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<marex> |
rkdavis, does PG13 allow me to say 'fsck' aloud ? |
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<rkdavis> |
of course |
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<rkdavis> |
we'll just hide the dictionary first |
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<marex> |
FSCK |
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<marex> |
much better |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<marex> |
Toradex hardware seems to be either crap or I'm stupid |
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<marex> |
I'm off for some food ... growl |
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<marex> |
rkdavis, I've reached the point where I need a break ! |
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<marex> |
whoa ... I made a device run uboot on first try :D |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<marex> |
rkdavis, morning ... uboot on that Toradex module now works well :) |
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<marex> |
MMC, Ethernet, USB ... all supported already :) |
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<rkdavis> |
marex: cool |
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<marex> |
on first try (reflash) ;-) |
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<marex> |
it was fast :) |
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<rkdavis> |
another couple of devices and you'll say "sod it" and write your own bootloader from scratch |
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<rkdavis> |
wow gordon brown has announced he's going to step down |
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<rkdavis> |
didn't expect that for at least another couple of weeks |
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<mozzwald> |
rkdavis: i hooked up the serial port and captured a log of the ubuntu rootfs I made. Nothing out of the ordinary. There's no message when it freezes. any other ideas? |
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<rkdavis> |
well i would look at the last message you get on the serial terminal then look at the scripts in the rootfs |
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<rkdavis> |
see what's next as that will be where the problem is |
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<rkdavis> |
the kernel fully loads and runs? it's somewhere instide init? |
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<mozzwald> |
Well, I can boot the system and login fine. |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
so everything up to entering user id and password works? |
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<mozzwald> |
The last message from the serial console is Freeing init memory: 108K |
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<mozzwald> |
Adding 128512k swap on /dev/mmcblk0p2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:128512k SS |
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<mozzwald> |
I can actually login and do a few commands before it freezes |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
from the console only? you are not starting X? |
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<mozzwald> |
when it freezes the mmc light stays on solid and cursor stops blinking |
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<mozzwald> |
no x |
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<rkdavis> |
ok sounds like something in the /disk/ stuff then |
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<rkdavis> |
this is a new sd card? |
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<mozzwald> |
I thought it might be an issue with my sd card so I tried another, same problem. |
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<rkdavis> |
ok so it's not wear then |
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<rkdavis> |
does sound like something disky |
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<rkdavis> |
what happens if you do a swapoff as the first command after you login |
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<rkdavis> |
and what do free and df say? |
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<mozzwald> |
Initially I was running it with no swap. I just added that about 10 minutes ago |
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<rkdavis> |
ah ok |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmm |
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<mozzwald> |
free says Mem: 28988 19752 9236 0 1596 9380 |
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<mozzwald> |
brb |
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<mozzwald> |
Could it be a permissions issue? the first rootfs I made wouldn't allow me to run sudo until I chown/chmoded it. I have since made a new rootfs |
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<mozzwald> |
and sudo works now |
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<rkdavis> |
yup might be |
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<mozzwald> |
is there a "repair permissions" utility for linux? kinda like macos has? :) |
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<dTal> |
Okay, I'm probably just not understanding something here |
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<dTal> |
but it *looks* like something funny's happening with the cpu frequency |
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<dTal> |
from dmesg: "Turbo Mode clock: 312.00MHz (*1.5, active)" |
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<dTal> |
then, later: Calibrating delay loop... 311.29 BogoMIPS (lpj=1556480) |
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<dTal> |
then, later still: PXA CPU 27x max frequency not defined (pxa27x_maxfreq), assuming pxa271 with 416000kHz maxfreq |
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<dTal> |
and now cpuinfo claims 415.06 |
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<dTal> |
(BogoMIPS) |
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<dTal> |
I remember reading in the IRC at one point that it's basically overclocked slightly... |
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<dTal> |
but since attempting frequency scaling simply hard crashes the system, I wonder how internally consistant it all is. |
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<mozzwald> |
got it working. It was the permissions. had to use the -p switch when untarring the rootfs to the sd card. |
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<zdanee> |
hi all! Im new to Zipit, just got mine 4 days ago. Ive installed the backtrack userland, but met some dependency hell while trying to install gcc. Now I tried the rootnexus userland, but it is the same. So my question is if there is a workaround, should I search for an alternate apt-source or should I just give up, and cross-compile on my PC? |
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<zdanee> |
Also is there a way to hibernate/suspend the Zipit? Does the hardware supports it and can be done with a new kernel, or is it impossible (given it is not implemented in the most recent userland while the hardware is at least 3 years old)? |
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<dTal> |
zdanee: Hi. The problem is because both those images use emdebian. Apt automatically considers emdebian packages higher versions than stock debian ones, and by default refuses to 'downgrade'. So GCC can't pull in all it needs. |
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<dTal> |
What you need to do is use apt pinning to allow apt to prioritise stock debian packages. |
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<dTal> |
This will have the effect of replacing large chunks of your system, and may break stuff. Saying that I think it's worth it. |
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<dTal> |
As for suspend/hibernate, hibernate is certainly possible in principle. |
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<zdanee> |
Thanks. So if I get it right editing the sources.list, to a "normal" debian source and update-upgrade would do the trick, right? |
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<zdanee> |
Does you guys hibernate your Z2-s, or just let it run in your pocket? Or maybe you wair 2 mins every time you want to use it? |
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<dTal> |
Actually it's /etc/apt/preferences you need to edit. |
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<dTal> |
I just leave mine on. |
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<dTal> |
But everyone's different. |
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<dTal> |
Incidentally you can trim that boot time. Mine boots in about 40 seconds. |
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<zdanee> |
How long does it last? Also managing the CPU speed together with the lid-controls would make it last longer, right? |
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<dTal> |
It depends. Canonical answer is "6 hours, with power management" but rkdavis has gotten 14 plus by enabling wifi power management. |
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<zdanee> |
like mine is clocked at 416MHz, but it can run on 312 and probably 206 as well, right? |
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<dTal> |
Everyone's got everything working in one place or another, it's just not all been integrated properly into one "distro" yet. |
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<dTal> |
Cpufreq crashes mine. Wifi power management just drops the network totally. |
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<zdanee> |
I see. So there is still work to be done :) Why is that that these new userfriendly userlands only poped out recently while the Zipit is here for I dont know how long? |
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<dTal> |
Something to manage the lid switch and backlights is a definite must. |
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<zdanee> |
So do you know where the lid-switchs script is located? I also planned to save the backlight state and restore it after opening the lid |
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<dTal> |
Well, a lot of kernel stuff was only figured out late last year. My understanding was that the Hunter Davis videos garnered a lot of attention. |
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<zdanee> |
maybe a backlight managing applet to the panel as well |
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<dTal> |
I hated the script that came with rootnexus, and I don't use X, so I just wrote my own little program that runs in the background. |
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<zdanee> |
how do you detect lid state? A device in /sys? |
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<dTal> |
Well, a change in lid state generates an interrupt, and you can count those. But that's quite hackish. rkdavis wrote some routines that grab the state directly from the GPIO. |
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<zdanee> |
can i find it somewhere? |
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<dTal> |
http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/ has a bunch of code. |
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<zdanee> |
wow...no kidding... Thanks! |
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<dTal> |
backlight-daemon-Z2.tar.gz was the thing I wrote. It's not fancy (doesn't background itself or anything) but it works. |
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<dTal> |
Really, it is itself a bit of a workaround. Should be handled by kernel interrupts really. |
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<dTal> |
If you want to change screen and keyboard backlight brightness manually, you can echo values to /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.0/brightness and /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.1/brightness respectively. |
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<zdanee> |
Still better than noting :) So far I only wrote a script to run from the rxvt if I want tho change the light settings. |
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<zdanee> |
One last question from the Spanish Inquisition :) Is there a usb-port somewhere hidden in the expansion-port on the back? Like if I want to install a touch-sensetive layer, or something... |
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<LokiChaos> |
zdanee: if you want host usb you will have to tap the CPU pins directly |
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<dTal> |
LokiChaos: That's pretty well impossible |
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<zdanee> |
so it is not rooted out on the expansion port? |
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<LokiChaos> |
dTal: it's not for the faint of heart, but I heard someone was working on it |
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<dTal> |
There's USB client in the back pins, and there's been some hacks to get simple peripherals going, but I wouldn't hold your breath for touchscreens |
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<rkdavis> |
to get usb host rather than usb client you'll need to u-boot your zipit, use a .33+ kernel and make a hardware mod to your zipit |
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<rkdavis> |
in other words it's not for the squeamish |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: how well does it work when you do? I've only a vague impression of USB mice working etc |
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<rkdavis> |
and you'll need to get a connector from digikey too -- well several as you'll want to make a series of cables |
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<zdanee> |
USB-host...that makes sense, didnt touth of that... |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: gpsfan had mouse, keyboard and thumbdrive |
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<dTal> |
through custom drivers or through standard linux usb interfaces? |
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<dTal> |
read: would any old usb thing work in principle? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: linux drivers |
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<rkdavis> |
the only custom bit was the kernel module |
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<rkdavis> |
and it's not been well tested so anyone who does it will be a carving their own path |
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<dTal> |
still, that's neat |
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<dTal> |
opens a few doors |
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<dTal> |
probably better suited to internal hacking than trying to put a usb port in it |
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<rkdavis> |
but you MUST be u-booted and be able to compile your own kernel (and build your own rootfs) so if you don't have a cross com[pile environment setup you won't be able to do it |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: you around? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: none of this compiling on your zipit rubbish :) |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: sort of |
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<dTal> |
heh |
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<dTal> |
I was going to set that up eventually |
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<dTal> |
but I only have the odd hour here and there these days |
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<M25> |
I'm getting my z2 tomorrow, I'm doing the SD card prep, what'd you change between iz2s enhanced and ez2s? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: i wouldn't use ez2s yet, it has alot less functionality |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: I know, I'm going to use the old iz2se, but what did you need to take the functionality out for? rather, what did you add? |
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<rkdavis> |
i am starting from scratch to make sure everything is built with the latest so ez2s is the base to work from i.e. bare minimum for console work. no sound, no im, no browsser |
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<zdanee> |
does a dillo 2.2 debian package exsist somewhere? |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
will your scripts in ez2s work in iz2se, allowing the same battery life as ez2s? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: there was alot of cruft in it unused libs etc |
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<rkdavis> |
so start from the beginning and only do the libs actually needed |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: yes |
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<rkdavis> |
it's only applications that are currently goen the scripts are the same |
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<rkdavis> |
but with newer version of dialog |
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<M25> |
ok |
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<M25> |
out of curiosity, do you have an ETA on ez2s? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: it was to be before months end but i had an emergency project crop up so maybe the middle of next month |
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<rkdavis> |
and the uk election so that ahs sucked up alot of my time as i am streaming the bbc for the news |
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<M25> |
ok, so not like after summer or anything. that's good. Did you update the iz2se link on your blog with the new scripts, or should I collect the new ones from ez2s and put them in the iz2se image I use |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<rkdavis> |
i'd take them from ez2s |
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<M25> |
gotcha |
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<rkdavis> |
oh and grab the lcdbrightness and kbbrightness apps too they aren't in iz2se |
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<rkdavis> |
brb |
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<zdanee> |
Thanks for all the help guys, goodnight! |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: ok, looking through iz2se and ez2s, not sure which executables/scripts I should copy |
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<M25> |
also, I can't find the cmus binary |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: cmus is broken on iz2s and iz2se -- probably because it's crap |
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<M25> |
......... |
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<M25> |
um... |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: for the brightness stuff copy lcdbrightness and kbbrightness from the bin dir |
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<rkdavis> |
and the ewoc,sh from bin too |
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<M25> |
any others? |
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<M25> |
also, cmus is not crap, it's my personal favorite music app |
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<M25> |
how can I get it working? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: tell it to behave and respect the alsa settings and link then |
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<M25> |
... it was working in iz2s v2.03 right? |
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<rkdavis> |
cmus is the only sound app that refuses to link correctly probably because it's crap :) |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: yes in 2.03 but then sound wasn't right |
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<rkdavis> |
sound was hacked so that cmus would work because it is a badly behaved app |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
what do you use to play mp3's then? |
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<rkdavis> |
there is also no need for it as mplayer, aplay, mpg123.... all work |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: do they have a queue for songs to be played next? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: i don't care about sound myself |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: most of them let you chain mp3's or you can just script it |
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<dTal> |
all those music management apps are really mem heavy |
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<rkdavis> |
cmus is ugly too |
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<dTal> |
even mplayer is heavy because it has all its codecs statically compiled in |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: no arguments there, but if you like to be able to say "play these 3 songs next" it's fantastic |
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<M25> |
and it runs in 4MB here on my laptop |
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<M25> |
with a 5000 song library too |
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<rkdavis> |
cmus the thing to use then, use mc |
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<rkdavis> |
and use file associations |
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<dTal> |
4 MB is a sixth the zipits available user memory |
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<dTal> |
case: rested |
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<M25> |
dTal: doesn't bash use that much? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: that's one of the reasons i mostly make my sdcards one function only cards |
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<dTal> |
besides, I'm running cmus right now and it's using more like 6 megs |
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<rkdavis> |
i have one sd card as a generic linux, one for browsing, one for im (ok thjose two are the same one) one for dev, one for ..... |
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<M25> |
dTal: you're on debian, right? |
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<dTal> |
Yes |
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<M25> |
ok. cmus is the #1 program I anticipate running on my z2 |
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<dTal> |
I wonder how well mpd would work... |
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* |
dTal tries |
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<M25> |
would downloading iz2s 2.03 and adding in the binaries from 2.04 and the scripts from ez2s work? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: it'd work but it would get messy |
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<M25> |
how so? |
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<rkdavis> |
library versions, shared vs static |
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<rkdavis> |
busybox version |
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<rkdavis> |
dialog version |
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<M25> |
cmus in 2.03 is statically compiled? |
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<M25> |
honestly, I don't really want any other program that uses alsa on my zipit, I don't like computers making sounds other than music |
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<M25> |
so I'd be happy to take the broken alsa from 2.03 and put it in iz2se |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: the binaries and scripts will run it's just how much you'll need to add/delete and the scripts are all a hodgepodge binary wise they'll run but what you'll need to copy across is a different matetr, you might end up with 15 versions of a library |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<rkdavis> |
upto and including 2.03 stuff was static but 2.04+ is shared and of course you have modules and stuff and alsa settings and config that has changed, it can't hurt to try it but |
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<rkdavis> |
i'd only give it an 85% of working |
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<M25> |
ok |
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<M25> |
if I was going to try it, how would I go about it? I'd really prefer to use shared libraries but it's sounding like cmus doesn't work with shared libraries, that being the problem |
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<M25> |
all the .so files for cmus are already in the lib directory in iz2se |
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<M25> |
as with alsa |
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<M25> |
sorry for the flood. would I just copy the cmus binary from 2.03? I figure there'd be more to it than that |
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<rkdavis> |
i don't know as i said i don't care about sound but try it -- it can't hurt |
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<M25> |
ok. sorry to be a bit overzealous, but having cmus in my pocket was the main reason I bought a z2 in the first place. I might just stick with 2.03 until cmus will linnk properly, as the only thing I'd really miss out on would be bash |
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<rkdavis> |
thew bash from iz2s 2.04+ is staticaly compiled iirc |
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<madmoomix> |
hay guise |
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<rkdavis> |
after monday and tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!!! |
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<LokiChaos> |
mine say "WRF" somehow thursday ended up as an R... |
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<rkdavis> |
your calender must be a product of the american education system :) |
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* |
rkdavis ducks |
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<LokiChaos> |
yeah, GT |
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<LokiChaos> |
I'm trying to get in the habit of just using the day of the week number (0-6) |
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<M25> |
does the default z2 shell (not bash) have tab completion? |
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<M25> |
nevermind, the script runs sh, got it |
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<M25> |
is Ray Haque here somewhere? |
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<marex> |
M25, who's that ? |
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<M25> |
author of iz2s |
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<M25> |
I need to ask him about building an email client program for it |
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<M25> |
specifically mutt or alpine |
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* |
M25 just saw Mutt's dependencies, make that definitely alpine |
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<M25> |
also vifm |
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<marex> |
rkdavis, isn't iz2s your creation ? |
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<marex> |
M25, why don't you just reflash the device and install debian ? |
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<M25> |
marex: because debian's RAM usage on boot is like 24MB from what I've heard |
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<M25> |
which is just depressing |
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<dTal> |
M25: you heard from me |
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<dTal> |
got it down to 14 |
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<dTal> |
(alpine works great on debian btw) |
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<marex> |
M25, build OE/Angstrom with uClibc then |
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<dTal> |
turns out booting it while plugged in messes something up, I dunno what |
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<marex> |
you can have any packages you want in the image |
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<dTal> |
but you end up with way more ram use |
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<M25> |
marex: cmus, alpine, links2 with framebuffer? what's the ram usage on boot for that? |
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<dTal> |
(and a much longer boot time) |
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<wicknix3> |
yeah, i only use 13mb with X running w/debian |
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<M25> |
dTal: what's your boot time without plugging in? |
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<marex> |
M25, dunno, compile and try |
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<dTal> |
bout 40 seconds |
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<dTal> |
35 from when the logo pops up |
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<wicknix3> |
http://www.hostwork.com/users/matt/zipitz2/image/z2-desktop.png (apt-get running/installing, irssi and x11 with lxpanel running) |
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<dTal> |
basically, just run rcconf and get rid of everything |
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<dTal> |
I think I can trim it further too - we don't need udev |
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<M25> |
dTal: the other reason I want to run iz2se instead of debian is that it boots in 4 seconds |
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<marex> |
dTal, and how will you load wifi firmware ? |
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<M25> |
dTal: .... it loads udev? seriously? |
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<dTal> |
marex: I don't know how that's done in any case, but I'm sure it can be scripted directly |
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<dTal> |
I need to figure out exactly what udev ends up doing |
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<marex> |
dTal, kernel requests udev for the firmware ... no udev, no firmware |
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<marex> |
you can compile the firmware directly into kernel, but then you can't distribute it |
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<dTal> |
what, you *have* to have udev? with all the overhead? just for firmware? |
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* |
M25 agrees with dTal, udev is huge |
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<marex> |
bear with it |
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<marex> |
Z2 is just too old and low on resources |
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<marex> |
I have no problem running udev on my other devices |
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<dTal> |
well, at the very least we could kill udev once the firmware's loaded |
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<dTal> |
as it is it leaves daemons laying around, using ram |
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<marex> |
dTal, try looking at coldplug, but I dunno whether it does what you need |
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<dTal> |
marex: thanks |
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<dTal> |
looks interesting |
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<M25> |
wicknix3: you've got half your stuff in swap though |
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<marex> |
he can adjust swappiness |
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<wicknix3> |
and? nothing wrong with swap. |
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<M25> |
wicknix3: it wears out flash cards |
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<wicknix3> |
apt-get dies without swap |
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<M25> |
flash cards cost $ |
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<wicknix3> |
M25, not really. ive been running linux on a 512mb CF card for over 7 years now. no issues |
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<M25> |
....wow |
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<dTal> |
there's nothing wrong with swap, as long as no one single application needs all the ram + some swap |
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<dTal> |
i.e. as long as programs can be swapped completely in |
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<dTal> |
otherwise you get thrashiness |
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<M25> |
in any case, I'm going to try iz2se just to see if it suffices |
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<wicknix3> |
i just use a swapfile |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, if you run it on CF which is read-only, it's ok |
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<wicknix3> |
quick and easy and you can adjust its size if need be |
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<dTal> |
swapfile is good because you can delete and recreate it every so often |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, but swapping to SD really kills it eventually |
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<M25> |
wicknix3: that's probably why your drive has lasted so long, the drive can distribute writes that way, with a partition it wears on the same region of the chip all the time |
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<dTal> |
don't trust those wear levelling algorithms |
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<M25> |
dTal: you have a choice? |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<M25> |
nevermind. Anyway, I think I might end up with debian anyway. I need a mail client and iz2se doesn't have anything like one |
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<marex> |
M25, I said ... try OE |
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<wicknix3> |
i liked iz2s, but it lacked bitlbee (irc to im gateway), a webserver and no way to watch youtube. (all of which can be done with debian. |
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<marex> |
M25, you can trim down the memory usage by using uclibc and friend |
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<dTal> |
marex: are there repos for OE now? |
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<enildeR> |
OE/Ang uses less memory or is optimized? |
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<marex> |
dTal, if you compile them, yes |
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<dTal> |
ah |
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<wicknix3> |
dTal, use the angstrom repo's |
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<marex> |
enildeR, you can adjust it for your needs |
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<dTal> |
"no" |
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<wicknix3> |
no need to compile anything |
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<dTal> |
wicknix3: they didn't seem very complete when I tried it |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, angstrom repo is linked against eglibc |
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<wicknix3> |
thats all i did when i used aliosa's original OE image. worked fine |
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<dTal> |
OE was very trim, very snappy, it just didn't have any of the packages I wanted. |
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<wicknix3> |
no, angstrom has like 9 repos for various endianess and glibc, no glibc, etc etc |
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<wicknix3> |
just add the correct repo in /etc/ipkg.conf |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, and you're fscked up ... if you mix packages linked to various glibc implementation, it'd be a mess |
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<enildeR> |
so do any of dist repos use uClibc? or would one have to compile against it manually? |
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<wicknix3> |
right. but aliosa's original oe userland wasnt eglibc, nor was the package repository i used |
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<wicknix3> |
his original oe userland was just an angtrom userland with tweaks/extras aded |
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<wicknix3> |
added* |
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<M25> |
one last thing, what's the default memory use on boot of aliosa's image? |
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<wicknix3> |
marex, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv5te/ this feed is what i used with his OE userland. its not eglibc. :P |
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<wicknix3> |
M25, i dont remember. 12mb maybe with fluxbox. |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, it's glibc ... even worse |
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<M25> |
wicknix3: I won't be running X |
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<dTal> |
say, looks like debian has its own firmware for the wifi chipset in the repos |
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<wicknix3> |
marex, use the uclib feed then |
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<dTal> |
different from both stock and the one in sidetrack |
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<wicknix3> |
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/uclibc/armv5te/ |
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<M25> |
wicknix3: if it's that low, then I'll probably end up on debian. thanks for all the advice guys, I'm off to go try out iz2se |
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<dTal> |
I wonder if it's newer |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, don't worry ... back at old times I worked on OE ;-) |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, I was patching OE before you even used linux :-) |
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<wicknix3> |
marex, me too.. we sort of. was a dev for jlime. i added lots of packages to OE |
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<wicknix3> |
marex, doubt it |
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<wicknix3> |
oe wasnt around when i started using linux :P |
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<dTal> |
ooooh |
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<dTal> |
it IS |
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<marex> |
hm ... 90s were good ... no Koen atd |
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<wicknix3> |
koen... back in the familiar linux days |
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<marex> |
koen's idiot ... well mostly |
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<marex> |
he had is brighter days |
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<marex> |
*his |
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<wicknix3> |
i was working on the jornada 720/728 linux for years |
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<marex> |
ah I had 6xx series |
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<marex> |
(without keyb) |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, I underestimated you then |
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<wicknix3> |
heh. no worries |
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<enildeR> |
lol |
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<wicknix3> |
this was my final product before i left he project |
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<wicknix3> |
http://jlime.com/downloads/gallery/screenshots/mongo-desktop.png |
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<wicknix3> |
the package feed and userland was built by me. only thing i didnt do was kernel hacking. |
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<wicknix3> |
just lost interest in the device. too many newer things interested me. |
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<marex> |
wicknix3, well I'm loosing interest in newer things because it mostly means I will hack on those :/ |
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<marex> |
if marvell is involved, it's even more probable |
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<wicknix3> |
heh. i like them "too" hack on. |
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<wicknix3> |
latest project is/was a useable userland for those MIPS netbooks that came out a year before all them arm netbooks did. |
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<wicknix3> |
the default install sucked badly. like kiosk mode, no root access, crappy software. |
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<wicknix3> |
i mean it came with pidgin 2.4.1! Didnt even work. |
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<wicknix3> |
http://www.taitaonline.co.uk/3MX/images/3MX-Ultra-desktop.png <--my userland. |
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<wicknix3> |
now i bought a few arm netbooks. One is 667mhz w/256mb ram. Same internal hardware as the smartq7's. Once i hack the bootloader i should be able to run arm ubuntu and android on it. |
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<dTal> |
alright what am I missing here |
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<dTal> |
there's some much newer firmware in the linux firmware tree |
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<dTal> |
If I run strings on it I pull out 9.70.10.p0 |
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<dTal> |
compared to the cozybit firmware which is 9.70.3.p37, released 2008/09/23 |
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<dTal> |
and the stock firmware which is 9.70.3.p10, released 2007/06/01 |
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<dTal> |
(with the 'new' fw release date of 2008/11/25) |
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<dTal> |
Well, it works at any rate. |
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<dTal> |
Now, let's see if power management works. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: the blob in libertas tree? |
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<rkdavis> |
works in iz2s (all 3 fw i have do) |
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<dTal> |
yeah |
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<dTal> |
what's the command again? |
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<rkdavis> |
iwconfig eth0 power on in iz2s so iwconfig eth1 power on in debian |
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<dTal> |
not my debian :) |
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<dTal> |
got sick of that damn eth1 deal |
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<rkdavis> |
ok iwconfig [dtals magic wifi device] power on |
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<dTal> |
hehe |
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<dTal> |
here goes |
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<rkdavis> |
3 2 1 |
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<rkdavis> |
kerplop |
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<dTal> |
probably will just dump me off like last time |
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<M25> |
wow... I feel stupid. I formatted my sd card to fat16, copied the iz2se image to the drive, and booted the zipit with it in... but nothing happens. what did I miss? |
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<wicknix3> |
did you extract the contents of iz2s? |
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<rkdavis> |
did you unzip it? |
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<M25> |
yeah |
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<M25> |
I mean I've been running linux for years, I know what's supposed to go in the root / directory |
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<M25> |
is there a possiblity my zipit's running a newer firmware/kernel that won't handle the iz2s? |
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<rkdavis> |
you should have all directories and 1 file in the root |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: nope only thing that stops it is a slow sd card |
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<rkdavis> |
the /backdoor/ is in the zipit firmware |
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<M25> |
I've got the z2script.sh, and the README.txt, along with the folders (bin, etc, lib, modules, and such) |
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<rkdavis> |
if it boots into the stock app then goto tools->set defaults |
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<M25> |
oh |
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<M25> |
I can do that |
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<rkdavis> |
you migth be in the SAOD |
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<M25> |
? |
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<rkdavis> |
Stock App Of Death |
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<rkdavis> |
where it continiously boots into the stock app even when it's not supposed to |
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<M25> |
yeah, that sounds like that |
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<M25> |
... did a defaults set and it still boots the stock app |
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<rkdavis> |
ok might be the sd card then |
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<M25> |
it's a kingston |
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<rkdavis> |
or it could be the extraction of the files |
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<M25> |
2GB |
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<rkdavis> |
can you reformat the sd card? |
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<M25> |
I already did |
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<rkdavis> |
using what? |
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<M25> |
gparted |
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<rkdavis> |
nope |
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<rkdavis> |
gparted is crap |
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<rkdavis> |
and linux fat formatting sucks too |
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<M25> |
:p why is it that every app I'm a huge fan of, you despise |
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<M25> |
jk, what should I be using though? |
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<rkdavis> |
you are just lucky? |
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<rkdavis> |
if you have a windows box it's best to do it on that |
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<rkdavis> |
otherwise |
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<M25> |
I dual boot |
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<M25> |
be back in a bit with a windows formatted sd |
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<rkdavis> |
just fdisk and msdostoosl |
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<rkdavis> |
do yoiyu agve the panosonic formatter? |
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<rkdavis> |
do you have even |
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<M25> |
? |
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<M25> |
ok, brb |
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<rkdavis> |
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/sd/download/index.html |
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<rkdavis> |
oooo new version too |
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<rkdavis> |
i use 2.0 |
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<none4now> |
zipit as post office.. grr |
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<none4now> |
at rather |
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<none4now> |
iz2se ready, ~12 hrs to go |
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<Lydia`> |
hi lo |
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<none4now> |
high |
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<Lydia`> |
I'm trying to fix telnetd on the Z2 now |
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<Lydia`> |
i keep getting premission denied messages when i connect |
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<none4now> |
probably can't run the shell or possibly /bin/login |
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<none4now> |
why telnet not ssh? |
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<Lydia`> |
Cause it's not on there |
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<Lydia`> |
I would have used it for sure |
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<none4now> |
what are u running? I saw your name in the logs of the channel just assumed u've been at this a while |
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<Lydia`> |
I have been on and off yes |
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<Lydia`> |
I gave up this a couple weeks ago |
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<none4now> |
(since the guys were so kind to point out your a. an actual female, and b. a geek) |
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<Lydia`> |
I went back to it today |
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<Lydia`> |
none4now yeah I am both |
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<rkdavis> |
Lydia`: dropbear for ssh and dbclient |
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<rkdavis> |
should be in all the debian basied rootfsa |
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<Lydia`> |
Yeah that's what I am using but |
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<Lydia`> |
all i see is 'dropbearkey' |
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<none4now> |
manbearpig? |
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<rkdavis> |
might need to apt-get it |
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<Lydia`> |
i found it |
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<Lydia`> |
so no problem |
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<Lydia`> |
apt-get on the Z2 works? |
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<rkdavis> |
you'll need to make keys of course |
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<Lydia`> |
I thought I would have to build everything |
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<rkdavis> |
Lydia`: in rootnexus/sidetrack yes |
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<Lydia`> |
I'm using rootnexus |
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<Lydia`> |
nice |
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<Lydia`> |
I got dropbear installed on my main system now |
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<rkdavis> |
it is a bit flakey but dtal can help you with some of the stuff you need to do to get it unflakey |
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<Lydia`> |
acks, hiya |
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<Lydia`> |
rkdavis, okay, I have some info now so I can start hacking on it. Thanks so much! |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: it worked! :D |
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<M25> |
are there any utilities on iz2se to tell how much memory processes are using? |
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<M25> |
top doesn't seem to be there |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, how about using ps -aux for that? |
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<none4now> |
hah |
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<none4now> |
I believe that's called a burn |
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<Lydia`> |
Well that is what I would try without a top |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: busybox top |
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<rkdavis> |
or is if do busybox.sh first top |
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<M25> |
ah |
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<none4now> |
m25: so u just had to format w/ windows, fat16? |
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<M25> |
yeah |
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<none4now> |
good to know |
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<Lydia`> |
rkdavis, dropbear is working A-OK. pretty simple to setup - Thanks |
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<rkdavis> |
you're welcome |
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<Lydia`> |
I perfer ssh to telnet for sure but I didn't see it cause I knew not about dropbear, which is built into the rootnexus distro |
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<none4now> |
man virtualbox kicks ass.. |
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<none4now> |
rk: so I'm just looking at the files for iz2se prerelease.. where does the stock kernel swap to? |
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<rkdavis> |
nowhere |
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<none4now> |
how about that.. |
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<none4now> |
btw your videos are funny, assuming that's you anyway |
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<rkdavis> |
nope |
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<rkdavis> |
hunter is no relation (as far as we know) |
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<none4now> |
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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<none4now> |
well glad I mentioned here I was thinking the whole time.. |
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<none4now> |
oh you guys got me good |
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<none4now> |
your websites are almost identical |
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<Lydia`> |
OpenZipIt:~# apt-get install fortune |
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<Lydia`> |
Segmentation faultsts... 0% |
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<Lydia`> |
strange i can't use apt-get |
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<none4now> |
no, that's the fortune |
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<wicknix> |
it will crash if you dont have at least 40mb of swap. |
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<none4now> |
wicknix wins the random knowledge award |
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<wicknix> |
heh |
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<Lydia`> |
wicknix, that makes sense |
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<Lydia`> |
i'll have to figure out how much swap there is |
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<Lydia`> |
yeah, 0K |
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<Lydia`> |
no swap |
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<wicknix> |
free -m should tell you |
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<Lydia`> |
I'll have to rebuild the entire distro? |
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<wicknix> |
thats why :) |
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<wicknix> |
apt is pretty resource hungry |
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<none4now> |
Hunter Davis's (no relation) blog so I am going to use the same blogging software and theme that he has used (wordpress & lightword). |
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<wicknix> |
no, just make a swapfile |
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<none4now> |
woops |
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<wicknix> |
then swapon /path/to/swapfile |
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<Lydia`> |
I'll do that with gparted on my main box |
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<Lydia`> |
yeah |
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<wicknix> |
easy fix |
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<Lydia`> |
i need to skrink the FS on the card anyway |
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<Lydia`> |
wicknix, thank you :-) |
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<wicknix> |
no need to ise gparted to make a swapfile. you can do it right from the zipit |
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<wicknix> |
ise/use |
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<Lydia`> |
oh yeah |
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<Lydia`> |
but i'm already doing it on my Ubuntu box |
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<wicknix> |
whatever works for you :) |
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<Lydia`> |
cause the working Filesystem is taking the entire card |
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<M25> |
ok, anyone running debian know if the power management demons from ez2s will work on debian? |
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<wicknix> |
so is mine. thats why i chose to use a swapfile |
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<Lydia`> |
good idea, doing it now |
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<none4now> |
m25: http://russelldavis.org/category/zipitz2-hacking/ |
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<none4now> |
m25: rk has debian binaries there, bit down the page |
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<Lydia`> |
but there IS a swap |
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<Lydia`> |
strange |
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<Lydia`> |
i wonder why it isn't called |
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<M25> |
I think I'll take door #2 Alex :p |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: ok you either need devmem2 binary or busybox with devmem compiled in |
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<M25> |
compiling in debian sounds good, sorry for dropping iz2se so quickly, but being able to compile/install my own packages as needed is going to be important |
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<Lydia`> |
wicknix, i figured out what the problem was - the fdisk was pointing to the wrong device for swap, all fixed and thanks |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: is aliosa's one of those? |
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<wicknix> |
no problem :) |
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<Lydia`> |
fstab |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: i have no idea what's int he debian rootfs, i only ever used on for all of about 30mins |
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<rkdavis> |
but it is probably in a apt-get |
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<M25> |
why'd you switch? |
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<rkdavis> |
because debian sucks |
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<rkdavis> |
nah because i needed to stick to stock and i use/used oe |
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<M25> |
ok |
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<M25> |
I'm about to go debian, wish me luck :p |
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<rkdavis> |
because i am ubooted on one zipit and stock on the other (and the 3rd is currently bricked) |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, lots of ruck |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: well of course you are -- i hate it so of course you are, allt he programs you use are crap :) |
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<M25> |
.....how'd you brick the third zipit |
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<M25> |
so I can NOT do that |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: testing a new kernel and didn't test it before i flashed it on the zipit |
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<rkdavis> |
made a booboo and forgot to put the initramfs in |
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<M25> |
rkdavis: gotcha, so basically I can't screw it up |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: nope the chances are miniscule if using a tested kernel |
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<rkdavis> |
it was my own fault, i was impatient and assumed i had done it right so why bother testing |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, i have gone back and forth from OpenZipIt to the Stock kernel, no problems |
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<Lydia`> |
Now I have no reason to do that, i have what I need on rootnexus now |
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<M25> |
so I've copied out the zImage-2.6.29 file to my card and renamed it kernel.bin, along with the autoflasher script |
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<M25> |
and the root of the card looks like |
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<M25> |
modules, kernel.bin, README.TXT, z2script.sh |
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<M25> |
am I good to flash? I can NOT afford to brick this thing on the day I get it |
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<none4now> |
First, flash the zipit. Extract the autoflasher bundle to a fat16 formatted memory card Open Aliosa27's wireless+x+audio.tar.gz file, and copy out the /boot/linux-2.6.29 file to your memory card Rename this file kernel.bin Boot the zipit with the SD card inserted. If this does not start the linux flash, go to settings->reset to default and it should soft-reset |
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<none4now> |
the internet says yes. |
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<M25> |
yes |
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<M25> |
but if you believe the internet |
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<M25> |
the pyramids were built by aliens |
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<M25> |
I'm asking people on IRC |
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<none4now> |
looks great to me, but i'll be doing this tomorrow for the first time ;) |
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<M25> |
which are SO much more reliable |
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<M25> |
rkdavis, Lydia`: look good? |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, is the card formatted as FAT16? |
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<Lydia`> |
and not FAT32 |
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<M25> |
yep |
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<M25> |
works with iz2se |
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<Lydia`> |
yeah that looks fine |
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<M25> |
yahoo then |
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<M25> |
wish me luck |
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<Lydia`> |
btw rootnexus will want Linux Filesystem |
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<Lydia`> |
when you've gotten that far |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, Rots of Ruck to you |
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<Lydia`> |
ext3 i think in any case |
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<M25> |
autoflasher seems to have worked |
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<M25> |
got an OpenZipit POST |
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<none4now> |
giver' |
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<none4now> |
someone send me a beer |
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* |
M25 can in 10 minutes, I turn 21 then |
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<none4now> |
haha nice, happy bday |
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<rkdavis> |
beers on m25 then |
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<none4now> |
ahh the USA, where you can kill people in the name of democracy but u can't drink beer |
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<M25> |
acutally, I don't like beer :p |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll have yours then |
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<M25> |
none4now: where're you from? |
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<none4now> |
canada |
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<M25> |
<obligatory healthcare comment> |
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<none4now> |
haha |
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<M25> |
how long should the dd to the SD card take? |
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<M25> |
it's been ages |
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<Lydia`> |
2 minutes tops |
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<rkdavis> |
depends |
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<Lydia`> |
well i suppose it might |
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<M25> |
even if it's a microSD in a regular SD adapter? |
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<Lydia`> |
that's my experience |
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<M25> |
and the 2GB image |
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<Lydia`> |
I use a MicroSDHC in a MiniSD adapter |
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<M25> |
!!!! |
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<M25> |
you can use HC cards? |
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<rkdavis> |
M25: 10 to 15mins maybe |
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<M25> |
my CPU is still cranking on it |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, yeah you can - I just use a 2GB card for the autoflasher |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, i have an 8GB card for my distro |
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<M25> |
Lydia`: you think a 16GB one would work? |
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<M25> |
I have around 15GB of music |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, i don't see why not |
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<Lydia`> |
M25, 16gb cards are kinda spendy still, ne? |
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<M25> |
I'd only have to buy one |
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<Lydia`> |
Yeah |
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<M25> |
cheaper than a 16GB ipod touch or zune HD, which are the only 2 equivalents |
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<M25> |
I want an mp3 player with wifi and ssh |
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<M25> |
oh, and that can check my email |
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<M25> |
Z2 is the cheapest way to do that |
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<M25> |
shit, I had the SD card mounted when I wrote the image |
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<M25> |
so it didn't work |
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<M25> |
ugh |
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<M25> |
another like 10 minute wait |
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<none4now> |
hurry and you can have a bday 'bash' |
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<none4now> |
get it? get it??? |
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* |
M25 headdesk |
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<none4now> |
<-- clever |
