the drive, started booting, and it's just sitting there with the boot screen and very occasional flash drive reads, not appearing to boot |
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<M25> |
dTal: help? :p |
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<M25> |
nevermind |
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<dTal> |
first thing you should do is run rcconf and blitz like 90% of that crap |
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<M25> |
rcconf? |
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<dTal> |
yep |
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<dTal> |
interactive |
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<dTal> |
might have to apt-get it |
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<dTal> |
I have alsa-utils, bootlogs, kbd, module-init-tools, nfs-common (I use nfs), procps, udev, and "font" which just runs setfont |
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<M25> |
what do I do with it? it's running |
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<dTal> |
turn everything off you can spare |
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<dTal> |
speeds boot time, saves ram |
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<M25> |
they all look kind of important |
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<dTal> |
you can ditch cron, for instance |
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<M25> |
cron's not on there |
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<dTal> |
well, you can safely get rid of everything not on my list because my zipit still runs |
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<M25> |
do I need bootlogd? |
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<dTal> |
and now is the time to do it because you can experiment freely because you haven't invested in that image |
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<M25> |
good point |
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<dTal> |
I have bootlogs, but I doubt it's strictly neccesary |
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<M25> |
not bootlogs |
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<M25> |
bootlogd |
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<M25> |
separate entries |
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<dTal> |
well, that's very strange because that's not on my list |
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<M25> |
cron's not on mine |
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<dTal> |
except the difference is I've installed a bunch of things, that may have dragged other things in |
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<dTal> |
whereas you ought to be 'clean' |
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<M25> |
all the items have stars next to them, I can remove the mountnfs ones if I'm not using nfs, what's 'single' and 'procps'? |
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<dTal> |
procps I haven't disabled, 'single' is probably only executed for single user mode |
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<M25> |
I've learned not to touch stuff that I'm not 100% sure about what it does |
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<dTal> |
well, your image sounds markedly different for some reason |
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<dTal> |
but it's worth it to experiment |
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<dTal> |
my zipit boots in 40 seconds |
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<M25> |
dunno, I just downloaded http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/ unzipped and copied into an ext3 partition on the card |
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<dTal> |
mine might be PRE1 |
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<dTal> |
(also, there seems to be a bug that screws stuff up if the zipit is plugged in while booting. workaround: boot off battery) |
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<M25> |
mine boots in under 45 seconds |
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<M25> |
without disabling any of those services |
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<M25> |
do I need to copy over the wireless firmware files for the wifi to work on rootnexus? |
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<dTal> |
I think rootnexus comes with some |
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<M25> |
it looks like it |
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<M25> |
I'll check in a bit |
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<Lydia`> |
M25: I didn't need to copy the wifi firmware back for rootnexus |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: yeah, I checked, works fine |
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<M25> |
dTal: I have 3 udevd's running |
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<M25> |
what gives? |
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<M25> |
also, it can't connect to emdebian.org, so it can't get some packages, like vim, which is kinda important |
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<M25> |
and cmus |
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<M25> |
nevermind, emdebian is down |
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<M25> |
great |
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<dTal> |
you don't want the emdebian packages anyway |
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<dTal> |
do you not have debian unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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<Lydia`> |
M25: cool! |
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<adnyxo> |
well im done with finals |
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<adnyxo> |
time to restart my tinkering |
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<packets> |
Grats |
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<adnyxo> |
yea, passed my first year in high school |
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<M25> |
adnyxo: pffft, and I thought I was young |
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<adnyxo> |
? |
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<M25> |
I'm in finals for junior year of college |
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<adnyxo> |
ah |
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<adnyxo> |
hows that going |
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<M25> |
:p you think you tinker now... write a compiler and then we'll talk |
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<M25> |
hehehe |
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<adnyxo> |
hey, im working on it |
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<M25> |
you'll get there |
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<adnyxo> |
im getting a nokia n810 |
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<adnyxo> |
i may try to write an app for it |
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<M25> |
don't bother, nokia's a dying platform |
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<adnyxo> |
or get ffmpeg working |
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<M25> |
now that'd be worth it |
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<adnyxo> |
not for other people, for me |
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<M25> |
:p you have a zipit? |
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<adnyxo> |
did |
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<adnyxo> |
killed it |
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<adnyxo> |
looking to get a used one |
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<M25> |
*facepalm* bricked? |
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<adnyxo> |
no |
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<adnyxo> |
tore the display ribbon cable |
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<adnyxo> |
while taking it apart |
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<M25> |
ahhh, yeah, did that to my sister's furby back in the day |
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<M25> |
she never forgave me |
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<adnyxo> |
i take all my crap apart |
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<adnyxo> |
so i end up screwing thing up |
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<adnyxo> |
but im getting better and better |
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<adnyxo> |
at least now i will know better what to do with my slightly more pricey gadgets] |
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<M25> |
adnyxo: yeah, your best bet might be to take apart stuff that's either already broken or doesn't have value anymore |
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<adnyxo> |
well ive gotten pretty good |
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<adnyxo> |
i wish to dissassemble an iphone, but they are freaking expensive |
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<adnyxo> |
perhaps i should attempt to obtain an iphone 4 prototype at a bar :P |
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<M25> |
:p iphones are no fun, it's all solid state under aluminum foil |
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<M25> |
and too much tape |
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<M25> |
now an old TV |
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<M25> |
THAT's a good teardown |
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<adnyxo> |
ooh ive got a broken tv |
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<M25> |
you ever touch the wrong end of a flyback transformer? |
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* |
adnyxo adds that to my todo list |
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<adnyxo> |
no, enlighten me as to what happens |
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<M25> |
it spot-welds your thumb is what happens |
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<adnyxo> |
lol |
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<adnyxo> |
you speak from experience ? |
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<adnyxo> |
wtf compiz just died on me |
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<M25> |
yeah, ok, your parents'll be pissed if you take apart the TV and get yourself shocked, look for a thick wire going to the outside of the main glass tube |
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<M25> |
it'll end in a suction cup |
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<M25> |
DO NOT TOUCH THE LITTLE METAL THINGY INSIDE THAT |
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<adnyxo> |
okay will do |
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<adnyxo> |
i heard that you shouldnt disassemble a monitor |
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<adnyxo> |
cause theres a device in there that holds enough charge to kill you instantly |
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<smartasstronaut> |
you just need a large screw driver to discharge it |
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<M25> |
that'd be the flyback transformer... wait, LCD or CRT? |
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<M25> |
smartasstronaut is right |
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<adnyxo> |
lcd i believe |
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<Mcavity> |
shakes head |
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<Mcavity> |
kids |
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<Mcavity> |
crts have flyback |
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<adnyxo> |
lol |
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<adnyxo> |
isnt there something in a lcd as well ? |
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<M25> |
adnyxo: I mean up until recently they all had flourescent bulbs in them, which have a ballast with technically dangerous voltage |
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<M25> |
but it's usually sealed |
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<M25> |
and frankly, unless you're taking apart a huge one, the bulbs won't be that big anyway |
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<Mcavity> |
heh.. |
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<adnyxo> |
man my n810 needs to hurry up |
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<adnyxo> |
im not a patient person |
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<mozz-zipit> |
adnyxo: you got a photo of that torn ribbon? |
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<adnyxo> |
not right now |
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<adnyxo> |
whydo ya ask? |
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<mozz-zipit> |
just curious how bad it was. |
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<mozz-zipit> |
how many wires are broken? |
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* |
M25 needs dTal to get back here and tell me why none of my package repos on rootNexus work |
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<mozz-zipit> |
which repos do you have enabled? |
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<M25> |
http://http.u... wait a second |
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<M25> |
WHAT THE FUCKING TYPOS IS THIS |
| [21:42:55] |
<M25> |
one moment please |
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<adnyxo> |
mozz-zipit, too many |
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<M25> |
mozz-zipit: I had debian unstable and emdebian enabled, one of which could not be resolved, the other would always timeout |
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<M25> |
emdebian.orga appears to be down |
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<M25> |
mozz-zipit: you run root nexus? |
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<Mcavity> |
roooot nexus.. not as good as nexus six.. but less likely to kill you. |
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<M25> |
ok... what repos do you have enabled? |
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<mozz-zipit> |
M25: i'm running rootnexus with "http://www.emdebian.org/grip sid main" and "http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable" |
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<M25> |
whcih is exactly what I had enabled |
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<M25> |
do an apt-get update |
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<M25> |
and tell me if you download anything |
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<mozz-zipit> |
just finished one. worx |
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<M25> |
I enabled all the lines that weren't emdebia |
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<M25> |
and it appears to be working now |
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<M25> |
but emdebian is down |
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<mozz-zipit> |
hmm.. emdebian repo downloaded fine for me |
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<M25> |
what country are you in? |
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<mozz-zipit> |
us |
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<M25> |
oh! it works now |
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<M25> |
wtf |
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<M25> |
it was down earlier |
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<M25> |
also, do you use a swap file? |
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<mozz-zipit> |
i have a swap partition setup |
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<M25> |
could I see your /etc/fstab? editing mine appears to do nothing |
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<mozz-zipit> |
yeah, just a sec |
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<M25> |
thanks, all I want is to add a stupid swap file, and it's giving me hell |
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<mozz-zipit> |
it's the stock rootnexus one btw |
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<mozz-zipit> |
no changes |
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<M25> |
yeah, mine appears to have been mysteriously deleted and recreated |
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<mozzwald2> |
M25: www.mozzwald.com/zipit/fstab.zipit |
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<M25> |
k, thank you |
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<M25> |
wtf |
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<M25> |
none of the repos work |
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<M25> |
still |
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<M25> |
there we go, finally |
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<M25_> |
anyone know why alsa does not appear to be loaded as a module on rootnexus? |
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<M25_> |
rkdavis: under what conditions will /etc/fstab be ignored? |
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