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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<vodnik_desk> |
hey |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: http://carlmaxim.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/nick-clegg-delighted-by-new-fagging-portfolio/ |
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<Mcavity> |
hi guys hows it going? |
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<rkdavis> |
horrible -- i have to go out to pay the electricity bill -- no sense of humour these utilities -- they keep insisting on payment and not with monopoly money |
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<Mcavity> |
aww |
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<Mcavity> |
well might find this intresting.. |
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<Mcavity> |
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=RED-OE-A733-R&cpc=SCH |
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<rkdavis> |
cute, pity it is wince but have to do some research about linux loading |
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<rkdavis> |
purtee thogh |
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<rkdavis> |
refurbished though |
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<Mcavity> |
cheap! |
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<rkdavis> |
well reletivly |
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<Mcavity> |
then have 3 colors lol. but it realy should not be that much diffrent at the core.. just.. more memory bigger screen and maaaaybe better wireless? |
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<rkdavis> |
specs are reasonable though if you canget linux on it |
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<rkdavis> |
and it is pretty :) all red and everything |
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<Mcavity> |
theres a blue one and a silver one too |
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<rkdavis> |
looks like it's rom based like the old pda's from the early 00's |
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<rkdavis> |
so linux would be a PITA |
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<Mcavity> |
heh maybe. but replace wince with somethign real... |
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<Mcavity> |
theres gota be a way |
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<Mcavity> |
has a usb port too |
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<rkdavis> |
looks like wince is in rom so be hard to replace, have to use the loader from er i can't remember where and that's not easy |
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<rkdavis> |
not even sure if the wince linux loader was ever ported from mips to arm either |
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<Mcavity> |
sigh but it would be cool Built-in digital media card reader so that takes care of storage.. |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
well storage is never a problem these days but if it is a rom based wince and it seems to be as it says no installable applications you'd have to see what type of rom it is |
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<rkdavis> |
some roms aren't |
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<rkdavis> |
wicknix or aliosa27 would probably know more about linux on it |
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<rkdavis> |
not the exact device but similar ones that might be rom based rather than NAND based for the os |
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<Mcavity> |
ok |
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<Mcavity> |
well if i see him ill try and ask lol |
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<LT[LC]> |
if i had $100 to drop, i'd get it and piece it apart |
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<LT[LC]> |
:P |
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<Mcavity> |
heheh |
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<LT[LC]> |
yay education |
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<Mcavity> |
well ill see if i can find anything on it.. cuz its got potential. |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: somebody needs to do a sketch where David Cameron has a Nick Clegg hand puppet |
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<dTal> |
and he asks it questions and it whispers into his ear a la Sooty |
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<dTal> |
"What's that Nick? You don't want proportional representation after all? Dear me!" |
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<rkdavis> |
yup we need spitting image |
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<Mcavity> |
heh maybe just wire a zipit into the screen and kb lol |
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<Mcavity> |
looks like no one has realy worked on hacking it. |
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<dTal> |
That thing looks a lot like the Maplin netbook |
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<Mcavity> |
theres suposedly a linux version someplace.. |
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<dTal> |
Well, the Maplin one runs Linux |
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<dTal> |
In fact, looking at the raw specs, I'm having a hard time finding anything to distinguish them |
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<Mcavity> |
well othere than one comes with win ce |
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<Mcavity> |
i have the feeling the way to upgrade the boot drive will be.. a pain. |
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<adnyxo> |
hey, anyone know where i can get a male mini sd to female regular sd adapter? |
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<enildeR> |
yeah. best buy has them. |
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<enildeR> |
you can find them just about anywhere they sell cellphones and cameras. |
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<adnyxo> |
mini sd to full sd? |
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<enildeR> |
http://cellularfactory.com/det.jsp?d=29480&c=113202&cpi=53&cpmi=3881 |
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<rkdavis> |
adnyxo: how desperate are you? i have 8 atm |
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<enildeR> |
http://tinyurl.com/38akjso |
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<rkdavis> |
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDADP-SDM-Minisd-Adapter-Jewe/dp/B000BUEG4U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273700051&sr=1-3 |
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<M25> |
ok, on aliosa debian, anyone know if you can set up wifi power management? and if so, how? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: nope canna be done atm |
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<rkdavis> |
if you want decent battery life you have to use my stuff :) |
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<rkdavis> |
teach you to use debian |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: I get 2 hours... it sucks |
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<M25> |
what power saving stuff do you do? |
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<M25> |
I turn off the LED's when the lid closes |
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<M25> |
both keyboard and screen |
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<rkdavis> |
and the led's on the front |
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<rkdavis> |
well i turn off one |
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<rkdavis> |
and i use the wifi power management |
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<rkdavis> |
that's the big one but aliosa27 kernel and debian rootfs can't support that because well debian sucks :) |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: I tried enabling wifi power management, and it either says I can't apply the settings, or I turn power management on and the card appears to hang |
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<rkdavis> |
i went from 6 hours to 14 with the wifi one |
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<M25> |
yeah, I know that's what's taking the power |
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<M25> |
I can optionally just turn the card off when I'm not using it, but I can't seem to turn it on again without rebooting |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: yes that's what happens in debian because something is scfrewed with either the kernel or the rootfs and as i don't have a debian based zipit i can't see why yet |
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<M25_> |
hehe, irssi on zipit |
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<rkdavis> |
M25you could turn it off and remove the modules |
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<enildeR> |
don't run as root! |
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<enildeR> |
lol j/k |
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<rkdavis> |
and then reload the modules and firmware and that woud work without rebooting |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: yeah, but that means I have to keep turning wifi on and off |
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<rkdavis> |
enildeR: that might be it actually, iz2s runs as root because why not |
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<rkdavis> |
the debian ones are all using crappy user stuff |
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<M25> |
I run as root |
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<rkdavis> |
so try sudo'ing to do the wifi thing |
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<enildeR> |
yeah. most likely permission issues. |
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<M25> |
I'll make a user account once I get all the configuration stuff figured out |
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<enildeR> |
I have the debian rootfs running on mine, but I haven't touched it since like Nov. |
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<M25> |
however, the wireless drivers that debian uses are the ones that come with the device, they get copied off and back on during install, using the autoflasher |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: well as i said the iwconfig thing seems to cause problems on the debian based rootfs, you could try removing the modules and reloading but you'd also need to get your hands dirty in gpio's too |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: no they are the firmware that comes with the device |
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<rkdavis> |
not the drivers or wirelessextensions or wirelesstools |
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<M25> |
I can do modprobe and rmmod as needed, but that still leaves me with no wifi if I want extended power |
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<rkdavis> |
and this is a wirelessextensions thing |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<enildeR> |
when I have time, I actually want to do a custom rootfs installed in the on-board memory. you have a base install with minimal functionality without SD inserted, but if SD happens to be in, do a change root and run from it. I mainly want to get everything running with python and a widget set. haven't decided if I want to go Qt or wx. |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: you being the fancy programmer with an inside connection to the zipit company, is there a way you could figure out those wireless extensions for the iwconfig settings? |
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<rkdavis> |
m25: it's a debian thing |
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<enildeR> |
more or less to duplicate the original rootfs that shipped with the device, but have the ability to futz in the linux environment with additional commands on the SD |
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<rkdavis> |
it's fine in oe/br based rootfs and fine in stock |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: is there any way I could get the iwconfig from an oe based rootfs? |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: I really don't want to live without apt-get |
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<rkdavis> |
m25: it won;t run, it segfaulrs, that's why i had to get dtal to recompile my source |
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<M25> |
ok... could dTal recompile it for debian? |
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<M25> |
or could I? |
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<rkdavis> |
because binaeries from scratchbox/buildroot/oe segfault in debain |
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<enildeR> |
did you try debugging it or running strace on it do figure out why the segfault occurs? |
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<rkdavis> |
enildeR: no need i know why |
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<enildeR> |
oic |
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<enildeR> |
libraries or kernel based problem? |
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<rkdavis> |
enildeR: it's because debian sucks |
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<enildeR> |
lol |
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<rkdavis> |
enildeR: seriously it's because of the arm arch version and the ABI |
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<enildeR> |
ahh |
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<rkdavis> |
(and the libc version plus other libs) |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: so there's no way to get it working on debian? |
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<rkdavis> |
not unless you fix debian |
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<enildeR> |
heh |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: even if you recompiled it like dTal did? |
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<rkdavis> |
m25: possible but too much work for very littel ROI |
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<M25> |
ROI? |
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<rkdavis> |
m25: i don't have a debian system or the tools to do it and it would need a complete new dev environment plus redoing all my libs, and i just don't have the time for the foreseeable future |
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<rkdavis> |
on a deadline atm |
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<M25> |
gotcha |
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<rkdavis> |
m25: ROi == return on investment |
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<M25> |
could I just run your code through gcc on the zipit itself? |
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<M25> |
or does it use too many libraries? |
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<rkdavis> |
yes they compile fine straight from source i just don't have anything that can do it |
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<rkdavis> |
and you'd need to grab wirelesstools |
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<rkdavis> |
mompls wife coming in |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: so essentially I'd be recompiling iwconfig? |
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<rkdavis> |
yup and possibly wireless extensions |
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<rkdavis> |
but then thats a kernel rebuild |
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<M25> |
....oh |
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<M25> |
wait, are the wireless extensions a kernel module or integrated into the main linux kernel itself? |
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<rkdavis> |
in the kernel i think |
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<rkdavis> |
brb |
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<M25> |
well crap, I can't do a kernel rebuild, not without a cross-compiler |
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<dTal> |
yo |
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<dTal> |
even without the wifi thing, 2 hours is abnormal |
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<M25> |
dTal: I need to eat, will you be around in a half hour or so to debug such with me? |
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<enildeR> |
yeah, compiling a kernel on the zipit would probably take two weeks lol |
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<dTal> |
sure |
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<M25> |
cool |
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<M25> |
be back in a while |
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<dTal> |
debian zipit, backlights off, low load, should last roughly 6 hours |
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<dTal> |
I carry mine around the house in my back pocket, give it a 10 min topup at teatime: lasts till bedtime |
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<enildeR> |
heh |
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<enildeR> |
what kind of tea do you drink? |
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<dTal> |
it's not a permissions thing, or a firmware thing - reckon it's the kernel driver itself |
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<dTal> |
... |
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<dTal> |
the brown kind? |
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<enildeR> |
lol |
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<enildeR> |
http://www.teavana.com/The-Teas/Mate-Teas/My-Morning-Mate-Tea.axd |
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<enildeR> |
My favorite tea. |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: do a iwconfig -version and see what wirelessextensions it says |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: well, I get, among other things: Kernel Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v22 |
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<zdanee> |
re all! |
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<rkdavis> |
ok so a wirelesstools recompile might do it |
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<zdanee> |
Does anybody know where to find an armel build of dillo 2.2? I find 0.8 way faster than links2 -g, and since v2.2 does support css and still faster than midori, Id call it an ideal solution. Being a zipit user only for 6 days I dont yet have a crosscompile environtement or experience and since dillo is staticly linked I touths someone who uses it could just give me a binary (even berret a deb) |
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<zdanee> |
-berret +better |
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<zdanee> |
So I take it nobody uses the zipit as a browser? Or is it everybody runs links2? |
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<M25_> |
dTal: you around to debug my 2 hour bat life? |
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<M25Zipit> |
nevermind, game came up, be on later |
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<zdanee> |
Well, goodnight guys, if someone knows the answer, ill read irc logs tomorrow, so dont be shy! :) |
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