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<jellow> |
hello, I'm interested in the zipit Z2, though can't find anywhere to buy it in the EU? |
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<jellow> |
has anyone any recommandations? |
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<rkdavis> |
morning GPSFan |
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<marex> |
jellow, hi ... hm, ebay ? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: you around? |
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<Mcavity> |
shh sleeping |
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<rkdavis> |
heh |
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<rkdavis> |
Mcavity: you'll do -- you are running debian? |
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<rkdavis> |
on your zipit |
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<Mcavity> |
yea |
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<Mcavity> |
whats up? |
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<rkdavis> |
can you cut&paste to pastebin the responce from an iwconfig pls |
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<Mcavity> |
im running the rootnexus image |
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<rkdavis> |
ok same diff |
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<rkdavis> |
i just need the output from iwconfig on a debian based rootfs |
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<rkdavis> |
i am testing something in stock and so far i've am at 9hours and counting of battery power idle time |
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<rkdavis> |
with my various powermanagement stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
want to see if some of the stuff can be added to the debian rootfs too |
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<rkdavis> |
in 24minutes i'll hit 10hours of battery life with the zipit about 96% idle |
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<Mcavity> |
trying to rember the username to ssh in |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<Mcavity> |
woot |
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<Mcavity> |
waht did you do ? underclock? |
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<rkdavis> |
nope |
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<rkdavis> |
the underclocking will take alot of effort in stock, probably easier in .29+ |
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<rkdavis> |
i have a program that might do it but it segfaults in stock, i suspect because it's running in userspace and not kernel space |
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<Mcavity> |
let me try installing drop bear.. ive had problems before.. it should be zipitz2 debian.. but not going.. |
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<rkdavis> |
but i am still working on that because with the tweak i have atm plus the screen blanking and underclocking i might be able to get 10+hours of idle and maybe 6+ of continious use |
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<rkdavis> |
from what i was told a few days ago though the biggest drain on the battery are actually the kb leds, they take upto 50% of the battery life in stock |
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<rkdavis> |
i pulled the plug on what i assume was a fully charged zipit at just before 2am this mosrning and went to sleep when my cat woke me at 7:25am it was still powered and it's now 11:45 and it's still powered :) i've been sshing in every now and again to do stuff and unblanking the screen a few times |
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<Mcavity> |
rkdavis yes the kb is a huge drain. speaker is another |
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<rkdavis> |
but as most of the time ppl use the zipit then put it down for a while |
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<rkdavis> |
Mcavity: i need to check if my speaker is on or not, i don't load the modules but it could still be drawing power |
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<rkdavis> |
not sure what state it is in on boot and if not loading the modules stops power from going to it |
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<rkdavis> |
not sure how to turn it off though without loading the modules and setting it up |
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<rkdavis> |
i assume and we all know what that did, no modules no power |
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<rkdavis> |
12 minutes to 10 hours :) |
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<Mcavity> |
how do you change a password for a username? |
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<rkdavis> |
su to the username and then passwd |
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<Mcavity> |
and if you dont knwo the password? |
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<rkdavis> |
well you have root access so su to root |
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<rkdavis> |
then su to user |
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<Mcavity> |
i dont think su is used in rootnexus |
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<Mcavity> |
ok im login as root |
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<rkdavis> |
Change your default passwords USER:PASSWORDS are: user:zipitz2 root:debian At a minimum change the user password. Root logins should not be allowed by default. Open a terminal. Type $ passwd |
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<rkdavis> |
he used userid: user passwd:zipitz2 and userid: root passwd: debian |
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<Mcavity> |
yea got it |
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<Mcavity> |
user zipitz2 |
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<Mcavity> |
ok now what do you want me to put in? |
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<rkdavis> |
iwconfig |
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<rkdavis> |
or iwconfig eth1 isn't it in rootnexus |
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<Mcavity> |
ther eyou go |
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<rkdavis> |
ok thnx |
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<rkdavis> |
ok think i can help to increase idle battery life :) |
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<Mcavity> |
cool |
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<rkdavis> |
type this |
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<rkdavis> |
iwconfig eth1 power on |
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<rkdavis> |
in theory that is supposed to put the wifi into power management mode so when you are not sending or receiving packets it'll move to power power mode |
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<rkdavis> |
and wifi is a big battery hog |
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<Mcavity> |
uhh just seemed to lock up the session |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh |
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<rkdavis> |
not good |
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<rkdavis> |
can you still ssh in from a new session? |
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<Mcavity> |
umm let me re init my wifi |
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<rkdavis> |
it might work differently in debian i guess :( |
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<rkdavis> |
i also have to try against the 3 versions of wifi fw blobs i have too |
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<rkdavis> |
and just hit 10 hours :) |
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<Mcavity> |
well i can see that it did enable power management.. |
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<Mcavity> |
however.. it also seem to drop me off the network |
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<rkdavis> |
ok that's not good, it didn't do that here but i haven't put it into a script yet |
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<rkdavis> |
it looks liek the place to do it would be before the association with the network then |
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<rkdavis> |
just prior to the wpa_supplicant or the iwconfig essid bit |
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<rkdavis> |
another thing that might work and if it does will help with the loss of a bit of tx power is to do iwconfig eth1 txpower 10 |
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<rkdavis> |
and possibly a iwconfig eth1 commit if neccessaey |
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<Mcavity> |
let me reboot |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<Mcavity> |
ok eth1 power on makes it so i cant connect |
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<Mcavity> |
will reboot and try the other one |
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<rkdavis> |
:( |
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<rkdavis> |
oh well i was hoping it would work in debian too, might be a problem with the wifi stuff in debian could also be something else |
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<Mcavity> |
[i droped to shell first.. ran the command.. then try to coneect to network no go timeouts] |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmmm |
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<rkdavis> |
what brand router do you use? |
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<Mcavity> |
dlink |
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<rkdavis> |
and wep, open, wpa....? |
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<Mcavity> |
im going open right now for it |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll have to investigate this when i get time then, would be nice for it to be made to work in debian too |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll have to setup one of my zipits for rootnexus and play for a while |
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<Mcavity> |
ok txpower 10 didnt lock me up and i connected |
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<rkdavis> |
ok do an iwconfig again and see if it's actiually set |
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<rkdavis> |
it didn't error for me but it also didn't change it |
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<rkdavis> |
also the other options to power didn't work for me either |
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<Mcavity> |
sent |
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<rkdavis> |
yup looks liek it isn't currently goign to work on debian/rootnexus :( |
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<Mcavity> |
easy way to see how long the system runs on battery.. |
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<rkdavis> |
what does iwconfig -h give you? |
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<Mcavity> |
run htop tought telnet or ssh.. |
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<rkdavis> |
i don't have htop :( |
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<Mcavity> |
get it. lol |
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<rkdavis> |
ok i'll have to see if it compiles |
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<Mcavity> |
seriously it will tell you exactly how long it lasted. |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll give building it a go |
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<Mcavity> |
i just run htop and walk away.. when the zipit dies the telnet stop updateing the uptime |
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<Mcavity> |
ok im about to crater. need sleep. but sounds liek your on track for some fun stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
ok have a good sleep |
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<dTal> |
10 hours huh |
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<dTal> |
the wifi power management thing might depend on firmware |
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<dTal> |
I have the binary firmware from marvell sidetrack uses, let me have a go |
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<dTal> |
Nope, dumped me off the net irreversably. |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
looks like something kernelly |
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<rkdavis> |
or possibly wifiextensions or wifitoolish |
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<rkdavis> |
i have all 3 know fw blobs although i am certain there is one more out there i seem to remember another one |
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<rkdavis> |
onto 13hours idle |
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<rkdavis> |
well 95% idle and about 40mins cumlative doing stuff other than running my script |
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<rkdavis> |
be nicer to get battery life when using but paperweight mode is still good |
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<rkdavis> |
and 5 4 3 2 1 13hours :) |
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<dTal> |
something in the libertas driver is seriously borked |
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<rkdavis> |
yup its a very old blob and they promised updates apparently but never delivered |
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<rkdavis> |
i prefer the stock zipit fw or second to that the cozybits version |
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<rkdavis> |
but how is it borked for you? |
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<dTal> |
hm I hadn't thought of trying stock |
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<dTal> |
well |
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<dTal> |
when it loses an access point |
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<dTal> |
it's no good ever again until a reboot |
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<dTal> |
fine if you deliberately dissociate |
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<rkdavis> |
wish i had a pudn download account, found what is claimed to be fw source for the 88w8686 gspi but none of the bugmenot accounts work |
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<rkdavis> |
using wpa_supplicant? |
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<dTal> |
yes, but if you quit wpa_supplicant and restart it it still won't connect |
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<rkdavis> |
wpa_cli might be the way to disassociate/reassociate |
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<dTal> |
something about 'resource temporarily unavailable' |
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<rkdavis> |
yup does that in stock, i did have a fix but lost it |
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<rkdavis> |
you could rmmod the drivers and reload them, that will probably work |
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<dTal> |
nope |
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<dTal> |
tried that |
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<dTal> |
hangs |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
there is a gpio you could try too |
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<dTal> |
even a hack so I wouldn't have to reboot would be an improvement |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll see if i can think of something |
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<rkdavis> |
gpio manipulation and module removal might work |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. turn off the power to the wifi then turnit back on and reload might do it |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll see what happens in stock and we'll see |
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<dTal> |
cool |
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<dTal> |
I think it was aliosa, said it was a buffer overflow |
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<dTal> |
seemed to imply it was fixed |
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<dTal> |
you think it's a problem with the binary firmware, or the kernel driver? |
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<dTal> |
they've been messing a lot with libertas recently |
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<rkdavis> |
i actually think it's with the kernel module or wirelesstools |
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<rkdavis> |
i can't seem to get iwpriv to do stuff half the options error |
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<dTal> |
Mmm. When I uboot my zipit I'll try the latest kernel. |
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<rkdavis> |
i think they should sell zipits in 3packs |
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<rkdavis> |
you need one to play wit, one to uboot and one to destroy :) |
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<dTal> |
yeah I was thinking of getting another |
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<dTal> |
...2 or 3... |
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<dTal> |
...or 4 |
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<rkdavis> |
i need to get another because i owe a friend one (promised him one of mine then started to use it and need it) and then a couple more just for the hell of it |
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<dTal> |
btw, you should totally do the rebadge thing. It's eady, makes a change from software and makes it look surprisingly less like a toy |
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<rkdavis> |
the thing is it's really obsolete so we are really working for no reason other than we can and for learning but does it translate into useful knowledge or not? it does but as the pxa27x is no longer available for what |
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<dTal> |
hey, I intend my zipit to be useful |
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<dTal> |
plenty of use in obsolete things |
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<dTal> |
the only part I'd change is the battery, better ones exist |
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<rkdavis> |
yup there is but apart from the techniques to do stuff are we learning anything that translates? we are but then again we aren't :) as alot of stuff is one time workarounds |
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<rkdavis> |
still i enjoy it |
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<rkdavis> |
ok doctor who time |
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<dTal> |
I'm learning a lot anyway |
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<dTal> |
good to keep mentally liber at any rate |
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<dTal> |
*limber |
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<dTal> |
- |
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<Foxx> |
| |
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<Foxx> |
\ |
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* |
Foxx does the shifty eyes and sees if anyone catches on |
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<Foxx> |
meh, anyways. Whats up? |
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<dTal> |
doin stuff with my badge mod |
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<dTal> |
squeezing the screen |
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<dTal> |
hence the '-' |
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<Foxx> |
badge mod? |
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<dTal> |
swapping the z logo for something else |
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<dTal> |
actually trying to make it so you can swap it on the fly |
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<rkdavis> |
w00t 14h30m |
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<dTal> |
my tape-based solution proved unsatisfactory |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: what did you do? |
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<rkdavis> |
just killed it with alot of interwebby stuff because i was bored |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: that's how long the battery lasted in mostly paperweight mode |
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<dTal> |
'paperweight mode'? |
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<rkdavis> |
just sitting there with the odd bit of usage |
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<rkdavis> |
i got bored so did a quick script to cause alot of wifi usage |
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<rkdavis> |
so we already know the battery in usage lasts about 4 hours so i can get a business day of use per charge if i don't continiously use it |
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<dTal> |
that's more than I get lid closed idle |
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<rkdavis> |
yup lidclosed idle wil be the same on mine as i use the same technique |
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<dTal> |
how is 'paperweight mode' different? |
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<rkdavis> |
my lid closed screen off uses the same method as my keypad idle |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: it's not it's just me being a silly bugger |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. paperwirght mode just means idle |
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<dTal> |
except you somehow got ridiculous life out of the battery |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: my screen blanking was giving me 6 to 7 hours so doing the wifi thing is doubling it :) |
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<dTal> |
ahh |
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<dTal> |
wifi |
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<dTal> |
where you put into power management, no? |
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<dTal> |
like as wot don't work on debian |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
but we'll get that sussed |
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<rkdavis> |
probably just need to rebuild wirelesstools and maybe the modules |
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<dTal> |
cpufreq doesn't work either |
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<dTal> |
I wonder how much that would help |
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<rkdavis> |
that stuff probably will all work in mainline |
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<rkdavis> |
might not but i'm hopeful |
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<rkdavis> |
but i don't have time to play with mainline atm, maybe soon though but i'll give debian a go sooner |
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<rkdavis> |
ok store run |
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<rkdavis> |
brb |
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<rkdavis> |
ok back |
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<rkdavis> |
ok charging again so i can test the changes inside the z2script.sh :) |
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<Mcavity> |
my zipit ran 5:h 57 min |
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<rkdavis> |
Mcavity: on my next test -- not touching it except once an hour to do and uptime and do an ls |
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<Mcavity> |
heh ok |
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<rkdavis> |
htop won't give me a maximum value which i want to find |
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<Mcavity> |
? |
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<Mcavity> |
what value? |
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<rkdavis> |
the maximum idle value |
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<Mcavity> |
it gives a load average though |
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<rkdavis> |
i don't want that |
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<rkdavis> |
i want time |
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<Mcavity> |
it gives uptime time |
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<rkdavis> |
once i knwo battey life at 100% idle |
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<rkdavis> |
yes it gives uptime when the system is doing stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
the whole point is to find uptime when it's not |
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<rkdavis> |
running a program is going something especially if it's via ssh |
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<rkdavis> |
that's not the aim of the test |
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<rkdavis> |
the aim of the test is to find the maximum life of the battery when the zipit is sitting doing notrhing not even wifi |
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<Mcavity> |
without loosing the wifi connection? |
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<rkdavis> |
well if you use wpa_supplicant it doesn't seem to drop, iwconfig does iwconfig is very flakey for wifi |
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<rkdavis> |
when i used iwconfig for wifi i would drop fairly regularly sometimes every couple of minutes |
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<Mcavity> |
ahhh |
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<rkdavis> |
wpa_supplicant i can stay connected for days |
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<rkdavis> |
i think my record was 15 days without a drop but i had to reboot |
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<rkdavis> |
so i don't know if it would have stayed conencted or not |
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<rkdavis> |
i will be running a test later where i have something like top running over ssh and then top running on the zipit -- see what the difference is |
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<Mcavity> |
heh. well i havent had much problem with staying connect in general at least not so i noticed =) but if moving over to wpa_supplicant can boost batt life i say go for it |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: you mentioned you preferred the stock wifi fw to the cozybit fw |
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<dTal> |
any reason apart from liking stock? |
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<rkdavis> |
well i'm testing with libertas atm |
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<dTal> |
libertas being the oss firmware? |
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<rkdavis> |
i used cozybit in oe but as i am using stock i just used that until last night |
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<dTal> |
cozybit is definitely better for me |
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<rkdavis> |
libertas being the blob that marvell gave to the oss wifi ppl |
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<dTal> |
cozybit comes from marvell too doesn't it? |
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<rkdavis> |
libertas seems to be a couple of months older than cozybit |
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<rkdavis> |
yup everything comes from marvell |
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<dTal> |
now here I was thinking libertas was a linux kernel module |
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<rkdavis> |
they are the only onces with the fw source other than ppl under nda's |
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<rkdavis> |
well pudn has what they claim is the fw source but whether it is or not i dunno and i cna't get an acocunt to grab it |
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<rkdavis> |
well i could but don't want to pay and don't have stuff to upload |
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<rkdavis> |
and can't find a hacked account |
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<dTal> |
ah not a module but in the firmware tree |
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<rkdavis> |
the firmware is loaded by the kernel module |
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<rkdavis> |
marvell supply the binary firmware |
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<rkdavis> |
but no source |
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<dTal> |
I'm surprised the firmware versions have such different performance |
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<dTal> |
I get significantly fewer dropouts, better range etc with cozybit |
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<rkdavis> |
well it is newer than the stock |
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<dTal> |
I usually use my zipit two floors away from the AP, really marginal signal, so it's really saliant |
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<rkdavis> |
my router is about 10 foot away |
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<rkdavis> |
but my zipit picks up an ap 5 floors away and across the road |
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<dTal> |
I'll try stock firmware |
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<rkdavis> |
zipit put a couple of mods into the fw by the looks of their kernel and wifi patches |
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<rkdavis> |
nothing to large but a couple of tweaks by the looks of it |
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<dTal> |
who knows, maybe power management would work |
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<dTal> |
incidentally why is there a udev rule to make the wifi 'eth1'? I changed so it's 'eth0' and it works fine |
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<rkdavis> |
yup it will do, just debian thus rootnexus/sidetrack etc use eth1 |
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<dTal> |
The rule looked as if it were making allowances for other chipsets that might be there, renaming them so they wouldn't collide |
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<rkdavis> |
we just use eth0 really we should be using wlan0 iirc but not a biggy |
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<dTal> |
but that's silly since the hardware will never change and even if it did (i.e. usb wlan) udev would sort it |
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<dTal> |
just seems gratuitously unaesthetic |
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<rkdavis> |
well talk to the ppl who do the debian rootfs then :) |
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<dTal> |
they never hang out in here |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27 does |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph has disappeared and yes the sidetrack person is never here |
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<dTal> |
aliosa27: why is the wireless eth1? |
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<dTal> |
ah see it's no use |
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<dTal> |
I found a weird problem/workaround btw which may explain some of the people who's userlands are acting weird who've been turning up in here from time to tim |
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<dTal> |
my zipit, when plugged in, takes 3 minutes to boot, spits out a bunch of errors in dmesg, finishes booting with barely any ram free, and unreliable/nonfunctional wifi |
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<dTal> |
booting on battery takes about 30 seconds, copious ram free even though I'm on debian (I trimmed the boot a bit :) and working wifi and few dmesg complaints |
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<dTal> |
obviously being plugged in mucks up init somehow, and that throws a script off |
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<dTal> |
then the script goes off burning time, eating ram, and not doing its job |
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<dTal> |
(aside - why the hell do we assign important system initialisation tasks to an interpreted language designed for interactive use?) |
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<rkdavis> |
because the devs are hippies? |
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<dTal> |
too right |
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<absamide> |
Oops. |
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