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a little late to pipe in I know but my class 6 sdhc works just fine in the zipit. So the class 6 being to fast is not entirely true

[00:54:46]

it's not that it's too fast

[00:54:58]

the zipit will just never access it that fast.

[00:56:35]

not that I have done any formal benchmarking but I tried a class 2, 4 and 6 and honestly there is some noticeable improvement respectably. This was all using jags userland

[00:57:50]

wasn't there some talk also the other day about possibly doubling the ram?

[09:06:44]

morning all

[09:07:42]

morning? already?

[09:11:22]

welll it does feel like the middle of the night but my clock says it is gone 9am

[09:11:37]

and the cat tells me its breakfast time

[09:12:11]

cats lie

[09:16:02]

they do but they can just wear you down

[09:16:10]

so that you give up

[09:16:32]

probably messed with your clock too

[09:17:01]

wouldn't put it past him

[11:00:21]

hmmmmm i was just thinking -- dangerou i know but i haven't seen "chicken tonight" sauces in the grocery for years or any adverts for it -- they used to be on all the time

[11:14:34]

umm google?

[11:16:00]

nah i'm not that bothered, just struck me when i was taking chicken out of the freezer for tonights dinner that i hadn't seen it in the stores for at least 3 or 4 years

[11:16:08]

and the ads used to be on all the time

[11:16:33]

looks like its mostly uk now

[11:16:52]

for me it was pudding pops.. they dont make them any more

[11:17:14]

they have gogurt which is almost the same (sortof)

[11:18:43]

nope

[11:19:38]

but oh well

[11:19:42]

Mcavity: ever gone to http://www.pimpthatsnack.com/?

[11:19:49]

http://www.pimpthatsnack.com/ ? even

[11:19:58]

some of them are pretty good

[11:20:12]

umm no

[11:20:39]

i will look =)

[11:21:31]

<zmef>

what's this about pudding pops?

[11:21:37]

<zmef>

they still make them

[11:21:54]

<zmef>

they aren't the same

[11:21:58]

i dont think so

[11:22:00]

<zmef>

but they still make em

[11:22:08]

<zmef>

just had them last week

[11:22:18]

<zmef>

the kids had them i mean

[11:22:54]

ummm

[11:24:14]

jello pudding pos arent made i have searched its sad

[11:24:47]

there are online petitioms to nring em back

[11:25:24]

<zmef>

ok, different brand but they had the jello logo

[11:26:03]

<zmef>

they didn't have that shell that the old ones had

[11:26:19]

havent seen em so dont know if they are same thing.. if you spot the brand let me know =)

[11:27:07]

<zmef>

next time im at iga i will do just that

[11:27:19]

thanks

[11:27:38]

ok we have a new quest. sod the zipit look for puddinpops for mcavity

[11:31:26]

http://www.amazon.com/none-JELL-O-Pudding-Pop-Maker/dp/B00005BRDS there you are make your own

[12:31:10]

ty.. hehe

[12:32:05]

even foudn a few sites with the /recipe/ on them :)

[12:32:18]

wooo

[12:32:53]

but how hard is it to remember packet of jello, milk?

[12:34:02]

milk and what again?

[12:34:30]

jell-0000000000

[12:34:42]

ok.. and what do you add to the jello?

[12:35:05]

but i prefer the british way of selling jelly -- chivers comes in cubes of concentrated jelly -- most kids eat it raw as a treat

[12:36:45]

heh

[12:40:12]

cow juice is added then mixed and left in the freezer for many hours then you use it as ammo in a paintball gun

[12:41:27]

ok sleep time for me

[12:41:43]

ok sleep well and don't dream of puddin pops

[12:41:50]

lol

[13:14:51]

<zmef>

damn he left allready

[13:15:04]

<zmef>

still had the box in the fridge

[13:15:24]

<zmef>

popsicle Jello pudding pops ftw

[13:28:25]

http://www.deviceside.com/fc5025.html cool or what?

[13:30:19]

<Limp_Trizkit>

i'll get one for my zipit

[13:30:23]

<Limp_Trizkit>

i have some drives in the basement

[13:34:47]

i do alot of disk conversion but nearly all my mb's with real fdc's in them are dead this would be great

[15:33:28]

Anyone here?

[15:34:16]

Well

[15:35:13]

I guess I'll come back in a bit, but if someone sees this and can help me with SoundGuy's userland, that would be cool.

[15:36:47]

Anyways, I downloaded all the rars, but they are essentially just diskdoubler files compressed into a tar.bz2 . I have no idea how to extract a .dd file, and all I know about it is that it's some old Mac thing.

[15:43:01]

So I don't know if I have to convert the .dd to an .img or what. Truth is SoundGuy mentions nothing about the dd extension. In fact, on the Linux directions, it just tells you the console commands for unraring and uncompressing the bzip. I see nothing about the disk doubler extension

[15:45:58]

<dTal>

I've never used this userland, but I wonder what SoundGuy hoped to gain by nesting compression formats.

[15:46:31]

Oh good someone's here.

[15:47:09]

By the way, I wasn't even planning on using that userland. Was going to just use aliosa's, but it was refusing to boot from my card after flashing the zipit.

[15:47:12]

<dTal>

Heh. I'd love to help you, but I really don't know what SoundGuy has done.

[15:47:34]

<dTal>

Hm. Do you get the OpenZipit logo?

[15:47:39]

Yeah

[15:47:55]

<dTal>

Strange, sounds as if the flash went okay then.

[15:48:07]

But it does nothing, just a flashing underscore in top right

[15:48:09]

top left*

[15:48:40]

<dTal>

Yeah, that's what usually happens. Boot can take a long time - how long did you wait?

[15:48:45]

Oh.

[15:48:50]

Guess I was being impatient

[15:48:59]

I waited about 2 minutes I think

[15:49:05]

<dTal>

I'm not implying impatience on your part, but it's been known...

[15:49:13]

Alright then

[15:49:24]

I guess I'll just pop in my card and wait for a bit

[15:49:28]

<dTal>

Especially first boot.

[15:49:36]

Oh by the way

[15:49:48]

is it normal to not be able to turn off your zipit after the flash?

[15:50:07]

<dTal>

With the power button, yes. It's a software thing.

[15:50:12]

Yeah had a feeling

[15:50:20]

<dTal>

I just use "poweroff" from the shell.

[15:50:44]

Alright thanks.

[15:51:03]

<dTal>

Bit cumbersome, but I guess you could bind it if you wanted to. I don't know much about keymaps, and the power button is a special key I think.

[15:51:23]

I might just make a command shortcut

[15:51:36]

<dTal>

When you're waiting for it to boot, is your sd led blinking?

Uh

I don't remember

Hold on

brb

back

it is blinking

so it is reading the card

[15:55:40]

It looks like it stopped blinking though

[15:56:01]

<dTal>

Boot messages go over the serial port I believe, which is why you just see the logo.

[15:56:28]

Oh really

[15:56:49]

So it has stopped blinking.

[15:57:05]

the underscore is still blinking in the top right

[15:57:57]

<dTal>

Hmm. Give it a minute or two more, and if it still doesn't drop you to a shell, I'd recopy the userland to the SD.

[15:58:02]

<dTal>

Just to make sure.

[15:58:42]

Just to make sure I didn't make a really stupid mistake

[15:59:11]

<dTal>

Not neccesarily, because it did seem to get partway through boot at any rate

[15:59:26]

<dTal>

Are you doing this under linux, mac, or windows?

[15:59:44]

Uh

[15:59:50]

well

[16:00:01]

A little under XP, Vista, and Fedora.

[16:00:04]

:p

[16:01:09]

Vista is annoying, but running downstairs to the XP system is faster than rebooting into my Fedora partition, but when both are being dumb, I'll use Fedora.

[16:01:57]

<dTal>

Right, okay.

[16:02:37]

<dTal>

Incidentally, if you're using the aliosa userland Hunter Davis originally posted to, there are some newer ones around.

[16:02:54]

I am.

[16:03:19]

<dTal>

Well, there's no reason that shouldn't work at any rate.

[16:03:53]

There is one thing I didn't understand though. The only thing I used the userland for was the kernel

[16:04:04]

other than that it's just the 2 gig image

[16:04:39]

<dTal>

Right, that's the kernel most people are using. Should probably provide it seperate from the userland, but whatever.

[16:04:53]

Ok that was weird

[16:05:11]

it went into sleep mode, so I hit a button, and the linux logo disappeared

[16:05:21]

but that flashing underscore remains.

[16:05:22]

<dTal>

Okay, so you used an image, so we don't have to worry about whether you formatted the card right or whether permissions are correct or anything.

[16:05:58]

<dTal>

Did you copy the image under Fedora?

[16:06:16]

no

[16:06:33]

wrote it to SD with physdiskwrite on XP.

[16:06:39]

<dTal>

Hmm, I don't know anything about those Windows tools.

[16:07:06]

Well when I look at the files on the SD it has all the normal linux stuff

[16:07:21]

<dTal>

How are you reading it?

[16:07:34]

explorer

[16:07:37]

<dTal>

Windows wont do ext2, will it?

[16:07:49]

There's a driver

[16:08:07]

<dTal>

Yeah, I have it, but I still can't read my linux SD

[16:08:24]

<dTal>

something about unsupported features, I dunno

[16:08:30]

<dTal>

Probably irrelevant.

[16:09:24]

<dTal>

Well, I don't know. If the kernel flashed correctly, and the userland wrote correctly, it ought to work.

[16:10:50]

Alright I'm goint to try booting one last time

[16:11:41]

stopped flashing

[16:11:51]

<dTal>

If it were me, I'd make sure my image weren't corrupted (is there an md5 or something?) and boot into Fedora and use dd, but thats my mistrust of windows talking.

[16:12:30]

<dTal>

But it'd be a thought to make sure your image is okay.

[16:12:38]

Alright

[16:12:58]

<dTal>

If it weren't, I'd expect exactly those symptoms.

[16:14:21]

Here if I come back under linux and just wipe my SD back to stock, do you mind helping me?

[16:14:41]

<dTal>

Not at all.

[16:14:49]

Thanks, I really appreciate it

[16:17:21]

<capitalsown_>

:|

[16:17:36]

<capitalsown_>

Forgot to quit before restarting :p

[16:19:19]

<dTal>

There you go :)

[16:19:51]

alright

[16:20:05]

So just to make sure, format to fat32, right?

[16:20:21]

<dTal>

No, shouldn't need to format anything.

[16:20:34]

Whoops

[16:20:37]

<dTal>

All the filesystem data is contained in the image.

[16:20:50]

I didn't mean to hit that...

[16:20:52]

Honestly.

[16:21:11]

<dTal>

It won't do any harm anyway.

[16:21:48]

<dTal>

Now, your SD card is big enough to hold the image? Again, not insinuating anything, just a sanity check.

[16:21:58]

it is,

[16:21:59]

but

[16:22:11]

linux is not letting me partition the unallocated space

[16:22:16]

so it thinks it's 1.67

[16:22:21]

1.67 gb*

[16:22:36]

I was able to get it back under xp with partition manager though

erm

disk managemenet*

management*

<dTal>

You shouldn't need to partition anything. All the partition data should be completely erased.

[16:23:02]

It won't.

[16:23:02]

<dTal>

When you copy the image that is.

Oh

right

:P

<dTal>

Now, is there an md5 hash for that image file on the site you downloaded it from?

[16:23:42]

let me get the image

[16:23:44]

<dTal>

It's been a while since I used aliosa's.

[16:24:35]

where would I look for it?

[16:25:24]

Alright so Fedora won't let me view my Windows files

[16:25:27]

<dTal>

In the same directory as the url.

[16:25:32]

<dTal>

Ususally.

[16:25:48]

<dTal>

Actually, I might still have that file. Let me md5 it myself.

[16:26:47]

be right back

[16:28:04]

<dTal>

Okay, I have a file titled "debianZ2-diskimage.img", and the output of md5sum starts with 05b3f and ends with e453

[16:28:56]

<dTal>

Do 'md5sum debianZ2-diskimage.img" in the same directory and compare. If they're the same, we're good to go.

[16:30:02]

<dTal>

*debianZ2-diskimage-2G that is

[16:32:07]

Alright holdon

[16:34:34]

firefox is being ultra slow

[16:35:09]

<dTal>

I just checked, the md5 doesn't seem to be online anyway.

[16:37:52]

OK so I think I might restart firefox because it barely is responding.

[16:38:30]

<capitalsown_>

That's better a little.

[16:38:53]

<dTal>

Oh, you're using the webchat.

[16:39:11]

<capitalsown_>

yes

[16:39:58]

<capitalsown_>

Oh my god this is so laggy.

[16:40:28]

<capitalsown_>

Like I clikc a tab and it switches over to it 5 seconds later.

[16:41:16]

<dTal>

Sounds like you're low on memory and swapping out.

[16:41:32]

<dTal>

I know the feeling, it's a way of life on the zipit :)

[16:42:56]

<capitalsown_>

According to system monitor, firefox is using 107% of my cpu. :|

[16:43:27]

<dTal>

Dear me.

[16:43:53]

<dTal>

Multiple CPU system most likely.

[16:44:11]

<dTal>

Switch to a ral client?

[16:44:14]

<dTal>

*real

[16:46:13]

<capitalsown_>

3 gigahertz dual core

[16:49:22]

OK

[16:49:32]

so I'm on an XP system right now.

[16:49:51]

Linux is still on upstairs though

[16:50:23]

So I got a flashed zipit running the kernel and an sd with nothing on it formatted to fat 32

[16:50:30]

<dTal>

Okay. Well, I'd md5sum the file to make sure it's not sorrupted before continuong.

[16:50:33]

I don't mind running upstairs

[16:50:39]

Alright

[16:50:41]

well

[16:51:30]

I'm going to need to reboot into vista and just copy the .img file to the sd and then md5sum it

[16:51:37]

<dTal>

(I assume debianZ2-debianimage-2G.img is the name of the file in question)

[16:52:38]

<dTal>

Really? Why?

[16:53:05]

because I Fedora won't let me view my windows partition

[16:53:15]

don't know why right now, I'll find out later.

[16:53:31]

<dTal>

Well, whatever you need to do I guess.

[16:58:22]

eh I don't mind it

[16:58:27]

it's good excercise :p

[16:58:53]

<dTal>

Jolly good.

[17:00:56]

alright restarting into fedora

[17:02:58]

<capitalsown_>

Oh hey look it nevermind it's dying again.

[17:04:52]

Alright

[17:04:54]

so

[17:05:14]

md5sum imagename.img in console right?

[17:05:31]

<dTal>

Right.

[17:07:25]

alright so how long does it normally take for the console to return the hash?

[17:08:19]

<dTal>

Well it took me a minute or so. Yours will be faster.

[17:08:36]

Ok it's been more than a minute still nothing

[17:08:42]

or has it

[17:08:44]

<dTal>

It's got 2 gig of data to crunch through.

[17:08:48]

Oh right

[17:08:50]

Ok then

[17:09:02]

<dTal>

Depends on your disk speed really.

[17:09:03]

forgot about that it was 2 gigabytes. silly me

[17:09:44]

<dTal>

debianZ2-debianimage-2G.img is the file right?

[17:10:03]

<dTal>

I mean, cause otherwise I don't have the correct hash to compare it with.

[17:10:11]

it is

[17:10:15]

<dTal>

Okay.

[17:10:57]

it output

[17:10:57]

and

[17:11:04]

do you need the whole thing?

[17:11:14]

<dTal>

just the first few will do

[17:11:35]

<dTal>

Mine starts with 05b3f and ends with e453

[17:12:32]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[17:12:34]

<capitalsown_>

biting bullet

[17:12:36]

<capitalsown_>

posting here

[17:12:46]

<capitalsown_>

05b3fb97e9a2eab5741cf0902817e453

[17:12:51]

<capitalsown_>

hey it's being responsive

[17:13:08]

<dTal>

Okay, your file isn't corrupted

[17:13:09]

<capitalsown_>

I might just stay until it starts using all of my cpu again

[17:13:15]

<dTal>

that's something

[17:13:53]

<capitalsown_>

alright so where do I go from here?

[17:14:00]

<dTal>

Now, you've copied the image file to your drive?

[17:14:04]

<dTal>

in fedora?

[17:14:22]

<capitalsown_>

the hard drive?

[17:14:23]

<capitalsown_>

No.

[17:14:29]

<dTal>

Okay, do that.

[17:14:46]

<capitalsown_>

this may take a second.

[17:14:52]

<dTal>

That's why the md5 took a while by the way - the SD was slower than my drive.

[17:15:03]

<capitalsown_>

ah

[17:15:35]

<capitalsown_>

Honestly I just went out to microcenter and got the cheapest microSD that was 4 gigs :p

[17:16:19]

<dTal>

Well, at least it flashed. My first SD was so slow the default firmware would_ht boot off it :)

[17:16:34]

<capitalsown_>

this is really cool of you, by the way. I really appreciate it

[17:16:39]

<dTal>

Ironically it's actually the more reliable of the two now.

[17:17:16]

<capitalsown_>

while we're waiting

[17:17:21]

<dTal>

Hey, no problem. It's always really anoying to me when I go in an IRC room where I KNOW people have the answers I wan't, but can't be assed

[17:17:22]

<capitalsown_>

what do you think of barrelfish?

[17:17:39]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah

[17:17:40]

<dTal>

I've never heard of it.

[17:17:43]

<capitalsown_>

Oh

[17:17:45]

<dTal>

googling now

[17:18:07]

<capitalsown_>

it's a research os by microsoft reaserch and some other group I can't remember at the moment

[17:18:17]

<capitalsown_>

optimized for multi core systems

[17:18:19]

<dTal>

a Microsoft OS? That isn't Windows?

[17:18:21]

<dTal>

Wow.

[17:18:34]

<capitalsown_>

yeah full open source too.

[17:18:38]

<dTal>

I wonder in what way it's "optimised".

[17:18:58]

<capitalsown_>

I don't know. It's designed to overcome the drawbacks of the multicore processor

[17:19:14]

<capitalsown_>

for example, jaguar having twice as many cores but going only .05 petaflops faster than Roadrunner

[17:19:43]

<dTal>

Well, any OS that tends to split its services into multiple processes will benefit.

[17:20:05]

<capitalsown_>

alright copied img to hard drive

[17:20:11]

<dTal>

Which is precisely the opposite of what windows does, of course, with all its 'svchost's

[17:20:16]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[17:20:41]

<dTal>

Okay, now unmount your SD but leave it in.

[17:21:16]

<capitalsown_>

unmounted

[17:21:38]

<dTal>

Make a note of its device as well i.e. /dev/whatever

[17:21:48]

<capitalsown_>

um

[17:22:06]

<dTal>

probably /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or somesuch

[17:22:14]

<capitalsown_>

oh

[17:22:15]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[17:22:21]

<capitalsown_>

should I remount?

[17:22:23]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[17:22:28]

<capitalsown_>

Or

[17:22:41]

<capitalsown_>

just pull it out and plug it back in?

[17:22:53]

<dTal>

No, leave it in, leave it unmounted

[17:23:00]

<dTal>

you can always fire up gparted

[17:23:01]

<capitalsown_>

I can't remember if it was sdb or sdb1

[17:23:12]

<dTal>

sdb1 is a partition

[17:23:16]

<dTal>

sdb is the whole disk

[17:23:19]

<capitalsown_>

Oh ok

[17:23:21]

<capitalsown_>

then it is sdb

[17:23:26]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[17:23:28]

<dTal>

Okay, great

[17:23:33]

<dTal>

now:

[17:24:05]

<dTal>

dd if=debianZ2-diskimage-2G.img of=/dev/sdb

[17:24:26]

<dTal>

You may need root, I dunno.

[17:24:30]

<dTal>

Might not.

[17:24:36]

<capitalsown_>

should I run that command in the directory where I copied the img?

[17:24:53]

<dTal>

Yeah, or provide the path to it.

[17:25:44]

<capitalsown_>

yeah need root

[17:26:05]

<dTal>

By the way, this will, for the moment, make the SD appear to only be 2 gigs.

[17:26:16]

<capitalsown_>

yeah I know

[17:26:32]

<dTal>

But we can fix that later, and at any rate this is just disgnostics.

[17:26:36]

<capitalsown_>

because the other 2 will be "unallocated space"

[17:26:38]

<dTal>

*diagnostics

[17:26:43]

<dTal>

Exactly.

[17:27:40]

<capitalsown_>

I really like linux. I won't lie, I have encountered countless more problems with Linux than with Windows. But with Linux you can always fix it.

[17:27:54]

<capitalsown_>

And I'd rather have 100 fixable problems than 10 unfixable ones.

[17:28:17]

<capitalsown_>

Although the proportions are much closer than that

[17:28:26]

<capitalsown_>

like 20 for linux and 10 for windows

[17:28:30]

<capitalsown_>

and not even countless

[17:28:56]

<capitalsown_>

OK sorry about that ramble

[17:29:06]

<dTal>

Well, I don't want to start a holy war, but I don't really like Fedora.

[17:29:15]

<capitalsown_>

Eh, I like it.

[17:29:23]

<capitalsown_>

It's got problems

[17:29:39]

<capitalsown_>

What distro do you use?

[17:29:55]

<dTal>

Debian is great for me, at least right up until I want something that isn't in the repositories, which never happens of course ;-)

[17:30:02]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[17:30:10]

<capitalsown_>

GNOME or KDE

[17:30:25]

<dTal>

feh

[17:30:30]

<dTal>

GNU screen

[17:30:42]

<dTal>

but if I absolutely had to pick, GNOME

[17:30:44]

<capitalsown_>

Ok, but if you had to pick between GNOME and KDE

[17:30:51]

<dTal>

heh

[17:30:57]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah, don't like KDE either.

[17:31:33]

<dTal>

It's fine in principle, but I always have major performance issues whenever I try it.

[17:31:39]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah

[17:31:42]

<capitalsown_>

I do too.

[17:32:18]

<dTal>

I'm toyed with a few esoteric window managers. I use twm day-to-day, but stumpwm was interesting.

[17:32:56]

<capitalsown_>

So you aren't into the gui, huh?

[17:33:38]

<dTal>

twm has its (many) flaws, but it wins me over with sheer performance. I usually just run screen inside a roxterm or gnome-terminal in twm though.

[17:34:11]

<dTal>

But the nice thing is when I'm actually forced out of X, I barely notice.

[17:34:38]

<capitalsown_>

So I wonder how long this will take

[17:34:51]

<dTal>

For example, on the Zipit, which is actually the only device I own that's on the internet.

[17:35:02]

<dTal>

Several times longer than the md5.

[17:35:04]

<capitalsown_>

Are you on zipit right now?

[17:35:11]

<dTal>

Yep :)

[17:35:22]

<capitalsown_>

how is it?

[17:36:08]

<dTal>

Quite nice, actually.

[17:36:21]

<dTal>

As you can see, I can type quite fast.

[17:36:29]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah

[17:36:38]

<dTal>

And all my familiar apps I use on the desktop are here.

[17:36:41]

<capitalsown_>

Tried going to hulu with it directly?

[17:36:49]

<dTal>

nooooo

[17:36:53]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[17:37:02]

<dTal>

No graphics for me, not yet anyway.

[17:37:35]

<dTal>

I've tinkered with directfb, but when I get the chance I'm gonna build my own userland from scratch. I have some ideas.

[17:38:09]

<capitalsown_>

I'm not being very contextual at the moment. Graphical or text based?

[17:38:19]

<dTal>

But a full debian system in my palm is neat, and exactly why I got the zipit in the first place.

[17:38:42]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah I got it for that reason too

[17:38:54]

<dTal>

Well, it'll be graphical, but without X. And it will definitely have a terminal. I'm thinking something like palmos.

[17:38:55]

<capitalsown_>

Actually I got it for that and as an alternative to a netbook

[17:39:16]

<dTal>

It actually makes quite a servicable netbook replacement, at least for me.

[17:39:31]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah. It's also not 200 dollars.

[17:39:34]

<capitalsown_>

:)

[17:39:42]

<capitalsown_>

So it's perfect

[17:40:16]

<capitalsown_>

Plus I think it may be able to run some fun puzzle games under WINE

[17:40:19]

<capitalsown_>

like Peggle

[17:40:30]

<dTal>

I doubt that highly, actually.

[17:40:33]

<capitalsown_>

Really?

[17:40:42]

<capitalsown_>

The specs looked sufficient

[17:40:44]

<dTal>

You'd need to run QEMU as well.

[17:40:51]

<capitalsown_>

Would WINE work?

[17:40:55]

<dTal>

since it's an ARM

[17:41:20]

<capitalsown_>

Oh

[17:41:28]

<dTal>

It would, theoretically, on top of QEMU, but really I don't think you'd get anything practical done

[17:41:51]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah

[17:41:54]

<capitalsown_>

it would be very laggy

[17:42:04]

<capitalsown_>

Does dd normally take this long?

[17:42:26]

<capitalsown_>

it's been like 20 minutes

[17:42:35]

<dTal>

Well, you're writing 2 gigs to an SD.

[17:43:00]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah

[17:44:35]

<dTal>

Also, since there was already some data on it, it has to erase that first.

[17:44:59]

<capitalsown_>

Oh right

[17:45:01]

<capitalsown_>

forgot about that

[17:45:08]

<capitalsown_>

it has to erase another whole 2 gigs

[17:45:08]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[17:45:38]

<dTal>

dd is a neat little tool, all it does is copy byte for byte

[17:45:44]

<capitalsown_>

very neat.

[17:45:58]

<capitalsown_>

neat as in clean

[17:46:02]

<dTal>

high level file copy stuff, like cp, messes around with the filesystem

[17:46:09]

<capitalsown_>

and neat as in neat :p

[17:47:02]

<capitalsown_>

I heard emulators run pretty nicely on it

[17:48:05]

<capitalsown_>

dd finished

[17:48:17]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[17:48:18]

<capitalsown_>

so

[17:48:19]

<capitalsown_>

what now?

[17:48:47]

<dTal>

Try it in the zipit!

[17:49:16]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[17:49:20]

<capitalsown_>

I can unplug it safely?

[17:49:31]

<dTal>

Yep, it's not mounted.

[17:50:39]

<capitalsown_>

here it goes.

[17:50:42]

<capitalsown_>

wish me luck :p

[17:50:54]

<capitalsown_>

blinking

[17:50:56]

<capitalsown_>

blinking

[17:50:58]

<capitalsown_>

still blinking

[17:51:19]

<capitalsown_>

Oh wait what about the wifi firmware?

[17:51:23]

<dTal>

Yeah, cursor just blinks until it dumps to a shell

[17:51:36]

<dTal>

We'll deal with that later, if this works.

[17:51:42]

<capitalsown_>

alrihg

[17:51:44]

<capitalsown_>

lol

[17:51:46]

<capitalsown_>

alright*

[17:52:01]

<capitalsown_>

I think it stopped blinking

[17:52:02]

<capitalsown_>

Oh wait

[17:52:18]

<capitalsown_>

it's blinking again

[17:52:24]

<capitalsown_>

Ok the screen flashed and came back

[17:52:33]

<capitalsown_>

more activity than before

[17:52:36]

<dTal>

SD still blinking?

[17:52:44]

<capitalsown_>

still blinking

[17:52:46]

<capitalsown_>

uh oh

[17:52:50]

<capitalsown_>

SHELL

[17:52:56]

<capitalsown_>

root password debian?

[17:53:02]

<dTal>

yep!

[17:53:12]

<dTal>

hahaaa, I get to blame it on windows

[17:53:24]

<capitalsown_>

What is backspace?

[17:53:34]

<capitalsown_>

I hit a button thinking it was enter

[17:53:41]

<dTal>

<-BS

[17:53:43]

<capitalsown_>

and it was [4~

[17:54:08]

<dTal>

but you're in a shell, you logged in?

[17:54:20]

<capitalsown_>

yes

[17:54:24]

<capitalsown_>

Logged in

[17:54:26]

<dTal>

excellent!

[17:54:29]

<capitalsown_>

Didn't see backspace :p

[17:54:38]

<capitalsown_>

Hold on let me show this to someone

[17:54:49]

<capitalsown_>

actually nevermind

[17:55:12]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[17:55:14]

<capitalsown_>

so what now

[17:55:15]

<dTal>

Wonder what actually went wrong the first time.

[17:55:33]

<capitalsown_>

I don't know

[17:55:54]

<dTal>

Well, you could mess around with wifi firmware and mouse emus and such

[17:56:05]

<dTal>

What kind of system do you want?

[17:56:14]

<capitalsown_>

Eh,

[17:56:18]

<capitalsown_>

Well

[17:56:33]

<capitalsown_>

I do want a gui

[17:56:36]

<dTal>

A lot of people in here run X, but I find it painful.

[17:56:42]

<capitalsown_>

It SOUNDS painful :p

[17:57:09]

<dTal>

Well, with 32 meg of ram...

[17:57:32]

<dTal>

But if you want a GUI, you're basically stuck with X for now.

[17:57:37]

<capitalsown_>

Alright that's fine

[17:57:44]

<capitalsown_>

I'll figure it out

[17:58:03]

<capitalsown_>

By figure it out, I mean I'll figure out how to deal with x

[17:58:24]

<dTal>

I'd reccommend another userland for that, actuallly

[17:59:09]

<capitalsown_>

hunterdavis is trying to tell me .dd is the disk image.

[17:59:10]

<dTal>

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/

[17:59:25]

<capitalsown_>

yeah that's soundguys?

[18:00:00]

<dTal>

Is it? He's called jagsh-something round here

[18:00:27]

<capitalsown_>

Oh

[18:00:28]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[18:00:34]

<dTal>

But one of those is what I'm running now, and I didn't mess around with any of that.

[18:00:38]

<capitalsown_>

that's the same place I was linked to for sound guy's

[18:01:02]

<dTal>

In fact, I didn't get an image, I just got the files and unpacked it to the SD

[18:01:45]

<dTal>

the tar.bz2 should just have a bunch of files in it

[18:02:11]

<dTal>

Oh, I see.

[18:02:22]

<dTal>

That's weird.

[18:03:07]

<capitalsown_>

I downloaded a 5 part rar from http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/1gb-image/

[18:03:19]

<capitalsown_>

An error occurred while extracting files.

[18:03:22]

<capitalsown_>

:S

[18:04:03]

<dTal>

Well, I don't know what that would be about. I'd just get the tar.bz2

[18:04:31]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah that's the one I was trying to extract

[18:04:52]

<capitalsown_>

I was just saying that that's where I got into the .dd trouble on windows

[18:04:58]

<capitalsown_>

Was with that 5 part rar

[18:06:11]

<capitalsown_>

Ok so I copied the bzip to desktop and set it to read and write.

[18:06:14]

<capitalsown_>

Let's see if that works

[18:06:21]

<capitalsown_>

nope

[18:07:32]

<capitalsown_>

Z2-RC1-PRE2.TAR.BZ2 won't extract

[18:07:45]

<dTal>

In fedora?

[18:07:48]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[18:08:42]

<capitalsown_>

I'm using archive manager though that could be the problem

[18:08:47]

<capitalsown_>

I'll try it in command line

[18:10:56]

<capitalsown_>

Er

[18:11:11]

<capitalsown_>

tried bzip2 -d Z2-RC1-PRE2.TAR.BZ2

[18:11:13]

<capitalsown_>

output

[18:11:22]

<capitalsown_>

bzip2: Can't guess original name for Z2-RC1-PRE2.TAR.BZ2 -- using Z2-RC1-PRE2.TAR.BZ2.out

[18:11:53]

<capitalsown_>

and it placed that .out file in the directory

[18:12:07]

<dTal>

How odd.

[18:12:18]

<dTal>

I wonder if *that* file is corrupted.

[18:12:31]

<dTal>

Unfortunately I don't have a copy I can md5.

[18:12:41]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[18:12:48]

<capitalsown_>

well

[18:13:07]

<capitalsown_>

anything I do to the zipit at this point is reversable right?

[18:13:14]

<capitalsown_>

Like if I wanted to use that userland later, could I?

[18:13:47]

<dTal>

As long as you don't reflash the kernel, yep. It's all on the SD now.

[18:13:53]

<capitalsown_>

Cool

[18:13:55]

<capitalsown_>

Ok

[18:14:28]

<capitalsown_>

Just out of curiousity how often are you in here?

[18:15:51]

<dTal>

Pretty often, but there are usually much more knowledgable people than me around. It's unusually quiet this evening.

[18:16:51]

<capitalsown_>

Hey don't sell yourself short

[18:18:07]

<dTal>

Meh, I don't really do a lot of Zipit hacking myself, I just rely on other people's work.

[18:18:10]

<capitalsown_>

Oh I found the problem

[18:18:21]

<capitalsown_>

I forgot linux is case sensitive

[18:18:30]

<capitalsown_>

and bzip2 didn't recognize .BZ2

[18:18:39]

<capitalsown_>

If I just change it to .bz2 it should work

[18:19:35]

<dTal>

hmm, I'd have thought it would be smart enough

[18:20:01]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah well this IS just a theory

[18:20:22]

<capitalsown_>

I can delete the debian image from my directory right?

[18:20:34]

<dTal>

but at any rate the .TAR.BZ2.out should still work for untarring

[18:20:51]

<dTal>

You can, but I like to keep them around JIC

[18:21:12]

<dTal>

Oh, but you have it elsewhere don't you.

[18:21:34]

<capitalsown_>

success

[18:21:53]

<capitalsown_>

I think.

[18:22:09]

<capitalsown_>

No output from console yet, but it put a .TAR file in the directory

[18:22:22]

<capitalsown_>

didn't have to delete the debian image

[18:25:44]

<capitalsown_>

hey dTal, can I expand my linux partition from within Linux?

[18:26:27]

<dTal>

You mean, can you grow the ext3 on the SD from the Zipit? No, it needs to be unmounted.

[18:26:34]

<dTal>

As far as I'm aware.

[18:26:52]

<capitalsown_>

No no, I mean on my home machine

[18:27:24]

<capitalsown_>

I somehow only have 500 mb left and don't feel like trimming fat atm

[18:28:45]

<dTal>

So, you mean can you grow the ext3 partition on your desktop while in it? I think that depends on your kernel version

[18:28:51]

<dTal>

I wouldn't, though.

[18:29:04]

<capitalsown_>

OK so I had a 2 gig flashdrive lying around. just used that to hold the userland files

[18:29:19]

<capitalsown_>

I feel so proud of myself though figuring that bzip thing.

[18:29:32]

<capitalsown_>

I'm pretty dumb when it comes to linux :p

[18:29:49]

<dTal>

Command line syntax can be dumb.

[18:30:29]

<dTal>

I once wanted to play flac files on a machine that had a flac decoder, and a wave player. Should have been possible. Took forever to figure out how to pipe them.

[18:31:21]

<capitalsown_>

man extracting to usb sucks. it's so slow

[18:31:21]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[18:31:31]

<capitalsown_>

So can I expand the partition in windows?

[18:31:31]

<dTal>

The wave player needed a special flag to read from stdin, and the flac decoder needed another, different flag to write to stdout, and all manner of format options needed specifying.

[18:31:55]

<capitalsown_>

wow.

[18:31:59]

<capitalsown_>

that's dumb

[18:32:14]

<dTal>

I would use a livecd actually.

[18:32:35]

<capitalsown_>

for the userland? or the flac files. :p

[18:32:49]

<dTal>

For resizing your linux partition.

[18:32:58]

<capitalsown_>

Oh

[18:32:59]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[18:33:01]

<capitalsown_>

that works

[18:34:00]

<capitalsown_>

can I shutdown -h to turn the zipit off?

[18:34:06]

<capitalsown_>

it's getting kind of hot

[18:34:47]

<dTal>

I think poweroff works on that userland

[18:35:01]

<dTal>

but shutdown should too

[18:35:45]

<capitalsown_>

poweroff didn't turn it off

[18:36:00]

<capitalsown_>

it did something though

[18:36:20]

<capitalsown_>

"The system is going down for system halt NOW!"

[18:36:33]

<capitalsown_>

oh

[18:36:36]

<capitalsown_>

it shut off

[18:36:38]

<capitalsown_>

took a bit though

[18:36:51]

<capitalsown_>

well let's see how long it takes to boot this time

[18:36:54]

<dTal>

Yeah, the whole thing is a bit slow

[18:37:00]

<dTal>

I usually leave mine on

[18:37:25]

<capitalsown_>

oh

[18:37:27]

<capitalsown_>

not long at all this time

[18:38:38]

<capitalsown_>

alright almost done untarring that

[18:44:07]

<capitalsown_>

Well that's just great

[18:44:33]

<capitalsown_>

I waited like 20 minutes to untar everything and it was rife with errors telling me it didn't work

[18:44:34]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[18:44:50]

<dTal>

Aw.

[18:45:51]

<dTal>

It's odd that Archive Manager didn't work, I think that's what I used.

[18:46:15]

<capitalsown_>

Oh it worked, just permissions weren't sufficient to actually do anything

[18:46:16]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[18:46:50]

<capitalsown_>

Alright

[18:46:55]

<capitalsown_>

I'm going to delete the debian image

[18:46:57]

<capitalsown_>

I have it on vista

[18:47:57]

<capitalsown_>

I also won't have to wait as long because it's not going through usb

[18:48:13]

<capitalsown_>

"Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted"

[18:48:16]

<capitalsown_>

:S

[18:48:28]

<capitalsown_>

Let me try changing to read and write

[18:49:47]

<capitalsown_>

hrmph

[18:49:51]

<capitalsown_>

why isn't it working

[18:54:08]

<capitalsown_>

awww

[19:00:06]

<capitalsown_>

oh good

[19:00:09]

<capitalsown_>

you're back :p

[19:00:17]

<dTal>

Man, I think there's a bug in wpa_supplicant

[19:00:40]

<capitalsown_>

What?>

[19:00:47]

<dTal>

I totally lost wifi, and it wouldn't come back until I killed it and restarted it

[19:01:09]

<capitalsown_>

speaking of wifi

[19:01:13]

<dTal>

Couldn't have just been the signal, because I waited for many minutes

[19:01:17]

<capitalsown_>

Yeha

[19:01:20]

<capitalsown_>

erm

[19:01:29]

<capitalsown_>

that's weird*

[19:01:30]

<capitalsown_>

:

[19:01:32]

<capitalsown_>

:p*

[19:01:55]

<capitalsown_>

I wonder why I can't extract his tar

[19:02:37]

<dTal>

I dunno, it all worked for me

[19:02:54]

<capitalsown_>

it tells me "Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted"

[19:03:09]

<capitalsown_>

I think it's a permissions thing with copying filesystems

[19:03:48]

<dTal>

yeah, are you root?

[19:04:08]

<capitalsown_>

I am in console

[19:04:08]

<dTal>

untar it directly to the SD

[19:04:11]

<dTal>

as root

[19:04:20]

<capitalsown_>

It's a whole filesystem

[19:04:23]

<capitalsown_>

just overwrite everything?

[19:04:52]

<dTal>

Well, I've just remembered doing this myself

[19:05:13]

<dTal>

and I had the same thing

[19:05:21]

<capitalsown_>

mkmod error?

[19:05:26]

<dTal>

and I untared it to the SD and it worked

[19:05:32]

<capitalsown_>

Oh Ok

[19:05:33]

<dTal>

it was a while ago but I think so

[19:05:45]

<capitalsown_>

So overwrite everything?

[19:05:50]

<dTal>

but it will overwrite your current userland

[19:05:59]

<dTal>

but it's better anyway :)

[19:05:59]

<capitalsown_>

aliosa's

[19:06:01]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[19:06:18]

<dTal>

wait

[19:06:29]

<dTal>

you have to reformat the SD first

[19:06:44]

<capitalsown_>

:(

[19:06:44]

<dTal>

because it's files, not an image

[19:06:50]

<capitalsown_>

alright...

[19:06:53]

<dTal>

but that won't take long

[19:07:04]

<capitalsown_>

reformat absolutely everything?

[19:07:09]

<capitalsown_>

or just the imaged part?

[19:07:14]

<dTal>

you can use the commands given here: http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/

[19:07:19]

<dTal>

all of it

[19:07:28]

<dTal>

you'll get the full use of the card

[19:07:35]

<dTal>

or you could use gparted

[19:08:15]

<dTal>

actually, use gparted, it'll be easier

[19:08:47]

<dTal>

make a big ext3 as the first partition, and a little swap as the second

[19:09:02]

<capitalsown_>

what's a good swap?

[19:09:07]

<capitalsown_>

256?

[19:09:52]

<dTal>

depends who you ask - I use 128, but I never use more than 64 - zipit is crawling by that point

[19:10:07]

<dTal>

that is, it's never more than half full

[19:10:55]

<capitalsown_>

Hold on how do I do a full reformat in gparted?

[19:11:26]

<dTal>

select the SD from the drop-down box in the upper right

[19:11:46]

<dTal>

click on each existing partition and delete them

[19:12:25]

<capitalsown_>

yeah it doesn't let me delete any of the partitions.

[19:12:33]

<capitalsown_>

Should I just do it on xp?

[19:12:35]

<dTal>

then, when the SD is entirely unallocated, create a new ext3 partition at the start of the card, leaving a bit at the end for the swap

[19:12:40]

<dTal>

then make the swap

[19:12:59]

<dTal>

and you'll need to be root again, and the card needs to be unmounted

[19:13:19]

<capitalsown_>

it only let me delete one partition

[19:13:23]

<capitalsown_>

other two are grayed otu

[19:13:37]

<capitalsown_>

well

[19:13:38]

<dTal>

gparted might get root through gksudo, but you will definitely need to have it unmounted

[19:14:14]

<dTal>

from what you've said before, it seems fedora automounts stuff you plug in

[19:14:20]

<capitalsown_>

Yeha

[19:14:22]

<capitalsown_>

yeah*

[19:14:26]

<capitalsown_>

forgot to unmount

[19:14:30]

<capitalsown_>

sorry was not paying attention

[19:14:48]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[19:14:49]

<capitalsown_>

well

[19:15:18]

<capitalsown_>

got it unmounted

[19:16:11]

<capitalsown_>

I'll do a 126 swap

[19:16:25]

<capitalsown_>

128*

[19:16:32]

<capitalsown_>

ext2 right?

[19:16:40]

<capitalsown_>

3

[19:17:26]

<dTal>

ext3 for this one

[19:17:29]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[19:17:33]

<capitalsown_>

got my partitions

[19:17:38]

<capitalsown_>

and gparted is doing it's work

[19:17:45]

<capitalsown_>

deleting that userland

[19:18:12]

<dTal>

right, after it's done, mount the ext3, and untar your tarball straight to it

[19:18:49]

<capitalsown_>

so does soundguy's have poweroff?

[19:20:48]

<dTal>

yeah, it's just debian sid

[19:21:15]

<dTal>

actually emdebian, which is debian without manpages, plus a few debian packages

[19:21:56]

<dTal>

On mine, not much of the original survives; I've upgraded to full debian packages.

[19:22:50]

<dTal>

But apart from random segfaults, which I believe are due to slow memory swaps on the SD, it's pretty dashed stable.

[19:24:26]

<capitalsown_>

Ok well gparted made it 125 mb instead of 128. Will this affect it much?

[19:24:31]

<dTal>

Incidentally, folks, moosic looks like a good music player for the zipit. It calls other programs to do the actual playing, and it's got a client-server architecture like mpd, so it should be very economical or ram.

[19:24:35]

<dTal>

No.

[19:25:22]

<capitalsown_>

alright my card has a fiile called "Lost and found"

[19:25:25]

<capitalsown_>

what do I do with this

[19:27:07]

<dTal>

Whatever you like, makes no difference.

[19:27:21]

<dTal>

It isn't important.

[19:27:39]

<dTal>

This userland has all the wifi firmware etc built in, by the way.

[19:27:44]

<capitalsown_>

oh cool

[19:28:52]

<capitalsown_>

I know this is a dumb question, never really knew what it was for. But swap, is it like ram?

[19:28:53]

I've see "LostandFound" left over after I "rm rf " my rootnexus userland between releases, I just rm it specifically

[19:29:31]

<capitalsown_>

Extraction not performed You don't have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder

[19:29:33]

<capitalsown_>

:|

[19:29:52]

Kinda like the virtual memory swap file in Windows

[19:29:59]

<capitalsown_>

Oh.

[19:30:18]

Are you root, SU or SUDO?

[19:30:33]

<capitalsown_>

One second

[19:30:41]

<capitalsown_>

Ok

[19:30:45]

<capitalsown_>

Well

[19:30:54]

<capitalsown_>

I'm root in console

[19:31:29]

<dTal>

And you're using the console to extract the tarball?

[19:31:34]

<capitalsown_>

No

[19:31:38]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[19:31:50]

<dTal>

That would probably help a bit :)

[19:31:57]

<capitalsown_>

it probably would

[19:32:26]

"tar -xjvf <path2rarbal> -C <path2mountedExt3PartionOn SD>"

[19:32:34]

<dTal>

I forget the syntax to untar to a specific place, I just cd'd to - or that.

[19:32:49]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah forgot to

[19:32:58]

<dTal>

Cheers, FiftyOneFifty.

[19:33:04]

<capitalsown_>

thanks

[19:33:05]

As root or "sudo tar -xjvf <path2rarbal> -C <path2mountedExt3PartionOn SD>"

[19:34:55]

<capitalsown_>

returned bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors

[19:34:59]

<capitalsown_>

:S

[19:35:18]

<capitalsown_>

wait

[19:35:20]

don't forget to mount, i.e. "mkdir /media/SD" , then "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sd"

[19:35:23]

<capitalsown_>

isn't in xvzf?

[19:35:52]

<dTal>

Why is it complaining about bzip2?

[19:35:58]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah I don't know

[19:36:16]

Did you say you renamed it?

[19:36:23]

<capitalsown_>

I didn't rename it

[19:36:36]

<capitalsown_>

I just copied the location in media

[19:36:40]

<capitalsown_>

pasted it into console

[19:38:19]

Maybe error building the rar from the 5 files (but it should have said so). I just download the BZ2 as one file. Got to go, back later.

[19:38:29]

<capitalsown_>

"mount /dev/sdb /media/sd" returned "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"

[19:38:37]

<capitalsown_>

oh I download the bz2

[19:38:40]

<capitalsown_>

just the one

[19:38:43]

<capitalsown_>

but cya

[19:38:50]

<capitalsown_>

the 5 rars was from earlier

[19:39:00]

<capitalsown_>

Hrmph

[19:39:25]

<dTal>

omit the j

[19:39:25]

sdb1, sdb2 is swap

[19:39:34]

<capitalsown_>

Oh right.

[19:39:51]

<dTal>

the j is for bzip2, which you've already unpacked

[19:40:48]

<capitalsown_>

aha!

[19:40:49]

<capitalsown_>

thanks

[19:41:10]

<dTal>

had to do a bit of manpage peeking for that, I'm terrible with'tar'

[19:41:15]

I never have to tell it filesystem, but man mount covers that. Don't know if you can untar staight to /dev/sdb1

[19:41:32]

<dTal>

FiftyOneFifty: I did.

[19:41:57]

<dTal>

capitalsown_: so it's unpacking to the SD now?

[19:42:00]

I mean rather than creating a mountpoint

[19:42:02]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[19:42:12]

Cool

[19:42:19]

<dTal>

FiftyOneFifty: oh, no you can't do that

[19:42:21]

C U

[19:42:28]

<dTal>

misunderstood you

[19:42:30]

<capitalsown_>

bye

[19:42:35]

Didn't think so

[19:43:08]

<capitalsown_>

hm it seems stuck. also geez, lotsa files here

[19:43:19]

<dTal>

yeah, give it a good long time

[19:43:45]

<capitalsown_>

Wow this is perfect

[19:43:48]

<capitalsown_>

thanks so much dTal

[19:44:07]

<dTal>

hey it's nothing

[19:44:41]

<dTal>

but I'm gonna have to turn in now - but you should be good to go when that finishes

[19:44:47]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah

[19:44:50]

<capitalsown_>

Thanks so much

[19:44:54]

<capitalsown_>

Appreciate it a lot

[19:45:07]

<capitalsown_>

just boot it on up after it's done right?

[19:45:11]

<dTal>

yep

[19:45:23]

<capitalsown_>

and the SD is like a hard drive.

[19:45:24]

<dTal>

it should put you right onto a desktop

[19:46:01]

<capitalsown_>

and mouse emulaton

[19:46:05]

<capitalsown_>

emulation*

[19:46:08]

<dTal>

yes

[19:46:17]

<capitalsown_>

just use arrows in top right, right?

[19:46:42]

<dTal>

I don't know if this one toggles or not

[19:46:50]

<capitalsown_>

I'll find out :p

[19:46:53]

<dTal>

if so, option toggles mouse emu

[19:47:15]

<capitalsown_>

this'll be great

[19:47:17]

<dTal>

just make sure you unmount the SD before unplugging it, since someof these writes might be asynchronous

[19:47:27]

<capitalsown_>

it looks like it comes with a few emus too

[19:47:31]

<capitalsown_>

game emus that is

[19:47:34]

<dTal>

it does

[19:47:46]

<capitalsown_>

Perfect for the airport.

[19:48:11]

<capitalsown_>

seriously I can't thank you enough

[19:48:26]

<dTal>

Just prepare to do a little research on wpa_supplicant, I couldn't work out the provided tool

[19:48:41]

<capitalsown_>

alright

[19:48:52]

<dTal>

but there are plenty of internet resources on that

[19:48:53]

<capitalsown_>

that's for the wifi correct?

[19:49:04]

<dTal>

and it might be better in this version, I dunno

[19:49:06]

<dTal>

yep

[19:50:15]

<dTal>

okay, I'm going to bed

[19:50:20]

<capitalsown_>

Thanks again

[19:50:21]

<dTal>

good luck!

[19:50:22]

<capitalsown_>

good night

[20:22:36]

<capitalsown_>

Anyone here?

[20:23:09]

<capitalsown_>

hey wicknix

[20:23:17]

howdy

[20:23:27]

<capitalsown_>

hey do you mind helping me with something?

[20:23:34]

could try

[20:23:43]

<capitalsown_>

Alright so you know soundguy's userland?

[20:24:04]

rootnexus one?

[20:24:09]

<capitalsown_>

yeah

[20:24:13]

yea

[20:24:18]

<capitalsown_>

Well I put it on my card

[20:24:25]

<capitalsown_>

However

[20:24:40]

<capitalsown_>

when it boots, it's just a text based shell login, and no usernames work

[20:24:51]

<capitalsown_>

it returns "unable to determine your tty name" or some mess like that

[20:25:10]

almost sounds like a bad extraction

[20:25:16]

<capitalsown_>

Oh Ok.

[20:25:23]

<capitalsown_>

should I just re extract over?

[20:25:26]

what did you use to extract it to sd card?

[20:25:32]

<capitalsown_>

terminal

[20:25:46]

as root user correct?

[20:25:50]

<capitalsown_>

yup

[20:26:18]

hmm. how long did you wait before puling the sd card out after extraction?

[20:26:26]

<capitalsown_>

Not sure.

[20:26:30]

might not have been done writing

[20:26:49]

i usually wait 5 minutes to be safe

[20:26:50]

<capitalsown_>

I waited until the [root@localhost Desktop] popped back up again

[20:27:09]

<capitalsown_>

but I never saw it pop up. I was talking in here and just checking up on it every so often

[20:27:19]

<capitalsown_>

so I don't know how long it was "done"

[20:27:29]

<capitalsown_>

So should I just reextract over it?

[20:27:30]

thats about all i can think of. since you used the terminal (no gui extractor) and were root user, thats about all thats left

[20:28:05]

oh, also make sure the sd card is a ext3 partition (not ext2)

[20:28:09]

<capitalsown_>

Was

[20:28:13]

<capitalsown_>

but I'll check and make sure

[20:28:27]

<capitalsown_>

By the way, what is the login screen supposed to look like for the rootnexus userland?

[20:28:41]

ok. yeah i'd just mount the card again, rm -rf the contents and extract again

[20:28:53]

it boots right to the desktop, no login

[20:29:01]

<capitalsown_>

hm

[20:29:33]

which leads me to think your extraction wasnt done writing when you puled the card

[20:29:39]

<capitalsown_>

Oh

[20:29:42]

pulled*

[20:29:52]

<capitalsown_>

So wait 5 minutes after the root@whatever pops up?

[20:30:18]

i would. or do you have an LED on your card reader to show if its in use?

[20:30:25]

<capitalsown_>

No

[20:30:31]

<capitalsown_>

It was an 8 dollar 4 gig from microcenter :p

[20:30:53]

yeah then wait a few minutes after extraction. should solve it.

[20:31:13]

<capitalsown_>

oh card reader. i'm stupid

[20:31:16]

<capitalsown_>

:p

[20:31:18]

<capitalsown_>

still no

[20:31:22]

<capitalsown_>

it was a dollar from ebay :p

[20:31:26]

heh

[20:31:50]

because it's size is about 600 mb once extracted

[20:32:03]

takes a bit to write that to the card

[20:32:23]

depending on card and speed of card, usb1 or usb2 etc etc

[20:34:34]

<capitalsown_>

rm * should work right?

[20:35:01]

should

[20:35:29]

otherwise rm -rf /mnt/sd-whatever *

[20:35:44]

<capitalsown_>

oh right

[20:35:46]

<capitalsown_>

should I unmount?

[20:36:18]

no need. only after you do the extraction and wait he few minutes, then umont

[20:36:21]

umount*

[20:36:33]

<capitalsown_>

Ok

[20:36:37]

<capitalsown_>

it won't let me rm all the files

[20:36:47]

<capitalsown_>

because, as it puts, they are directories...

[20:36:57]

<capitalsown_>

rm: cannot remove `sys': Is a directory

[20:37:01]

<capitalsown_>

et

[20:37:04]

<capitalsown_>

etc.

[20:37:07]

have a gui file manager handy or mc in console?

[20:37:14]

could delete them that way also

[20:37:21]

<capitalsown_>

Yeah I'll just try with nautilus

[20:37:31]

cap: I think a post I made here http://linuxoutlaws.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2253&start=10 may give you a leg up on setting up the wpa_supplicant.conf file (option 8 under Jag's WiFi) though Jag does a pretty good job of expaining it himself. If it doesn't connect, try commenting out the enivoronment variable's (lines that start with "control") with a "#"

[20:37:50]

<capitalsown_>

Ok thanks

[20:38:15]

<capitalsown_>

well apparently I can't delete anything command or gui

[20:38:40]

<capitalsown_>

d'oh I'm stupid I was doing rm * not rm -rf *

[20:39:05]

:)

[20:39:20]

<capitalsown_>

OK re extracting

[20:39:36]

Yep, that will do it, just make sure it's the SD not the HDD :) I bet LostAndFound is still there

[20:39:52]

<capitalsown_>

lost and found is gone

[20:39:56]

<capitalsown_>

and I made sure it wasn't the hdd

[20:40:06]

<capitalsown_>

I'm too nervous a person :p

[20:40:16]

<capitalsown_>

When it comes to hardware

[20:40:19]

<capitalsown_>

and software

[20:40:25]

<capitalsown_>

and I guess everything computers really

[20:40:40]

<capitalsown_>

thanks guys

[20:41:08]

<capitalsown_>

unrelated note, linux and windows are just destroying my system time

[20:41:19]

Well, you wouldn't be ther first one to wipe a hard drive by accident

[20:41:23]

<capitalsown_>

every time I boot into the other, they go out of sinc

[20:41:31]

<capitalsown_>

sync*

[20:42:17]

have you time zone set properly in both?

[20:42:50]

<capitalsown_>

oh by the way, my friend was helping someone I know install Arch over IRC, and the guy installing arch asked a question, and my friend told him to do "rm -rf * in /etc" as a joke, but the guy did it thinking he was serious.

[20:42:53]

<capitalsown_>

It was pretty funny

[20:42:55]

<capitalsown_>

Yes.

[20:43:02]

<capitalsown_>

And I'm pretty sure they are both local time too

[20:43:09]

<capitalsown_>

I don't think you can do UTC in windows

[20:43:44]

hmm weird.

[20:44:09]

<capitalsown_>

I should have done this a while ago.

[20:44:12]

they should get the time from the hardware clock by default

[20:44:14]

that's better

[20:44:41]

only reason it'd be off is if the timezone isnt right

[20:44:49]

nope, timezones are fine

[20:45:06]

Yes, common Linux "joke". Always funny if you are not the guy rebuilding you data :(

[20:45:23]

Well he didn't think it would have been taken seriously

[20:45:36]

Because the guy on the other end actually had linux experience

[20:45:51]

obviously no much experience..lol

[20:45:56]

no/not

[20:46:38]

Well I know better because it is such a commonly known trick it's an old saw

[20:47:21]

just like deltree C:\ q in windoze

[20:47:43]

or del C:\system32

[20:47:57]

or whatever the file location for system32 is :p

[20:48:08]

If nothing else, the ZipIt will improved your command line Fu

[20:48:11]

\windoze\system32

[20:48:27]

yes

[20:49:14]

this thing will also make great airport material considering all the emus it has

[20:50:01]

wickmips wicknix wickz2_

[20:50:11]

:p

[20:50:21]

heh

[20:50:25]

You are on from a lot of systems here

[20:50:39]

i have them all over the house

[20:51:56]

I came in after wicd, networkmanager et al, I'd never have know WPA Supplicant w/o ZipIt

[20:53:45]

have any of you guys tried running hulu on the thing?

[20:53:52]

Can it handle it?

[20:53:58]

Gotta go again, good luck cap. eight times the charm

he

heh8

:|

Heh**

thanks

see ya

havent tried hulu, by youtube videos work

[20:54:31]

by/but

[20:54:40]

Only streamed from another machine, look for Hulu and HunterDavis

[20:54:53]

Yeah I saw hunterdavis stream it

[20:55:04]

but I mean I'm talking about right on the device

[20:55:25]

Hulu has pretty high resolution, I don't know if the z2 can handle it

[20:55:58]

Also check out TinyOgg,com, plug in a YouTube URL and he transcodes it and come back ogg

[20:56:53]

alright

[20:57:52]

One of my goals is to learn ffmpeg transcoding and ask the guy if he will put up a ZipIt resolution specific page

[20:58:11]

that would be awesoem

[20:58:51]

Now we just need someone to transcode Hulu for us on the fly

[20:59:00]

yeah

[20:59:30]

right now the best you can do is download a television episode onto the SD itself but that eats up valuable space

[21:00:00]

alright I'm going to wait until :06 to remove the SD

[21:01:03]

hey wicknix wickmips do you think I should unmount and then wait five minutes?

[21:01:10]

or wait five minutes to unmount

[21:01:22]

I guess I could just wait five minutes to unmount

[21:01:29]

wait 5 then umount

[21:01:29]

and then five minutes after unmounting :p

[21:01:36]

then your ok

[21:01:37]

heh

[21:01:46]

And remember every new file brings you closer to SD death. Check yesterday's log for the discussion. Wait 5 then umout

[21:02:04]

what is this "SD death"?

[21:02:26]

gah google I don't want to know about murder cases in South Dakota...

[21:02:47]

where's the log at?

[21:04:18]

flash memory has a limited number of write cycles.

[21:04:32]

with modern flash, the limit is fairly high

[21:04:41]

oh hello muriani

[21:04:46]

Oh that's what he meant.

[21:04:52]

but eventually, it'll die.

[21:04:58]

heh don't know how much I'll get out of an 8 dollar one

[21:05:02]

you want to read more than write.

[21:05:10]

you'll get your money's worth, heh.

[21:05:34]

'eventually' as i'm still using a 6-7 year old CF card running linux on a hp jornada 720

[21:05:36]

You can just copy over the filesystem to a hard disk though right?

[21:05:58]

and then write it to a new SD when it dies

yes

alright

right

I'll unmount at :06

what timing

Ok wish me luck

here goes nothing

heh

Daily IRC log: http://linux.zipitwireless.com/irclogs/

UR being recorded

Oh noes

Crossing my fingers

hope this works

by the way, I think you were right wicknix. Fedora never prompted me that it was safe to remove the last time I unmounted

[21:10:07]

so that difference alone makes me feel good about thiss

YES

SUCCESS

cool

why you be hatin fedora?

[21:11:13]

it's all linux

[21:11:14]

:p

[21:11:21]

cuz it didnt warn you :P

[21:11:25]

Oh haha

[21:11:28]

awsome, can't talk, my distro experimentation puts me on OpenSUSE right now

[21:11:37]

Alright

[21:11:42]

good luck with that fiftyonefifty

so mousemulation

how to toggle?

options buton

button

toggles it on and off

[21:12:21]

how do I click?

[21:12:26]

middle button isn't doing it

[21:12:40]

the button to the left of the d-pad

[21:12:48]

the little one

[21:12:58]

Been good except when i find stuff not in the repos and this last week critical repos seem 2 be offline

[21:13:01]

the button in the d-pad is left click

[21:13:32]

Hard to take it sersiously when the repo server is named "deathknight"

heh

OK

so wifi

how does this work

its all automated

hm

just follow the prompts

[21:15:08]

Jag made Stop button left click so you can hold it and still use cursors to drag-n-drop

[21:15:33]

how do you type numbers?

[21:15:36]

you'll want to toggle mouse off for any 'text' input or the keymap is messed up

[21:16:08]

the .... key = ctrl the alt key = alt

[21:16:16]

hold alt+number key

[21:17:16]

alright I'm in "network configurator"

[21:18:06]

8 (alt-i) (use option to toggle mouse off to type) lets you edit /etc/WPA_Supplicant.conf. Replace his SSID and password with your own (assuming WAP uses WPA2). WPA1 does not work (at least not 4 me)

[21:18:58]

You may need to comment out 2 environment variables at top.

[21:21:27]

To save file, control-o "..." next to Z is <CTRL>, ^X to exit

[21:22:59]

Option 9 connects, tries every frequency so it takes a while. When you get an IP address, do ^D to leave WiFi running.

[21:23:36]

If open or WEP, do "2", for open leave pwd blank

[21:23:40]

everytime I do alt i I get ^[[19~ instead of 8

[21:23:51]

turn mouse off

[21:24:15]

lol thought I hit options to turn it off

[21:24:15]

Press <options> to turn mouse off for typing

[21:25:01]

With mouse on, upper row keys are function keys F1,F2,...F10

[21:25:47]

Password for wifi goes in "psk" right?

[21:25:56]

Yep

[21:27:08]

the environment variables start ctrl_interface...

[21:27:34]

You may need to make them #ctrl_interface..

[21:27:56]

if I don't need too, will it hurt too?

[21:28:57]

See if it connects. I have DLink router and I had to comment them out. Same to get on a client's DLink.

[21:29:50]

Leaving again

[21:37:39]

wicknix, you still here?

[21:43:12]

yep

[22:01:16]

<user___>

hello

[22:01:46]

:P

[22:02:57]

<user___>

Is this a zipit developer channel?

[22:03:36]

at times, yes

[22:04:33]

<user___>

I am using my zipit to post this, just testing. it automatically connected to this channel

[22:05:40]

by default it does yes.

[22:07:29]

<user___>

cool, for the money this device is awesome. Just wondering if anyone has gcc on this device or are you cross compiling?

[22:08:00]

i do neither. i just use apt-get to install packages

[22:08:18]

apt-get install packagename

[22:08:36]

say you want irssi irc client

[22:08:42]

apt-get install irssi

[22:08:46]

will install it

[22:08:57]

<user___>

thought that there might be times that you need to compile from source

[22:09:20]

possibly, but the debian sid repositories are huge

[22:10:22]

<user___>

I have used the apt-get and it does work sweet.

[22:11:12]

<user___>

I think Hunter Davis compiled dosbox to get it to work on this device

[22:12:41]

<user___>

I used apt-get to get dosbox but it does not fix the screen properly and was very slow.

[22:13:38]

yea 32mb of ram and a 320x240 screen limits a lot

[22:14:25]

<user___>

yea

[22:15:57]

<user___>

I have noticed that the memory usage is very high on my unit. Even with not load is this normal. I upped my swap to 64mb

[22:17:45]

depends on what you have running. i average about 15-20mb mem used with just the desktop running and 2 terminals open.

[22:19:56]

http://www.hostwork.com/users/matt/zipitz2/image/z2-desktop.png <--my zipits desktop with conky running and irssi

[22:20:23]

<user___>

well I will check, I am at 28916k used 968k free. That is with lostirc and xterm open

[22:21:40]

<user___>

I will check the link but not on the zipit

[22:24:49]

<user___>

Nice desktop screenshot. Is that a script you put together to display system info?

[22:25:28]

<user___>

sorry if I sound like a noob.

[22:25:42]

yea, i modified conky's config

[22:26:01]

thats whats showing battery status by default on your desktop

[22:26:22]

i just changed the config for it

[22:26:33]

<user___>

really, I will have to check it out.

[22:27:06]

should be in ~/.conkyrc

[22:27:34]

you can google for various conky layouts for ideas

[22:27:40]

<user___>

cool, how did you create the bar graphs?

[22:29:01]

<user___>

I will google it, I don't want to waist your time

[22:29:02]

check this page out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865

[22:29:13]

<user___>

thanks

[22:29:57]

<user___>

Do you have mplayer @ fullspeed with divx?

[22:30:31]

depends on the encoding

[22:31:15]

i have a lot of movies i encoded to 320x240 @ 15fps for my phone, and those play fine on the zipit

[22:31:47]

<user___>

I used super to encode but at 25fps.

[22:31:55]

i doubt a 700mb divx will play very well

[22:32:05]

oh hai

[22:32:08]

wicknix

[22:32:11]

<user___>

yea it was 500mb

[22:32:29]

By the way, it doesn't appear to charge when off. Is it charging?

[22:33:15]

should be.. heh

[22:33:35]

<user___>

I noticed that, and it boots when I plug power in when off.

[22:34:04]

mines always on... never noticed really

[22:34:17]

its a webserver / irc log machine

[22:34:23]

Well it says it's charged. Nothing happens while it's charging though

[22:34:32]

<user___>

thats awesome

[22:34:59]

also how do I make it so it defaults to a specific wifi connection?

[22:35:02]

actually

[22:35:09]

meh, not really an issue for me

[22:35:10]

and occasionally a toilet surfer/chatter..lol

[22:36:16]

<user___>

I put doom on and that has made my day.

[22:37:12]

Yeah i'm glad I got this thing set up. All of those emus are going to make waiting in the airport a breeze

[22:37:58]

<user___>

did you figue out how to map the keys to fce ultra?

[22:39:24]

pff

[22:39:31]

can you enable javascript on this thing?

[22:39:51]

<user___>

I live in Canada, once I found out about this thing I had to have one. I paid $70 with shipping

[22:40:12]

<user___>

Java, yes I believe so

[22:40:20]

they don't have them in canada at target?

[22:40:25]

no, js not java

[22:40:35]

<user___>

We dont have Target

[22:41:11]

<user___>

oh javascript I dont know sorry

[22:44:26]

Well not sure about hulu

[22:44:35]

I doubt I could get any flash support on this thing

[22:45:03]

But HunterDavis streaming quality leads me to believe that it may play shows stored on your card fairly well

[22:46:41]

user___: what userland are you using?

[22:47:37]

<user___>

I am using rc1-pre2

[22:47:42]

ah

[22:47:53]

soundguy's. Also known as Jag apparently.

[22:47:55]

OK

[22:48:03]

have you tried any of the emus yet?

[22:48:22]

<user___>

I see, what userlad are u using

[22:48:53]

same

[22:49:04]

<user___>

yes I tried fce but cant get the keys to work

[22:49:53]

<user___>

scummvm works well I added a few games but without a real mouse its kinda hard

[22:50:13]

alright cool.

[22:50:19]

I won't bother testing those out.

[22:50:23]

I'm gonna go to bed

[22:50:26]

see ya later guys

[22:50:32]

<user___>

bye

[22:50:32]

thanks

[23:17:27]

theres quake as well

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