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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<Adnyxo> |
morning rkdavis |
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<rkdavis> |
so what did i miss? anything interesting happen while i was sleeping? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: so you got a reply from zipit? and they basically said no, there are no pads for anything interesting? |
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<dTal> |
They said "no, we can't tell you". |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh thats what you were talking about last night |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: ah ok |
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<Adnyxo> |
have you identified the board? |
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<dTal> |
Adnyxo: what do you mean? |
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<Adnyxo> |
the motherboard |
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<Adnyxo> |
or does it even matter? |
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<dTal> |
It's a, uhh, zipit motherboard |
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<dTal> |
You mean what revision? |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: there are lots of little pads on the mb and once you have eliminated the jtag and serial pads that still leaves a few that culd be intereting |
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<rkdavis> |
and without removing the cpu and actually tracing them there really isn't anyway of knowing unless zipit would spill the beans -- obviously they won't so that really just leaves someone to do a trace |
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<aliosa27> |
i bought a fried zipit just for the lcd..i should just remove the cpu and do some tracing..unless someone else has |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: lokichaos was going to but don't know how far he got |
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<rkdavis> |
if naywhere |
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<aliosa27> |
its an excuse to use the rework station today...yeh!! |
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<rkdavis> |
heh any excuse eh? |
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<rkdavis> |
you've been looking for an excuse to use the big toys for ages |
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<rkdavis> |
while you are at it take a look at the ram chips too as i did a look up on them and there are pin compatable versions with twice the ram in them that wudl fit and should work as drop in replacements other than they are bga and they are a pig to handle |
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<Adnyxo> |
a ram upgrade? that would be great |
| [09:29:27] |
<Adnyxo> |
im trying to make the ultimate upgraded zipit z2 |
| [09:30:04] |
<Adnyxo> |
so when i change its case i can hopefully add usb, a better battery, ram, and more buttons |
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<Mcavity> |
lol |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: hmmmmm it'd be cheaper to buy a macbook :) |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea |
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<Adnyxo> |
but hey it cant hurt to set lofty goals |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: and a ram upgrade is almost impossible without specialised tools and skills even if it was possible, it's not like things liek the nslu2 where you could piggyback chips (or 80s homemicros) |
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<Adnyxo> |
so ill add usb, better battery and 8 extra buttons |
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<rkdavis> |
don't forget replace the wifi chip, painting it with candy apple green glitter paint and the 21" monitor |
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<Adnyxo> |
i was thinking 24" |
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<rkdavis> |
got bloody big pockets then |
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<rkdavis> |
you could put a generator on a radioflyer and have it portable too |
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<Adnyxo> |
also im going to upgrade the motherboard, ad a core i7, raedon hd 5870, full keyboard, solar power and still in the same form factor |
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<rkdavis> |
solar power is probably doable :) |
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<rkdavis> |
although i know nothing about solar power other than i've seen alot of cellphone solar power chargers recently |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<Adnyxo> |
well even if it is a bit unpractical, im going to try and make it work |
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<Adnyxo> |
the better battery and stuff not the core i7 ;-) |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: good luck to you |
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<rkdavis> |
the battery should be just a matter of finding something more modern that'll fit and work |
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<Adnyxo> |
i mean, it couldnt hurt anyone but me |
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<rkdavis> |
might have to do some soldering for the connector though |
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<Adnyxo> |
well that i can manage |
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<rkdavis> |
and i really don't like soldering batteries that much, i'll do it but always at arms length |
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<Adnyxo> |
i take that back, when i come in here asking silly questions it could hurt you |
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<rkdavis> |
i've experiences cell batteries that got too hot |
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<rkdavis> |
ok it was when i was in school and they were hearing aid batteries put in the metalwork shop forge btut i still have the scars |
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<Adnyxo> |
ill be careful |
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<Adnyxo> |
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15000 how bout adding this to the zipit! |
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<rkdavis> |
the following term the metal work shop was moved to another block of the school and the forge was removed |
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<rkdavis> |
cute |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea |
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<rkdavis> |
not badly priced either |
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<Adnyxo> |
if you could build the zipit into the back of it and just use the lcd, it would make a chumby! |
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<rkdavis> |
dunno about how you'd convert the zipit to output rca though -- haven't looked at the specs so it might also do something else too |
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<Adnyxo> |
so should i get a samsung p3 or a cowon s9? |
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<Adnyxo> |
im leaning to the s9 cause of amoled |
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<Adnyxo> |
do you guys have any suggestions ? p3 or s9 |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh on the phone to taiwan |
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<Adnyxo> |
why? |
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<rkdavis> |
because i am trying to track down the part for the mic socket |
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<rkdavis> |
i rang a company in the states and they passed me to hing kong who passed me to taiwan |
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<rkdavis> |
but semi-good news although alot of bad news |
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<rkdavis> |
they will get me the part number but it'll take a few days as they have to search by hand because it's an old part |
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<rkdavis> |
but if i have to order them from them and they don't have them available they'd want a minimum order of 1000 peices to be willing to produce them :( |
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<rkdavis> |
so Adnyxo i can put you down for 995 of them? :) |
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<Adnyxo> |
yes |
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<Adnyxo> |
;-) |
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<Adnyxo> |
well depends how much tey are |
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<Adnyxo> |
but not 995! |
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<Adnyxo> |
if we get a mic, we could use it as a voip phone or use skype |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: not sure yet but hopefully we can hit the after market sites rather than direct fromt he factory |
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<rkdavis> |
said they'd let me know by tuesday next week the part number at least |
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<rkdavis> |
and whether they have them available or if it would require a new run -- the part was from 2002 so they probably don't have any lying around |
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<Adnyxo> |
that unfortunate |
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<Adnyxo> |
the mic port is the one next to the headphones, right? |
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<rkdavis> |
it's a builtin thing but yes |
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<rkdavis> |
the headphones/mic came in a single piece of plastic |
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<rkdavis> |
i could possibly make my own as i have the pin labels but be nicer to have the /official/ ones as they'd look neater that a lump of modelling clay with some connectors stuck on it |
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<Adnyxo> |
the dis has a similar port on the side next to the headphone jack |
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<Adnyxo> |
is that related? |
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<rkdavis> |
it's been tried already, no go it's almost the same but different and missing two contacts |
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<rkdavis> |
but it looks similar |
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<rkdavis> |
ok egg salad time i think |
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<rkdavis> |
oooo i make good egg salad :) |
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<Adnyxo> |
eh, i dont really like egg salad |
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<rkdavis> |
well not my favourite sandwich filling but wife wanted it for lunch today so i made a large batch and well i make good egg salad :) |
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<dTal> |
Wait, why do we want a different headphone socket? |
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<dTal> |
You already can use the zipit for voip with the appropriate connector |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: this is the connector i am trying to lovcate |
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<dTal> |
just make it yourself |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: if you can find something that plugs into the mic then you are a better googler than me and no the nintendo ds doesn't work |
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<dTal> |
get a stereo 8th inch plug, wire one of the channels into mic and one into earphone |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: yes for one or two that's ok but for more than that and i have a friend with 10 zipits so would want 10 headsets |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: why would i use an 8" plug? |
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<dTal> |
8th, not 8 |
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<dTal> |
1/8 " |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: there are plenty of hacks to do it but none are neat and tidy and not hackish looking |
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<rkdavis> |
i use modeling clay and copper ribbon for mucking around but to actually take it out in the street i'd prefer the /official/ cable |
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<dTal> |
I don't understand what the problem is. Are we talking at cross purposes? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: probably |
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<dTal> |
What's this about modelling clay? |
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<rkdavis> |
the headset socket in the zipit is a weird part |
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<dTal> |
Oh are you talking about the square thing? |
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<rkdavis> |
the mic part id rectangular and 4 contacts |
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<dTal> |
I don't think you need that |
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<rkdavis> |
the actual part looks like the nintendo one with the rectangle and headphone jack in the same bit of plastic |
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<dTal> |
if you set the sound chip to "headset" mode it sets one channel of the regular socket to mic and one to earphone |
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<rkdavis> |
there does seem to be a mic in the rear too but for professionalism it's nice to have the real part |
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<dTal> |
I haven't tested it, but I'm 80 percent certain that's how it works |
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<rkdavis> |
gpsfan did a hack and replaced the conenctor but i prefer to use the official conenctors if possible |
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<dTal> |
Do you really need stereo headphones and a mic at the same time? |
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<rkdavis> |
yes |
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<dTal> |
Enough to warrant the effort of ordering the weird part instead of spending a dollar at radio shack? |
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<rkdavis> |
yes because the weird part id the /proper/ way to do it -- and for some people (clients) that is important and hopefully i can find some without the company remaking |
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<rkdavis> |
if they have to remake i'll make my own as it'd be cheaper but prefer to get the real deal |
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<dTal> |
Well, if you really want to, but I'm sure there are pre-made headsets with the microphone that work fine without any modding, and probably cheaper than the weird part. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: we've looked for at least a year and no none of the existing headsets with that style connector work |
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<rkdavis> |
this is something we have been looking for since november 2008 at least |
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<dTal> |
I'm not talking about the square thingy. |
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<rkdavis> |
and there have been about 10 people who have tried about 30 different ones |
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<rkdavis> |
well i am |
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<rkdavis> |
the headphoens are easy |
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<rkdavis> |
standard part but the mic isn't |
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<dTal> |
But I don't see why the square thingy is important. |
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<rkdavis> |
the square thing is the IMPORTANT thing, noone cares about headphones |
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<rkdavis> |
because it's the frigging mic socket |
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<dTal> |
You can set the regular headphone jack to act as a microphone jack. |
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<dTal> |
And you can set it to be half-and-half. |
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<rkdavis> |
not on this chip |
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<rkdavis> |
in this device |
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<rkdavis> |
gpsfan had to replace the whole thing to get mic |
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<dTal> |
You've tried? |
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<dTal> |
Seems like it'd be a function of the sound chip. |
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<rkdavis> |
not how it's wired up |
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<rkdavis> |
the chip may well do it but i'm 50/50 on that but not how it's currently wired up |
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<rkdavis> |
i guess it's a matter of philosiphy too -- i prefer to use the real thing if possible -- i'll hack on something but i liek to keep at leeast one as virgin as possible even if the others look like frankensteins monster |
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<dTal> |
I don't understand how you'd wire it up so it didn't work. |
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<dTal> |
But nothing beats evidence. Let me try. |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
yup go for it |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh thing there is a cable tv outage :( |
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<rkdavis> |
now what am i goign to use for background noise |
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<Adnyxo> |
how about bluetooth in the zipit |
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<ogmious09> |
I swear sometimes trying to get something through to dTal is a chore |
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<Adnyxo> |
like what? |
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<ogmious09> |
Well, that the Zipit was made for more than just him and what his opinion of what it should be. I mean it's ok that he wants to use it a certain way but if you don't want to use it in the same fashion he will sit here and argue with you |
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<Adnyxo> |
ah i see |
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<rkdavis> |
ogmious09: nope i understand what he was saying but mostly we've been through all this nearly 14 months ago. there are /hacks/ that will work but as much as i'm a slob in person i'm OCD and a neat freak about my gadgets -- i want them to look pretty |
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<Adnyxo> |
heh same here |
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<Adnyxo> |
but then why not get apple devices, theyre all pretty |
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<rkdavis> |
because when i mean pretty i don't mean artsy fartsy yuppie pretty i mean macho real man pretty not metrosexual apple crap |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<Adnyxo> |
metro? |
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<rkdavis> |
debian users are patcholi smelling sandle wearing communist hippes, apple suers are guyliner metrosexual yuppies |
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<Adnyxo> |
youve successfully turned me against debian |
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<ogmious09> |
I understand what he was saying too but he almost come down to condescending because he "did not understand why the port was necessary". His own word. Well that's ok but no one asked him to approve him or to understand it |
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<rkdavis> |
real men use S-100 bus based systems |
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<Adnyxo> |
now im on fedora |
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<rkdavis> |
ogmious09: he's actually right in a way, yes it would be possible to reroute around the rectangular connector in theory but you would end up with a mess probably and not something i can sell to my clients or would want to be seen out in public with |
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<rkdavis> |
he is right although only if the wolfson chip is logical |
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<rkdavis> |
but i'm not sure anything int he zipit is logical :) |
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<ogmious09> |
That's just one example rkdavis and you know what I mean |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
there is actually a much better and neater way to get mic input but it goes against the grain for me as the correct socket exists - the rear connector has mic and headphone input |
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<Adnyxo> |
;-} |
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<dTal> |
Well, I succeeded only in generating a lot of feedback noise - presumably from internal crosstalk. |
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<ogmious09> |
Indee |
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<ogmious09> |
no point in putting on the last "D" |
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<Adnyxo> |
so ive decided to get the cowon s9 |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmmm i wonder what the yellow wire on the batter connector is |
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<rkdavis> |
got 3 plus, munix and a yellow one |
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<Adnyxo> |
close your eyes and choose one |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: yes keep an eye out for reports of a large explosion in nyc |
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<ogmious09> |
Sure the yellow is not just a Temperature sensor in the pack? |
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<rkdavis> |
could be |
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<ogmious09> |
Seeing as how you mentioned the president of Zipit is a little paranoid about people modding this thing to where it explodes |
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<rkdavis> |
yup at least 90% of the license agreement is about not exploding the thing :) |
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<rkdavis> |
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8483 |
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<rkdavis> |
would need the connector changing but looks like it'd fit |
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<Adnyxo> |
and how much better battery would you get? |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: sod knows -- i'd liek to add 25% to life |
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<Adnyxo> |
what would i look for in a bigger battery? with my case mod ill have more room |
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<ogmious09> |
3.7 volts that just a hair over two A123 cells together. Could prolly make a little clip on extended battery pack for this thing. it would act like a pedestal arm in the back to lean the zipit forward when placed on a table. |
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<ogmious09> |
Like those 9 cell extended life battery backs for laptops that do the same thing |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: i'd look for the same voltage and preferably the same connector and then get a larger mAh (unless i am an idiot) |
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<Adnyxo> |
so look for the same thing with more mAh |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: don't quote me as it's been 30 years since my last physics exam but yup i htink so |
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<rkdavis> |
but if you do as i say without checking you could become a large crater in the ground |
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<Adnyxo> |
okay |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: foxx or someone hardwarey is probably the best peson to actually ask about batteries |
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<rkdavis> |
i only know enough to be dangerous |
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<Adnyxo> |
ive heard to look for more mah other places too |
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<Adnyxo> |
ill be careful ;_0 |
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<Adnyxo> |
;-) |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol messed up shift |
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<ogmious09> |
Built a good amount of battery packs in my time for laptops and other little projects so I am pretty confident in that statement |
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<ogmious09> |
Usually you have a clearance of +/- .5 volts so you'd be within range |
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<rkdavis> |
it'd definatly be interesting to workout what the 3rd wire is but looks like alot of batteries that would fit in there and give a longer life on battery power, not sure howwell they'd charge but i guess that would work ok too |
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<ogmious09> |
The A123 cells are 1.5 volts each so two together would actually have you coming in at .7 minus which should be enough to power it, might shut off under a heavy load but I doubt it |
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<aliosa27> |
if anyone needs some 1-2 cell lipo's let me know(Build and fly choppers as well) |
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<ogmious09> |
as long as they are lithium polymer after a few cycles the on board charger should adjust to them and charge em itself |
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<ogmious09> |
it would charge em anyways just the battery meter would be off |
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<rkdavis> |
ogmious09: WHAT battery meter? :) |
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<rkdavis> |
actually there is a chip in there but who knows what it does i think it just thinks of random numbers when you query it |
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<ogmious09> |
we may not have a 100% functional software monitoring yet but there is circuitry in there monitoring it |
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<ogmious09> |
It has to with lithium polymer and lithium Ion, has to be precise |
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<rkdavis> |
have to have a browse in radioshack see what they have then come back and actually order a few |
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<aliosa27> |
otherwise we would all have big puffed packs ready to blow up |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: cat /sys/class/power_supply/Z2/voltage_now |
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<dTal> |
gives you the current voltage, roughly |
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<dTal> |
short of anything else, we could script a better capacity estimator |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i know that however not available in stock and the numbers are never quite thewre |
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<dTal> |
I'm sure the original proprietary userland had a more precise voltage meter |
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<dTal> |
oh? stock definitely has some sort of voltage meter |
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<ogmious09> |
I built an electric motorcycle but I wussed out and took the easy route with sealed lead acid batteries but I have down lithium ion, and Nicad batteries for other projects, surprisingly none having to do with any remote vehicles |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: sweetlilmre actually wrote a battery level app, worked well within the limitations but nothing is that acurate |
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<dTal> |
but I agree, it's all a bit voodoo |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: yes in the stock app not in z2shell |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: we've been there, done that, bought the tee-shirt and read the book, the movie sucked |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: alot of stuff is possible if you move to a .29 or above kernel but most of the stuff i fiddle with is on my stock zipit, so i have to workaround the limitations of that kernel and alot of stuff is in the stock app that isn't accessible without reverse engineering it and that's a nono |
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<rkdavis> |
i have 1 u-booted zipit for pissing aorund with but my /serious/ work is doen in stock |
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<rkdavis> |
if you can call mucking aroudn with frame buffers to draw pretty graphics serious work |
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<Adnyxo> |
ogmious09, do you think this will work for securing plastic in my case mod? http://www.micromark.com/SQUADRON-GREEN-PUTTY-46-OZ,6412.html |
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<rkdavis> |
ok housework time |
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<Adnyxo> |
fun |
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<rkdavis> |
well it's either that or prepare for the wife on a rampage tonight as i did kinda let it slip this week |
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<needhelp2> |
Hi, I have got openZipIt on my zipit2 (using images from Aliosa27 0 and can start dillo..however when I try to get the mouse going I find that some of the keys dont work..to get the keys working, I have to turn of the mouse. |
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<aliosa27> |
old z2 |
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<aliosa27> |
mouse |
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<aliosa27> |
you might want to migrate over to the rootnexus image |
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<needhelp2> |
does anybody know what I can do to remove this...so to move to rootnexus image, do I need to repeat the flash step ? |
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<needhelp2> |
i am worried because I bricked my first one during the flash stage |
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<needhelp2> |
btw I have zipIt2 |
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<Adnyxo> |
no need to reflash the bootloader, just reformat the sd card and put the new image on it |
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<Adnyxo> |
i sure wish dealextreme shipped faster |
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<muriani> |
half the time dealextreme isn't even shipping |
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<muriani> |
they're placing an order somewhere in HK, and they ship to you from there |
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<Adnyxo> |
heh |
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<Adnyxo> |
well, its cheap |
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<ogmious09> |
Hey rkdavis you around still? |
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<ogmious09> |
Foxx you ever looked at the A123 cells? |
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<rkdavis> |
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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<rkdavis> |
i have just found the sickest site on the internet evah!!!!!!!!!!! |
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<rkdavis> |
http://seemerot.com/ |
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<rkdavis> |
webcams in coffins -- omg |
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<rkdavis> |
although their motto is pretty good |
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<ogmious09> |
rkdavis: |
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<rkdavis> |
yes |
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<ogmious09> |
how the hell did you find that site? |
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<rkdavis> |
i was watching qi |
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<rkdavis> |
and they mentioned it so i had to look at it |
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<ogmious09> |
hey chekc this |
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<ogmious09> |
http://www.a123systems.com/a123/products |
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<ogmious09> |
just one of those would bring us close enough to the voltage that it would power the zipit and look at the amp hours on that |
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<rkdavis> |
yup i saw |
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<ogmious09> |
I would have zero problem with just one of those hanging off the back in a littl clip on, not bigger than a chapstick holder, would power the zipit for days |
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<rkdavis> |
i did have a look into doing soemsort of piggyback thingy for the zipit but just doing it as double a's to the mains hole |
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<ogmious09> |
and those are what they put in those new high power dewalt 36 volt drill battery packs |
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<rkdavis> |
thise would probably work well actually to the battery connecotr |
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<ogmious09> |
So buy one battery pack and you get a bunch of them . Yeah to the battery connector is what I am thinking. |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm looking at the ones for the prius -- i'm thinking maybe 72 days per charge :) |
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<ogmious09> |
You go through the mains and you waste enrgy trying to charge the internal battery. All units need more volts to charge and run but to just run off a battery that 3.3 would be fine |
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<rkdavis> |
i just wish i knew what the third wire is, it's proably some sort of sensorfor the battery chip but exactly what i'm not sure and how will not having it effect the zipit |
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<ogmious09> |
I'm confident enough that it's just a thermal sensor of some sort to give it a go |
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<rkdavis> |
might even be like some of the dell psu things where if you use a non-dell powersupply it won't charge the battery |
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<ogmious09> |
might be like the 3rd pin in Dell PSU |
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<ogmious09> |
beat me to it |
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<rkdavis> |
yup i had to get a friend to get a new one under warentee recently they had 4 days to get to dell to get it |
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<ogmious09> |
Yeah the 3rd middle pin is a 12 volt for logic, tells it, that it's a standard dell ac adapter and without it wont charge your battery |
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<rkdavis> |
the powersupply seemed to lose it's dell branding and the battery wouldn't charge, apparently a common fault |
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<ogmious09> |
you can bypass it pretty easy |
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<ogmious09> |
but anyways, between the two I doubt it's detrimental |
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<rkdavis> |
well it shouldn't do much damage to just try it, that's how alot of things are discovered -- just try it |
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<ogmious09> |
I'll throw a switch into the line, connect ti put inside an old computer case and throw the switch, monitor the temp with a laser temp |
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<Adnyxo> |
ogmious, i ended up buying that battery off woot |
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<Adnyxo> |
will you still be looking into that? |
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<ogmious09> |
I've used those batteries in other projects and I know that those are the batteries they use in the Tesla Roadster distributed all over the body |
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<ogmious09> |
It's just the third wire that is a little iffy to me as well, I dont wanna go mains just because I dont wanna waste energy trying to power the charging circuit |
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<rkdavis> |
i asked about it earlier but the person i know in zipit wasn't actually around when the zipit was designed so he doesn't actually know much |
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<rkdavis> |
but it being yellow does give some credence to it being a sensor or temp wire |
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<rkdavis> |
the red and black are obvious and standard and most place i've seen a yellow wire it's been on a one wire temp sensor or that it looks pretty in a collection of wires |
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<ogmious09> |
well only need one hand for typing and pleasure so might as well give it a go. it's a pretty mellow mod, so shouldn't be to bad |
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<rkdavis> |
ok which one of you stole my remote |
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<rkdavis> |
ah sod it i'll put some msic on instead, not liek there is anything good on tv |
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<Mcavity> |
true. im so not into olymipcs this year |
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<rkdavis> |
well i liek the olympics but nbc isn't showing the stuff i want to watch so i am collecting all the bittorrent things fromt he bbc and avoiding the results |
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<rkdavis> |
so i'll watch them all in one go next week |
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<rkdavis> |
i like curling, ski jumping and the biatholon |
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<rkdavis> |
always fancied trying skijumping but not a strong tradition of it in the uk |
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<rkdavis> |
when i was growing up |
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<Mcavity> |
cool |
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<rkdavis> |
curling is just crown green bowling on ice and i played that when i was a teen/young adult |
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<rkdavis> |
i like the ice hockey too and i like to annoy canadians who say it isn't ice hockey it's hockey -- i liek to remind them that hockey is actually a different and older game :) |
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<rkdavis> |
and it'll be fun in 2012 as cricket is going to replace baseball -- so we should know the gold medal in crickey just in time for the 2016 olympics |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey i like baseball |
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<rkdavis> |
yo adnyxo-zipit |
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<rkdavis> |
ye gods i feel old, do you realise the 80s was 3 decades ago |
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