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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<aliosa27> |
morn |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: you built oe recently? |
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<aliosa27> |
yes |
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<rkdavis> |
ok which recipe did you build? i was fixing some stuff yesterday and i noticed wireless-image was suddenly pulling in alot of X stuff and some stuff it shouldn't have been |
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<rkdavis> |
i had to fix a couple of recipes too that they "fixed" recently too but just wondered if you noticed eggdbus causing problems too |
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<rkdavis> |
is this a K-12 chanel? because if it is i need to go outside to accuratly make my feelings known about oe |
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<aliosa27> |
lol k-12 |
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<Mcavity> |
lol rk |
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<aliosa27> |
i actually have just kept the last known working core config, all the packages, revision |
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<aliosa27> |
etc |
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<rkdavis> |
i think i need to get the lead dev's address and go pay him a visit with a baseball back |
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<aliosa27> |
i tried to build the latest and said f***it |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: i would have done but trying to get GPSFan's kernel mods sorted |
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<rkdavis> |
and needed to pull in some stuff which broke my last build |
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<aliosa27> |
define sorted? what are the dep's |
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<rkdavis> |
so had to do a clean install, took 24 hours what with allt he broken packages |
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<rkdavis> |
no real deps except i had to merge patches and inject some files |
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<rkdavis> |
and as the virtual/kernel is a pita to configure it just broke everything |
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<aliosa27> |
yeh, even when you tell it what kernel to build it ignores it |
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<rkdavis> |
it was easier (so i thought) to start from scratch again) both gpsfan and i had problems with the latest svn/git pull |
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<aliosa27> |
well in the makefiles that is |
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<rkdavis> |
the best bit is you configure the kernel, it ignores it and overwrites back to the old .config on a deploy |
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<aliosa27> |
I generally build the userland after fighting for a while , then build the kernel manually, and anything that was broken and that needed to be build seperatly |
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<rkdavis> |
buildroot is looking better and better everyday even with it's flakeyness |
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<rkdavis> |
give me another 20minutes and i think this computer is going to be defenistrated or at least thrown against the wall |
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<muriani> |
hmm, pushed out a window, or thrown against the wall? |
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<muriani> |
I'm not sure which is worse. |
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<rkdavis> |
at least the kernel builds using the buildroot toolchain even if the binaries i also build don't play nice with scratchbox binaries in stock |
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<aliosa27> |
im all for pulling in and manually fixing what needs to be fixed from oe to a local oe repo we host, and updating it every few months |
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<aliosa27> |
but i DONT WANT TO STICK WITH BLEEDING EDGE OE |
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<aliosa27> |
stupid caps |
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<aliosa27> |
i wasnt yelling |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: i wouldn't blame you if you were |
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<dTal> |
I'm having trouble controlling the VOLUME OF MY VOICE |
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<rkdavis> |
i just wish we had one simple setup that worked for all kernel/userspace versions |
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<rkdavis> |
it gets so messy, somestuff works great in scratchbox bt other stuff doesn't that will work in buildroot but then what won't in buildroot will in oe but then those won't work in scratchbox............................................ |
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<rkdavis> |
ok really killed my defconfig in the kernel recipe, time to look for the backup |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: did you ever sort your svn commit problems on the openzipit svn? |
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<rkdavis> |
mother %$^^^^^^^@#$@^@%#$@$%#@%#$@%#@$%#@%$#@ pardon my french the blooming virtualbox network device failed now |
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<aliosa27> |
yeh |
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<Mcavity> |
I LOVE LAMP! |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll take that LAMP and shove it up your arse sideways if you don't stop being so happy Mcavity |
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<Mcavity> |
=( |
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<Mcavity> |
i dont love lamp in that way. |
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<des> |
happy happy joy joy |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh things just get better and better |
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<rkdavis> |
Sorry to say that we didn't produce plug; we are a connector manufacturer. Best regards, Pamela / Kunming |
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<rkdavis> |
how the hell can you make the connector but not the plug that goes in it? |
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<Mcavity> |
they should at least know what plugs into it |
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<rkdavis> |
it's like being a sandwich maker and only making the buttered bread and not the filling |
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<rkdavis> |
Mcavity: one would have thought |
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<des> |
now THAT'S a specific market |
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<Mcavity> |
yea |
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<rkdavis> |
well i still have 2 possibles for the part number, lets see if they know it |
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<rkdavis> |
so far i've been told the same thing from 3 different manufacturers -- i wonder if it even exists |
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<rkdavis> |
"we make the connector but not the bit that plugs into it" |
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<des> |
it's obviously a market scheme, they produce the connector 6 months, so the plug prices rise, then 6 months the plug, and so forth |
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<rkdavis> |
des: i'd probably agree with you but i have now been on the trail of this plug for nearly 16 months |
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<rkdavis> |
and yes it's an old piece designed in 2002 according to the engineering drawings i have but i'd have thought somewhere in the world someone would know the part number of the piece that plugs in or if the ruddy thing even existed |
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<rkdavis> |
and even if they tell me that they hate me and wouldn't tel me if i needed that part to stop the world from ending at least tell me that someone has it or knows of it's location or number or something semipositive |
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<rkdavis> |
morning FiftyOneFifty |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Morning |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
To completely change the topic, since it looks like there eventually be other deives in this form factor, someone should come up with a name. And if not us, who? (or at least you guys who are actually doing developement :) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I was thinking microbook. Or NetPad. To adrress the critisism's that have followed the naming of the other "pad" device, we could market as "now in a more comfortable form factor" |
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<rkdavis> |
and as a clamshell it comes with wings if you position it right |
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<dTal> |
I've been calling it a micro-laptop; I suppose microbook is shorter. |
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<rkdavis> |
i've been calling it a "bloody pain in the neck" but i call all my computers that |
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<rkdavis> |
well except for harriet :) |
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<dTal> |
A little kid on the train the other day actually asked me "is that a tiny laptop?" I was tickled pink. |
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<rkdavis> |
she loves me and has for 24 years :) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
We could call it mini-book, but then someone would have to build something smaller. |
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<rkdavis> |
a picobook |
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<dTal> |
I think a laptop form factor would be very uncomfortable any smaller than this. |
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<rkdavis> |
uh oh, good job i have had mumps, i just had a feel of my glands because they are painful. -- extremely swollen |
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<rkdavis> |
and found what looks liek a tick bite although how i got that i dunno |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Someone would build it, then you guys could learn a new frustrationg programming environment. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Car adapter came Saturday. They offered to let me write "Return to Sender" on it and ship the A660 adapter to replace the A600, then they mailed me this morning and said "get it back out of the mailbox, it's the same part". Plug fits, I'll test output later today. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Cheap A660 car charger from Buy.COM 5.5v, 1.3A at all RPM, 5.4v 1.25-1.3a engine off |
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<user__> |
heya |
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<dTal> |
Are there F keys in jag's userland? I need F10. |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
got everything working. couldntve done it withou you fifty,wick, and dTal |
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<dTal> |
Cool. Enjoying it? |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
f keys are with mouse enabled i think |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
yeah |
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<dTal> |
I don't have the mouse emu running, I'm in the console. |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
oh |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
not sure than |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
then* |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
for what it is and at this price, its great |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
by the way, what is the port on the back for? |
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<dTal> |
Tins of stuff that nobody's quite got working yet. It was originally for an addon or addons that Zipit may have made at some point in the future but didn't. |
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<dTal> |
Among other things, there's USB client and camera in there. |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
interesting |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: well actually a few people have got stuff working on it even a breakoutbox for it but they are no longer hanging in the irc channel anymore :( |
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<aliosa27> |
i played with the camera interface for a bit |
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<aliosa27> |
bought a sparkfun module on freeday |
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<aliosa27> |
then after coding for a while, said,,,why would i take pictures with this |
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<aliosa27> |
it was what one would call " The wife moment" |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
does jag have fceu built in? |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
gn h |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
erm |
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<capitalsown_z2> |
ignore that* |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: didn't pass the WAF test in either time or functionality eh? |
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<needhelp2> |
is there a way to switch between different applications running on "rootnexus", something like 'alt-tab' thing in win ? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
needhelp: ^D minimizes runnin app without killing it, then you can use the Window Manager icon on the taskbar to select |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I think he did make a control key combo to tab between running apps but I forget it |
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<needhelp2> |
tx. |
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<netbook> |
aliosa27 i still check your zipit project sight :( |
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<aliosa27> |
yeh yeh, Im tidying up some oe crap before I release it again |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh -- i'm going to kill my kid |
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<rkdavis> |
he just presented me with 15pages of longhand writing that needs to be typed up before his class tonight |
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<rkdavis> |
he has an evening college class and if he typed it we'd still be here next weeek |
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<aliosa27> |
you should take it out on the teacher |
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<rkdavis> |
oh i'll do that next week, i have to go up to th ecollege to drop off some computers i built for one of his professors, perhaps i'll take a clue by four with me too and pop into that professors office too |
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<needhelp2> |
is possible to add users (logins) for "rootnexus" ? |
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<muriani> |
if "adduser" is present, I'm sure it's fairly easy to do so |
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<muriani> |
you might want to set up a login manager of some point, suck as xdm. |
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<muriani> |
s/suck/such |
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<needhelp2> |
I am a newbi do you have a url that i can use to learn about it or command to install it ? |
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<muriani> |
well, as it's debian based, "apt-get install xdm" might work |
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<muriani> |
but it also might fuck up the system, I dunno |
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<muriani> |
at a terminal, try "adduser testuser" and see if it lets you create a user |
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<muriani> |
if not, then you'll need to apt-get install adduser |
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<needhelp2> |
k. i will try xdm after making a backup copy...I had to do "su" before it allowed me to run "adduser". |
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<needhelp2> |
do we have a key combo to type pipe character i.e. '|' ? |
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<dTal> |
alt-smiley |
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<dTal> |
So, how much stuff could you fit into the 8 megs of flash with squashfs? |
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<aliosa27> |
with squashfs as the root with minifo running changes on the card, we can fit xvfb,supporting libs, a few apps |
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<aliosa27> |
etc |
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<dTal> |
Nice. |
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<dTal> |
Although I wouldn't use xvfb. |
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<dTal> |
Seems like it'd be a pretty neat project, to have a useful Zipit with no SD. |
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<dTal> |
I'd be scared to try and develop that though. I'd get a second Zipit and do the serial mod to it. |
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<needhelp2> |
i agree that sounds like a great idea..where you have a basic stuff on zipit and can use the sd card to have more apps, features. etc. |
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<needhelp2> |
is there a way to change the start (home) page for the links web browser ? |
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<rkdavis> |
needhelp2: yes |
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<rkdavis> |
either in the config file |
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<rkdavis> |
or one the command line |
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<rkdavis> |
but the best is the config file |
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<rkdavis> |
check the .links dir in your home dir |
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<rkdavis> |
and in there should be a few files i think it's on links.cfg |
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<needhelp2> |
i see it...what configuration value is to specify the start page ? |
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is there a way to specify shortcut keys in "rootnexus" ? It would be nice to start the program manager with Ctrl+P, etc. |
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<needhelp2> |
is there an easy way to download and install java on "rootnexus" ? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Dude, I think you miss the point of 312Mhz, 32Mb RAM: there are limits |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Advanced browsers run dog slow |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
First, gogle links2 and see if it supports java |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
then google "apt-get install java" and get the right command. or visit java.com and see what it says |
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<needhelp2> |
well i was thinking of just seeing if one could run java prgm...i dont expect to be able to really use it but would be fun to try |
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<dTal> |
We talking Java runtime or java plugin? |
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<dTal> |
Ah. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Install Java and come back and tell us how well it works |
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<needhelp2> |
will do. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
As far as standard browser go, Konqueror is supposed to work but dog slow |
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<dTal> |
If the iphone can run some Safari version, then the Zipit can be made to run a real browser smoothly. |
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<dTal> |
Someday... |
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<needhelp2> |
i agree..in image by aliosa27 there was dillo... my being new to all this and linux did not get anywhere but i agree, we should be able to find something that has good UI and is tolerable. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I don't know, I don't think I would expect Flash to run smoothly on a PII which has the potential for a lot more RAM |
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<dTal> |
Ew, who wants flash anyway. |
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<dTal> |
Besides, the iPhone doesn't have flash neither. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Everyone who buys an iPad and finds Hulu doesn't work |
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<dTal> |
Flash actually runs worse on Linux. I suspect sinister machinations by Adobe, since that would take actual effort. |
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<dTal> |
I haven't yet found a windows program that runs slower in wine. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Yea, I need to get Linux on a decent box so I can do some gaming comparisons |
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<dTal> |
What is this Hulu I keep hearing about? Is it one of them there internet things? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
My opinion, it is a conspierecy to kill free TV over the web. Once on network did it, they all had to. Now that they all have combined into one basket, they can say, "Oh well, it wasn't a commercial success" and kill it. Myth and Tivo will kill OTA anyway. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Not that i don't love Myth |
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<dTal> |
Thank goodness I don't watch TV. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
You are better off. |
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<dTal> |
15 years ago that statement would have pegged one as a luddite weirdo. Now it's progressive and forward-looking. |
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* |
FiftyOneFifty says as his bandwidth is consummed by downloading recently discovered amatuer Star Trek productions other than New Voyages. |
| [20:56:07] |
<FiftyOneFifty> |
Yes, I am that kind of geek. |
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<dTal> |
I look forward to doing battle with the TV license folk. |
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<dTal> |
I'll even put an aerial up outside to be provocative. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: but aren't the bbc trying to get it so any computer capable of receiving internet videos require a license? or did they drop that? |
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<dTal> |
Them: "Hello, we'd like to look around your dwelling for illegal TVs". |
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<dTal> |
Me: "No." |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: That is a legally untenable position. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
You have to license TV's over there? We get mad if they try to license guns. |
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<dTal> |
FiftyOneFifty: It's a dumb system. |
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<dTal> |
It could be not dumb, but as it stands, it is. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i know but i thought it was a creative way to try to fill the beeb's coffers |
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<rkdavis> |
i wish i was a student again and could claim i was covered by my parents license |
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<dTal> |
I think they dropped it. Haven't heard about it lately anyway. |
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<dTal> |
Them: "You have an aerial on the roof and you haven't paid your fee" |
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<dTal> |
Me: "Bog off." |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
It would kill us, we all have half a dozen obsolete TV's back to black and white. [or at least we did until the government rendered them non-functional] |
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<dTal> |
FiftyOneFifty: For starters, it'd only be one license. For another, black and white costs less. |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: i actually liked the license fee when i was growing up 1. because i wasn't the one paying for it and 2. the bbc was good |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: they tried to phase out the b&w license didn't they but the old fogies rose up iirc |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: The license fee doesn't cover the world service, which is the only good part of the bbc |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
That explains it, we might be willing to pay for good TV, wait we do, it's called cable. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i was a radio4 addict -- hardly ever listened to the world service after i was 8 |
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<dTal> |
I don't think radio counts either, but not sure on that |
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<rkdavis> |
and then only normally after radio4 had gone off the air after the shippng forcast |
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<dTal> |
after all we don't have a radio license |
| [21:03:54] |
<FiftyOneFifty> |
Do you have commercials, I've always noticed British shows don't seem to fit to the multiples of half hour format like ours do. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: we used to many years ago -- pre-decimization |
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<dTal> |
So I read. |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: itv does but bbc in theory no but they have bloody long trailers and filelrs |
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<dTal> |
But anyway, as I understand it, the license fee was never meant to be for the BBC anyway, it just kind of ended up that way when the BBC got its charter renewed as recently as 1991 was it? |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: when they xfer a usa sitcom to the bbc they have to put filelrs in as an american 30min program is anly 22 to 24 miutes in realtime |
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<dTal> |
But that's a Royal Charter, which means large amounts of public funds are being allocated without the public's consent |
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<rkdavis> |
dtal i thought the charter was renewed more recently but the next one they are going to definatly top slice some to itv news |
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<dTal> |
then again what else is new in the UK eh |
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<dTal> |
It was renewed in the 200s, but that was when the license fee money got basically given to the BBC |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: but the license is worth it when we get quality programmes like the clangers, ivor the engine, the wombles and the magic roundabout :) |
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<dTal> |
Heh, I'd agree, except nowadays it's In The Night Garden |
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<dTal> |
which is totally awesome if you're on drugs, but lame otherwise |
| [21:08:17] |
<dTal> |
then again maybe the BBC are on drugs |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
i love bbc radio comedies and getting into alot of stuff on bbc 7 too the scifi stuff is pretty good even the repeats |
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<dTal> |
To those underpriveliged folk in other countries in here, In The Night Garden is like a bad trip version of Teletubbies |
| [21:10:42] |
<dTal> |
Oh, I'm just being curmudgeonly. I just wish BBC click didn't blow so much. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i just wish the uk's broadband was better so my vpn worked better for streaming geogrpahical restricted content :) |
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<dTal> |
That too. |
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<dTal> |
This one time, they advertised a particular windows-only media player as being explicitly better than VLC. |
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<rkdavis> |
i do hope they do end up doing the "overseas" tv license, they keep talking about it and for upto 10 quid a month i'd go for it |
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<dTal> |
Trouble is, not only did it share all its media code with VLC, but it was actually *stolen*. A GPL violation. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I'd like to see the "new" Dr. Who (is it any comparison to the original series) but they want too much for it on DVD. More a problem of bandwidth on my rural link rather than an adversion to torrents. |
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<rkdavis> |
i used to use the "backdoor" streams until they hid the page :( |
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<dTal> |
iplayer is another scandal. |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: the new doctor who is good but very "glossy" and so not old time dr. whoy |
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<dTal> |
David Tennant is great. Russel Davies is highly variable. |
| [21:16:14] |
<dTal> |
Sorry, I should say 'was'. |
| [21:16:24] |
<dTal> |
For both of them. |
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<dTal> |
FiftyOneFifty: Don't they air it in the US anyway? Where are you? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I've thought Hugh Laurie would make a great doctor, but of course he is making more as a "Doctor" here |
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<dTal> |
vis iplayer, why do I have to install flash to run it? Why don't they stream it raw, using the Dirac codec that THEY DEVELOPED. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I don't have cable, I've not heard that they run it. If it's on SyFy it might be worth getting a dish. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i use get_iplayer at least for the radio |
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<dTal> |
It's definitely on cable. A year behind, but it is. |
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<capitalsown> |
Don't you guys need a TV license to pay for BBC? |
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<capitalsown> |
I know I am late |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: but you shouldn't have to. This is the issue with the license fee - they take our money, then misappropriate it, because there's no accountability like there is for the government proper. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Used to see all the Tom Baker epsodes on PBS. And the whole "series" not a half hour at a time. |
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<dTal> |
capitalsown: No, you need a TV license to own a TV. |
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<capitalsown> |
no, I know |
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<capitalsown> |
but don't they make you have to buy a TV license so that they can pay for BBC? |
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<dTal> |
capitalsown: It's complicated. Ask the man in the street and they'll say yes, but in reality it was never meant to be that way. |
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<dTal> |
If you don't own a TV you can still watch the BBC on iplayer. |
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<dTal> |
And the BBC world service us funded seperately. |
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<dTal> |
And the BBC is sort of quasi-private. |
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<capitalsown> |
Like GM atm here. |
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<dTal> |
Is it? I dunno |
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<capitalsown> |
Well the government is the majority shareholer |
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<capitalsown> |
holder* |
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<dTal> |
That sounds somewhat similar |
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<capitalsown> |
Also, why do these zipits have FCC IDs stamped onto them? |
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<capitalsown> |
Completely unrelated :p |
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<dTal> |
So you'll know what their FCC ID is :p |
| [21:27:22] |
<capitalsown> |
Eh |
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<capitalsown> |
Do we need to know though? |
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<capitalsown> |
Hold on |
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<capitalsown> |
nevermind |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Back in the day, before PlugNPray, often that was the only way I found drivers for unbranded components-by looking up the FCC ID to find who the hell built the piece or cr*p |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I loved FCC ID |
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<dTal> |
kinda like device and vendor ids for pci or usb stuff? |
| [21:31:22] |
<dTal> |
I like how in Linux, if your hardware works, it works perfectly from the moment you turn your computer on |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
There is a US gov database for FCC ID |
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<dTal> |
and if it doesn't you're screwed |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Usually, first time I installed Ubuntu, it automatically found all the drivers. Same system, I had to read the model number of the mobo and download almost all the drivers for XP to work. |
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<dTal> |
holy shit |
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<dTal> |
the zipit has half as much ram as an Xbox |
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<dTal> |
which can run Halo |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Reason I'm running SUSE here, Ubuntu and Fedora never booted back into X, SUSE was the first one that worked out of the box. |
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<dTal> |
bout half the cpu too |
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<dTal> |
same storage space, with an 8 gig sd |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
A lot easier if you are coding to specific hardware. I always think its funny when I hear of games hanging on a console, which IMO should work like an appliance |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Really got to go, back later |
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<dTal> |
That's apple's strategy |
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<dTal> |
Well, I'm turning in. Night. |
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<capitalsown> |
I hate ATI |
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<netbook> |
I wonder if Intel's gpu/cpu hybrid will become a reality |
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<capitalsown> |
I want barrelfish to be done now |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
<netbook> I wonder if Intel's gpu/cpu hybrid will become a reality - Why, so we have to pay for more crappy Intel graphics? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Actually, Maximum PC did tests on the prototype, pretty hot budget chip if you couple it with discrete graphics |
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At least may raise graphics bar for OEM systems so games will be written for decent graphics again |
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<needhelp2> |
(I had asked this yesterday but did not get any info, so trying again)...How do I change font size for typing in the terminal window of "rootnexus" ? It is too small for my eyes ! |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
needhelp2: Java, if it doesn't work, not in embedian distro http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx |
