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<user___> |
suo |
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sup |
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help |
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<user___> |
hello |
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<Mcavity> |
morning |
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<Mcavity> |
humm at some point quake shut off. trying to find out when |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey mcavity, what were your results on the battery test? |
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<Mcavity> |
hey |
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<Mcavity> |
well i got about 5.5 hours but it looks like quake shuts down aftoer about 30-45 min if you dont play it. |
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<Mcavity> |
weirdness |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
so need to try something else for full load |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
maybe doom will work |
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<dTal> |
cat /dev/null >> /dev/full |
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<dTal> |
wait, other way round |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
lol |
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<Adnyxo> |
okay |
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<dTal> |
or you could just fire up X |
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<dTal> |
that'd work |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<dTal> |
:p |
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<Adnyxo> |
that was good |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
was 5.5 under x |
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<Adnyxo> |
do you know at what point it is better to turn off the zipit as opposed to leaving it closed? like does it waste more power if you leave it on standby for 30 minutes or if you shutdown adn then have to reboot? |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
cpu load under x is not to bad |
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<dTal> |
so, I think I heard talk of a way of managing the lid switch without checking the status every second |
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<dTal> |
but I don't recall the details |
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<Adnyxo> |
that would save power, no? |
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<dTal> |
depends, but hopefully yes |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
me aither.. but i dont know how long you could do standby |
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<dTal> |
it'd be cool because I leave the lid switch script off all the time |
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<dTal> |
but if it were managed I could save battery life by closing the lid |
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<dTal> |
what kind of life do you get best case (minimum load, backlights and amp off)? |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
just under 6 hours |
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<dTal> |
I'm sure I've got that even usong it every now and again |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
yea havent beat 6 hours yet |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
but 5-6 hours is a good run time |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
for a palm pc lol |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
i have got to figur out the buttons for the gb emu |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea im having trouble with that |
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<Adnyxo> |
i tried manually editing the keymap |
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<Adnyxo> |
but it stayed the same |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
bla |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
hi fifty |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
morning |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Quick question, how do I get "%" (needed to inset CLI parameters in a script). The chart I got from rk shows <Shift><ALT>M, but nano just tells me the mouse is enabled/disabled (mouse works in nano w/o X running) |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
toggleing mouse does not work? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I ^C'd out of loading X, I wasn't thinking of seeing if the alternate keymap was an option. Doesn't look like it, I'm at the promt now and one way (Option toggle) I get $, other way nothing from <shift><alt>M |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Adnyxo: Thought of an idea for your case mod, how about on old time silver cigarrette case. Or a hip flask cut in half? Keep it from getting crushed if you sat on it. |
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<Adnyxo> |
sounds cool |
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<Adnyxo> |
well |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
hi hi |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey rk |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
morning rk, I forgot the link to the key chart you gave me a while back, so I put it on my site (only thing there) and linked it to the wiki. Thought it might cut down on the "how do I get this key" questions |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: np -- it's a bit out of date when compared to the keymap but it has most of the keys on there |
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<rkdavis> |
really should update it sometime |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
On that note, how do I get "%" |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmm |
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<rkdavis> |
it is on a key somewhere |
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<rkdavis> |
do you have access to your keymap.map file atm |
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<rkdavis> |
try shift-alt-m |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
That's what it is supposed to be, not working for me ATM |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
n k |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
no workie |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: ok if you can open your keymap file search for the word percent |
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<rkdavis> |
shoudl tell you what it's on |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I have pre1 extracted on my hard drive, looking in keymap.map |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Had to open different editor, gedit grayed out search field (?). Anyway, no percent |
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<rkdavis> |
ok so where would you like it to be? on the m key? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
That's fine, how do I resolve keycodes to actual keys? |
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<rkdavis> |
if you scroll down to the line that says 50 that shoud;l be the m key |
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<rkdavis> |
let me open one of my keymaps to get you the exact line |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
if you scroll down to the lines that start keycode 50 = |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I have "keycode 58 = m M question ", just add "percent" ? |
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<rkdavis> |
ok not sure of the lokichaos/jagsph format but yup should be ok |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
thanks, I'll try that |
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<rkdavis> |
my version is this on a line before keycode 51 |
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<rkdavis> |
shift altgr keycode 50 = percent |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Requires a reboot? |
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<rkdavis> |
but i turned the alt into altgr because linsk works better that way |
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<rkdavis> |
nope you need to reload the map |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
altgr is what key |
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<rkdavis> |
so actually yes because you'll need to restart X |
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<rkdavis> |
mcavity-zippy: i changed my keymap -- haveing alt on the alt ket flucks up links so i turned the alt ket into the altgr |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
and i prefer it that way as it stops some conflits |
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<rkdavis> |
i can do alt-1 alot easier for instence |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
you try netsurf yet? |
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<rkdavis> |
not yet, i haven't had time and as i said lasttime the dependencies bit me |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
and i was looking at some qt webkit stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
there is a qt version of midori called arora or something |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
might be worth it but midori was slooow |
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<rkdavis> |
but i have a bigger project atm, trying to get control of the console correctly for stuff like dialog where you'd need to redirect both stdin and stdout and it currently isn't happy if you do |
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<rkdavis> |
netsurf is actually pretty slow too |
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<rkdavis> |
i did play with it on a desktop recently, it's ok and does alot of nice stuff but it can be slw |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
ya..but metter than midori and renders well |
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<rkdavis> |
no javascript though |
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<rkdavis> |
but does have at east partial html5 |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
ya |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Thanks rk, that works in X at least |
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<dTal> |
The problem with all "full" browsers is ram, I think |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
pastebin it |
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<dTal> |
i.e. we haven't any |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
netsurf should work ok with low memory |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: yup you'd need to change both keymaps for it to work in console too |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
-- etc/keymap ? |
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<rkdavis> |
not sure where he put then but whichever one you didn't just change |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
k |
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<dTal> |
so I just did an interesting computation |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
ok |
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<dTal> |
1230mAh x 3.7 volts = 16383 joules |
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<dTal> |
divided by 100 watts = 164 seconds |
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<dTal> |
which means with a suitable way of storing the energy, it's possible to get all the energy required to charge a zipit battery from an airline shaving outlet in under 3 minutes |
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<dTal> |
I realise this is useless info, but it's interesting to think about |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
lol |
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<dTal> |
about how long does it take to fully charge the zipit from flat? I've never done any controlled tests |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
no idea never had a good way to tell |
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<dTal> |
well the adapter is 6 watts so at full power it would take about 45 minutes |
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<dTal> |
but of course li-ions aren't charged that way |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
heh |
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<dTal> |
the current provided decreases as the cells charge up |
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<dTal> |
odd that the adapter provides the power in the form of 5 volts when charging voltage is 3.7 or somesuch |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
maybe to run it without battery? |
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<dTal> |
but the zipit runs at 3.7 too |
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<dTal> |
unless it's converted internally |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
charge while running |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
lol |
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<dTal> |
that's a power limitation, not voltage |
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<dTal> |
and 6 watts is on the money for initial charge power for this battery |
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<dTal> |
most of the internal components run at 3.7 too |
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<dTal> |
which is sensible, of course |
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<dTal> |
hmm, this battery only has an energy density of 413 joules per cubic centimeter |
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<dTal> |
wiki says li-ions have 900 - 1900 |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
do de doo |
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<dTal> |
wonder if a better battery could be found? |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
make one? |
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<dTal> |
you'd have to commission it from a place that did them, and while it could be done, you'd need a minimum order |
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<dTal> |
wonder if there's enough market to make it worthwile? |
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<dTal> |
minimum order would be something like 100 batteries |
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<dTal> |
I guess it depends how much better it was |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
get 10 hours maybe |
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<dTal> |
if wiki is to be believed, more than that |
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<dTal> |
at 900 j/cm3, we'd get maybe 12 hours (double current) |
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<dTal> |
at 1200, we'd get triple: 18 hours |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
rater insane lol |
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<dTal> |
I expect the higher-tech ones are more expensive - still, I'd pay a fair bit for 18 hours of life on a zipit |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
humm you know a slightly bigger screen with slighty more memory and it would make a hell of a ntbook |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
cpu wise i think its ok |
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<dTal> |
I'm fine with the screen, actually |
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<dTal> |
all it needs is a bit of love |
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<dTal> |
I actually bought mine to be my primary mobile internet device - it's working pretty well at that |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
cool |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
i play with it..its fun |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
want to take it with me to the alamo drafthouse somtime |
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<LT[LC]> |
if the keypad were any quieter, maybe i'd bring it to class to be funny while taking notes |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
hehe |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
hy rkdavis have you tried a usb mouse / keyboard yet? |
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<rkdavis> |
mcavity-zippy: nope because 1 i don't care about mose and keyboard only storage and other devices and 2. not done the mods required yet. but i do have oe running to build the kernel for testing -- shoudl be finished in an hour or two |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
sweet |
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<rkdavis> |
probably do some mucking around with the s/w later today or tomorrow and it'll take a few days for the conecctor to arrive |
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<rkdavis> |
so i can't do any real testing until it does |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
well good luck |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
heh |
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<rkdavis> |
the first thing though is to check the patches build correctly on the .33 kernel and then see about backporting if possible |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
im intrested in things like bluetooth and external wifi device |
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<rkdavis> |
at least this will move people to oe finally :) only usb goodness in oe none of your stinking debian swamp :) |
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<rkdavis> |
mcavity-zippy: yup it's the thing slike that I am interested in and maybe oneday booting from usb will be possible |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
if it can be done in oe theres got to be a way in debian lol |
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<rkdavis> |
although that would require some major lifting |
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<rkdavis> |
mcavity-zippy: nope we have put in anti-debian code |
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<rkdavis> |
if it even smells a debian install it blows up your zipit |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
nooooo |
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<rkdavis> |
actually because it atm needs the .33 kernel which means u-boot you debian nancyboys will need to move to oe anyway :) |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
overclocks to 3ghz |
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<rkdavis> |
as afaik debian installs currently available are not using the correct machine id for the zipit |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
i just like being able to get apps toplaywith |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
probably not |
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<rkdavis> |
most of which don't work because if they did then they'd be in oe already |
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<rkdavis> |
talking of apps -- anyone installed openoffice yet? |
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<rkdavis> |
/////;0 |
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<rkdavis> |
:) even |
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<LT[LC]> |
i was going to install kde first |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
well i have good luck getiing stuff to run but not allways to format on a tiny screen |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
compiz ftw |
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<LT[LC]> |
yup |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
zipit needs wobbly windows |
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<LT[LC]> |
and the 3d cube |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
yup |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
rkdavis, get mesa drivers working! hehehe |
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<LT[LC]> |
how long until i can play portal? :P |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
-- anyone installed openoffice yet? I've had Abiword working well enough, just kill all the toolbars to get screen space. I re-installed it after I swapped SD's and for some reason it doesn't want to run. |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
havent even tried |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
BTW: If we are going to have new batteries made, let's jump straight to hygrogen fuel cells |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: i was thinking more along the lines of portable nuclear reactor. i'm sure we could fit one on a radioflyer to pull behind us |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
naa quantnum decay power cells |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
heh |
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<LT[LC]> |
what about on our backs a la ghostbusters? |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
lol |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis, I don't get your hostility to debian. I've got debian on this one and I haven't had a single problem |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I think Toshiba makes one they deliver on a trailer |
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<dTal> |
I'd use OE but when I tried it there were no apps built for it |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i don't hate debian i just like playing devils advocate and it just isn't the distro for me and it's fun to annoy all the sandle wearing debian hippies |
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<dTal> |
ah, of course |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
rkdavis is a bit of a snob..hehe to realy make him happy the entire os shoule be done in assembly |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
grins |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: there are over 5000+ last time i looked all of which have been tailored for smaller devices and are what you need/can use on smaller devices |
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<dTal> |
well, ipkg -i <package> didn't work for any of the packages I tried |
| [11:23:22] |
<rkdavis> |
mcavity-zippy: assembly code -- what are you a scriptkiddie microcode is the way to go or flipping the trasistors by hand |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
your ritgh rkdavis we should move to ubuntu |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
hehe |
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<dTal> |
and when I checked the file with the repositories in, it had blank spots with instructions to put your own in |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: 1. did you have the angstrom repositories setup correctly? 2 did you actually bitbake anything? |
| [11:24:00] |
<dTal> |
did I what what |
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<dTal> |
"no" |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Flux-capacitor Can we get an overclocked ZipIt up to 88 miles per hour? |
| [11:24:20] |
<dTal> |
but with debian I don't need to |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: so there's the problem -- apt won;t work if you don't have repositories in it either |
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<dTal> |
everything's precompiled, everthing works |
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<dTal> |
the difference is that apt actually came with repositories filled in |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
fifty..if i cant get the clock working right i bet it hits 88 mph before it hits a wall |
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<dTal> |
that work |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: why would oe do that -- it can use many different processors so you have to choose the rigt one |
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<rkdavis> |
apt is the same |
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<rkdavis> |
can't use mips repositories on an arm device |
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<dTal> |
I mean, there were angstrom repositories filled in, just bugger all in them |
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<dTal> |
no links2, for example |
| [11:26:50] |
<dTal> |
I think I successfully installed screen |
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<dTal> |
I'll be happy building my own userland from total scratch, when I actually have a desktop with an internet connection I can call my own |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
dtal has a tiny window to the net |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: oh by the way on debian everythign just works -- uh huh directfb-gtk anyone? :) |
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<dTal> |
it did just work - just the version was older so I tried recompiling |
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<dTal> |
I think in future I'll still compile on the zipit, just with the help of distcc |
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<rkdavis> |
but really i just like to annoy people. i don't personally like debian or apt for that matter and it's not the distro for me but i am quite happy if people like and use it but it's fun to start arguemeents and flamewars -- i am a retro-troll |
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<dTal> |
ipkg is based on apt, isn't it? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: well if you used a /decent/ distro you wouldn't have had older versions than you needed :) |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
zipbuntu? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: yes and no -- it was sort of but was also varioations on a theme from several package managers -- more like portage really |
| [11:31:30] |
<dTal> |
well, okay, supposing I were still on OE. Where do I get links2 from? |
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<rkdavis> |
you find the repository that comtains it or you ask for the bitbake recipe on the mailing lists -- someone wil have it |
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<dTal> |
Bitbaking isn't an option - what repository would you reccommend? |
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<rkdavis> |
what do you do when debian doesn't have it? you ask on the mailing lists or in the project forums |
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<dTal> |
I dunno, that never happens :) |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
heh |
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<dTal> |
I thought there had been an OE repository but it went offline? |
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<dTal> |
zipit-specific that is |
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<rkdavis> |
looks like you'd find it in the psp repositories |
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<dTal> |
what, that'd work? mixing repos like that? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: aliosa27 had one, sweetlilmre had one and i put one up for the stuff i did but noone used them so we shut them off |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: depends on the processor, same as with debian you can use the armv4, armv5te, armel... repositories |
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<rkdavis> |
but looks like the recipe exists so that is all that is really needed |
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<rkdavis> |
but even so if a program has a configure script that is about all you need to put in a recipe and of course it will be /optimised/ for your processor |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh this is getting complicated -- trying to mix scratchbox and buildroot compiled stuff and looks like i'll need to choose one side to be static and one side not to get it working |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
sleep soon |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh wife killed her laptop last night going to have to stipit down |
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<LT[LC]> |
any idea what happened? O.o |
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<rkdavis> |
she rebooted and now it doesn't power on |
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<rkdavis> |
the battery light light but nada on the power button |
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<rkdavis> |
she treats it like shit though |
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<rkdavis> |
i had to rescue it from soda 3 times already |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
ugh |
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<rkdavis> |
yup she smokes over it the keyboard is disgusting |
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<rkdavis> |
she's melted and lost 3 keys too |
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<rkdavis> |
she is a pig when it comes to computers |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
rk: Here's the mod I wish I'd seen last week, DIY magnetic power connector http://www.instructables.com/id/MagSafe-for-the-Rest-of-Us-A-DIY-Magnetic-Power-A/ |
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<rkdavis> |
heh |
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<rkdavis> |
although there were some nasty comments on hackaday baout copper and heat and stuff |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
It's OK, lets see another laptop survive a 3 foot drop to the floor |
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<rkdavis> |
going to work your way up in hight until it breaks? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Not unless you get ZipIt to send me test models. I have a nice concrete shop floor for testing. |
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<rkdavis> |
wasn't there a thing on hackaday last year about ruggidising your laptop? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I told Adnxyo this morning he needs to get an old ciggarette case for his case mod. Put the ZipIt in there with a little foam on either side and I bet mcavity could fling his against the wall repeatedly. |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
lol |
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<dTal> |
Strange, ZipitWireless still haven't gotten back about the pads. |
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<dTal> |
It's very odd, when they replied so promptly before. |
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<dTal> |
I'd expect at least a "no". |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
maybe they looking it up |
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<dTal> |
Ooh, I hope so. |
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<dTal> |
I don't see how it could possibly hurt their sales to publish that info. Probably it's just a lot of effort for no gain (to them). |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
usualy not sales but licence reasons |
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<rkdavis> |
ok i am officially a genius or at least could give dr. frankenstein a run for his money -- it lives -- reserectted the wife's computer |
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<rkdavis> |
and thank god for duct tape and the judicious use of a hammer |
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<rkdavis> |
http://afrotechmods.com/ |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Thanks rk, most excellent link |
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<mcavity-zippy> |
bye! |
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<Adnyxo> |
Adnyxo> FiftyOneFifty: even though foxx doesnt like the idea, im probably gonna put it in a modified dsi case |
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<Adnyxo> |
<Adnyxo> that way i can put a little padding, bigger battery, and bigger speakers |
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<Adnyxo> |
<Adnyxo> and im hoping to be able to wire the buttons on the dis to corresponding quake/gb/nes/snes buttons on the zipit |
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<Adnyxo> |
<Adnyxo> as a gaming device |
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<Adnyxo> |
sorry about that |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Cool Adnyxo, post pics when u r done |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol i was gonna paste it into my twitter feed |
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<Adnyxo> |
so i posted twice |
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<Adnyxo> |
fiftyone, do you think a battery upgrade would be possible? |
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<Adnyxo> |
the dsi case would have room for a bigger battery, but id have to find one |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
We were discussing that earlier (in the logs). dTal said the battery is 3.7v. We need a bigger engineeering geek than me to tell you the specs to look for other than what's printed on the battery. |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea i mean i would look for a battery that matched the zipits, but idk what needs to go up, volts or amps or what |
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<Adnyxo> |
i wonder if you could use two batteries |
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<Adnyxo> |
at once |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Of course, size is not the only determinator in battery performance. Something from a more expensive device might perform better, but I thing I would avoid buying used. |
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<Adnyxo> |
probably |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Maybe chain cell phone batteries |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Those would be small form factor, relatively high yield |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Really going away now, got to get to town |
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<dTal> |
I did the computation for energy density, and I think it's possible for a much higher-capacity battery that still fits the same compartment |
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<Adnyxo> |
bye |
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<Adnyxo> |
well i could use a bigger battery, since im changing cases |
| [14:40:39] |
<Adnyxo> |
but for the rest of the people, that would be great |
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<dTal> |
if 100 people get together who want it, it could be custom made |
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<Adnyxo> |
ill buy 5 |
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<dTal> |
I thought you could use a bigger one? |
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<Adnyxo> |
well i probably wont be able to find it without help |
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<Adnyxo> |
and it would be better for someone to find a better battery for everyone than just me |
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<dTal> |
well, I think it could be done |
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<dTal> |
have to ask a company for the exact specs, and cost |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea |
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<Adnyxo> |
so does links support cookies? im tired of typing my passwords on every site |
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<Reddog^> |
Adnyxo: you'd need a battery with the same specs, but a higher mAh rating |
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<Adnyxo> |
cool, thanks |
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<Adnyxo> |
where would you suggest i get one |
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<Reddog^> |
no clue on that |
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<dTal> |
Adnyxo: hobby shops sell lithium polymer batteries, very high capacity |
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<Adnyxo> |
for rc stuff probably |
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<Adnyxo> |
ill have to look for that when i go pick up the tools |
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<Reddog^> |
could also try cell phone batteries |
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<Reddog^> |
and/or cordless phone |
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<dTal> |
only thing is you need a special charger for li-po |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh |
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<dTal> |
hmm, actually li-po probably not best |
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<Reddog^> |
i would keep it the same kind of battery, that way the same charging circuit 'should' be able to be used |
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<dTal> |
because the zipit will have all the wrong cutoffs and such |
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<dTal> |
Reddog^: yeah |
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<Adnyxo> |
i would hope for a plug and play battery |
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<Adnyxo> |
or as close as possible |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey rkdavis, you can shoot me if you want, but its tar -xf .... /home/tar /media/sdcard |
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<Adnyxo> |
whats the command again |
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<rkdavis> |
sudo tar -xjvf tarball -C /media/sdcard |
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<rkdavis> |
so |
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<rkdavis> |
sudo -xjvf rootfs.tar.bz2 -C /media/sdcard or similar |
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<Adnyxo> |
thanks |
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<Adnyxo> |
ill need to write that down or somthing |
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<Adnyxo> |
something* |
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<rkdavis> |
np |
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<Adnyxo> |
damn why does dealextreme have to take so long!?! |
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<Gnuet> |
no idea. but focalprice is slighty faster. |
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<Gnuet> |
i tend to forget what i've ordered when i get it ^^ |
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<Adnyxo> |
like a present! |
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<Adnyxo> |
but right now i am awaiting supplies to start my case mos |
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<Adnyxo> |
d |
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<Gnuet> |
like pre-paid presents ^^ |
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<Adnyxo> |
im starting to think i shouldve sprung for the extra $30!!!! |
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<Gnuet> |
its not the shipping, it's mostly the dead-slow handling of orders. |
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<Adnyxo> |
does that get it to you quicker |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh ok |
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<Gnuet> |
shipping took med 5 days once. mosltaround 7-10. sometimes 14-15. |
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<Gnuet> |
forget what i said about focalprice being faster. |
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<Gnuet> |
just checked my last order, placed the 29:th of January. |
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<Gnuet> |
not even shipped yet... |
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<Gnuet> |
*sigh* amateurs! |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<rkdavis> |
anyone in college atm or sstill has their textbooks? |
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<rkdavis> |
kid needs a few pages from a history bookt that seems to be a standard text and we can't buy it atm -- so trying to find someone who has a copy of the book and can scan a few pages for me |
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<Adnyxo> |
which book? |
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<rkdavis> |
traditions and encounters a brief something or other |
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<rkdavis> |
traditions and encounters a brief global history |
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<rkdavis> |
i have been googling using filetype:PDF OR torrent -- can't even find any decent textbook sites any more there used to be loads |
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<Adnyxo> |
sry i dont have it |
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<Adnyxo> |
Message from syslogd@localhost at Feb 17 16:00:03 ... |
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<Adnyxo> |
kernel:journal commit I/O error |
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<Adnyxo> |
when i unmount the sd card |
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<Adnyxo> |
hopefully it still works |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: thnx for looking -- told him to ask in his fb status |
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<rkdavis> |
i need to find a good text book site i think |
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<Adnyxo> |
nvm, it works |
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<Adnyxo> |
np rk |
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<Adnyxo> |
man, wheres jagsph |
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<Adnyxo> |
i need to talk to him |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol i just realized that if the posting on sourceforge is correct and they do add a camera, i can mount it where the dsi's camera would go |
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<Gnuet> |
you gonna transplant the zipit to a nintendo dsi-case? |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea |
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<Adnyxo> |
or im gonna try |
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<Adnyxo> |
http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=21 |
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<Adnyxo> |
course these goals seem a bit lofty |
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<Adnyxo> |
does anyone know how to change the color of the taskbar on jagsphs image? |
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<netbook> |
Schweet i am not registered |
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<netbook> |
aka i was a noob |
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<netbook> |
hell still am a noob |
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<netbook> |
brb |
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<rkdavis> |
lololol i just gave the wife a cup of tea and she asked "where did i get this mug?" i heard the kid shout from the other room "you were born with it!" |
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<dTal> |
baddabing! |
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<dTal> |
A+ parenting report card there |
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<netbook> |
You got an A+? |
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<netbook> |
missed most of that i guess |
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<rkdavis> |
GPSFan: hola |
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<rkdavis> |
btw i tried your patches on .33-rc8 -- they bult ok but of course noway to actually test them yet |
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<rkdavis> |
one failure on the patching but just because the liens had moved |
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<GPSFan> |
rkdavis, g'day... trip to thee "big city" today, just got home.. |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm trying to get comfertable. put my backout and can't sit or lie or stand or.... |
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<rkdavis> |
so rebuilding buildroot |
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<rkdavis> |
i have to make a decision decause i can't mix scratchbox executables and buildroot ones so need to decide on one or the other |
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<rkdavis> |
and then stick to it |
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<GPSFan> |
rc3 is not rc8. I need to poke at the more recent code. I need to rebuild all the alsa utils. since my old utils do not work with the new kernel. |
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<rkdavis> |
yup i just happened to grab rc8 so thought i'd see if it at least compiled |
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<rkdavis> |
using the br toolchain -- it did |
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<rkdavis> |
apart from one unimportant patch and that was just because the offset was off by a few |
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<rkdavis> |
how was the big city? get me any cookies? |
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<GPSFan> |
the libertas driver seems to work, but I have had some odd error messages about the 8686 watchdog timer and the tx queue being empty. |
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<GPSFan> |
but I can mount and nfs share and read & write to it. ;>) |
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<rkdavis> |
might be worth downgrading to an older kernel where we know stuff like that is still working |
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<rkdavis> |
although that becomes an epic voyage into the unknown |
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<rkdavis> |
you any good at error messages when loading kernel modules? |
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<rkdavis> |
~ # insmod power_supply.ko |
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<rkdavis> |
insmod: cannot insert 'power_supply.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory |
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<rkdavis> |
i didn't expect it to work but trying to workout which bit is the major problem -- gcc version or kernel version |
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<GPSFan> |
ha kernel error messages ha. I've also had a paroblem with modprobe not finding the modules, even though they are there. insmod does ok though. |
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<rkdavis> |
yup i have given up on modprobe mostly |
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<GPSFan> |
power_supply.ko probably depends on another module being loaded first. |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm thinking my major problem is gcc version and then the rest will be kernel version as there is a 4 version jump between the kernel i'm running and where the module came from |
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<GPSFan> |
look through power_supply.o (not.ko) and look for undefined symbols, tehn look for another module that supply's tehm, ex. the order of insmod of the sound drivers is very important. |
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<GPSFan> |
what gcc version? |
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<rkdavis> |
er 4.3.4 |
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<rkdavis> |
it's not a biggy i wasn't expecting it to work i was just faffing around |
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<GPSFan> |
I've used 4.1.2, 4.2.1, 4.3.3. IIRC there were problems with arm & 4,3,4 |
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<rkdavis> |
as i'm trying to see if i can backport any decent modules from .29 and .30+ |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm going to see if buildroot still has 4.1.1 in it |
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<rkdavis> |
i know they removed some gcc versiosn recently |
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<rkdavis> |
of course because zipit compiled most of the /decent/ stuff into the kernel rather than as modules i dount overlay will work but worth a shot and while i'm at it see if the battery driver will work too |
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<GPSFan> |
last night I rebuilt my userland but haven't got to try it out yet. |
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<rkdavis> |
i just have too many ways to comile stuff -- i need to consolidate and stick to one |
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<rkdavis> |
i've got oe, scratchbox, br and firmwarelinux |
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<GPSFan> |
bbl |
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<BobC> |
evening all - question about the keymap |
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