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<hunternet93> |
k |
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<hunternet93> |
i'll try that, thanks |
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<geordy> |
too bad rk isn't here to confirm that |
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<hunternet93> |
i'll try it |
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<geordy> |
what userland were you using? |
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<hunternet93> |
umm |
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<hunternet93> |
debian one i forgot its name |
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<hunternet93> |
but i'll just use the terminal |
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<geordy> |
rootnexus? |
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<geordy> |
sidetrack? |
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<hunternet93> |
rootnexus |
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<geordy> |
cool, just curious |
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<hunternet93> |
i like the zipit but i need something more powerful, so im selling it |
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<geordy> |
hmm |
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<geordy> |
you should just sell it pre-hacked |
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<geordy> |
the zipit has a ton of potential that has yet to be achieved from what I can tell |
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<hunternet93> |
i'll include the option |
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<hunternet93> |
i just need to make sure i can get the original firmware on it too |
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<hunternet93> |
so... if you happen to want another zipit look on ebay in a day or so :) |
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<hunternet93> |
i have to go to sleep now |
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<hunternet93> |
thanks for the help, bye! |
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<kloplop321> |
geordy: Well.. it IS charging, slowly. |
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<kloplop321> |
you can only do so much with half an amp. |
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<kloplop321> |
now waiting for a microsd to mini sd case to come in the mail(Just ordered) so I can root it |
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<azend_> |
how hard is it to modifiy the bootloader? |
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<Coolty> |
hi |
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<geordy> |
hi |
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<Coolty> |
anyone here selling a zipit z2? :D |
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<geordy> |
yeah |
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<geordy> |
hunternet93 is. you just missed him |
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<geordy> |
lol |
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<Coolty> |
oh |
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<Coolty> |
for how much, did he say? |
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<geordy> |
dunno |
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<Coolty> |
hmm. does he come here often? |
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<Coolty> |
i'll pay like 20-30$ |
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<geordy> |
he said he was going to put it on ebay in the next day or two |
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<Coolty> |
;( |
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<Coolty> |
oic |
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<geordy> |
oddly they seem to hold their value |
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<Coolty> |
yeah, strange |
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<geordy> |
you can easily get a z1 on ebay for $30 |
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<Coolty> |
ew z1 |
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<Coolty> |
already had one of those |
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<geordy> |
yeah, exactly |
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<Coolty> |
had a z2 too |
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<Coolty> |
but sold both of them |
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<Coolty> |
now i want the z2 back since progress has been made on hacking it |
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<geordy> |
how much did you get for your z2? |
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<Coolty> |
(fceu ultra) |
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<Coolty> |
oh, by sold i mean i gave it away to my 13 year old cousin at xmas |
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<Coolty> |
lol |
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<geordy> |
bummer |
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<Coolty> |
yeah |
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<Coolty> |
but, i bought 2 didj's off woot a bit ago for 15$ each |
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<Coolty> |
progress is being made on that device too |
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<geordy> |
yeah, I saw that deal |
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<geordy> |
I passed it though |
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<Coolty> |
aw |
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<geordy> |
I hope I don't kick myself later |
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<Coolty> |
lol hope not |
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<geordy> |
but I like the zipit better I think |
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<LokiChaosE> |
I'm glad I hit up every target in the Atlanta area... I have 4 Z2's :) |
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<geordy> |
keyboard and wifi |
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<Coolty> |
well, the didj is more for like, gaming |
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<Coolty> |
NES, GB, etc |
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<Coolty> |
the z2 is more for like, IRC, AIM, music |
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<Coolty> |
etc |
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<geordy> |
but has anyone got a nesemu on the diji? |
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<Coolty> |
not yet |
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<Coolty> |
BUT: |
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<Coolty> |
it has the same cpu as the gp2x wiz |
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<Coolty> |
so, that looks promising |
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<Coolty> |
only slower clockrate |
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<geordy> |
yeah, in that sense |
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<geordy> |
but there is some silly sub-application later to work through I though |
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<geordy> |
+t |
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<geordy> |
the brio or whatever |
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<Coolty> |
Oh, that |
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<Coolty> |
the cart? |
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<geordy> |
I was just reading this page http://hackaday.com/2010/02/01/leapfrog-didj-handheld-linux-on-the-cheap/ |
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<geordy> |
the "abstraction layer" |
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<Coolty> |
well i mean, ideally, what will happen is they will replace the stock firmware with their own custom one |
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<Coolty> |
and not even bother with that |
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<geordy> |
yeah |
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<geordy> |
if they do, then I'll kick myself for not grabbing a $15 one |
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<geordy> |
heheh |
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<geordy> |
then again, if I can emu on the zipit, I shouldn't worry |
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<Coolty> |
yeah but the controls on the zipit are not really meant for gaming |
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<Coolty> |
then again, it wasn't meant to run debian but it does now, lol |
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<geordy> |
is openembedded dead or what? |
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<Coolty> |
geordy, dunno, sure seems that way though. |
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<Coolty> |
I prefer debian though |
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<Coolty> |
apt-get |
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<Coolty> |
beats the hell out of bitbake anyday |
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<Coolty> |
unless you like spending hours compiling a program |
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<rkdavis> |
cable tv an dinternet is out in my house all apts :( no tech to come until wednesday so haveing to leech off really poor ap |
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<rkdavis> |
GPSFan: morning |
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<rkdavis> |
what time does your mail arrive today? |
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<smartasstronaut_> |
anybody know where i can get a key layout diagram? |
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<LokiChaosE> |
which distro are you using? |
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<LokiChaosE> |
this might be accurate (in X): http://imagebin.org/92008 |
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<rkdavis> |
and this might be in tty/console http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/zipitkeymap-template.pdf and between them they are probably 70% right |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<smartasstronaut_> |
the rootnexus |
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<rkdavis> |
smartasstronaut_: it will probably be a mix of the two then although you could d/l and install LokiChaos's keymap that matches his image though (along with the latest z2mouse so yu know that is correct too) |
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<smartasstronaut_> |
thanks, i'll look into that, although i'm just glad it's working :-) |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<geordy> |
rk: which dev environment are you using to compile for the zipit? |
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<rkdavis> |
scratchbox in a ubuntu vm |
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<rkdavis> |
but i also have buildroot and openembedded in a vm |
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<rkdavis> |
and fwl |
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<geordy> |
scratchbox is your preference? |
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<rkdavis> |
geordy: for what i am doing yes but for proper stuff or kernel then buildroot or for a full distro the oe |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm trying to see if fwl will work better than scratchbox though as scratchbox is basically abandoned for anything but mameo |
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<geordy> |
I actually just want to build some packages |
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<geordy> |
I'll take on a kernel rebuild once I figure out the packages |
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<rkdavis> |
you are rootnexus/sidetrack/aliosa27 thus emdebian grip so you might like to google that to see how to setup the dev tools |
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<rkdavis> |
http://jalopnik.com/5513673/the-most-hilarious-used-ford-focus-ad-ever lol |
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<geordy> |
I've been googling all over the place. So far I've come up with OE, crosstools, crosstools-ng & scratchbox. |
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<rkdavis> |
http://www.emdebian.org/grip/ that's thebasis of all the debian based distros for the zipit as its what aliosa27 used initialy to setup his debian rootfs |
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<geordy> |
so will scratchbox not work for me at all? |
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<geordy> |
or is it just questionable |
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<rkdavis> |
ppl have had mixed success with my binaries built in sb on the debian based rootfs |
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<geordy> |
eww |
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<rkdavis> |
about 50/50 whether they run or not |
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<rkdavis> |
even when statically compiled so i wouldn't bother with sb |
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<geordy> |
ok. I can't make it through the install anyhow |
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<geordy> |
I'm sick of all this broken shit with broken docs |
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<geordy> |
it's getting pretty old |
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<geordy> |
I haven't made it through a single toolchain install yet |
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<geordy> |
like I tried OE and wgets in the Makefile pointed to stuff that doesn't even exist |
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<rkdavis> |
well if you revert to stock then you could use ray's dev vm that is scratchbox and known to work |
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<rkdavis> |
and if you upgrade to uboot bootloader then buiuldroot although tempermental is known to work |
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<geordy> |
I couldn't get that VM working either |
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<geordy> |
although I didn't try terribly hard |
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<geordy> |
I think there is just a lot of confusing, overcomplicated info out there |
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<geordy> |
I THINK I got a proper toolchain on here |
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<geordy> |
although it's weird to me it uses libc instead of like uclibc |
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<geordy> |
but I don't really understand this stuff enough yet to pass a judgement |
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<geordy> |
ls |
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<geordy> |
oops |
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<azend> |
how do you edit the configs of the bootloader? |
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<rkdavis> |
azend: you don't |
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<rkdavis> |
unless you have jtag/serial |
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<azend> |
:( |
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<rkdavis> |
the new u-boot marex has built will let you use scripts thogh |
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<azend> |
too bad |
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<geordy> |
so will u-boot boot both types of userlands? |
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<azend> |
I just wanted to add some features |
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<rkdavis> |
but i think it's not quite ready for prime time yet -- he thought it wa sbut he forgot a patch i think he said |
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<rkdavis> |
geordy: well yes but what it is really for is to let us use mainline kernel |
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<rkdavis> |
without u-boot upgrade you are stuck with a .29 kernel as the highest |
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<rkdavis> |
so you should be ok with the rootfs's but you might need to make sure the required modules are built |
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<geordy> |
ic |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e the events ones |
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<geordy> |
one thing at a time here then ;) |
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<geordy> |
sooo, this is an noob question... |
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<rkdavis> |
woohoo the new doctor who episode is 2mins from finishing downloading |
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<geordy> |
now that I think I have the toolchain installed, how do I use it? |
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<geordy> |
make ARCH=sparc CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- ? |
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<geordy> |
er |
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<rkdavis> |
depends on what you are building |
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<geordy> |
not the sparc part |
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<rkdavis> |
if it uses configure scripts you'll probably fail |
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<rkdavis> |
if it's a simple makefile then you are pretty much right |
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<geordy> |
so then with a configure script? |
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<rkdavis> |
but you'll probably need to start with libs so they'll be mostly configure scripts so you'll have problems |
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<geordy> |
do I have to change a bunch of stuff or fee it some argument? |
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<rkdavis> |
configure scripts need to run on the device (or through an emulator) but all this depends on your cross compile environment |
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<geordy> |
I have all the cross-libs too |
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<rkdavis> |
which is why thing slike scratchbox, buildroot and oe exist |
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<geordy> |
on my debian vm |
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<rkdavis> |
you'll still need things like ncurses libs and glib2 etc which won't be in cross libs |
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<geordy> |
sorry to puke in the irc but: |
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<geordy> |
Setting up gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi-base (4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi (2.18.1~cvs20080103-7) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up cpp-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi (4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up libc6-dev-armel-cross (2.7-18) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up libgcc1-armel-cross (1:4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up libc6-armel-cross (2.7-18) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up gcc-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi (4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up libstdc++6-armel-cross (4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up libstdc++6-4.3-dev-armel-cross (4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
Setting up g++-4.3-arm-linux-gnueabi (4.3.2-1.1) ... |
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<geordy> |
that's what I have |
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<rkdavis> |
np -- ok you have the basics now to add the libs |
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<geordy> |
ideally, I'd like to just build gcc and shove it on the zipit |
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<geordy> |
at some point anyways |
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<rkdavis> |
well you could take a look at firmwarelinux prebuild toolchains for armv4l (or v5l) and try one of them on the zipit although it won't be fun |
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<geordy> |
I've had plenty of not fun for a while |
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<rkdavis> |
as you ar eusing debian you should talk to dTal iirc he was compiling on his zipit |
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<geordy> |
Can't say that I've seen him on here |
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<rkdavis> |
on rootnexus |
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<rkdavis> |
he pops up now and again, saw him yesterday |
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<geordy> |
ic |
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<geordy> |
ls |
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<geordy> |
doh!@ |
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<rkdavis> |
he apt got gcc and some stuff increased his swap and compiled away |
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<rkdavis> |
i believe |
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<geordy> |
apt-get gcc is broken |
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<geordy> |
perhaps it wasn't always broken though |
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<rkdavis> |
you might like to look at firmwarelinux then, it is like scratchbox but also has native prebuild binaries for gcc etc. |
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<geordy> |
curious, what is arm vs. armel? |
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<rkdavis> |
but really as you are on debian you shoudl be using the emdebian stuff and not a standalone toolchain |
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<rkdavis> |
arm is generic |
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<rkdavis> |
armel is little endian and armeb is bigendian |
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<rkdavis> |
and then you have armv?te which i forget what is and armv?l and armv?b |
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<geordy> |
so does it matter which I use? |
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<rkdavis> |
for arm cpu versions and their endianess |
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<geordy> |
arm or armel? |
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<rkdavis> |
yes the zipit si little endian |
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<rkdavis> |
so you cna use arm or armel or armv4l or armv5l |
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<geordy> |
ic |
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<rkdavis> |
but arm is the msot generic |
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<rkdavis> |
the others are levels of genericness |
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<geordy> |
is armel better for bins that are ONLY going to be used on the zipit then? |
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<rkdavis> |
arm then armel then armv4l then armv5l/armv5te iirc |
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<rkdavis> |
nope armv4l or armv5l or armv5te are the best for stuff only on the zipit |
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<rkdavis> |
they are the most specific |
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<rkdavis> |
i use armv4l on fwl and i think sb does v4l too but debian uses 5te and v5l iirc |
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<rkdavis> |
it gets complicated and confusing so many options |
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<geordy> |
yikes |
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<geordy> |
for the life of me, I can't get a configure script to look at my toolchain. |
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<geordy> |
geordy@debian:~/hello-2.6$ ./configure --target arm-linux |
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<geordy> |
is that not right? |
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<geordy> |
it keeps coming back with checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu |
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<geordy> |
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu |
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<geordy> |
feels like I'm so close now though at least :) |
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<Marex> |
--target=... ? |
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<kloplop321> |
geordy: the usb charger charged it overnight it seems |
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<geordy> |
awesome klop! glad to hear you didn't fry anything. I should build a charger like that since the included one is such a POS |
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<geordy> |
rk! you aren't actually doing something constructive away from your computer on saturday are you? |
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<geordy> |
marex: tried --target= no difference |
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<geordy> |
no error even. it just ignores me |
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<Marex> |
geordy: what are you compiling ? |
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<geordy> |
fricken hello world |
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<geordy> |
lol |
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<geordy> |
the one of the gnu site |
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<geordy> |
hello-2.6 |
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<geordy> |
*off |
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<Marex> |
CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi- |
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<Marex> |
you don't need configure for that I assume |
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<geordy> |
it has a configure script |
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<Marex> |
geordy: what are you trying to achieve ? |
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<geordy> |
trying to test my toolchain |
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<geordy> |
I just installed it. I've not successfully cross compiled anything yet |
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<geordy> |
I used to be able to build kernels in my sleep but this is confusing to me |
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<Marex> |
arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc hello.c -o world ; scp world yourdevice:. ; ssh yourdevice -c ./world |
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<geordy> |
what about other packages though like dosbox or something more complex that DOES require the configure script? |
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<Marex> |
geordy: you use your distribution-preffered-way to compile packages |
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<geordy> |
so putting gcc on the device is ideal? |
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<Marex> |
geordy: no ... you can crosscompile |
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<Marex> |
look at OpenEmbedded, they have whole framework for crosscompilation |
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<geordy> |
I looked, I tried, it failed |
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<geordy> |
I'm using a debian-based userland anyhow |
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<geordy> |
sidetrack |
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<geordy> |
so I got the emdebian toolchain off apt-get |
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<Marex> |
look at emdebian ... might help |
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<geordy> |
I have it, I just don't have the first clue how to use it |
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<geordy> |
installing it is documented fine |
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<geordy> |
but actually using it is not documented anywhere as far as I can tell |
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<Marex> |
try going through the emdebian website |
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<Marex> |
there's something about customization etc |
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<geordy> |
\j |
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<geordy> |
oops |
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<kloplop321> |
I wish the zipit used standard SD or microSD cards... not minSD |
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<geordy> |
I've been buying the kingston cards that work all three ways |
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<kloplop321> |
yeah, well I have kingston cards that only are from microsd to standard |
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<kloplop321> |
I even have a 128MB class 1 SD here that I can't really use :P |
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<geordy> |
well you only need one minisd adapter anyhow, right? |
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<kloplop321> |
yes, and I get to wait for it. |
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<geordy> |
I bought a cool new reader a couple of days ago from kingston. http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-microSDHC-Memory-Reader-FCR-MRG2/dp/B0028R3NCU |
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<kloplop321> |
cool, I have a microSD reader that came with my R4 for my DS |
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<geordy> |
don't you have a kinkos or a nearby local store you can buy a cheapie 1gb microsd with a mini adapter? |
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<kloplop321> |
a printing and copying store owned by fedex has microsd cards? |
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<geordy> |
yeah |
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<geordy> |
mine does at least |
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<kloplop321> |
pretty sure there is one around. |
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<kloplop321> |
I could use this dumb gift card for Best buy actually. |
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<geordy> |
I like that new kingston reader since it makes an awesome tiny thumbdrive too |
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<kloplop321> |
oh, mine isn't SDHC, didn't notice that. |
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<geordy> |
yeah, go to bestbuy. shouldn't cost over $10-$15 anyhow |
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<geordy> |
kingston even has a kit with this reader, a micro card and a full sd adapter that I saw |
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<geordy> |
I want to say it was 4gb for like $22 |
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<geordy> |
even better http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Mobility-Kit-microSDHC-Adapters/dp/B0028R2I5S/ref=pd_cp_e_3 |
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<geordy> |
that's the kit I was thinking of |
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<geordy> |
kinkos has that |
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<geordy> |
ymmv |
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<geordy> |
honestly you can't have too many microsd cards and adapters laying around these days |
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<geordy> |
nice to be able to swap in another userland |
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<kloplop321> |
My best buy card has $15 on it. |
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<geordy> |
well that should get you a card and an adapter at least |
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kloplop321 doesn't like best buy's prices |
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<geordy> |
can't find minisd there anyhow |
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<geordy> |
radioshack actually has some kickass deals on memory sometimes |
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<kloplop321> |
hmm |
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<geordy> |
I've beaten/matched amazon prices from time to time |
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<kloplop321> |
found only one on there. too expensive anyhow. |
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<geordy> |
call your kinkos |
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<geordy> |
see what they have |
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<geordy> |
I know it's a funny place to go looking but it's one of the only places in walking distance from me that has memory cards |
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<smartasstronaut> |
hey |
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<smartasstronaut> |
will apt-get upgrade break my rootnexus system? |
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<geordy> |
shouldn't |
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<geordy> |
I think I tried that on sidetrack |
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<kloplop321> |
makes me wonder, how well will squid3 work on the zipit? |
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<smartasstronaut> |
ok, i saw a comment on hunterdavis site where someone said it broke |
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<geordy> |
hmmm, maybe you shouldn't then |
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<geordy> |
until someone else pipes in on here |
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<smartasstronaut> |
it may not have been with root nexus image though |
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<kloplop321> |
geordy: how well does normal apache2 work on the zipit? |
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<geordy> |
I haven't tried apache2 yet so I can't say. I know there is at least one site out there running off a z1 though |
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<kloplop321> |
Well, I don't mean like an entire site. |
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<kloplop321> |
I am mainly wondering about squid3 though.. |
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<smartasstronaut> |
i'm an update whore, so i guess i'll post if it works or not |
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<geordy> |
heheh. I hope you haven't put too much time into your userland in case you have to reflash |
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<kloplop321> |
why are you calling it 'userland'? |
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<smartasstronaut> |
over 200 packages , nah, i just got it yesterday, and online today |
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* |
smartasstronaut fingers crossed |
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<smartasstronaut> |
hehe....sorry, reflex |
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<smartasstronaut> |
yay, update worked |
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<kloplop321> |
are you on IRC on your zipit? |
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<smartasstronaut> |
yeah |
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<kloplop321> |
ah, |
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<kloplop321> |
btw, how fast is it? |
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<smartasstronaut> |
took over 30 minutes |
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<kloplop321> |
no no, I mean like from start up to internet and IRC |
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<smartasstronaut> |
not really sure, maybe 3 or 4 minutes |
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<geordy> |
anyone on here besides rkdavis using scratchbox? |
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<smartasstronaut> |
im no dev |
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<geordy> |
me either. hence the problems I'm having I'm sure |
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<smartasstronaut> |
all i could contribute is hookers and blow j/k |
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<geordy> |
sounds like a party |
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<kloplop321> |
I'm just a PHP coder and web dev, not device |
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<smartasstronaut> |
shipping for hookers is outragous |
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<geordy> |
I like php |
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<kloplop321> |
I do too |
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<geordy> |
it makes sense to me |
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<kloplop321> |
though I heard that Python is pretty good too |
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<geordy> |
so is perl |
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<kloplop321> |
I can do anything I want to in PHP |
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<geordy> |
as long as it's on a web page ;) |
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<kloplop321> |
I use PHP all the time for command line stuff too |
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<smartasstronaut> |
i want to learn python, i hear its good to start with |
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<kloplop321> |
do not start with basic... |
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<kloplop321> |
basic is bad. |
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<kloplop321> |
that is what I started with :( |
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<geordy> |
heheh. I started with basic |
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<geordy> |
which is why I'm no dev |
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<smartasstronaut> |
lol |
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<geordy> |
basic isn't bad for certain things though |
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<geordy> |
like it's good for microcontrollers |
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<kloplop321> |
geordy: do you use regex at all? |
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<kloplop321> |
asm is good for microcontrollers ;) |
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<geordy> |
basic is quicker though |
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<geordy> |
nope, I don't use regex although it sounds awefully familiar |
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<geordy> |
I take that back. I use a little |
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<kloplop321> |
depends on who you are talking to. the guy I know(in another channel) will literally rewrite a parser in asm just to efficiently unswizzle data(from a graphics unit) and do shader effects on it |
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<kloplop321> |
I love regex, so useful for extracting and removing data |
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<geordy> |
I wish I could magically be that talented in ASM |
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<kloplop321> |
he is a depressed german that sometimes does paintball. |
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<geordy> |
I really hate IDE's though |
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<geordy> |
that's what I like about php. A text editor and a command line and you have code |
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<kloplop321> |
I've already coded a few functions that strip pages completely of any decoration leaving only the content and some of the formatting(like divs and such, but with only classes, no style="") |
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<geordy> |
IDE's just confuse the issues for small programs |
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<smartasstronaut> |
isnt that most languages though |
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<geordy> |
can you even do java without an IDE? |
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<geordy> |
lol |
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<kloplop321> |
geordy: when pressed for time and I'm in the command line I use nano ;) |
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<geordy> |
yeah, I've always liked pico |
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<geordy> |
which is nano now I guess |
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<geordy> |
it's reminiscent of edit.exe |
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<geordy> |
which I grew up on |
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<kloplop321> |
if you want to run in the command line and get stuff from the users do like $var = trim(fgets(STDIN)); however it does NOT like to be run inside of for loops(use while loops instead) |
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<kloplop321> |
I believe I made a video tutorial on that one |
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<LokiChaosE> |
you can code java w/o an IDE |
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<LokiChaosE> |
I just use nano or vi |
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<kloplop321> |
yep |
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<kloplop321> |
just gotta remember the command line tools to create the class files |
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<LokiChaosE> |
I've done a little ASM, but I don't do much coding... I like C best |
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<kloplop321> |
I can do C decently. I worked on an infer red keyboard driver project for the PSP 1000 homebrew scene |
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<kloplop321> |
very interesting, working with macro engines and keymapping |
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<LokiChaosE> |
I did some work with mouse support for the TI-89 back in the day |
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<kloplop321> |
serial? |
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<LokiChaosE> |
still have self-powered adapter for using a PS/2 mouse with it |
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<LokiChaosE> |
kinda pointless as nothing was really written to use a mouse... but an interesting exercise |
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<LokiChaosE> |
my latest project is working on a custom DWM for my Eee PC |
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<geordy> |
I developed an interface in perl for configuring a linux server via a 6 button keypad and a serial lcd screen |
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<geordy> |
but that was ages ago and I don't remember most of it |
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<LokiChaosE> |
one day I'll learn perl |
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<Marex> |
uboot is screwed |
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<Marex> |
sheesh |
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<Marex> |
:( |
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<Marex> |
or rather ... it's either uboot or gcc, one of those, but there's something wrong |
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<kloplop321> |
ok, I have a miniSD card, and now to find the step-by-step guide to setting up linux on the Zipit |
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kloplop321 has found a guide by hunterdavis |
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<kloplop321> |
so why do I have to extract the kernel from the image as root? |
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<geordy> |
keep at it marex. I'm sure you'll sort it out |
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<geordy> |
klop: this guy seems pretty good http://quantumlime.com/zipit |
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<geordy> |
*guide |
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<kloplop321> |
am I supposed to use a non-sdhc card for the kernel.bin thing? |
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<geordy> |
so where did you end up getting your minisd? |
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<geordy> |
nah, you can use an sdhc card I think |
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<kloplop321> |
walmart did not have it, and guess what, kinkos was next door, and they had it in a back corner :P |
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<LokiChaosE> |
I've been using microSDHC w/ a miniSD adapter, I think most are using those |
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<kloplop321> |
I must have done something wrong because I am not getting any console here. |
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<kloplop321> |
got it! |
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<kloplop321> |
and power down. |
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<kloplop321> |
so where are these 1-2 GB archives on sourceforge? |
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<kloplop321> |
found it. |
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<kloplop321> |
Now to download at 1MB/s |
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<Marex> |
kloplop321: seems the server is quite slow |
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<LokiChaos> |
what's a good hexeditor for linux? |
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<kloplop321> |
I used one before, but I don't remember which |
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<geordy> |
funny that kinkos came through afterall |
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<kloplop321> |
yeah.. |
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<Marex> |
:~$ apt-cache search hexedit |
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<Marex> |
hexedit - view and edit files in hexadecimal or in ASCII |
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<Marex> |
hexer - An interactive binary editor with a Vi-like interface |
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<Marex> |
ht - Viewer/editor/analyser (mostly) for executables |
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<Marex> |
okteta - hexeditor for binary files for KDE 4 |
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<Marex> |
ncurses-hexedit - Edit files/disks in hex, ASCII and EBCDIC |
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<Marex> |
khexedit - KDE hex editor |
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<LokiChaosE> |
I went with hexer and ncurses-hexedit, so depending on my mood I can pick |
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<kloplop321> |
I am having doubts that the zipit would be able to handle kde4 |
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<Foxx> |
what made you think it could run KDE in the first place? |
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<kloplop321> |
I never thought it could. |
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<LokiChaosE> |
oh, this wasn't for my zipit, but I did put hexer on the Z2 |
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<Foxx> |
kloplop321, good answer |
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<Foxx> |
ive had people ask me how to install ubuntu on it |
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<LokiChaosE> |
heh, poor little thing would be swapping so much :x |
