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<user_> |
test |
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<user_> |
holy crap it works |
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<Coolty> |
omg! |
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<Coolty> |
what does. |
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<rkdavis1> |
morning all |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
Hello all |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
anybody got a suggestion for a alternate terminal? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
running to store, be back later, feel free to leave me a opinion |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
back, I will ask again, anybody got a suggestion for a alternate terminal? |
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<dTal> |
Not sure what you mean. A terminal is a terminal. Do you mean a terminal emulator? |
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<dTal> |
To run inside X? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
na, the default terminal has no history when closed |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
like terminator, but terminator is too heavy |
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<adnyxo> |
xterm? eterm? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
cool, I will give them try, thanks |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
I live and die by my terminal history |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
terminator is cool cause you can slip the "window" and have two sessions in one view with a keyboard combo, but it wanted to download 24megs |
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<des> |
DoorToDoorGeek: check out screen, that's the way to do it |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
roger that |
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<adnyxo> |
roger what DoorToDoorGeek |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
(03:12:37 PM) des: DoorToDoorGeek: check out screen, that's the way to do it |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea, I am slow |
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<g8787> |
does anyone have gcc working ON there zipit? |
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<g8787> |
*their |
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<g8787> |
grabbing the package from apt-get brings up a broken dep for me |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
what package? |
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<g8787> |
libc6-dev I think |
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<g8787> |
let me look again |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
I have installed 3-4, all returned errors by the end but everything is working |
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<g8787> |
when I try to apt-get install gcc, it gives me back: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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<g8787> |
gcc: Depends: gcc-4.4 (>= 4.4.3-1) but it is not going to be installed |
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<g8787> |
Recommends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or |
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<g8787> |
libc-dev |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
k, I will try |
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<g8787> |
btw, I'm running irongeek's sidetrack distro |
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<g8787> |
it's based on rootnexus though so I'm not sure what difference there would be |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
ahh, I am running nexus userland image |
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<g8787> |
does gcc install for you? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
just finished, nope, same error |
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<g8787> |
ah, ok. I don't feel so bad now |
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<g8787> |
I've been trying to build a cross compiler on my ubuntu VM but haven't had any luck with that either |
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<g8787> |
using crosstools-ng |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
gottcha, how is sidetrack? |
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<g8787> |
it's pretty cool actually. Not everything works but I think nexus is that way too, isn't it? |
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<g8787> |
power management is pretty borken for instance |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
everything on the menus work, but only has 8-10 apps listed, oh yea, youtube viewer doesn't work |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea |
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<g8787> |
yeah, youtube doesn't work on sidetrack either |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
one thing I found on the site was ubuntu for android devices, I wish I had a droid just to try it |
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<g8787> |
I think the keymap on sidetrack is different too. For instance, can you make a percent sign on yours? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
if I can make a percent I do not know how |
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<g8787> |
still cool little machines. The price is right at least |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea 50$ is great, where is your percent key? |
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<g8787> |
there isn't one I can figure |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
oh, ok |
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<g8787> |
it's supposed to be alt-shift-x or something |
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<g8787> |
but that doesn't work |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea |
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<g8787> |
so have you built any packages for yours on a crosscompiler yet or are you just running through the pre-existing packages on apt-get so far? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
pre-existing packages on apt-get |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
just got it 2 days ago |
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<g8787> |
oic |
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<g8787> |
I've had this a couple weeks now but not been able to do too much with it. My linux is a little rusty I guess |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
I am actually a linux newb (only 5 years deep), I don't dig in unless something is broke, so I have limited knowledge |
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<g8787> |
I bought this to use sidetrack and learn about the tools that he put into it |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
I do like it as a irc/podcast tool |
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<g8787> |
my IRC skills are REALLY rusty |
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<g8787> |
I haven't really used IRC in nearly 15 years |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
dang, that is a while |
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<g8787> |
glad to see it's still going strong |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea, I just got into irc less then a year ago |
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<g8787> |
I kind of dropped it when icq got big but I probably shouldn't have |
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<g8787> |
one thing I'd recommend that you put on your zipit is lynx browser if you haven't already |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
I think that might be the default browser, I think |
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<g8787> |
nah, it's a text based command line web browser |
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<g8787> |
it's really quick on a device like that |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
gottcha, it has a browser that wants to run mobile sites |
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<absamide> |
links and links2 are typically installed on most of the zipit stuff. |
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<g8787> |
as opposed to lynx? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
my only gripe, the default terminal has no history pre session |
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<g8787> |
hmm. could that be changed in a .bashrc or something? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
not sure |
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<g8787> |
the settings for that appear to be in there. Take a look |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
ok, I will as soon as I get fstab to automount a second partition |
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<rework> |
The youtube script needs an update to work. |
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<rework> |
There's update instructions at mozzwald.com |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
ahh, cool, thank you |
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<rework> |
and you wont be able to install the compiler directly on the zipit. you have to cross compile |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
will give it a go, after the terminal history thing |
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<g8787> |
why can't gcc be installed on the zipit? I used to have it running on my 486 with redhat. |
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<rework> |
the dependencies in emdebian are not there I believe |
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<g8787> |
couldn't they be built with a crosscompiler? |
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<g8787> |
if someone took the time to do it that is... |
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<rework> |
maybe |
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<g8787> |
do you have a crosscompiler set up? |
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<rework> |
I've tried with no success. :) |
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<g8787> |
now I don't feel so bad |
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<g8787> |
which tools did you try to build the toolchain? |
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<rework> |
I followed the guide at emdebian.org |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
it looks like I only need these two lines, does that sound right? from http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/17142.html |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
export HISTFILESIZE=3000 |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups |
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<g8787> |
@rework I'm assuming you couldn't find a suitable one in the pre-built section? |
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<SB-Zipit> |
g8787: Error: "rework" is not a valid command. |
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<g8787> |
odd to find that on novell of all places... |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea well, blame google |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
"bash.bashrc history" first result |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
and would google ever lie? |
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<g8787> |
;-) |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea, thank you, some irc rooms explode if I say something like that |
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<g8787> |
I was more interested in the .bashrc line in the zipit shopt -s histappend |
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<rework> |
g8787: It's been so long I forgot what the problem was |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
"shopt"? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
lol |
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<g8787> |
no clue what shopt means but I didn't make it up |
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<g8787> |
rework: I'm assuming you couldn't find a suitable one in the pre-built section? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
good, (now my turn) I don't feel so bad |
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<rework> |
g8787: Possibly. I do recall having issues with dependencies and compiling. I was able to get the toolchain installed, but always had trouble compiling |
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<rework> |
but I've never setup a toolchain before, so I'm sure I screwed something up. |
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<g8787> |
hmmm. Yeah. I'm not really much of a programmer so I don't really understand what I'm doing either when setting up a toolchain like that. The script does a ton of complex stuff so there are many places for errors |
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<g8787> |
my problem is that I've never even successfully gotten a toolchain to compile |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
that didn't fix my terminal history, dang |
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<rework> |
when you say terminal history, do you mean when you press up it shows you your last commands? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea |
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<rework> |
it works on my zipit with rootnexus. which userland you running? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
ahh, one sec |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
rc1-pre2-dd.part1 |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/1gb-image/ |
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<rework> |
hmm. which terminal emulator? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
rxvt is the default |
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<rework> |
that's what I'm using and it works for me |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
installing and using xterm (even though it does look 100% like rxvt) didn't help |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
it wouldn't shock me if I broke something |
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<rework> |
hehe |
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<rework> |
have you tried a fresh copy to your sd? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
I am going to try that later tonight |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
right now I am home with my 2 year old and 4 year old son |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
so my brain is all around |
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<rework> |
sounds like fun times :) |
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<Bh420> |
quick simple Q will the z2 suport a 8gb microsd in an adapter? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
not sure Bh420 |
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<ZipitZone> |
So how is everyone? |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
pretty good ZipitZone how about you |
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<ZipitZone> |
Not bad, backing up my windows machine so I can switch back to linux |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
gottcha |
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<ZipitZone> |
Plan to remap some of openzipits keys tonight and get a properly encoded video running on it at full speed |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
very cool |
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<ZipitZone> |
:) yeh the zipit volume keys (on mine anyway) are set as alt 0 and alt 9 but I want to use the rocker. I'm also planning to see if I can get the power button to run a bash script to run shutdown -h now to shutoff the thing without having to type the command |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
yea, my volume keys don;t work either |
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<ZipitZone> |
mplayer yourfile.mp3 to get it playing then hold alt and hit P that'll turn up your volume :) |
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<ZipitZone> |
or use run the command alsamixer and turn it up then play your mp3 |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
ahh, great to know |
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<ZipitZone> |
If you want out of alsamixer hit the smily key :) |
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<DoorToDoorGeek> |
is the smile = esc? |
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<ZipitZone> |
I guess, it acts like it anyway. I know holding it and using the directional pad is the mouse emulator |
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<ZipitZone> |
Heres a mini-tutorial if you need reference to the alsamixer and mplayer basics like volume |
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<ZipitZone> |
http://wiki.zipitzone.com/index.php/Alsamixer_and_MPlayer |
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<rkdavis1> |
ZipitZone: might not work on the debian based rootfs but here is the executable of my powerbutton checker, iirc 0 for pressed and 1 for unpressed http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/powerbtn |
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<ZipitZone> |
thanks :) I'll look into that |
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<rkdavis1> |
if you have a toolchain setup (or gcc on your zipit) i'll send you the source |
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<ZipitZone> |
Thanks but I dont have toolchain setup (yet) I'm working on dual booting my pc with xp/linux tonight |
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<rkdavis1> |
i also have utilities for checking the lid switch, ac power cord and a few others |
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<ZipitZone> |
:D sounds great man :) I'll have to get back to you on it though. I'll have to start now to get my machine re-installed tonight. |
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<rkdavis1> |
i gave them to jagsph (rootnexus) to use in his rootfs but he wanted to do it via events instead |
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<ZipitZone> |
ah, ic |
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<ZipitZone> |
oh before I go what do you suggest for irc in linux? I'm using xp/mirc atm |
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<rkdavis1> |
not got the foggiest but i use pidgin in windows and linux |
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<rkdavis1> |
it does ok |
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<ZipitZone> |
yeh :) pidgin is great for messaging |
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<ZipitZone> |
we'll ima go... gotta lot of work to get this thing up tonight. windows install linux install updates downloads............ prob wont be done tongiht :) |
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<rkdavis1> |
yo LokiChaos longtime no see |
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<LokiChaos> |
Hi, yeah... been busy with other things |
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<LokiChaos> |
anything new? I haven't really had a chance to keep up at all with the Z2 |
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<rkdavis1> |
not much, aliosa27 is back, we have a new debian based rootfs although the author of that has gone for a while now |
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<rkdavis1> |
i have a fork of ray's iz2s |
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<rkdavis1> |
and usb host is being worked on |
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<rkdavis1> |
a simple haedware mod and drivers but it's for u-boot/mainline only |
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<LokiChaos> |
nod, I know which pins on the CPU need to be tapped... I guess when I'm feeling brave/lucky I'll work on that |
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<rkdavis1> |
no need |
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<rkdavis1> |
just slice a trace and use gpsfan's driver |
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<rkdavis1> |
it's not been tested properly yet but gpsfan has mounted a thumg drive and used a mouse and keeyboard on it |
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<LokiChaos> |
really? so someone managed to find the USB-host on one of the traces? |
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<rkdavis1> |
the only hardware mod required is remove a resister or slice the trace |
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<rkdavis1> |
it's the same method as on the treo |
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<LokiChaos> |
I'm not familiar with that, but I can look it up |
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<rkdavis1> |
i was googling one day and found it about a treo and gpsfan took that and did all the hardwork |
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<LokiChaos> |
USB host would be great to have |
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<adnyxo> |
epic even |
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<adnyxo> |
mouse, keyboard, more memory? |
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<adnyxo> |
count me in |
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<LokiChaos> |
I'm totally going to hook my alfa wireless card to it (with external power) then I can go packet sniffing :) |
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<adnyxo> |
if i can get the courage |
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<LokiChaos> |
the card is almost the size of the Z2 |
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<LokiChaos> |
are we still using fluxbox? dwm? or did someone comeup with something better? |
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<rkdavis1> |
rootnexus is rox iirc |
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<adnyxo> |
yea i think its rox |
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<roxirc> |
roxfiler with matchbox-wm and lxpanel to be exact |
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<adnyxo> |
i heard tiltwm was good on small screens |
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<LokiChaos> |
I'm still using my DWM build, hasn't failed me yet |
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<LokiChaos> |
a panel? fancy... not sure there's a need for it, but no reason not to try |
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<adnyxo> |
http://i3.zekjur.net/ |
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<rkdavis1> |
http://zipit.rootnexus.org/ although jagsph seems to have vanished |
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<LokiChaos> |
eek, icons :x |
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<wickce> |
i killed icons |
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<wickce> |
http://www.hostwork.com/users/matt/zipitz2/image/z2-desktop.png |
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<wickce> |
killed wallpaper too |
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* |
LokiChaos nod |
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<adnyxo> |
rkdavis1, any idea where jag is> |
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<wickce> |
just panel running |
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<adnyxo> |
he seemed to be really into the zipit stuff |
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<rkdavis1> |
adnyxo: not got the foggiest |
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<adnyxo> |
then he just disappeared |
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<rkdavis1> |
yup |
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<adnyxo> |
perhaps a donation would get him back |
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<adnyxo> |
lol |
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<adnyxo> |
looks nice wickce |
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<adnyxo> |
does that help performance much? |
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<wickce> |
thanks |
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<wickce> |
a little yea |
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<LokiChaos> |
mine is just: http://imagebin.org/91133 |
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<wickce> |
rox and wallpaper eats ram |
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<wickce> |
icons too |
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<adnyxo> |
and when youve only got 32 megs... |
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<adnyxo> |
LokiChaos, that looks useful |
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<wickce> |
LokiChaos: heh neat |
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<LokiChaos> |
I'll try out the new images and drop in my dwm, I'm be amazed if anything manages to be lighter |
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<wickce> |
i like the panel though. easy launching of apps via the menu |
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<wickce> |
LokiChaos: does dwm use window borders? |
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<LokiChaos> |
dwm uses less ram than 1 bash session, and just a little more than htop |
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<adnyxo> |
wow |
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<LokiChaos> |
it's entire config is done in a c header and compiled in, there is no runtime-config |
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<wickce> |
cuz i like the fact that you can run matchboxwm without them and it auto sizes everything to fit the screen. no more having to manually maximize everything. |
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<LokiChaos> |
yeah, dwm is tilting, open 1 window and it's full screen, open two and they share the screen (60/40) open a 3rd and they will be 60/20+20 |
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<wickce> |
ick. thatd suck on 320x240 |
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<LokiChaos> |
it acutally works quite well, plus I have 5 "virtual desktops" so I rarely have more then 1 per tag |
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<wickce> |
i guess yea |
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<LokiChaos> |
here's some 4 screenshots: http://imagebin.org/91134 |
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<wickce> |
could always use screen too |
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<LokiChaos> |
I do |
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<LokiChaos> |
wickce: is that conky in the background? |
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<wickce> |
yep. thats my wallaper.. heh |
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<wickce> |
or "desktop" |
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<wickce> |
lxpanel+conky+black bg |
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<wickce> |
easy on the eyes and looks nifty with black terminals |
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<wickce> |
since i run mostly console apps |
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<LokiChaos> |
same here, only non-console I have are dillo and feh |
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<wickce> |
ahh. i have feh, links2 (gui), centerim, irssi, midnight commander, doom etc |
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<wickce> |
some X, some console. some framebuffer to work in either. nice mix. |
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<wickce> |
only thing i really use in X is gftp |
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<wickce> |
hate comand line ftp |
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<g8787_> |
yeah command line ftp can be a little clunky |
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<wickce> |
really dont use the zipit itself. it's basically a local network webserver, sshd is running also so i can use it with pocketputty on my wince devices for stuff they lack. like multiprotocol messengers. |
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<wickce> |
nothing runs on ce6. it's quite picky. |
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<g8787_> |
no kidding. |
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<g8787_> |
especially on a |
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<g8787_> |
finicky device |
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<rkdavis1> |
yup i use one of my zipits as a backdoor into a neighbours network, the others are basically used just to work on them :) |
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<g8787_> |
lol |
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<g8787_> |
it's certainly a good little dropbox |
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<wickce> |
http://www.hostwork.com/users/matt/alpha400/3k-razorbook-ce-irssi-putty.jpg |
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<wickce> |
:) |
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<wickce> |
ssh'd into the zipit for irc works nice |
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<wickce> |
but dont need that anymore as i hacked roxirc to run on wince |
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<g8787_> |
assuming the razorbook has a better keyboard... |
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<wickce> |
much. its a 7" netbook |
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<wickce> |
zipit kb sux |
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<g8787_> |
better than my phone |
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<wickce> |
heh |
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<g8787_> |
but that doesn't take much |
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<LokiChaos> |
I use mine as a wireless terminal, and just SSH into other machines to do work |
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<wickce> |
the opposite of me. :) |
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<wickce> |
costs nothing to leave the zipit plugged in and running |
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<LokiChaos> |
I don't have anything nearly as portable as the Z2, so that's why I use it |
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<wickce> |
no cellphone? |
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<LokiChaos> |
I don't have a netbook, just a Thinkpad R50, and I'm still using a cellphone from '03 |
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<wickce> |
granted its wm6 but my blackjack2 does eveything |
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<wickce> |
pocketputty with unlimited data owns |
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<wickce> |
and netbooks are cheap now. ce6 chinese netbooks are selling for about $90 on ebay now a days |
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<LokiChaos> |
I don't have a data plan, I hardly use my cell (calls only) and it gets better reception than any other phone I've seen |
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<wickce> |
well, if your cell was a pocket terminal, multi game console emultator, camera/video recorder, messenger, irc client, browser, tv/movie player and mp3 player i'm sure you'd use it more...heh |
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<LokiChaos> |
I am looking for a netbook, none have really hit the specs I want |
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<wickce> |
this one i bought for $100. 667mhz arm11 with 256mb ram and ce6. it freakin' flies. |
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<LokiChaos> |
smartphones don't really intrest me, that ce6 does look intresting |
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<LokiChaos> |
right now I |
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<LokiChaos> |
*I'm looking at the Lifebook uh900 |
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<wickce> |
whats the battery life like? |
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<LokiChaos> |
not that great with the base battery 2.5 hours or so with wifi |
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<wickce> |
i like ce/linux cheap netbooks for that reason. i get a good 7-10 hours on a single charge on these with wifi enabled. |
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<wickce> |
this one has been in use for the last 3:50hours and i still have 57% battery left |
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<LokiChaos> |
I really want something like a 7" screen running at 1600x1200, a touch typeable keyboard, a trackpoint-pointer (no touchpad), and 14+ hours battery life |
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<wickce> |
good luck finding that |
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<LokiChaos> |
yeah, no one makes that :( |
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<LokiChaos> |
the Z2 is really fine for 90% of what I do, just wish the keyboard was less noisy |
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<wickce> |
and this weighs about a 1.5lbs. which i also like. no fans either. my eeepc900 gets freaking hot, and its heavy compared to these. |
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<wickce> |
i like the z2, but my eyes cant handle more than a few minutes on it. |
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<wickce> |
and the lcd bothers me. even with brightness down, it has a weird tint/contrast/backlight...cant quite figure it out. |
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<LokiChaos> |
the NanoNote looks intresting, but it's not enough more than the Z2 to merit the cost, plus no internal wifi |
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<wickce> |
yea no internal wifi is a killer |
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<wickce> |
spend $90 on a nanonote and $70 more for the sd wifi card |
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<wickce> |
not worh it |
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<wickce> |
thats why these netbooks are a steal for less than $100. 3 usb ports, 1 sd slot, 7" 800x480 res, 1-4gb internal nand flash, decent keyboard, long battery life etc. |
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<LokiChaos> |
yeah, looking at them, really wish I could get higher res... |
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<wickce> |
cant expect much for dirt cheap :) |
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<wickce> |
built in wifi and ethernet also |
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<wickce> |
or find a mips netbook. i created a nice distro to replace the crap they came with |
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<rkdavis1> |
LokiChaos: aliosa27 has a nanonote. he said it has a very plasticy feel and seems to be alot slower than the zipit too |
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<LokiChaos> |
rkdavis1: ok, thanks |
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<rkdavis1> |
wickce i found a really nice font for the zipit a couple of days ago -- gives 53 columns and is still very readable |
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<LokiChaos> |
iirc I'm using the basic 4x6 |
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<wickce> |
nice |
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<wickce> |
rkdavis1: as i was telling LokiChaos i dont really use it. its basically a device to ssh into and use centerim on my ce netbooks. |
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<rkdavis1> |
http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/fonts/TELETEXT.PSF -- works using the setfont from kbd or consoletools but not the one in busybox |
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<rkdavis1> |
wickce: i'm still on the look out for a nice mips based netbook to shove your stuff on :) but everythime i get money the wife keeps taking it |
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<wickce> |
lol. that sucks. |
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<rkdavis1> |
yeah keeps using it to buy food or books for the kids college classes |
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<wickce> |
who needs food or books? :) |
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<rkdavis1> |
yeah toyz are more important |
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<wickce> |
i saw a skytex on ebay not long ago for $75 BIN. That would run my distro |
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<wickce> |
along with 20 other rebrands..lol |
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<wickce> |
i picked up a used cnm book (UK device) for $50 |
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<wickce> |
they are out there, but hard to find. |
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<wickce> |
people must like the linux devices, not many used for sale. |
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<rkdavis1> |
yup just i don't have paypal and i used amex giftcards so hard to buy stuff on ebay |
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<rkdavis1> |
paypal wont let me have a UK bankaccount in the us |
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<rkdavis1> |
as a verified account |
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<wickce> |
bummer |
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<rkdavis1> |
yup really is a PITA |
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<wickce> |
have family over there buy it and ship to you maybe? |
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<rkdavis1> |
i used to do that -- the shipping was horrible |
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<rkdavis1> |
just got given a computer for free -- cost $75 to have it shipped here |
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<wickce> |
ive ordered a few things from the uk on ebay before. royalmail didnt seems to cost much. |
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<rkdavis1> |
it can do, the royal mail is very inconsistant |
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<wickce> |
somewhat slow, but fair priced i thought for international shipping. |
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<rkdavis1> |
it's actually cheaper to send to the uk than from the uk |
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<wickce> |
well if i find another cheap maybe i'll work out a deal with ya. |
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<rkdavis1> |
bit like it used to be cheaper to ring the uk from the us than the other way round and actually in some cases cheaper to ring from the us than to ring inside the uk -- there used to be tomes of services that you'd ring that would give you a us dialtone to dial back |
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<wickce> |
my cost t opurchase + shipping. |
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<rkdavis1> |
wickce: thnx only if you see anything and you don't need it |
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<wickce> |
wild |
