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<FiftyOneFifty> |
rkdavis, you still here? |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
rk: I posted the part numbers and the way to wire it all up to the forums, not that it looks like anyone reads the. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I looks like I can edit the WikiStart, but I didn't want to drop a whole pargraph inline in the docs section. i saw others had been able to create a new page and others linked to a comment on ZipIt Z2 at sourceforge. |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: yes i just got made a mod for the forums basically 2 message sin 2 weeks |
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<rkdavis> |
yup putting it on the wiki would be good except the part numbers are actually part of the registration required info (well the pins are) so best to be careful what is put in the open |
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<rkdavis> |
shouldn't be a problem for just the connector info other thna if everyone buys them they have to send me 3 each as /protection/ money :) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I just read the AC adapter part no off the label. Are you saying it violates terms of service to post it? I only did so in case ZipIt starts buying from another source and someone winds up wiring theirs backwards. |
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<rkdavis> |
oh i thought you meant the connectors for the rear expansion port |
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<rkdavis> |
they are protected behind a registration screen |
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<rkdavis> |
everything else is fair game |
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<rkdavis> |
but the rear expansion port they tried to /protect/ |
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<rkdavis> |
for the power thingy go for ti -- post it everywhere you want :) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Yes, I saved a copy of the rear pinout doc but I assumed it would violate TOS to repost it elsewhere. one task i set myself for this evening: I dug out my old Power Angel, a cheap digital inline current tester. you plug the Power Angel into the wall and the load into the power angel. |
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<rkdavis> |
just reading your post |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
MCavity posted he had his ZipIt running on a car adapter for his phone, but the specs I saw said the adapter only produced 350mA. I'm going to run the ZipIt on heavy load with and without the battery in place and see how many amps it draws from the wall. |
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<rkdavis> |
nice post |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
rk:, I was going to ask how to create a separate page on the Wiki, I can see from the existing posts how to link once I have a new page. |
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<rkdavis> |
that would be interesting to know |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Thanks |
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<rkdavis> |
i think it's a standard wiki |
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<rkdavis> |
you make the link then click it |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. click on yiour name and it asks to create the page |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
OK, I don't have much experience with Wiki's, thanks |
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<SB-Zipit> |
New news from http://linux.zipitwireless.com/timeline?milestone=on&ticket=on&wiki=on&max=50&daysback=90&format=rss: FixAC edited by FiftyOneFifty |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Thanks rk, I added the info to the wiki |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
And then I fixed it because I put my link in the wrong section :) |
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<SB-Zipit> |
New news from http://linux.zipitwireless.com/timeline?milestone=on&ticket=on&wiki=on&max=50&daysback=90&format=rss: WikiStart edited by FiftyOneFifty || WikiStart edited by FiftyOneFifty |
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<Mcavity> |
ahh yes the car adapter |
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<Mcavity> |
its for a samsung a660 cell phone. dont know if it can run the zipit full tilt.. but it did seem to charge the battery. |
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<Mcavity> |
ohh i may have a winner for web browser.. |
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<Mcavity> |
netsurf |
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<Mcavity> |
its fairly fast.. fairly light and seems to render pages reasonably well. |
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<Mcavity> |
memory is still a bit of a pig.. wonder how it will run if i kill rox |
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<Mcavity> |
ok i think. im likeing this |
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<Mcavity> |
not the fastest browser in the world.. nut not to bad |
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<Mcavity> |
well if anyone wants to play with it you can apt-get netsurf easily |
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<Mcavity> |
does work better if you kill rox |
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<Mcavity> |
also looks like it can be compiled to run on Fb so could be good of OE enviroment.. no x. |
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<Aelius> |
hey, who's here and wants to explain to me a little bit about electricity and hardware? |
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<Mcavity> |
umm it goes zap crackle pop? |
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<Aelius> |
nah,I'm just confused about using different amperages and voltages in devices |
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<Aelius> |
without them dying / being underpowered |
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<Aelius> |
for example; old AAs are 1.5v, but newer ones are 1.2 |
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<Mcavity> |
ahh cant help there |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Aelius: I just completed some tests on the amperage the ZipIt draws from the AC adapter using an inline meter at the wall socket. Results posted to the Hardware section in the forums. What I don't know is if there is any correlation between AC amps metered at the plug and DC amps at the ZipIt end. |
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<Aelius> |
k |
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<Aelius> |
some guy in #hardware is helping me out |
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<Mcavity> |
morning |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<Reddog^> |
yep |
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<Adnyxo> |
morning |
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<aliosa27> |
morning |
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<rkdavis> |
morning aliosa27 |
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<rkdavis> |
morning Adnyxo |
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<rkdavis> |
morning johnboy |
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<rkdavis> |
just like the walton's |
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<rkdavis> |
wonder what channel that's on these days it must be on somewhere |
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<Adnyxo> |
<Adnyxo> well it sounds like you just hate animals |
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<Adnyxo> |
<anbu_yuki> nah i like penguins |
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<Adnyxo> |
<anbu_yuki> they can make a mean martini |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<rkdavis> |
and they are great fried between two slices of bread |
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<Mcavity> |
morning |
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<Adnyxo> |
morning? |
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<Mcavity> |
well depending on where you are |
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<Mcavity> |
I found what I think might be an improvement over links for a web browser last night =) |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh great |
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<Mcavity> |
netsurf |
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<rkdavis> |
Mcavity: i saw. it does work quite well in debian based rootfs |
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<Adnyxo> |
faster than links, or better rendering |
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<rkdavis> |
doesn't compile OOB on stock but for debian it's pretty nice |
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<Mcavity> |
its a little bit heavyer than links but not to bad but its fairly full featured |
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<Mcavity> |
much better rendering |
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<Mcavity> |
OOb? |
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<Mcavity> |
out of box? |
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<rkdavis> |
out of the box |
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<Mcavity> |
ahh i found a thread on people who were compileing it to work with fb.. seemed like they were able to do it.. |
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<aliosa27> |
i think if you add the sid repo you can apt it with netsurf-gtk |
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<dTal> |
aliosa27: don't you have to recompile gtk apps to make them work on the framebuffer? |
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<Mcavity> |
i just apt-got it =) |
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<Mcavity> |
it does run better if i kill rox though |
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<Mcavity> |
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/trying-to-build-netsurf-for-slackware-and-slax-747008/ |
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<Mcavity> |
might be usefull |
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<Mcavity> |
but i have played around with it it has a nize zoom in out feture that if i can get a better handel on could make things nice. |
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<rkdavis> |
Mcavity: yup the big problem i had was with some of the libs it tries to build but i didn't try too hard to solve it as i was working on something else at the time and it was just a "hit and hope" attempt |
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<Mcavity> |
hehe |
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<Mcavity> |
well the clues you need may be in that thread |
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<Mcavity> |
i was just happy to find something that can render a page with some sort of formating =) |
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<Mcavity> |
right now though im still a bit annoyed that i cant figure out why the minuites wont update on the taskbar clock.. the hour updates fine |
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<aliosa27> |
apt-get install netsurf-linuxfb >>>framebuffer varient in sid |
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<Mcavity> |
oh cool |
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<Mcavity> |
think that would be lighter? |
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<Mcavity> |
or just drop x and see? |
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<aliosa27> |
giver a try |
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<Mcavity> |
ok |
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<Mcavity> |
probably sideways lol |
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<dTal> |
interesting, that package doesn't depend on directfb |
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<dTal> |
so it has its own library built in? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: well you don't actually need anything to work with fb but using libs makes things nicer and gives stuff like rotate without fiddiling around |
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<dTal> |
Right; the trouble with this is you can't take advantage of the extra layer between, for example it wouldn't work with a framebuffer window manager. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: yup thus the reason things like directfb exist |
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<dTal> |
How hard would it be, do you reckon, to port that to directfb? |
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<Mcavity> |
looks at programy type people |
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<aliosa27> |
im sure it wont be that hard |
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<Mcavity> |
brb |
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<dTal> |
And there's always the gtk version |
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<dTal> |
dunno what the performance difference is |
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<dTal> |
but it'd at least be a consistent interface |
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<Mcavity_> |
ok back |
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<Mcavity_> |
and yes.. netsurf-linuxfb does run sideways |
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<Mcavity_> |
but it dosent look bad |
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<aliosa27> |
i bet if you booted the kernel without the rotation argument it would work correctly |
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<aliosa27> |
I iwll see how easy it is to rotate on demand |
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<aliosa27> |
o well |
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<aliosa27> |
looks you you can |
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<aliosa27> |
sweet |
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<Adnyxo> |
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8448 |
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<Mcavity_> |
hum? |
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<Adnyxo> |
yathink this would be compatible with the zipit? |
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<dTal> |
I've put the rotate argument in my directfbrc |
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<dTal> |
so any directfb apps would, in theory, be correct |
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<Mcavity_> |
well test it out dtal =) |
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<Mcavity_> |
lol |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: in theory yes, in practice you have a better chance of winning the lottery when you aren't playing |
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<dTal> |
Mcavity_: I don't have any directfb apps built against that version atm |
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<dTal> |
and I'd have to build them myself |
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<dTal> |
and I'm taking a break from building apps on the zipit |
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<Mcavity_> |
ahh ok |
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<rkdavis> |
ok having to make some changes and rotation will be a problem that i'll need to fix but minigui is quite nice |
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<rkdavis> |
nice fb gui |
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<dTal> |
oh hey interesting |
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<Adnyxo> |
what? |
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<dTal> |
minigui |
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<dTal> |
but it doesn't look very compatible |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: how not compatable? i'm playing with some stuff on it now |
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<rkdavis> |
it built for embedded devices |
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<rkdavis> |
ok won't help you debian guys but works nicely on stock |
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<rkdavis> |
for doing nice frontends and stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
and looks like all told it will only use a meg of ram |
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<dTal> |
I mean not compatible with existing apps |
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<dTal> |
looks like there is a gtk layer, but I bet it isn't very mature |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: well not that interested in existing apps myself as directfb-gtk should work (eventually) and well there are later versions that might be more compatable this just happens to be the easy to find version and not requiring a proper /commercial/ license from my quick scan on the inna'webs |
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<dTal> |
the issue is running multiple existing apps graphically over the framebuffer |
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<dTal> |
this minigui doesn't use directfb, does it? |
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<rkdavis> |
nope it works directly with the fb |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. it's a mini version of a directfb type lib |
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<rkdavis> |
basically it's a libraryized version of stuff i hand code |
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<Pabilo> |
good evening all |
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<Pabilo> |
i've was watching ebay for an other brand new zipit and i saw this |
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<Pabilo> |
http://cgi.ebay.com/Zipit-Z2-with-Debian-Linux_W0QQitemZ220554288067QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_s_Pocket_PC_s?hash=item335a0f5bc3 |
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<Pabilo> |
is this okej by rootnexus ? |
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<Gnuet> |
i dont think he'd care aslong as someone doesn't ask money for the software. so what if it's pre-installed. |
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<Pabilo> |
okej jeah, if you see it that way |
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<aliosa27> |
that hack magazine is selling z2's with debian on there website |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27: you mean hak5 or whatever they are called? |
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<aliosa27> |
yeh |
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<aliosa27> |
100 bucks |
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<rkdavis> |
Gnuet: zipitwireless don't actually allow that unless the seller has an OEM license and the terms of the license are pretty harse (although not really) |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. you have to put a message on screen for 10 seconds or keypress with a disclaimer on it for zipitwireless and saying they don't have to warentee it the seller does |
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<rkdavis> |
and you can't sell preinstalled ones in the USA either (at least my license says not) |
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<rkdavis> |
and it's mostly the same as all the others they have granted |
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<rkdavis> |
one or two from a single non-commercial seller they don't really care about but if it's part of a business or more than a couple they really don't like and can get nasty |
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<Adnyxo> |
damn |
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<Adnyxo> |
ive sold about three with jags userland on ebay |
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<Adnyxo> |
is that bad? |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: well if they spot you then you might get told off otherwise probably not |
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<Adnyxo> |
okay cool |
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<rkdavis> |
BUT ralph does spend sometime scanning the inna'tubes looking for stuff like tha and makeing notes :) |
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<Adnyxo> |
im thinking that people who bought the modded zipit off ebay intentionally will hopefully not call tech support |
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<Adnyxo> |
whos ralph |
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<aliosa27> |
true |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: the VP of business for zipit |
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<dTal> |
has the going price recovered since the target clearance thing? |
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<rkdavis> |
and the /designer/ of the z1 and z2 |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: pretty much, basically $50 |
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<dTal> |
right |
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<Adnyxo> |
i got one off for $80 |
| [14:35:18] |
<Adnyxo> |
with 1 gig card, but still |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: and it's really s/w that is the problem because they don't want s/w that competes with the stock app preinstalled |
| [14:35:38] |
<rkdavis> |
a user can add it themselves but not on preinstalled ones |
| [14:36:02] |
<dTal> |
I don't get why zipit don't put a fully functional OS on this thing |
| [14:36:12] |
<rkdavis> |
and ralph is very concerned about things like batteries going kaboom and ruining their brand because of modded ones |
| [14:36:13] |
<Adnyxo> |
theyre a company |
| [14:36:29] |
<dTal> |
wouldn't cost much, and they could sell the device for way more |
| [14:36:36] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: because it's not their business |
| [14:36:55] |
<rkdavis> |
they are really a design house, doing stuff for other people |
| [14:36:59] |
<dTal> |
but they've invested in the hardware already, it would be a good move |
| [14:37:05] |
<dTal> |
anybody seen that iKit thingy? |
| [14:37:12] |
<rkdavis> |
they have inhouse projects of course but mostly they do stuff for comapoanies like hp |
| [14:37:18] |
<dTal> |
perhaps I'm beong naive |
| [14:37:43] |
<rkdavis> |
like they recently (last year ) did a digital picture frame for hp |
| [14:37:59] |
<rkdavis> |
which is a tad expensive but quite nice on the whole |
| [14:38:34] |
<dTal> |
Hardware-wise, the Zipit is fairly well-designed |
| [14:39:30] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: pretty much except the designers didn't read the pxa27x usermanual from beginning to end :) they missed alot of stuff they could have added/used or hobbled |
| [14:39:50] |
<rkdavis> |
as GPSFan about bloody not needed resistors :) |
| [14:39:54] |
<dTal> |
only physical flaws I've found are the rubber pads come off easily, and the battery door isn't stiff enough, so when you put the zipit down the battery case comes off |
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<rkdavis> |
s/as/ask |
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<dTal> |
hmmm |
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<Adnyxo> |
have you seen some of the plans for the expansion board? a gsm sim card, camera, and accelerometer! |
| [14:40:22] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: and the bloody clicking keyboard and the power button is a fraction too high |
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<Adnyxo> |
dTal same here |
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<dTal> |
oh yes, and the screen hits keys when it's closed |
| [14:41:21] |
<dTal> |
they keyboard is a matter of taste, I haven't made up my mind over it |
| [14:41:34] |
<rkdavis> |
yup that's the cause of the pocket turnon -- the power ket should have been flat or concave not convex |
| [14:41:49] |
<dTal> |
it provides great feedback and is not prone to accidental keypress |
| [14:41:54] |
<dTal> |
but it os a bit stiff |
| [14:41:55] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: the clicking is actually dialiberate but i wish it was a s/w click that could be turned off |
| [14:42:12] |
<dTal> |
how would that work? |
| [14:42:27] |
<rkdavis> |
the clicking means teens can't use it in class without alerting people i.e. no cheating with it |
| [14:42:40] |
<dTal> |
(I can acheive very high typing rate on the zipit, partially because of the click feedback) |
| [14:42:51] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: lots of computer keyboards in the olden days did s/w clicks |
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* |
dTal has a Model M and loves it - biased? |
| [14:43:27] |
<dTal> |
you hit a key - WHACK-POINK |
| [14:45:03] |
<dTal> |
but it's weird - if you want a miniature laptop with Linux, the Zipit is the only thing going |
| [14:45:30] |
<rkdavis> |
unless you want to build it from scratch yes pretty much |
| [14:45:54] |
<Adnyxo> |
the keyboard doesnt bother me much, its the low res display |
| [14:46:00] |
<Adnyxo> |
im itching to upgrade it |
| [14:46:15] |
<dTal> |
The iKit doesn't seem to be around, Pandora is taking its time, Sharp Zaurus has no wifi... |
| [14:46:56] |
<dTal> |
Has anyone tried anything cool with headset mode on the soundcard? |
| [14:47:23] |
<Adnyxo> |
whoa i want the ikit |
| [14:47:32] |
<Adnyxo> |
its like a zipit |
| [14:47:32] |
<dTal> |
Adnyxo: not so fast |
| [14:47:41] |
<dTal> |
check the battery life |
| [14:47:57] |
<dTal> |
it basically is a zipit, with bells and whistles |
| [14:47:59] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: there is a thing in china a nanonote but it's mips based, no builtin wifi but they do have sdio and usb host oob |
| [14:48:04] |
<Adnyxo> |
holy mother of god!\ |
| [14:48:07] |
<rkdavis> |
and it will be $100 |
| [14:48:08] |
<Adnyxo> |
give me one now |
| [14:48:52] |
<dTal> |
Adnyxo: only if you can hack it, their onboard software sounds sucky |
| [14:48:57] |
<rkdavis> |
http://www.qi-hardware.com/products/ben-nanonote/ |
| [14:49:12] |
<rkdavis> |
but they have been saying shipping in fall since last fall |
| [14:49:14] |
<aliosa27> |
i bought a few of the generic xhina arm/mips laptops |
| [14:49:19] |
<rkdavis> |
but looks cuter than the zipit |
| [14:49:22] |
<aliosa27> |
have oe and debian running |
| [14:49:30] |
<aliosa27> |
they are just so ugly |
| [14:50:00] |
<aliosa27> |
good old jz4720 |
| [14:50:12] |
<rkdavis> |
and give GPSFan another few days and the zipit will have usb host if you are willing to make a teeny mod |
| [14:50:27] |
<dTal> |
rkdavis: really and for true? |
| [14:50:33] |
<rkdavis> |
he has it mounting a fusb flash drive |
| [14:50:37] |
<rkdavis> |
and a mouse |
| [14:50:37] |
<dTal> |
wow |
| [14:50:52] |
<rkdavis> |
yup but it will require a new kernel and a hardware mod |
| [14:50:52] |
<dTal> |
is it usb gadget? what else do we get? |
| [14:51:04] |
<rkdavis> |
it's usb OTG but host mode |
| [14:51:26] |
<dTal> |
so is it all usb devices for which linux drivers exist? |
| [14:51:31] |
<rkdavis> |
i found some hacks for the treo and passed the info to gpsfan and he yesterday got it working at least as far as he tested |
| [14:51:46] |
<rkdavis> |
he is using .33 kernel though |
| [14:52:02] |
<rkdavis> |
so you migth need to u-boot your zipit or hope it back ports easily |
| [14:52:26] |
<rkdavis> |
and you either need to cut a trace or remove a resistor |
| [14:52:40] |
<dTal> |
why do you need a new kernel? |
| [14:52:45] |
<rkdavis> |
but it's an easy to get to resistor and not near anything you can damage with heat if you are careful |
| [14:52:54] |
<Adnyxo> |
a mouse??!! |
| [14:53:07] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: because it uses stuff from newer kernels at least the code he has knocked up |
| [14:53:23] |
<dTal> |
hm |
| [14:53:34] |
<rkdavis> |
it will probably backport reasonably easily but sometimes things don't easi;y |
| [14:53:46] |
<dTal> |
once again, what range of hardware we talkong about? |
| [14:53:51] |
<Adnyxo> |
the ikit has much more ram |
| [14:54:00] |
<rkdavis> |
at the monet he's only tested a flash drive and mouse |
| [14:54:01] |
<Adnyxo> |
but the thing is i love how it looks |
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<Adnyxo> |
its so much more professional than the zipit |
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<Adnyxo> |
a mouse is AWESOME |
| [14:54:26] |
<rkdavis> |
but the treo people got mouse, keyboard, flashdrive and wifi working so it should at least do those |
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<rkdavis> |
but he is still working on it but yesterday he finally got it working and tested |
| [14:55:08] |
<dTal> |
it is possible to get full USB 2.0 on the zipit |
| [14:55:18] |
<rkdavis> |
nope 1.1 |
| [14:55:24] |
<dTal> |
no it is |
| [14:55:25] |
<rkdavis> |
that's what the processor supports |
| [14:55:28] |
<dTal> |
but we're talking major mod |
| [14:55:35] |
<dTal> |
sdio |
| [14:56:03] |
<dTal> |
desolder the sd slot, wire in a sdio usb controller |
| [14:56:34] |
<Adnyxo> |
dont we nee d the sd slot? |
| [14:56:46] |
<dTal> |
put a USB hub in there, make it boot off USB |
| [14:57:41] |
<dTal> |
it would even fit, if you were careful of your choice of hardware and cunning about where you put stuff |
| [14:58:21] |
<dTal> |
unfortunately there's only one SDIO usb controller that I know of |
| [14:58:44] |
<dTal> |
and it only came out last november |
| [14:59:24] |
<dTal> |
aaaaaaaanyway |
| [14:59:41] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: booting off the usb drive would require some u-boot patches as marex says no go atm |
| [14:59:49] |
<Adnyxo> |
ye |
| [14:59:51] |
<dTal> |
could you get GSM with USB OTG? Or bluetooth? |
| [14:59:51] |
<rkdavis> |
with the current version of u-boot |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey is there a way to get a case similar to the ikit one? ive been wanting to do a case mod for the zipit |
| [15:00:31] |
<dTal> |
yeah, it's not possible without a ridiculous amount of effort |
| [15:00:48] |
<FiftyOneFifty> |
rk: Does GPSFan's mod utilize the pins on the docking port or mount a USN slot internally? |
| [15:00:57] |
<dTal> |
Adnyxo: why not make it yourself? |
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<marex> |
there's no USB OTG :-F |
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<marex> |
PXAUHC != USB OTG |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: the rear connector |
| [15:01:21] |
<FiftyOneFifty> |
USB slot, I guess USN slot is for carriers |
| [15:01:24] |
<Adnyxo> |
how would i go about that? keep in mind that im stupid dTal |
| [15:01:30] |
<dTal> |
oh |
| [15:01:49] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: well it's all on the OTG port on the zipit even if the driver isn't |
| [15:01:54] |
<dTal> |
well, you'd need to go to a hobby shop and pick yourself up some sheet plastic |
| [15:02:12] |
<dTal> |
this is really artsy-craftsy |
| [15:02:13] |
<rkdavis> |
but GPSFan and you know more about u-boot and this usb thingy |
| [15:02:20] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, no, there's no OTG port |
| [15:02:30] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, there's only UHC and UDC, nothing else ... |
| [15:02:36] |
<Adnyxo> |
and then? |
| [15:02:48] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, the possibility to reprogram one of those ports is just like that ... OTG is something else |
| [15:02:51] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: ok i'll have to go read through the manual again then, must have misread it |
| [15:02:55] |
<dTal> |
well, it depends how you wanna do it |
| [15:03:16] |
<rkdavis> |
or at least misunderstood it which is extremly possible |
| [15:03:28] |
<Adnyxo> |
whats the cheapest way |
| [15:03:29] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, OTG can be both host and gadget and depends on the cabling (so you need special cables for OTG) |
| [15:03:37] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: but the nice thing is he got at least some things working and reasonably easily |
| [15:03:41] |
<dTal> |
I'm no expert in plastic manipulation |
| [15:03:51] |
<marex> |
OTG also supplies power to the devices, UHC does not as is in Z2 |
| [15:03:56] |
<Adnyxo> |
ok |
| [15:04:07] |
<dTal> |
but I think the likelihood of finding another case to fit the zipit is unlikely |
| [15:04:35] |
<dTal> |
if I were doing that, my main tools would be xacto knives and heat |
| [15:04:40] |
<Adnyxo> |
so i would have to make it |
| [15:04:47] |
<Adnyxo> |
how would you get heat? |
| [15:05:29] |
<dTal> |
one thing you could do is put an xacto blade in a soldering iron |
| [15:05:42] |
<dTal> |
cuts through plastic like butter |
| [15:05:53] |
<Adnyxo> |
im not too bad with the case modding stuff |
| [15:06:02] |
<Adnyxo> |
but i never made one from scratch |
| [15:06:17] |
<dTal> |
it's really hard |
| [15:06:25] |
<dTal> |
I was thinking of maybe spray painting mine |
| [15:06:31] |
<dTal> |
much easier new look |
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<Adnyxo> |
sounds like a good idea |
| [15:09:19] |
<Adnyxo> |
so heres the plan |
| [15:09:22] |
<rkdavis> |
i think Mcavity_ painted his or at least added a nintendo magnifier |
| [15:10:34] |
<Adnyxo> |
im going to make a custom black case for the zipit, add 16 gigs of memory through usb, add a mouse, upgrade the display to a ds-esq touch display at 800 by whatever the graphics controller supports, repaint the keyboard, and add a mouse |
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<Adnyxo> |
simple ! |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh yea and two mice |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<LT[LC]> |
mine will have a terabyte of RAM, 1 exabyte of flash storage, hdmi, 5.1 surround sound, and an armada of usb ports |
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<LT[LC]> |
and it will fit in the current case |
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<LT[LC]> |
:D |
| [15:13:29] |
<Adnyxo> |
at least mine was technically possible! |
| [15:17:25] |
<ogmious09> |
you can make your mold out of wood blocks and use a toaster oven with plastic draped over the wood. Monitor the heat and the plastic will mold around the wod |
| [15:17:34] |
<ogmious09> |
used to that for simple things in the shop |
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<Adnyxo> |
thanks, that sounds good for the outer casing |
| [15:18:29] |
<Adnyxo> |
how do you hold the case together? a special type of glue? |
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<ogmious09> |
it's a cheapo vacuforming layout |
| [15:18:52] |
<ogmious09> |
you glue in post to screw in |
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<ogmious09> |
really helps if you get it all laid out in a simple cad program first, just so you can wrap your head around it and nothing comes out of nowhere. |
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<LT[LC]> |
that's what she said? |
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<ogmious09> |
If you wanna really get into. Find a house that is renovating and take their over. You can get old ones for almost free. Electric is better unless you wanna run a gas line to your garage. Then use a shop vac. You place a few holes in the mold and have the vaccum sucking the plastic down to get a good mold |
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<ogmious09> |
You go over the dimples with bondo later |
| [15:21:43] |
<ogmious09> |
*over=oven |
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<Adnyxo> |
find a house that is renovating and take their over? |
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<Adnyxo> |
get what for free? a mold? |
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<ogmious09> |
Read above |
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<ogmious09> |
over=oven |
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<ogmious09> |
A lot of places have old ovens for free. See em on Craigslist all the time for next to free |
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<ogmious09> |
They're usually ugly with the porcelain chipped off but for garage vacuum forming why would you care. |
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<Adnyxo> |
ah i see |
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<dTal> |
google is f*d up. |
| [15:27:44] |
<dTal> |
I'm getting more results for something by progressively filtering out more terms. |
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<dTal> |
This is impossible. |
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<ogmious09> |
The iKit does look pretty sweet. Thats the Gui we need on the zipit |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh yea |
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<Adnyxo> |
i wan the looks of the ikit' |
| [15:30:06] |
<Adnyxo> |
on the zipit, not me |
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<dTal> |
ikit has no headphone jack |
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<dTal> |
dealbreaker for me |
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<ogmious09> |
Simple enough to remedy |
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<ogmious09> |
So not such a deal breaker |
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<ogmious09> |
that's basic hardware modding |
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<dTal> |
how's it simple? |
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<ogmious09> |
can you open a case? |
| [15:34:04] |
<ogmious09> |
turn on a soldering iron? |
| [15:34:06] |
<dTal> |
it has no audio chipset, you're supposed to use USB headphones |
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<dTal> |
which I loathe |
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<Adnyxo> |
the only problem i forsee in making a case is the hynge |
| [15:34:51] |
<dTal> |
the keyboard might present challenges as well |
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<ogmious09> |
Well ok. There is simple obstacles to overcome for the majority of people. Then there is the dTal must which are not so easy due to preference |
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<Adnyxo> |
really? it needs a headphone jack |
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<ogmious09> |
Would like the Keyboard from the nanonote on the zipit Adnyxo |
| [15:36:22] |
<dTal> |
the zipit has ridiculously nice audio |
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<Adnyxo> |
yea |
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<dTal> |
honestly, way too nice for an IM device |
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<Adnyxo> |
nanonote? ill look that up and try to integrate it |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey rkdavis, if i end up succeeding at modding the zipit casing, keyboard, and screen could i sell it on ebay without zipit inc getting mad |
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<dTal> |
also, mp3s sounded kinda crap on stock firmware - I suspect the sound chip was configured sub-optimally |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: sod knows. i just know what the OEM license agreement says and i was told nothing that can damage the physical device because of power and batteries etc. but i would be doing more than one or two |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: anf also noone would mistake yours for a zipit so you'd probably be ok |
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<Adnyxo> |
thats good |
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<Adnyxo> |
is there any way to tell how close a lcd is to plug and play on the zipit? |
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<jcase> |
anyone have a minute and mind helping me? Got in a new zipit, flashing to new firmware, said flash was sucessful, however i get hangs on reboot |
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<Adnyxo> |
you used the autoflasher first, and then installed the image on the sd card and booted from it? |
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<jcase> |
i used the auto flasher, then tried the image on the sd card and boot, however it hangs |
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<jcase> |
maybe i installed the image wrong |
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<jcase> |
some permissions or something |
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<jcase> |
brb let me load it again (its been a long day) |
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<jcase> |
yeah it looks ok, let me wipe the sd card and go again? just wanted to make sure there wasnt anything obvious i missed |
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<Adnyxo> |
ogmious09, how bout this for sheet plastic? http://www.micromark.com/BLACK-STYRENE-PLASTIC-11-WIDE-x-14-HIGH-x-030-THICK,8572.html?sc=WGB&utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=GoogleBase |
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<Adnyxo> |
also are there any other tools that you suggest i have? |
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<ogmious09> |
looks good. meets the intended purpose |
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<ogmious09> |
Well depends on how grand scale you are gonna go |
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<Adnyxo> |
not that big |
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<ogmious09> |
basically you are going to have to make a model of how you want the case to look either out of wood or plaster |
| [16:03:28] |
<ogmious09> |
this is your negative that you will form the plastic over |
| [16:03:29] |
<Adnyxo> |
yes |
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<Adnyxo> |
i can do that |
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<ogmious09> |
well you will need the tools to do that |
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<Adnyxo> |
and how would i do the details within the case |
| [16:04:12] |
<ogmious09> |
Need to plan it out very well. Use a simple cad program |
| [16:05:03] |
<ogmious09> |
Have a look http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-good,-cheap,-upgradeable-sheet-plastic-vacu/ |
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<Adnyxo> |
ah thanks |
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<ogmious09> |
this guy is using a bar-b-q http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3819/is_199908/ai_n8863229/?tag=content;col1 |
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<Pabilo> |
is there a little progress on the new image of rootnexus ? |
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<aliosa27> |
i tried to get ahold of him |
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<aliosa27> |
couldnt |
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<Pabilo> |
the rc1 pre2 i'm running now is okey but have some trubble with the headphone and screenlid script |
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<Pabilo> |
i'm no programmer but i tried a lot and now my screen is going off when putting in a headphone |
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<jcase> |
wth |
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<Pabilo> |
whats wrong ? |
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<Pabilo> |
you got the same problem ? |
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<jcase> |
yeah |
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<jcase> |
i think its with the image on the sdcard |
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<jcase> |
i got it flashed, i extracted aliosa's image onto the sdcard |
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<rkdavis> |
Pabilo: there is a fix script up somewhere |
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<Pabilo> |
i changed a lot in the script form http://zipit.pastebin.com/f2bfe2626 |
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<jcase> |
during boot the the image comes up, the cursor blinks for a few seconds |
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<jcase> |
then it locks up and i ahve to do a hard reset |
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<Pabilo> |
yeah the only thing is the headphone is not working properly |
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<jcase> |
is there certain howto i should check out |
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<Pabilo> |
im trying |
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<rkdavis> |
Pabilo: i think tis is the fixed script http://zipit.pastebin.com/f40cec764 |
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<Pabilo> |
i tried the last of that one |
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<jcase> |
ok i think its the CD card |
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<jcase> |
im getting input/output erros on it now |
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<Pabilo> |
haha i had that also |
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<Pabilo> |
buy another one |
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<jcase> |
hah |
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<jcase> |
im in Port Angeles WA |
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<jcase> |
middle of nowhere |
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<Pabilo> |
i bought a bunce of the |
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<jcase> |
sd card? haha fedex is required |
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<Pabilo> |
them |
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<Pabilo> |
u kidding |
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<Pabilo> |
? |
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<jcase> |
no |
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<Pabilo> |
o m g |
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<jcase> |
mini SD cards do not exist here |
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<Pabilo> |
than buy a few for next time |
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<jcase> |
damn it |
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<Pabilo> |
when i look out my window i see three stores for electronics |
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<jcase> |
nah by the time they get here my nexus one will be here |
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<jcase> |
i jus want to run irssi |
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<jcase> |
during my classes |
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<jcase> |
brb kids fighting |
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<Pabilo> |
my gf needs a little time., i'm off seeya all |
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<jcase> |
stole GF's mini sdcard, used adapter |
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<jcase> |
linux up |
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<jcase> |
:) |
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<jcase> |
aliosa27: thanks for the work |
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<Adnyxo> |
when (if) i finish this, ill post pics and whatnot |
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<Adnyxo> |
ogmious09: too bad i dont eat meat and therefore dont own a grill lol |
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<Adnyxo> |
http://www.micromark.com/CURVABLE-PVC-BOARD-BLACK,8934.html looks even better since i want a nice curved form factor |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
If anyone interested, Geeks.com having pres day sale. Wanted the GB magnifier for my ZipIt, didn't want to pay $11 shipping on $0.79 part. Waiting to throw in other crap I don't need :) |
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<jcase> |
how do i use the pipe key |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
<control> = "..." <ESC> = Smiley :) next to power , pipe = ... + :) (^ESC) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Spent several minutes looking for a birds eye view of the solar lights they have on the site, looks like the solar panels are the big ones that might be able to charge the ZipIt. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
sorry jcase, pipe is ALT-smiley |
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<jcase> |
thanks |
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<jcase> |
FiftyOneFifty: where do i want to drop gspi8686.bin and gspi8686_hlp.bin at? |
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<jcase> |
nm fojnd em |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
are you using Aliosa27 or rootnexus? |
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<jcase> |
Aliosa |
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<jcase> |
it was in the firmware dir no? |
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<jcase> |
ill know in a minute i guess |
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<jcase> |
what will the interface be called? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
eth1 |
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<Adnyxo> |
jcase there should be an ext3 partition if you dd the image, and there should be a file that says "put firmware file here" |
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<jcase> |
i didn't dd it, ive had issues with sdcards and journaling filesystems in the past, so i did ext2 |
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<jcase> |
well |
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<jcase> |
ext3 i had issues with |
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<jcase> |
had several flash devices die out fast |
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<aliosa27> |
atime is disabled to aid in saving lives |
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<jcase> |
ah |
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<jcase> |
what will the interface be named once its up |
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<aliosa27> |
"Give a man a lfash drive and windows for a day, or give a man linux with no atime and he will be happy forever" |
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<aliosa27> |
*flash |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
jcase: I posted a tutorial here http://linuxoutlaws.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2253&start=10 that I thought kind of picked up where the quantumlime/HunterDavis instructions left off. I was still having keymap problems with Aliosa, so i still don't have a page of my own up (I jumped to rootnexus) |
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<jcase> |
awesome |
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<jcase> |
5150 california? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
No, IBM model 5150 (original 8088). My goal is to do some YouTube broadcasts on my classic PC collection. |
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<jcase> |
ah so your not criminally insaine? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Found out after I chose the name it is LAPD radio code for criminally insane. Strange bit of serindipity there :) |
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<jcase> |
its california penial code |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
They haven't caught me yet at least. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
OK, I also get a lot of snowboarder hits if I Google it. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Like I said in the post, in Aliosa (no offense) I never got the keymap right in cursor mode (unmouse) in X. I was told it was because I shouldn't run X as root, but X wouldn't start for any of the standard users I created. |
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<aliosa27> |
none taken,, the first release was a kludge |
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<aliosa27> |
fixed these days but yeh |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I had to swap SD's because of errors, if I can get the other working (if not I'll get another SD) I'll download again and take another run at it. |
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<jcase> |
yeah imma go steal another microSD from another phone, until i can get some more mini |
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<jcase> |
aliosa in your image, whats the name of the wifi interface ? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
That's where the one I borked came from. Specs for my phone said 2Gb max, some joker posted he had 4Gb running. Phone could read the card but not write to it so I had extra 4Gb card laying around. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
eth1 right? Docs for an earlier image had it eth0 |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
"wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -ieth1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" after editing wpa_supplicant.conf (see my link above) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Then do lease a DHCP address "dhclient eth1" |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Then TO lease a DHCP address |
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<Adnyxo> |
rkdavis, will the zipit in theory support a lcd with these specs? 3.0 inch 16-bit color WVGA (800x480) TFT touchscreen |
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<Adnyxo> |
3 Inch TFT 262k Touch Screen (240 x 480 Pixels) would this be better? |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: according to the manual then it will cope with 800x600 but whether any specific lcd will work is left as an exercise for the reader |
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<Adnyxo> |
ah |
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<Adnyxo> |
would it support touch |
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<Adnyxo> |
could it in theory |
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<rkdavis> |
yes iirc there is a ts controller |
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<Adnyxo> |
great |
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<Adnyxo> |
although im probably not smart enough to get it to work |
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<Rock> |
Hey, folks I don't own a zipit but I considered buying one. My dad is older and not to tech savy. I would like to get him one that will connect to a simple server I wrote for sending out news alerts. How hard would it be to 1) install the linux os 2) install some sort of telnet program 3) create some means of having the zipit automatically connect to a server everytime it was turned on? |
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<Rock> |
Is it possible? |
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<Adnyxo> |
yes |
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<Adnyxo> |
but i cant tell you how to do it |
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<Rock> |
figure it would be difficult? |
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<Adnyxo> |
not that bad |
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<Adnyxo> |
jagsphs userland allready has a telenet program |
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<Rock> |
oh cool. |
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<Rock> |
do you know the name of it? |
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<Rock> |
maybe i could reseach the program |
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<Adnyxo> |
http://zipit.rootnexus.org/ |
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<Adnyxo> |
FTP/Telnet server for easy remove access from a home network. |
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<Rock> |
my bad, i meant do you know the name of the telnet program |
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<Adnyxo> |
no |
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<Adnyxo> |
i dont use it |
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<Rock> |
well thanks anyway. it helps to know that there is a telnet program |
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<Rock> |
thanks again for the help... later |
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<Adnyxo> |
bye |
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<Adnyxo> |
so about usb support |
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<Adnyxo> |
any usb mouse will work with the proper modifications? |
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<orochi> |
is the new "average user" image back up yet? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ehhh?? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
This one? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/ |
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<orochi> |
yeah. is there a way to just put that on the sd card with windows? or is that just the root file system? |
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<jcase> |
thre is an image i believe |
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<Webhostbudd> |
there is |
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<Webhostbudd> |
just go into the 1gb image folder |
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<Webhostbudd> |
FYI, just use unix, it makes life easier |
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<Webhostbudd> |
but, physdiskwrite on windows will work |
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<orochi> |
does it work with the.dd file? |
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<orochi> |
in the rars |
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<Webhostbudd> |
it should |
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<orochi> |
alright i'll try that. i couldn't get that working last night, but it may have been the beer. |
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<orochi> |
haha well of course it works this time around.... |
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<orochi> |
and not last night |
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<orochi> |
so this one lets you scan the names of all the wireless networks? |
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<orochi> |
by default |
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<Adnyxo> |
glad its working |
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<orochi> |
yeah me too. you guys know off the top of your head how much free space there is? |
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<orochi> |
with the default settings |
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<Adnyxo> |
depends on what size card |
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<jcase> |
what is the - key mapped to |
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<orochi> |
i don't know. i just put the image on there with physdiskwrite |
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<jcase> |
orochi what im doign right now |
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<jcase> |
is taking the excess space |
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<jcase> |
and mounting it as /home |
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<jcase> |
shouldnt need that much space |
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<jcase> |
325mb |
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<jcase> |
free |
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<orochi> |
ok cool |
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<orochi> |
i was just thinking about downloading like 30 meg videos |
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<jcase> |
just mount the rest as /home |
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<orochi> |
maybe like a few at a time |
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<orochi> |
that should be plenty |
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<orochi> |
so you can just mount the other partitions? |
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<jcase> |
yeah |
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<jcase> |
fstab |
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<jcase> |
make a new ext3 parition |
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<orochi> |
sweet |
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<jcase> |
cp all of /home to it |
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<jcase> |
se it in fstab |
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<jcase> |
google linux new home partition |
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<Adnyxo> |
so im gonna upgrade the display on the z2 and put it in a ds lite case |
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<Adnyxo> |
im hoping i can use the included buttons for the snes games! |
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<orochi> |
how do i close windows? |
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<orochi> |
nvm |
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<orochi> |
is there a way to type parentheses? |
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<orochi> |
i need them for my essid |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
hit alt + shift + j/k |
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<Webhostbudd> |
assuming you are using default keybinds |
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<Webhostbudd> |
keymap |
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<orochi> |
when i press alt+shift+j i get '( |
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<orochi> |
but that's cool. i hope to do some c programming on this thing when i'm bored at school. |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
deleted the ' |
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<Webhostbudd> |
its a mistake in the keybinding |
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<Webhostbudd> |
if you use keymap2.map instead it works better |
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<Webhostbudd> |
it just doesn't match up with the keys as well |
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<orochi> |
i see. is the keymap.map file already on the os? |
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<orochi> |
could i just find the file and then xmodmap it again? |
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<orochi> |
if that's the word for it |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i would imagine so |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i just need to figure out how to make the font smaller |
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<Webhostbudd> |
it is so large when in bash without x11 |
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<Webhostbudd> |
in x11 the font is pretty good |
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<jcase> |
how is the - mapped? |
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<jcase> |
nm\im blind |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
jcase: - ia alt-l |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
- is alt-l |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
OK, I see you found it, for a moment I thought you meant blind literally, as in using Orca |
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<orochi> |
where can i get keymap2.map? |
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<orochi> |
and is it a lot different? |
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<orochi> |
i was just going to delete the ' from the ( but i don't think i know how |
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<jcase> |
\thanks yeah i found it |
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<jcase> |
welp up and running good |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I don't see a keymap2.map on Aliosa27's site, what's the reference? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
in the z2 pre2 |
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<Webhostbudd> |
look in /opt |
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<orochi> |
oh cool thanks! |
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<Webhostbudd> |
you might have to get kbd and console-setup to use the keymap though |
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<orochi> |
oh?? why's that? |
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<orochi> |
or what's that rather |
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<orochi> |
do i have to have that before i xmodmap? |
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<orochi> |
is there any way to move my place back one so i can delete the ' before the ( |
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<Webhostbudd> |
no idea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
honestly, xmodmap probably works |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i was just messing around with fonts and the likes |
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<Webhostbudd> |
got my keymap messed up |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ended up fixing it with console-tools |
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<orochi> |
i got an error when i used xmodmap for some reason |
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<orochi> |
it said it couldn't read the file |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
jcase and all: rkdavis was kind enough to place this file where I could download it weeks ago http://thebigredswitch.comuf.com/ZipIt/zipitkeymap-template.pdf Shows all the key combos |
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<Webhostbudd> |
anyone know where to get small terminal fonts |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ive been playing around with the defaults but they are so large |
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<jcase> |
awesome |
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<jcase> |
FiftyOneFifty: if anyone needs files related to zipit lmk, we have servers up in |
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<jcase> |
la, nj and dallas |
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<jcase> |
and i could mirror anything that needs to be |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Cool, I've been meaning to paste that file up but I'm lazy |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Webhostbudd: Go to http://linux.zipitwireless.com/irclogs and troll for 4x6, dtal's been doing a lot of work so he can run an 80 column terminal |
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<z2lrk> |
jcase: what is lmk? |
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<jcase> |
let me know |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I think dtal is running kernel 3x and ubootn, not sure if it is possible in Aliosa or Rootnexus |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<z2lrk> |
jcase: ah I have software builds on the mind so I was thinking mk == make :) |
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<z2lrk> |
Any kernel building folks around? I would like to hear opinions about porting the OE work to OpenWRT |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
z2lrk: Earlier today we were talking about the ben http://www.qi-hardware.com/products/ben-nanonote/comment-page-1/#comment-1790 , a very ZipIt like device that runs OpenWRT. Looks like the devs post to the product page. Might be worth contacting them so as not to reinvent the wheel. |
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<Webhostbudd> |
so they really dont just have small terminus fonts |
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<Mcavity_> |
there are some very small founts out there |
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<z2lrk> |
5150: is that not a mips? |
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<Mcavity_> |
fonts |
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<Mcavity_> |
<looking at keymap.. noticed its not showing thr funtion keys. [which you can get when mouse toggle is on] |
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<z2lrk> |
I have built and rebuilt the z2 kernel using the sourceforge open embedded method |
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<z2lrk> |
and then did the same under the other OE variants OpenMoko, Poky, etc and |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
z2lrk: Your right, not an Arm is it? |
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<orochi> |
wooaah...youtube works on the zipit now? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
orochi: With Mozzwald's script, which is in RootNexus |
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<orochi> |
so far i just get "loading youtube video" and then the message goes away |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
It needs time to transcode |
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<z2lrk> |
and come to conclusion that it is too tedious to keep up with the latest kernel revs using OE. OpenWRT is IMHO nicer. |
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<z2lrk> |
marex: I'm looking for kernel people for opinions on using openwrt as an alternative to open embedded for keeping the zipit kernel up to date. Do you have some time? |
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<marex> |
just returned from my GF ... what do you need ? |
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<marex> |
I use emdebian on my Z2 |
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<marex> |
it's quite up to date .... |
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<marex> |
and OE is quite fine .. at least for producing toolchains |
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<marex> |
it can also make userland and is fine for developing the userland ... |
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<z2lrk> |
are you using emdeb to build the kernel? |
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<marex> |
I use toolchain from emdebian to compile Linux kernel for ARM architecture, yes |
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<z2lrk> |
I want to try out some kernel code, some mine and some 3rd party (streamline). I want a quick rebuild with enough userland to do testing. Would you recommend emdeb for this? |
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<marex> |
ah ... for kernel development, I use initramfs with busybox and enough tools to test hardware |
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<z2lrk> |
With OE I was spending too much time dealing with my ignorance of bitbake. Openwrt is pure make (make menuconfig style) so much more streamlined for me. |
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<marex> |
I know openwrt as well ... |
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<marex> |
OE is successor of openwrt (you can read about this stuff) |
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<z2lrk> |
My code is split between userland and kernel so I rebuild both each time. |
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<marex> |
what are you writing ? |
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<z2lrk> |
Yes, that is sort of how I found openwrt. |
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<z2lrk> |
I'm embedding the plan9 kernel in linux so that as the android folks say, linux makes a great universal device driver. |
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<z2lrk> |
But that is what I am doing. What I am thinking is that the work that you and others did getting the zipit kernel & wireless working is going to suffer bitrot since not many people are motivated enough to do OE. |
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<z2lrk> |
I'm motivated enough to keep a copy of openwrt up to date for building a kernel. And since it seems that |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, someone should take the patches and push them mainline already ... |
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<z2lrk> |
most people are using debian packages, openwrt might be what the community needs. |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, instead of kicking the dead (plan9) |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, I use debian as well ... it's fine |
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<marex> |
(for userland that is ... I compile kernel by hand) |
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<z2lrk> |
Yes someone should push to mainline, but that is out of scope for me. |
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<marex> |
why ? |
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<marex> |
(that's awesome ... everyone's saying 'someone should' and noone does anything ... everyone only plays on his own small playground and in the end it's all wasted time) |
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<z2lrk> |
I roger all the above. I'm pretty sure I'm not wasting time. I'm using the plan9 code to avoid wasting time. I'm using the linux code to avoid wasting time. Setting up a linux kernel contributor environment, learning git |
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<marex> |
plan9 is worthless ... |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, what is not worthless is pushing patches mainline and testing if the kernel operates correctly (and fixing bugs) |
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<z2lrk> |
to that level, getting up to speed to the point that I dont waste real kernel people's time ... . By the time I |
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<z2lrk> |
do that, the z2 patches will be bitrotted to nanoparticals. |
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<z2lrk> |
In the meantime I would like to at least keep your and other's work from rotting. So, how? |
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<z2lrk> |
Embdian? Openwrt? The open embedded recipes are using a pxa ycaio?? branch of the kernel. |
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<marex> |
ycmiao |
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<marex> |
btw. what you should do is take the patches ... git clone the ycmiao kernel tree, switch to devel ... |
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<marex> |
git am <patch>.patch |
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<marex> |
if that doesn't work ... apply by hand |
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<marex> |
fix conflicts |
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<marex> |
git add <list of changed files> |
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<marex> |
git commit --author "Your Name <your@em.ail>" |
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<marex> |
copy-paste the commit message from original patch |
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<marex> |
submit to linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org |
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<marex> |
CC me and eric |
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<marex> |
to clone the kernel tree ... git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ycmiao/pxa-linux-2.6.git ; git checkout -t -b devel origin/devel |
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<z2lrk> |
OK, here is my ignorance, the commit is a diff against a mainline kernel release? or against ycmiao? |
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<marex> |
to compile ... get some .config ; then make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=<your-cross-compiler-prefix> uImage |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, what diff ? |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, submitting diffs (generated by git format-patch <revision from which you want to generate diffs>) against ycmiao tree is the best you can do |
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<z2lrk> |
Sorry, the patches that are submitted, I would need to test them before submitting? Correct? |
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<marex> |
to get the revision, use git log |
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<marex> |
there are no submitted patches besides the LCD/spi patch |
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<z2lrk> |
"against ycmiao tree is the best you can do", I think that was the answer to the question I was not articulate enough to formulate. OK. |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, everything xscale and armada related happens in the ycmiao tree ... that's the main marvell tree |
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<z2lrk> |
Ah. Does that include kirkwood? |
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<marex> |
I haven't seen too many kirkwood patches recently |
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<z2lrk> |
OK, let me see if I have the idea, their is only one patch that needs to be commited. It is your LCD/spi patch. The wireless code is already in ycmaio and thus already as upstream as it needs to be. The LCD/spi patch |
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<jcase> |
FiftyOneFifty: on that keymap how do i use purple keys |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, no, there are many patches that need to be commited |
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<marex> |
the whole patchset I released last summer (maybe someone updated it ... dunno) |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, the only patch that's in is the drivers/video/backlight/lms283gf05.c ... which handles the LCD backlight init on Z2 ... |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, you have to update the rest and push it in ... it should be simple |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
jcase: :) Took me a while too, <Ctrl> is Blue, <Alt> is Red, Purple is <Ctrl> + <Alt> |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, when you have the patchset updated, be sure to contact me, I'll help you submitting it and getting it into the tree, it should be easy |
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<marex> |
I'm off to bed ... it's been a long day, gnight |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
And some are a little off, for instance < is <Shift> comma, not <Alt> Comma |
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<marex> |
z2lrk, if you have some questions about this, ask them ... |
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<z2lrk> |
gnight. I will ponder the above & maybe more cohearnt tomorrow. thnaks. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Anyone know why +/- on the side are not mappd to volume? |
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* |
FiftyOneFifty realizes this is an invitation for him to go find out and mapp them |
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<Mcavity_> |
HEHE |
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<Mcavity_> |
or as page up page down... |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Yeah, scroll would be better |
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<Mcavity_> |
ok off to work. yay overtime |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
jcase: my bad, purple is Shift ALT |
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<Webhostbudd> |
would anyone mind telling me if there is a simple way to poll the battery to determine its charge |
