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<M25> |
uh oh |
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<M25> |
No space left on device |
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<M25> |
should I be writing the 1GB image instead of the 2GB image? as it's a 2GB card? |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: ^ |
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<M25> |
that'd be a yes |
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<M25> |
as it failed |
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<M25> |
ALSKDJFALSKDJFALSKDJFALSKfj |
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<M25> |
anyway, now onto the 1GB image |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, oh dear |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, I use a 2gb image on a 2gb card for that |
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<Lydia`> |
but it should not matter |
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<Lydia`> |
I ran into that problem early on too |
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<Lydia`> |
Kernel not being overwriten |
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<Lydia`> |
back to the stock kernel |
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<Lydia`> |
etc |
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<M25> |
anyway, got the 1GB image to work |
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<M25> |
and besides |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: as you are on linux what I would do is mount the image and copy the files from there -- do it as sudo root and the permissions shoudl be fine |
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<M25> |
I can always expand the partition, right? |
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<rkdavis> |
the onyl different between the images is the size fof the partition |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: yeah, but you need a fat32 partition it seems. once I do the firmware file copy, can I remove it? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: or add another partition if you wanted |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: THEN WHAT THE FUCK DID I WAIT FOR 20 MINUTES TO WRITE A BIGGER IMAGE FOR IF THERE'S NO EXTRA FILES IN IT |
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<M25> |
srry |
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<rkdavis> |
well if you are on linux you can write to ext2/3 so nope the fat partition isn't needed |
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<M25> |
</rant> |
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<M25> |
...... |
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<rkdavis> |
and the fat partititon is in the wrong place anyway |
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* |
M25 headdesk again |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, oh an image file, I ended up just copying the autoflasher files over to a 2GB FAT16 partition and that worked, No need for an image file |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: I already did the autoflasher |
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<M25> |
I'm onto the actual disk image |
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<M25> |
nevermind |
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<M25> |
it should work now |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, yeah I know, just to clearify things |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: windows doesn't like a fat partititon that isn't partition 1 and the images seem to all have it as partititon 3 so you cna't write to it from windows anyway so might as well just do the fw from linux too |
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<Lydia`> |
I do think I am going to resize this swap partition, nothing touches much of it |
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<Lydia`> |
512 is massive overkill for the Z2 |
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<M25> |
it appears to be working |
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<Lydia`> |
maybe 96mb would be okay for swap |
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<Lydia`> |
ahem that's 92mb |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, Cool! |
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<M25> |
IT WORKS!!!! :D |
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<M25> |
14MB ram usage, and I can drop that once I get cranking on removing extra kernel modules |
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<none4now> |
"this is a unix system, i know this!" |
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<M25> |
SICK |
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<Lydia`> |
yay! congrats |
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<M25> |
....wait |
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<Lydia`> |
do check to make sure the swap is used |
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<M25> |
what movie is that from |
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<M25> |
I know that phrase |
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<M25> |
it's said by a kid |
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<none4now> |
female even |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: yeah, 0 swap used, 127MB avail... JURRASZSIC PARK |
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<Lydia`> |
good good |
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<Lydia`> |
In my case the device name was changed somehow |
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<none4now> |
yesm |
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<Lydia`> |
oh yeah? I have to watch that movie |
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<Lydia`> |
I haven't watched it though |
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<none4now> |
haha |
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<none4now> |
uhm |
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<none4now> |
how? |
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<Lydia`> |
How what? |
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<none4now> |
how did u not see that movie |
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<Lydia`> |
I have seen parts of it |
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<Lydia`> |
wasn't impressed by the concept |
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<Lydia`> |
so i passed on it |
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<none4now> |
nobody was |
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<Lydia`> |
I'll do that, skip around in a movie when I'm bored |
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<Lydia`> |
I did like the one guy |
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<none4now> |
wait its from 1993 i forget not everyone is old |
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<Lydia`> |
Jeff Goldblum |
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<none4now> |
how can that be 20 years ago |
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<Lydia`> |
none4now, I was 18 in 1993 hon |
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<Lydia`> |
I'm 35 now |
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<none4now> |
oh then u have no excuses ;) |
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<Lydia`> |
Then again, I watch very little TV anymore |
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<none4now> |
amen to that |
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<Lydia`> |
Sport is about the only reason I turn it on anymore |
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<M25> |
how does one shut down the system in debian |
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<Lydia`> |
halt |
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<Lydia`> |
as root |
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<M25> |
reboot seems to work, but it never actually turns off |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
there it goes |
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<M25> |
that took a while |
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<Lydia`> |
you can also press the power button in Root Nexus |
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<Lydia`> |
it will prompt you to turn it off |
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<none4now> |
shutdown now is probably more proper |
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<Lydia`> |
Than halt? |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: do you have power saving (led's on and off, etc) in root nexus? |
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<none4now> |
i'm just guessing tho.. |
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<Lydia`> |
none4now, they will both work okay |
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<none4now> |
yeh |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, yes it seems to be that wya |
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<Lydia`> |
The Keyboard LEDS are off now |
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<Lydia`> |
but then again, I killed X |
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<Lydia`> |
and the display is useless |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: I'm going to uninstall X |
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<M25> |
I was never planning on using it anyway |
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<Lydia`> |
I'm just doing remote ssh now to install pacakges |
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<Lydia`> |
i didn't need it |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, good idea |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, i like X for some things |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: would your power management programs work on my aliosa debian image? |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, I don't know I didn't install them myself |
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<Lydia`> |
they were in the distro already |
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<M25> |
ok |
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<M25> |
going to reboot and check wireless, need to have my zipit borrow my laptop's MAC to work |
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<marex> |
--------------------- SUMMARY ---------------------------- |
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<marex> |
Boards compiled: 19 |
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<marex> |
Boards with warnings or errors: 19 ( cerf250 colibri_pxa270 cradle csb226 delta innokom lubbock pleb2 polaris pxa255_idp trizepsiv vpac270_nor vpac270_onenand wepep250 xaeniax xm250 xsengine zipitz2 zylonite ) |
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<marex> |
---------------------------------------------------------- |
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<marex> |
marex@rin:~/u-boot-pxa$ cat LOG/*.ERR | grep "[Ee]rror" |
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<M25> |
silly school blocking unknown MAC addresses :p |
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<marex> |
devel seems stable, time to roll out z2 uboot |
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<M25> |
thanks a ton guys, I'll be back |
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<marex> |
(warnings are there because Wolfgang screwed something ... again) |
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<none4now> |
marex: rock and roll |
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<marex> |
none4now, wanna beta-test ? |
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<none4now> |
marex: my z2 is at the post office waiting for me tomorrow morning |
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<none4now> |
marex: guessing its off to jtag if that ever fails? |
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<marex> |
yes |
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<none4now> |
fun ;) |
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<marex> |
reflashing |
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<marex> |
boots |
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<none4now> |
that's a good thing |
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<none4now> |
yer brave heh |
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<marex> |
none4now, why ? |
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<none4now> |
*Shrug*, nature of *beta* |
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<marex> |
I have JTAG attached permanently |
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<none4now> |
u probably have the means to fix things if they go wrong.. |
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<none4now> |
yeh ok cool |
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<marex> |
none4now, I maintain u-boot-pxa ;-) |
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<none4now> |
yeh you've told me before, sorry |
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<marex> |
none4now, and various pxa devices there and in mainline linux |
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<marex> |
so ... yeah, I have hardware to fix those |
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<none4now> |
marex: so the jtag pads are probably on the (new) board like http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=5 suggests? |
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<marex> |
new board ? |
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<none4now> |
yea apparently small diff in productions.. |
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<none4now> |
corrections etc |
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<none4now> |
anyway seems doable.. |
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<marex> |
ah ... diffs in production are nothing you should care about |
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<none4now> |
sounds like u won't even need much testing if you're booting already |
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<marex> |
none4now, the more testers, the less bugs |
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<none4now> |
hard to argue that ;) |
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<Lydia`> |
294 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded. - Need to get 104MB of archives. |
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<Lydia`> |
This will take a while |
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* |
Lydia` grins |
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<none4now> |
zipit is here, sd adapter is not |
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<none4now> |
how is that for a kick in the pants |
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<none4now> |
oh no i don't think it works |
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<none4now> |
plugged in.. no turny on |
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<none4now> |
no charge light.. uhg |
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<none4now> |
power adapter doesn't actually put out power, isn't that nice |
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<M25> |
hey, I'm running aliosa27's debian userland, and can't seem to connect to a WPA secured network |
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<none4now> |
oh yea well i just got a new zipit and the power adapter doesn't work |
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<M25> |
none4now: wonderful :p |
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<none4now> |
i've seen wpa fixes in my travels, google.. |
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<none4now> |
do u happen to have a voltage meter by chance? |
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<none4now> |
wondering if u can convfirm the voltage out of the adapter |
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<M25> |
it's listed as 5v, 1.9A on the adapter |
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<M25> |
check against that |
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<none4now> |
yeh |
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<none4now> |
not getting anything, and assuming that if i stick a wire inside the jack it's making a connection |
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<none4now> |
also doesn't light up the zipit so.. |
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<dTal> |
Okay, ditching udev is definitely possible. |
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<dTal> |
The unbelievable black majick udev uses under the hood for loading the wifi firmware... |
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<dTal> |
...consists of a single line of bash: cat "$DIR/$FIRMWARE" > /sys/$DEVPATH/data |
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<M25> |
dTal: that's great news, just got my wifi working |
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<M25> |
does udev create the /sys filesystem? |
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<dTal> |
it may or it may not, but it's nothing that can't be done with static scripts |
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<M25> |
awesome |
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<none4now> |
dtal: got a voltage meter by chance? |
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<dTal> |
none4now: sure, why? |
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<none4now> |
dtal: can u verify that if u stick a wire in the end of the z2 dc adapter it makes a connection so u can measure? pretty sure i got a dead DC adapter |
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<M25> |
dTal: on your aliosa27 debian, how long does an apt-get take? |
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<M25> |
for installing, say, man |
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<M25> |
nevermind |
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<dTal> |
none4now: you mean connect the 'tip' to the 'ring'? I don't need to do that, there will definitely be potential difference there |
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<none4now> |
dtal: yeh.. you would guess too if u put a wire in the end that would be enough.. |
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<none4now> |
to make connection.. |
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<none4now> |
(because my volt meter probe won't fit ;) |
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<dTal> |
however, for the hell of it, I can verify 5 volts |
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<none4now> |
looks like I'll be building a frankenstein adapter |
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<none4now> |
dtal: thanks, then I know for sure I'm making connection.. |
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<M25> |
dTal: do you have manpages working in your debian? |
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<dTal> |
my connector is a little weird, it melted a bit and the plastic ring is missing |
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<none4now> |
nice |
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<dTal> |
M25: yes |
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<M25> |
how? |
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<dTal> |
obviously only with packages installed from proper repositories |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
gotcha |
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<M25> |
thanks, was bugging me like hell for a while |
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<M25> |
I finally got wifi working |
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<dTal> |
If a package doesn't have a manpage, it's likely an emdebian package |
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<M25> |
so yeah, I can run apt-get without touching swap |
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<M25> |
:D |
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<dTal> |
or a really shitty package maintained by some ass who's never heard of documentation :lp |
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<M25> |
huh, I did an apt-get install less from aliosa's debian image, and it doesn't appear to have a man page |
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<dTal> |
M25: mine doesn't either, but it's emdebian |
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<dTal> |
remember apt prefers emdebian packages |
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<dTal> |
try less --help |
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<M25> |
gotcha. I don't really need man pages since I've got my laptop and a good memory |
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<dTal> |
trouble with debian is that by the time I finish optimizing it all, it won't really be debian anymore |
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<M25> |
dTal: will it apt-get? |
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<dTal> |
well, yeah |
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<M25> |
then it's debian |
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<dTal> |
but I usually end up building my own packages anyway, to customize them |
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<M25> |
dTal: how tough is it to get a cross-compiler going for debian on zipit? |
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<dTal> |
dunno, never done it :) |
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<M25> |
you compile on the zipit itself? |
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<dTal> |
uh huh |
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<M25> |
dTal: I thought that'd take tons of swap |
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<dTal> |
depends heavily on the package |
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<dTal> |
C programs are generally ok, C++ can be very painful |
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<none4now> |
aight kids i gotta go to work |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
dTal: have you heard of Pianobar? |
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<dTal> |
lots of little source files = good, a few big source files = bad |
| [12:44:08] |
<dTal> |
no |
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* |
dTal googles |
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<M25> |
you know pandora.com? |
| [12:44:21] |
<dTal> |
I've heard the url |
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<M25> |
check it out |
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<M25> |
pianobar is command-line pandora |
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<dTal> |
couldn't get pandora in the UK last I checked |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
didn't know you were from there |
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<none4now> |
dtal: taking off but please verifiy for me if thi inside or outside of the connector is +/- etc... just dump in chat I'll see it later.. thanks |
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<dTal> |
tip=+ |
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<M25> |
dTal: shit, is there any way to tell how much of the battery you've used? |
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<M25> |
I think mine only lasted like 2 hours |
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<dTal> |
it's written on the adapter too |
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<dTal> |
M25: various unreliable methods |
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<dTal> |
but you need some power management |
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<M25> |
dTal: like what? |
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<M25> |
I appear to have it in /sys |
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<M25> |
looking for battery info now |
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<dTal> |
there's a program called 'battlevel' which gives wildly varying but ballpark results |
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<dTal> |
cat /proc/apm on the other hand gives consistant, wrong results |
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<M25> |
.... is there a way to tell when I'm at 10%? |
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<dTal> |
I wouldn't attempt such precision |
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<M25> |
how is /proc/apm wrong? |
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<M25> |
it seems to be right on for me |
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<dTal> |
dies at roughly 35 |
| [12:51:29] |
<M25> |
huh |
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<M25> |
I can work with that |
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<dTal> |
doesn't go up to 100 either |
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<M25> |
again, I can work with that |
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<dTal> |
but you shouldn't be dying after 2 hours |
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<M25> |
all I need to know is consistant, accurate max and min values, and the current value between them |
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<M25> |
yeah, it apparently died at 50%, I don't think it was the battery though |
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<M25> |
it's a lithium-ion, right? |
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<dTal> |
M25: I can't vouch for the consistancy or accuracy of /proc/apm either |
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<dTal> |
yes |
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<M25> |
looks good from here, number slowly climbing |
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<dTal> |
it's only consistant in the sense that two values taken consecutively are generally close to each other |
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<M25> |
also, the power management script from root nexus relies on it |
| [12:53:57] |
<M25> |
and that thing works great on mine, albeit desperately in need of tweaking to my own personal settings |
| [12:54:03] |
<M25> |
but it does change the LED brightnesses |
| [12:54:08] |
<M25> |
both keyboard and screen |
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<dTal> |
what are your own personal settings? |
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<M25> |
I haven't applied them, but I'm going to make the power daemon silent, have it power all LED's off when I close the lid, on when it's open, at half-brightness on battery and full on AC |
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<dTal> |
M25: not to toot my own horn, but I made a C app that does that |
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<dTal> |
bit lighter than bash |
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<M25> |
dTal: that's a fantastic idea |
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<M25> |
dTal: I'm about to finish my junior year as a CS major |
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<M25> |
so not to toot MY own horn, but I wrote a compiler and a shell this semester |
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<dTal> |
neat |
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<dTal> |
here: http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/backlight-daemon-Z2.tar.gz |
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<M25> |
I was debating using the shell on the z2, but realized it doesn't run in raw, so no tab completion |
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<M25> |
if you have a script that can take 1 or 2 arguments, and you only pass it one, what does the $2 (second argument) equal? ""? |
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<M25> |
my archive manager won't open that file for some reason |
| [13:09:50] |
<M25> |
says it's corrupt |
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<dTal> |
huh |
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<dTal> |
try downloading it again |
| [13:13:06] |
<dTal> |
md5 should be 3517ad45314a0ead737fc3e2fcaed401 |
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<M25> |
same error |
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<M25> |
same md5 |
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<M25> |
3517ad45314a0ead737fc3e2fcaed401 |
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<dTal> |
use gzip and tar |
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<M25> |
working on another thing right now, I'll get to it in a bit |
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<M25> |
ha, wrote a dead simple connect script for aliosa, testing now, should work with both encrypted and nonencrypted networks |
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<M25> |
that was entirely too hard to find documentation on |
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<M25> |
where should I put a script that I want to run once as root at boot time, but never again? |
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<M25> |
/etc/init.d ? |
| [13:42:33] |
<M25> |
else |
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<M25> |
echo "password not specified" |
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<M25> |
iwconfig eth1 essid "$1" |
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<M25> |
sorry, wrong window |
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<mozzwald> |
M25: are you running X? |
| [13:46:14] |
<M25> |
no |
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<M25> |
I'm going to uninstall it as soon as I can find the requisite packages |
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<mozzwald> |
have you checked out rkdavis' wifi script? http://russelldavis.org/2010/04/easy-wifi-configurator-for-debian-script/ |
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<M25> |
mozzwald: yep, doesn't work |
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<M25> |
requires gawk, even when replaced with awk it still requires a dialog utility that aliosa27's image doesn't have |
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<mozzwald> |
oh. dialog or gawk isn't in the debian repo? |
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<M25> |
not aliosa's |
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<M25> |
maybe root nexus |
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<mozzwald> |
you could try installing the deb directly, if you can find it |
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<M25> |
or I could write a 10 line script that works off the bat to connect you to a secure wifi network |
| [13:50:38] |
<mozzwald> |
true |
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<M25> |
not to be cocky, I'm just annoyed that it took me half an hour of googling to find the one site (the last link on google, the last link on that page) that had a tutorial of how to actually connect to a WPA network on aliosa's image |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: then your google-fu needs improving then :) |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: yeah, it's kinda depressing how bad my google-fu is |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: I got cmus working though, and it's a dream |
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<rkdavis> |
yup on debian it's fine |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: how would I go about running screen instead of bash on startup? |
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<M25> |
after login that is |
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<M25> |
meaning I won't have to run bash in screen in bash, just bash in screen |
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<rkdavis> |
change the shell entry in /etc/passwd |
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<M25> |
thanks :D |
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<rkdavis> |
as long as screen works as a shell it should work |
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<rkdavis> |
ok gordo has said he's off to see the queen |
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<adnyxo> |
woot, im buying a nokia n810 |
| [14:34:16] |
<adnyxo> |
getting an extended battery |
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<adnyxo> |
10+ hours of heavy use |
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<adnyxo> |
and upgrading it with a full sd adapter for 32 gigs of storage |
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<adnyxo> |
all for $250 |
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<adnyxo> |
sry its not zipit related |
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<adnyxo> |
but im excited about this 3 year old device :P |
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<packets> |
adnyxo: Congrats! |
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<Guerilla_> |
Hi guys! |
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<Guerilla_> |
I need so ehelp |
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<Guerilla_> |
some help |
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<Guerilla_> |
how can i flash my zipit back to original firmware? |
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<Guerilla_> |
and where can i download it? |
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<M25> |
you can't download the original firmware legally |
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<M25> |
did you copy it off the SD card you used to flash your zipit? |
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<Guerilla_> |
script couldn't backup my original firmware |
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<Guerilla_> |
so i had to flash over it |
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<Foxx> |
uh-ohs |
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<Foxx> |
sounds like you are in a bit of a bind now |
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<Guerilla_> |
yes, i think so too |
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<Guerilla_> |
can anyone send the original firmware to my email? |
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<Guerilla_> |
or share it? |
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<Foxx> |
no |
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<Foxx> |
and no |
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<Foxx> |
thats not legal |
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<Foxx> |
where did you learn how to flash the Z2? |
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<Guerilla_> |
ah, ok |
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<Guerilla_> |
from aliosas readme |
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<Foxx> |
it should have had clear and consise instructions on backing up the original firmware |
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<Foxx> |
how come you want to go back to stock? |
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<Guerilla_> |
debian starts normaly, but sound is not workin, swap is broken and wlan is using eth1 (o eth0) instead of eth0? |
| [15:20:58] |
<Guerilla_> |
the script just failed |
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<Foxx> |
the wlan being eth1 isnt really an issue |
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<rkdavis> |
Guerilla_: well you are using outdated stuff if you are using aliosa27's stuff |
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<Guerilla_> |
i tried many times but it could backup anything |
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<Foxx> |
hell ive got a device here with so many wifi cards it has wlan0_rename |
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<Guerilla_> |
i also tried rootnexus and sidetrack |
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<Foxx> |
what was your inital goal for all of this? |
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<Foxx> |
dont mind me, just trying to guage if I can help, I need to know what you are trying to accomplish |
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<Guerilla_> |
to get a handheld pc that could be stored inside my pocket |
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<Foxx> |
should have looked into the nokia n810 instead |
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<Foxx> |
or a smartphone of sorts |
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<Guerilla_> |
i have used linux for many years but compiling my own kernel for z2 without help is beyond my skills |
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<Foxx> |
I can say the same for myself |
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<Foxx> |
the Z2 is still in the early stages of being useful for anything practical |
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<Foxx> |
to be honest whenever I need to reflash, I use my serial port |
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<Foxx> |
never fails |
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<Guerilla_> |
i flashed my z2 like in tutorials but some of the thing dont work |
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<Foxx> |
not many of the tutorials are very good... |
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<adnyxo> |
i used the quantumlime tutorial and mine works fine |
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<Guerilla_> |
i think that z2 comunity is fading away... |
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<adnyxo> |
but i also had help form here |
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<Guerilla_> |
k |
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<Foxx> |
no its pretty strong, the thing is most people that have the know-how to help tend to be middle-aged and have family, jobs. kids, etc |
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<Guerilla_> |
i think that my z2 kernel and debian use different versions |
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<Foxx> |
they arent 17 year old kids with nothing better to do then sit on IRC and code for linux all day |
| [15:26:53] |
<Guerilla_> |
true |
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<Foxx> |
I would suggest to anyone and everyone to use the serial method of reflashing the Z2 |
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<Foxx> |
but not many people can solder their way out of a plastic bag wrapped around their head |
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<Foxx> |
let alone solder to the Z2 motherboard |
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<Guerilla_> |
should i just sell my z2 that works but not perfectly? |
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<Foxx> |
i think adnyxo was looking to buy one of the sort |
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<Guerilla_> |
im pretty fed up with mine and my 3 friends have same issues |
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<adnyxo> |
yea im still looking |
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<Guerilla_> |
k |
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<Guerilla_> |
adnyxo how much would you like to pay? |
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<Guerilla_> |
it starts and i can use terminal plus mouse |
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<adnyxo> |
$0 |
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<adnyxo> |
just kidding |
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<adnyxo> |
$20 ok? |
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<Guerilla_> |
if you can flash your firmware to it, it should work as new |
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<adnyxo> |
$25 |
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<adnyxo> |
how much do you want for it |
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<Foxx> |
im looking for a bricked Z2 as well for the same price |
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<adnyxo> |
ohno |
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<Guerilla_> |
25$ + shipping from europe? |
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<Guerilla_> |
i live in finland |
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<adnyxo> |
thats not good, how much is shipping from europe |
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<Guerilla_> |
not sure |
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<Guerilla_> |
wait i'll check |
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<adnyxo> |
to georgia |
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<Guerilla_> |
letter, 250g 5,40€? |
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<Guerilla_> |
how much does z2 weight? |
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<adnyxo> |
too much |
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<Guerilla_> |
5,40€ for outside of europe |
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<adnyxo> |
if foxx wants, he can have this one |
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<adnyxo> |
i got a didj anyways |
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<Foxx> |
meh |
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<adnyxo> |
and a n810 |
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<Guerilla_> |
how much would you suggest? |
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<Foxx> |
ooh nice! let me know when you sink your claws into the n810 |
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<Guerilla_> |
20€ + shipping? |
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<adnyxo> |
im freaking excited about the n810 |
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<adnyxo> |
android, debian, and maemo looks nice |
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<Foxx> |
pop into BSoD irc sometime and chat with us about it |
| [15:36:09] |
<Foxx> |
a few of us have an n800 or n810 |
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<adnyxo> |
i saw a nice mod that adds a full sized sd slot in the battery chamber |
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<adnyxo> |
im doing that |
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<Guerilla_> |
adnyxo what deal would you suggest? |
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<Foxx> |
thats why I went with the n800 |
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<Foxx> |
but thats off topic for #zipit |
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<adnyxo> |
Guerilla_, ive got other stuff to use right now, so unless its super cheap im not very interested |
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<adnyxo> |
Foxx, dya know any good nokia tablet channels? |
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<Foxx> |
try #maemo |
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<adnyxo> |
#maemo |
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<adnyxo> |
lol |
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<Guerilla_> |
what is supercheap? |
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<adnyxo> |
no shipping from europe |
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<adnyxo> |
i shipped an e280 to europe, and it was $25 |
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<Foxx> |
Guerilla_, i dont think it would sell for anything above $35USD shipped |
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<Foxx> |
not a hacked and hardly working Z2, be happy if you can get $25 |
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<Guerilla_> |
true |
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<Foxx> |
rkdavis runs a debrick and reflash service |
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<Foxx> |
maybe he would be willing to either fix it, or buy it |
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<adnyxo> |
Guerilla_, rkdavis is really helpful |
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<Foxx> |
yes he is |
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<adnyxo> |
and nicer than foxx |
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<Foxx> |
damn right! |
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<adnyxo> |
or more tolerant of idiots |
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<Guerilla_> |
thats true |
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<Foxx> |
if you had the serial port and a serial cable for it, you could probabbly sell it for the amount you bought it for |
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<Guerilla_> |
rkdavis has already helped me few times |
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<Foxx> |
rkdavis has helped many peoples here |
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<adnyxo> |
Foxx, irc.lostcarrier.net for bsod? |
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<Guerilla_> |
i will talk with rkdavis when he has time |
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<adnyxo> |
that would be beneficial |
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<adnyxo> |
theres much less demand for the zipit now |
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<adnyxo> |
so dont expect to get much for it |
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<Foxx> |
adnyxo, yeah |
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<Guerilla_> |
i just don't want to have to pay more shippings than what i can get from my device |
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<adnyxo> |
find someone in the uk |
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<adnyxo> |
uk=europe |
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<Guerilla_> |
k |
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<adnyxo> |
they dont want to pay shipping from here either |
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<Foxx> |
contact your local Linux User Group (LUG) and put the offer out there |
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<Foxx> |
I know a few people in LUGs that either have, had, or are looking into the Z2 |
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<Guerilla_> |
shippings suck :D |
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<adnyxo> |
btw foxx, you going to self 2010 |
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<Foxx> |
no clue what that is |
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<adnyxo> |
Guerilla_, shippings do in fact suck |
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<adnyxo> |
south east linux fest |
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<adnyxo> |
but ill take that as a no |
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<Foxx> |
na |
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<Guerilla_> |
i could try to sell my z2 for some linux hc group |
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<Foxx> |
I would probabbly wind up skull fucking someone to death |
| [15:44:55] |
<Guerilla_> |
linux comes from finland after all |
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<adnyxo> |
lol |
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<Foxx> |
I cant stand fanboy conventions |
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<Guerilla_> |
i wonder if linux torwalds would want one... |
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<Foxx> |
you mean Linus Torvalds? |
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<adnyxo> |
ive never been to one, but thanks to people like you im going to be a little skeptical |
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<adnyxo> |
but i think it will be interesting at the least |
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<Guerilla_> |
true, i should not write after 10 hours workday... |
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<adnyxo> |
torvalds would make the most sense |
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<Foxx> |
last place I want to be is in a pack of fuckwit linux people that think they all have answers to everyone elses opinion |
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<adnyxo> |
i dont try to force my opinion on anyone |
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<Foxx> |
thats a respectable trait |
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<adnyxo> |
but i also wont let them force their opinion on me |
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<packets> |
lol... I like the way you put that. |
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<Foxx> |
packets, ive been around 'the scene' for quite some time |
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<Foxx> |
worked in the field to see all sorts of sterotypes |
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<Guerilla_> |
k, i will contact rkdavis and if he can't help i will think about something |
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<Guerilla_> |
thx for help |
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<Foxx> |
there are a lot of people that will give you the 'i smell shiit' look because you dont use the same GUI as they do |
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<adnyxo> |
so thats why some people think i do try to force my opinion on people, cause if they come up and try to tell me what to do i will sometimes tell them what i think |
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<Foxx> |
or the same plaintext editor as them |
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<packets> |
I guess I've been around for awhile... The only real 'scene' I'm that familar with is Defcon though. I don't normally do the LUG / PLUG thing to often. |
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<adnyxo> |
Foxx, why do they fing care? |
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<Foxx> |
its all the same in general |
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<Foxx> |
adnyxo, cause they have a higher opinion of themself |
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<Foxx> |
its the typical Admin Complex |
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<Foxx> |
"Im an admin! I AM GOD FOR I AM ROOT! Argue with me and I ban you" |
| [15:49:03] |
<Foxx> |
"Disagree with me and I ban you!" |
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<Foxx> |
"Dont worship me, I BAN YOU!" |
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<Foxx> |
I met this guy at an 8-bit computer musem trying to impress us by telling us about all the people hes met... |
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<Foxx> |
as if it mattered |
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<Guerilla_> |
btw, where does rkdavis live? |
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<adnyxo> |
us |
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<adnyxo> |
lol Foxx why does lostcarrier have an uno channel? |
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<Foxx> |
he was giving us a tour and getting some of the facts wrong, we would correct him. He hated us. |
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<Foxx> |
because you can play Uno... |
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<Guerilla_> |
shippings... it's not worth sending my z2 to us for fix |
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<adnyxo> |
play uno over irc? |
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<Foxx> |
why dont you ask me in the proper channel, its a bit rude (my opinion) to ask here |
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<adnyxo> |
sry |
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<Foxx> |
no worries |
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<Foxx> |
and yes, you can play uno |
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<adnyxo> |
awesome |
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<vodnik> |
so Foxx... |
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<vodnik> |
who did he meet? |
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<Foxx> |
buah? |
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<M25> |
dTal: do you have any other way of getting the source of the power management daemon to me? |
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<M25> |
nevermind |
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<dTal> |
M25: did you unpack it successfully? |
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<dTal> |
it's already compiled in that archive btw |
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<M25> |
yeah, but I want to -O3 compile it, since it's a daemon on a low-power device |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: and does arm arch allow that option? |
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<dTal> |
the hard parts were all written by rkdavis anyway, and his code is in the same directory |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: remember the optimising for arm and x86 are completly different and most of the -O flags down't do the same thing on arm as x86 |
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<M25> |
I don't know super much about -O3 on eiterh x86 or ARM |
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<rkdavis> |
they won't error but in alot of cases they either do nothing or make it worse |
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<M25> |
ah, now that is different |
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<dTal> |
it is a *tiny* program anyway, I wouldn't consider the effort of optimizing it worth it |
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<M25> |
dTal: considering the main overhead is file IO, yeah |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: you also have the problem with which arm it is compiling for arm6 will run arm 5 and arm 4 but the optimising is different i.e. what is optimisable on arm6 is becomes swp's on arm5 and something else on arm 4 they'll all run but |
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<dTal> |
gcc would spend more time trying to optimize it, once, than the cumulative cpu time saved over its life |
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<dTal> |
M25: no files io |
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<M25> |
I was mainly trying to minimize memory usage |
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<dTal> |
all in /sys |
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<dTal> |
not real files |
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<M25> |
memory IO then |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: you haven't got a hope in hell then |
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<M25> |
there's no memory usage code optimization on ARM? |
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<rkdavis> |
because they are tiny programs, most of the ram usage will be the libc which you have to have unless you want to hit the books and leqarn arm assembler |
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<dTal> |
I already tried various permutations of the source, tweaks just make it bigger |
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<dTal> |
it's not a big deal |
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<M25> |
ok |
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<M25> |
how many K does it take, resident |
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<M25> |
? |
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<dTal> |
1.4 is max I've seen |
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<M25> |
:p |
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<M25> |
ok, yeah, forget optimization |
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<rkdavis> |
won't run on a zx81 but would run on a vic20 |
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<rkdavis> |
if they used arm of course :) |
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<M25> |
:P |
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<dTal> |
zx81 wouldn't run linux anyway, would it? |
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<M25> |
I literally just finished my compilers and OS courses, so all this is still sinking into my head. apparently I need to study more than I have |
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<dTal> |
and seeing as the whole thing just talks to /sys, it would be rather pointless |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: could possibly run uzi |
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<M25> |
by the way, do either of you have any suggestions for preventing the z2 from pressing its own buttons whenever I pick it up closed? they get hit by the lid all the time |
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<dTal> |
qaqo$ |
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<dTal> |
qi |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: yup the keyboard they ordered and the one they got are different |
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<M25> |
... that's kinda sad |
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<rkdavis> |
only thing i do is check the lid at powerup and poweroff if the lid is closed |
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<rkdavis> |
which solves the biggest problem with that |
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<dTal> |
oops |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: that's a good one, and I can lock the screen when I'm not using it. I have an idea for a physical solution, but out of curiosity, how long does the device take between turning on and off if the lid's closed? |
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<rkdavis> |
the keys were supposed to be flat and less high. the ones that arrived were too big and too late in the day to send them back |
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<dTal> |
zipit in the back pocket :) |
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<rkdavis> |
well i don't know in debian, it's 10 to 15 seconds in iz2s |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. i have it at the top of the script so as soon as the kernel has booted it hits it |
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<M25> |
then it'll be a ton more in debian, ok, I'm just going to put a foam strip around the lip of the clamshell, so it can't shut far enough to hit the keys |
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<dTal> |
wait |
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<dTal> |
you were talking about preventing the zipit from pressing keys while closed |
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<M25> |
dTal: yeah |
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<dTal> |
and meanwhile my zipit was pressing keys while closed |
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<dTal> |
...weird. |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: you could write a screenlock daemon that kicks in on idle |
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<rkdavis> |
bit like my screenblanker but also have it swallow key presses while the lid is closed |
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<dTal> |
I thought of putting a keyboard blocker in the lidswitch daemon |
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<dTal> |
but that would disable the volume too |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: if I knew how to lock the keyboard from a C program. would I have to redirect the tty? |
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<dTal> |
it's not hard |
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<M25> |
dTal: I'd be happy to put that in the c code you gave me, that'd be the best place, if I know how to gank the keyboard from the terminal |
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<dTal> |
I did it in bash recently |
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<dTal> |
couldn't undo it, heh |
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<rkdavis> |
just use getch or kbhit and ignore it |
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<M25> |
dTal: that's my one worry |
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<rkdavis> |
put it in a daemon |
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<dTal> |
forget exactly what I did, something like cat /dev/console > /dev/null |
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<dTal> |
not about to try |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: well you could of course still use the volume keys, just pass them through the daemon |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: that guarantees to intercept the keyboard, no matter what program the user is in? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: if the daemon kicks in it'll grab the keyboard anyway |
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<rkdavis> |
it would have priority |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: I was thinking what M25 was, about focus |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: the daemon would be running all the time, I'm with dTal on this |
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<M25> |
if I'm in cmus, in screen, in bash |
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<M25> |
it has to interrupt the entire chain |
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<rkdavis> |
my screenblanker waits until the zipit is idle and then hits a sleep loop |
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<rkdavis> |
it is then in control of the zipit |
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<dTal> |
I don't know the first thing about tty programming |
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M25 doesn't either |
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<rkdavis> |
only signals will take priority |
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<rkdavis> |
the way to wake up the screen is to press a key, if i dumped the key then it woul;d stay blanked, |
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<M25> |
sleep loop... would that be just a while(1){getch()} ? |
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<M25> |
if I'm reading getch right |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: pretty much |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: that's pretty cool, as it's interrupt-driven, not a busy-wait |
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<M25> |
then you can just check the screen state after each key press, no busy waiting on screen up |
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<rkdavis> |
while(1) |
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<rkdavis> |
while(!kbhit()) |
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<rkdavis> |
sleep(5) |
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<rkdavis> |
it;s not that but that was a version i used originally |
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<M25> |
what's kbhit? |
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<M25> |
what it sounds like? does it block? |
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<rkdavis> |
kbhit is the unix version of the dos function |
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<M25> |
....ew, dos tends to busywait. (in case you haven't noticed, I absolutely despise any busy-waiting whatsoever) |
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<rkdavis> |
http://linux-sxs.org/programming/kbhit.html |
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<rkdavis> |
that's why i didn't use it in the end because i read the /proc/interrupts |
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<rkdavis> |
but it'd do for your needs |
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<M25> |
would getch() jump in front of all focused applications? that seems a lot simpler and would allow you to achieve a truly 0% cpu idle |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: i know i told you that i was just giving you an example |
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<M25> |
k |
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<rkdavis> |
my screenblanker doesn't use either but early versions did but most ppl know kbhit() if they are of the right age better than getch() |
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<M25> |
[ |
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<rkdavis> |
also kbhit doesn't care about streams or files it's lower level |
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<M25> |
ah, it grabs straight from the keyboard? would that be the tcgetattr and tcsetattr calls? |
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<rkdavis> |
sort of |
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<rkdavis> |
tcgetattr/tcsetattr are still in theory files and streams |
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<rkdavis> |
but as really you can't get to baremetal like you could in dos or cp/m so it obviously isn't the same thing quite |
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<rkdavis> |
but it's good enough |
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<rkdavis> |
it uses tc???attr calls of course but you need to change your thinking |
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<rkdavis> |
from files to ints |
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<M25> |
ints as in numbers? |
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<rkdavis> |
nope ints as in irq's |
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<rkdavis> |
ints as in dos/cpm |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. int10h, int21h |
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<M25> |
ah. I didn't even know linux had those until somewhat recently, thought they were a windows only thing |
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<rkdavis> |
it doesn't |
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<rkdavis> |
but that's the way to think about it in your head |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<rkdavis> |
otherwise you'll be forever in unixland |
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<rkdavis> |
well actially linux does have the sort of equivilents |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. i.e. ioctls and syscalls |
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<rkdavis> |
but you need to get very low to use the syscalls and ioctls need c to use |
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<rkdavis> |
well unless you write a ioctls caller |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: you make me wish my OS teacher wasn't so lazy |
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<M25> |
then again, he's my boss this summer for my internship, so I can't really complain |
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<none4now> |
woohoo zipit charging with a cell phone adapter, zipit company shipping new power adapter under warranty to a country where you can't buy their device! |
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<enildeR> |
isn't there a new "event" base system in the newer kernel? so you don't need a small C program to loop through and scan the lid state. I haven't kept up with kernel dev since like 2.6 when they started f'n with the VM horseshit. I could have swore that there was such an event driven sub system. |
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<none4now> |
for anyone who cares, Samsung cell phones use an almost identical DC adapter (same connector) |
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<M25> |
none4now: you, sir, win at home-electronics purchasing |
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<none4now> |
yay |
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<M25> |
... that will be nice if/when I get a samsung phone, to replace my LG |
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<M25> |
on a random note, is there an alsa call I can make to disable the internal speaker? |
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<none4now> |
now if only i could find a frikkin mini-sd adapter in this country |
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<M25> |
none4now: what country? |
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<none4now> |
canada.. one is in the mail just don't wanna wait |
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<M25> |
:p |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: just use alsamixer to mute it |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: sweet, thanks |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: what are you doing interning? some nice tiny c compiler for arm mayhap? |
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<rkdavis> |
enildeR: yes there is but i'm using stock so i can't use it, stuck with the kernel as it is so can't even do gpio to irq and vice versa which would handle the polling |
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<M25> |
I wish, I just wrote a HUGE crappy one (first compiler ever, written during the course) for C- to mips |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: actually, I'm writing an iphone app for psych/sociology students, a data recorder and correlation program |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: client and server for the data handling, inconspicuous, and cheaper than the devices they use now |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: also, question, where in /etc/init.d should I put the line that mounts my swap file |
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<M25> |
? |
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<enildeR> |
rkdavis, k. gotchya |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: in fstab |
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<rkdavis> |
it mounts automagically then |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: even if it's a swap file and not a partition? |
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<none4now> |
rk: how low u think the charging screen will stay on a brand new batt? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: not got the foggiest as i don't have swap on my zipit |
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<rkdavis> |
none4now: it's about 2 to 4 hours |
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<none4now> |
tnx |
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<Guest12931> |
Uh, I've been away from the Zipit for a while. Has there been any Debian progress? I'm using Aliosa's image. |
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<rkdavis> |
rootnexus or sidetrack are the recommended debian based rootfs these days |
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<Guest12931> |
Thanks. Any kernel updates? |
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<rkdavis> |
not if you are using debian |
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<Guest12931> |
:/ And I assume they still take a long time to boot up? |
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<rkdavis> |
and haven't changed to u-boot |
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<Guest12931> |
u-boot? |
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<rkdavis> |
different bootloader |
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<Guest12931> |
Can I flash that via serial? |
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<rkdavis> |
you will be stuck forever at .29 kernel unless you move to u-boot |
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<rkdavis> |
and if you do then you'll need to roll your own rootfs |
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<Guest12931> |
Ah, thanks. So the blob bootloader is bad news... |
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<rkdavis> |
nope it's just not able to use mainline kernel |
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<Guest12931> |
Oh, so I can use the previously mentioned rootfses if I get uboot? |
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<rkdavis> |
but if you do upgrade to u-boot you'll need to compile the kernel and rootfs yourself as only about 6 people have u-booted zipits |
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<rkdavis> |
and 2 of those are away for a while |
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<Guest12931> |
Heh, if only I was über at Linux... |
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<rkdavis> |
and you can't use the debian rootfs on u-boot unless you make the changes yourself and as ppl using u-boot don't care about denian noone will have done it already |
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<rkdavis> |
but if you want to do it and release it i'm sure they'd be happy to use it on occasion :) |
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<Guest12931> |
Hm. I always liked Debian because I could write and compile code on it. |
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<rkdavis> |
well you can do that on anything |
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<Guest12931> |
:) If I never picked up the Didj again and magically became un-n0by, it would be win. |
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<adnyxo> |
i have the didj |
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<adnyxo> |
but i have yet to do something with it |
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<Guest12931> |
I've been away from that too. Did they do anything fun? I only saw an OpenGL-ES demo recently... |
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<rkdavis> |
adnyxo: so send it here then i'll do something with it and maybe if you are lucky i might even let you have it back one dsay too |
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<Guest12931> |
I only cut the cratridge slot out and soldered a serial port and MicroSD slot in... |
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<Guest12931> |
Nothing else. |
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<adnyxo> |
Guest12931, link to the demo pls\ |
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<Guest12931> |
Uh... |
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<Guest12931> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfXI0crLTBc |
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<Guest12931> |
Runs from the Breo (or whatever it's called) interface too... |
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<adnyxo> |
nice |
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<M25> |
anyone know how to change the console font on aliosa debian? |
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<rkdavis> |
setfont |
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<rkdavis> |
if you haveit |
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<none4now> |
zipit fully charged and clicking |
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<none4now> |
and boy does it click |
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<LokiChaos> |
heh, yeah reminds me of an HP graphing calc |
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<none4now> |
hey it's not totally useless without a minisd card cool ;) |
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<none4now> |
wow what a great company |
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<none4now> |
one page in the manual actually explains wep/wpa, hidden networks, dhcp/vs static.. rare |
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<none4now> |
wow i'm impressed |
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<none4now> |
even stock the z2 is pretty cool |
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<none4now> |
the website doesn't ask for any info and you're on yer way.. |
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<none4now> |
rk: around? |
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<none4now> |
rkdavis: well if you pop in, wondering if stock doesn't support WPA AES.. tkip seems ok |
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