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<muriani> |
Mcavity: good news, indeed |
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<dTal> |
(gtk-demo:18196): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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<dTal> |
what fun what fun |
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<dTal> |
wait wat |
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<Mcavity> |
? |
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<dTal> |
Does every GTK application have to be recompiled to work with gtk on the framebuffer? |
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<Mcavity> |
i dunno |
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<dTal> |
because that seems stupid |
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<Mcavity> |
yay stupid? |
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<zmef> |
happy vd everyone |
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<Gnuet> |
ye ye. |
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<Gnuet> |
am i the only one not liking the idea of a specific day to celebrate love? |
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<Gnuet> |
i celebrate love every day i'm with my fiancee. |
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<zmef> |
no, i heard an advertisement yesterday for a bar that was for singles only today |
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<zmef> |
no sappy crap was the tag line |
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<Gnuet> |
^^ |
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<zmef> |
ok so, i can get into bash fine with iz2s but i have to skip the network setup to do so |
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<zmef> |
then i can't get wifi up afterward |
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<zmef> |
i can't use busybox dhcp client? |
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<Gnuet> |
odd. |
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<zmef> |
ok what is the command to get ip? |
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<zmef> |
dhcpcd eth0 |
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<Adnyxo> |
im happy |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<zmef> |
hi rkdav |
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<rkdavis> |
zmef: just a quick question. is your router using wep or open? iz2s is setup for wpa |
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<zmef> |
open |
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<rkdavis> |
that's the problem then |
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<rkdavis> |
you can fix that esily though |
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<zmef> |
i like to share :-) |
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<zmef> |
im on it |
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<zmef> |
i suspected |
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<rkdavis> |
if you go into wpa_supplicant.conf in /mnt/sd0/etc |
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<rkdavis> |
you can edit to use open ap and then just tell iz2s not to change the settings |
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<rkdavis> |
or you could edit z2script.sh but thats a teeny bit more comlicated |
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<zmef> |
ok what di i change / add in the conf? |
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<zmef> |
do even |
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<rkdavis> |
ray is adding somee stuff to thee next version of iz2s to handle wep and open though from a chnage i made |
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<rkdavis> |
ok basically change the contetntsd of the network={} block to ssid="ANY" |
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<rkdavis> |
and delete the psk lines |
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<rkdavis> |
might need to add the line key_mgmt=none too |
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<rkdavis> |
but i'd need to check my files to check |
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<zmef> |
hmm, the only line reads ctrl_interface=/tmp/wpa_ctrl |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey rkdavis, talk to me |
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<Adnyxo> |
i need to know how up-gradable the zipits screen is |
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<Adnyxo> |
someone said you knew about it |
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<rkdavis> |
network={ |
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<rkdavis> |
ssid=\"$apname\" |
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<rkdavis> |
key_mgmt=NONE |
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<rkdavis> |
} |
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<rkdavis> |
change \$apname\ to your ssid |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: in theory you could but in practice probably not easy but the controller can handlee 800x600 |
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<rkdavis> |
so youd need something with thee correct connector and maybe some changes in the boot loader |
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<rkdavis> |
in fact almost ceainly need to mod thee bootloader unless you go to uboot and the you'd just need to do a new driver |
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<Gnuet> |
damn. rc1-pre2 is really and improvement :D |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol fedora wont unzip it for me |
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<Adnyxo> |
cool |
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<Adnyxo> |
rkdavis, im making a chumby like device with the zipit mobo, and hopefully a new screen |
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<Adnyxo> |
i also want to make a h2g2 esq wikepedia browser |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: i already sort of do the chumby thing -- got a server that parses various things and dumps them onto the zipit by wifi -- works well |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh cool |
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<Adnyxo> |
can you give me some details? |
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<Adnyxo> |
i was hoping to have it display the time as a screensaver and then add a slightly more custom interface for apps with less mouse interaction |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: the hhgttg thing is easy -- use iz2s and launch links to wikipedia and put that into a bash loop |
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<Adnyxo> |
well i want to put it in a h2g2 caseing |
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<Adnyxo> |
just to make it look awesome |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: only the clock is up atm and you don't have the zipit side but you ca see an example |
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<rkdavis> |
http://russelldavis.org/DPF-Z2/Z2DPF.php?driver=browser |
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<rkdavis> |
i also have a twitter and imap version but they are not running atm |
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<Adnyxo> |
where would you suggest to look for new lcds? this is one of my first projects btw |
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<rkdavis> |
not sure, i'd look up the specs of the existing one and see what you can find that has the same pinouts and then see if there is a driver for linux for it |
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<Adnyxo> |
okay i can do tha |
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<Adnyxo> |
t |
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<zmef> |
rkdav: what were those options for links -g again? |
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<rkdavis> |
links [url] -g --dfb:layer-rotate=90 --dfb:no-cursor |
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<zmef> |
thanks |
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<rkdavis> |
np |
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<rkdavis> |
if you are using iz2s the links2 script shoudl do it automagically |
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<rkdavis> |
but ther emight be a bug in it so i need to read the script |
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<rkdavis> |
mompls |
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<rkdavis> |
yup you need to probably add a $1 to the script |
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<dTal> |
So does anyone have a clue how this GTK on DirectFB works? |
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<dTal> |
My compile finally finished, but nothing works. Somebody please tell me I don't have to recompile every goddamn frickin GTK app to male it work. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: ok i won't tell you |
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<dTal> |
*sigh* |
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<dTal> |
I didn't say "don't tell me I have to", I said "tell me I don't have to" |
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<rkdavis> |
:) i think you probably will have to as there are probably some Xisms in the existing ones even though there shouldn't be |
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<dTal> |
but besides that? Pure GTK apps? |
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<dTal> |
seems to defeat the purpose of an extra layer otherwise |
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<rkdavis> |
yup but programmers are lazy |
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<rkdavis> |
and all it takes is one slip of the keyboard to force the need for a X lib |
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<dTal> |
but in principle |
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<dTal> |
in principle, do I need to recompile against GTK with DirectFB? |
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<dTal> |
If not, why is there a seperate dev package for it in debian? |
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<rkdavis> |
in principal you are supposed to give me a million dollars but you haven't |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey rkdavis what command should i use to untarr the newest .tar.bz*2 image? |
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<rkdavis> |
sudo tar -xjvf [tarball] -C /media/sdcard prolly |
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<Adnyxo> |
thanks |
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<Adnyxo> |
its working |
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<Adnyxo> |
btw whats xjvf mean |
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<zappy42> |
-x = extract, -j = bzip2 archive format, -v = verbose, -f = this file [tarball] |
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<rkdavis> |
if it had been a .gz the then j would have been a z |
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<Adnyxo> |
i see |
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<Adnyxo> |
this will help me learn and ask less stupid questions |
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<Gnuet> |
any idea if it's possible to easily change the language on the z2 without breaking the keymap? |
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<zappy42> |
epdfview seems like a good pdf viewer for the z2 |
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<zappy42> |
it's slow, but it seems to work the best of the three I tried |
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<zappy42> |
can someone point me to a good resource on compiling programs for, say, ARM9 on an x86 Linux box? I know it's possible, but I can't remember what it's called and so don't know what to google for .... |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
zappy: I think this is the standard environment some people start with: http://linux.zipitwireless.com/wiki/Scratchbox |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I've not contibuted any code, so that is the extent of my knowledge |
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<zappy42> |
that's a great link, thanks. Looks like I'll be setting a up a Debian VM next .... |
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<Webhostbudd> |
does anyone know if you get substantially better battery life on the zipit by disabling x |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i really don't need it running, im mainly using the zipit for ssh and bash related functions |
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<dTal> |
I would imagine you would |
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<Webhostbudd> |
same |
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<dTal> |
would reduce swapping, for a start |
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<dTal> |
I've gotten 6,7 hours of life with low load and low brightness |
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<Webhostbudd> |
im just wondering if anyone has messed around with settings for high performance |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<Webhostbudd> |
what is the command to change brightness? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i really don't need it bright at all |
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<dTal> |
couple of files seem to do it |
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<dTal> |
this is in jag's power script |
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<dTal> |
echo value > /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.0/brightness |
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<dTal> |
where value is a number between 0 and 1023, inclusive |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<Webhostbudd> |
do i have to run anything then? |
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<dTal> |
change pwm.backlight.0 to pwm.backlight.1 for keyboard |
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<dTal> |
I was echoing by hand to slightly different place that also worked |
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<dTal> |
no, just echo a value to a file |
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<Webhostbudd> |
interesting |
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<dTal> |
not really, tis the unix way |
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<dTal> |
everything is a file |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i didnt realize it was able to change without executing something |
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<Webhostbudd> |
is it actually a file or just a mapped link? |
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<dTal> |
bear in mind, if you use that command to turn off your backlight completely, you might have trouble turning it back on |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
haha |
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<dTal> |
it's an interface to the backlight driver, dunno the details |
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<dTal> |
but no it isn't a literal file |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<Webhostbudd> |
that makes more sense |
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<dTal> |
but yeah, X is basically useless on the zipit |
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<Webhostbudd> |
no kidding |
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<Webhostbudd> |
its not horrible, but i have no need |
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<Webhostbudd> |
all i need is a shell |
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<dTal> |
I don't know why everyone's focusing their attention on making a userland withit |
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<dTal> |
have you got an 80 column terminal with it yet? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
it is easy for people to use then |
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<Webhostbudd> |
no..... |
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<Webhostbudd> |
????? |
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<dTal> |
but it isn't easy to use, it's a nightmare |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<dTal> |
we need our own, framebuffer gui |
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<Webhostbudd> |
if i could just get this one keybinding fixed i would love this device |
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<dTal> |
what userland you using? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
the rootnexus pre rc2 |
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<Webhostbudd> |
rc1 pre2 |
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<dTal> |
everyone keeps talking about it, what's new in it and where's the link? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/ |
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<Webhostbudd> |
im not totally sure |
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<Webhostbudd> |
im new to the zipit hacking scene and this was my first useland |
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<Webhostbudd> |
userland |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i don't do a whole lot of low level software modding or embeded work, so it is somewhat new to me |
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<dTal> |
oh nice, an elinks friendly ascii title bar |
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<wicknix> |
i actually dont mind X on the zipit. it's quite easy to navigate if you add/change some keybindings |
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<dTal> |
it's horrific and it eats ram for breakfast |
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<wicknix> |
not really |
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<Webhostbudd> |
is there any documentation on this stuff |
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<dTal> |
it makes a fast device slow |
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<wicknix> |
doesnt eat much ram really |
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<wicknix> |
in this screen shot i have 3 terminals open and the desktop w/conky running |
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<wicknix> |
http://www.hostwork.com/users/matt/zipitz2/image/z2-desktop.png |
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<dTal> |
Webhostbudd: I recommend the 80 column terminal, it makes the font tiny but console apps work reliably |
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<dTal> |
and lots of space |
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<Webhostbudd> |
would anyone mind telling me where i can change keybindings? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
my font is pretty small as is |
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<dTal> |
In X? No idea. |
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<wicknix> |
i disabled rox-filer from starting the desktopto save ram though |
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<Webhostbudd> |
well |
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<Webhostbudd> |
in bash |
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<wicknix> |
Webhostbudd, the keybindings are in ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig |
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<Webhostbudd> |
thanks |
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<wicknix> |
if using X |
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<dTal> |
wicknix: whereas without X running, I had gcc doing a build, centerim, alsamixer, streaming internet radio, irssi, and a few bash prompts |
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<dTal> |
and yhe music didn't even skip |
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<dTal> |
this is a very capable device as long as you don't exhaust the ram |
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<wicknix> |
to each there own. im just saying if you tweak the userland with X it isnt bad |
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<Adnyxo> |
is it possible to upgrade the ram? |
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<dTal> |
Adnyxo: No. |
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<Webhostbudd> |
those aren't the keybindings im talking about |
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<wicknix> |
you want to edit the keymap then? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
wicknix, do you know where the file is for the keymappings to the letter keys |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
thats what i mean |
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<Webhostbudd> |
meant |
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<dTal> |
these aren't the keybindings you're looking for |
| [17:28:56] |
<wicknix> |
i think in /opt or its hidden in the home directory |
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* |
dTal waves his hand |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea? |
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<dTal> |
move along |
| [17:29:38] |
<Webhostbudd> |
it looks like it might be in opt |
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<Webhostbudd> |
do you guys know where the aliases to the terms stored in the keymap are |
| [17:30:57] |
<ogmious09> |
Well sense this device is for more than just one persons particular desires. It needs X |
| [17:31:02] |
<Webhostbudd> |
things such as bracketleft |
| [17:32:32] |
<dTal> |
ogmious09: I think it's possible to design a versatile, expandable system without X |
| [17:32:38] |
<ogmious09> |
For you |
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<ogmious09> |
Jags is for the AVERAGE user |
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* |
dTal *cough*iphone*cough* |
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<ogmious09> |
and frankly *cough* X runs pretty reasonably on the Zipit with some tweaks |
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<dTal> |
99 percent of all the apps anyone is likely to need on a zipit can be made to run, and run better, on the framebuffer |
| [17:34:14] |
<ogmious09> |
*Cough* Again, FOR YOU |
| [17:34:23] |
<dTal> |
but it's a silly argument, well each do our thing and may the best interface win |
| [17:35:04] |
<dTal> |
but go on, name a program that works better in X |
| [17:35:11] |
<ogmious09> |
Hand your CLI Zipit to any 6 year old kid and tell em to go at it. Now hand them something with a mouse and a GUI. I m pretty thankful Jaq is doing his userland WITH X |
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<dTal> |
don't say xterm |
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<wicknix> |
show me a framebuffer PDF viwer :P |
| [17:35:25] |
<wicknix> |
veiwer* |
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<ogmious09> |
Don't try to complete my thoughts dTal |
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<dTal> |
okay, one sec |
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<wicknix> |
and no some crappy pdf2text conversion |
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<wicknix> |
no/not |
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<dTal> |
epdfview |
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<dTal> |
gtk app |
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<ogmious09> |
open a video file EASILY with mplayer |
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<dTal> |
gtk runs on the framebuffer |
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<dTal> |
ta-daaa |
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<ogmious09> |
Not talking Uber Geeks and Pocket projector opinionated Geeker here. Talking Average user |
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<wicknix> |
no, gtk has to be build with framebuffer support and every app has to be rebuilt to use framebuffer gtk |
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<wicknix> |
then it might work |
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<dTal> |
so we'll have a repository |
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<ogmious09> |
Put your CLI zipit on the table for anyone to walk up and use and put one with Jag's Userland. See who gets more done |
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<wicknix> |
but you wont find framebuffer gtk apps in debians repos |
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<dTal> |
in practice you can't easily add apps to any userland atm |
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<dTal> |
wicknix: nooo, we'd have to compile our own |
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<dTal> |
and put them in the repo |
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<dTal> |
for ordinary users to download |
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<wicknix> |
then yeah, but show me that right "now" |
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<dTal> |
just like every other embedded device |
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<wicknix> |
with no apps built for fbgtk, you need X :P |
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<wicknix> |
my paoint is made |
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<ogmious09> |
Everyone who has made a Fully functional Easy to use Vast improvement GUI for an embedded application raise your hand *cough* wicknix |
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<wicknix> |
popint( |
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<wicknix> |
point* |
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<dTal> |
well, obviously it doesn't exist yet, but it is, in my opinion, what we need to be working towards |
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<wicknix> |
this keyboard suxc |
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<Adnyxo> |
i can tell |
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<ogmious09> |
Go work then, we'll stick to fun and EASY |
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<dTal> |
well, if you enjoy a cursor crawling under mouse emulation across a screen, first over and then down cuz diagonal doesn't work, good luck to you |
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<wicknix> |
dTal, no need for mouse in X |
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<dTal> |
but that must be some weird definition of "fun" which means "not fun" |
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<ogmious09> |
PAWN |
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<wicknix> |
keybindings and tab key is all i use |
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<dTal> |
no, go ahead |
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<ogmious09> |
You're right dTal, you have shown me the error of my ways |
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<dTal> |
like I said, dumb argument |
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<dTal> |
if you're happy, you're happy |
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<ogmious09> |
I will absorb your opinion as the bar to be measured |
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<wicknix> |
dTal, my keybindings and tab key is no different than you using screens keybindings for multiple consoles |
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<wicknix> |
so thats a washout there |
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<ogmious09> |
you on the Z2 wicknix? |
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<wicknix> |
not at he moment no... its idle on irc in the other room |
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<wicknix> |
just ubuntu seems to hate cheap noname $7 replacement keyboards |
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<wicknix> |
i get random characters and dropped keys |
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<ogmious09> |
lol, yeah I was pulling for you, hoping to have a good excuse for the typos.\ |
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<wicknix> |
heh |
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<ogmious09> |
I blame mine on public school education and out of date equipment in typing class |
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<Adnyxo> |
heh\ |
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<Adnyxo> |
public school |
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<Webhostbudd> |
does anyone know what script changes the brightness when you open and close the lid of the zipit in the rootnexus build? |
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<dTal> |
/etc/powermanagement.sh |
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<dTal> |
/etc/power-management.sh that is |
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<dTal> |
with a hyphen |
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<Webhostbudd> |
interesting, i dont see any values in there |
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<dTal> |
I think it's done with environment variables |
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<Webhostbudd> |
probably |
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<Webhostbudd> |
o |
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<Webhostbudd> |
lid-daemon.sh possibly |
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<dTal> |
the brightness levels are right there at the top |
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<Webhostbudd> |
they are on lid-daemon |
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<dTal> |
#!/bin/bash |
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<dTal> |
################################# |
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<dTal> |
#POWER MANAGEMENT INTERFACE FOR Z2 |
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<dTal> |
# -JAGSPH 2010 VERSION 0.11 |
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<dTal> |
# http://zipit.rootnexus.org/ |
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<dTal> |
# with help from #zipit irc.freenode.net |
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<dTal> |
# rkdavis, mozzwald |
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<dTal> |
######### |
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<dTal> |
# Vars for LID |
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<dTal> |
# |
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<dTal> |
#SCREEN BRIGHTNESS |
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<dTal> |
SCRB=500 |
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<dTal> |
#BATTERY POWERED SCREEN BRIGHTNESS |
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<dTal> |
BTDISP=420 |
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<Webhostbudd> |
it is 700 |
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<dTal> |
#KEY BRIGHTNESS (JUST LEAVE THEM OFF) |
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<dTal> |
KEYB=0 |
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<dTal> |
#How fast do we check the lid open/close status |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea.... |
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<dTal> |
LIDTIME=2 |
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<dTal> |
oops, sorry for the spam |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i have a different file |
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<Webhostbudd> |
interesting |
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<dTal> |
different versions no doubt |
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<Webhostbudd> |
anyway, i got it, thanks |
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<dTal> |
I have RC1 I think |
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<dTal> |
heavily modified by now, not much left of the original |
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<Webhostbudd> |
probably |
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<Adnyxo> |
is jagsph still working towards a final release? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i would imagine so |
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<Adnyxo> |
great |
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<Webhostbudd> |
anyway, dTal, did you just disable matchbox from autostarting or did you build off of a different userland? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
since you seem to have x disabled |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i see what you mean dtal, it is much snappier when running purely from bash |
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<Webhostbudd> |
if it is bash |
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<dTal> |
yeah, I just disabled the autostart |
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<dTal> |
but left the autologin |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i disabled x11-common |
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<Webhostbudd> |
but it didn't do anything |
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<Webhostbudd> |
still tries to start |
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<dTal> |
also put in an init script to set the console font to 80 column |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
thats what i was about to ask |
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<dTal> |
that was the hardest part and I'm not quite sure how I did it |
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<Webhostbudd> |
hmmm |
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<dTal> |
just read the docs and fiddled around until it worked |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<Webhostbudd> |
its not in the bashrc is it? |
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<wicknix> |
i think the package you need installed is something like console-chars to enable changing console fonts and sizes |
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<Webhostbudd> |
sounds about right |
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<dTal> |
rename .bash_profile to something else |
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<dTal> |
that disables automatic X |
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<dTal> |
no, I added an actual init script |
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<Webhostbudd> |
kk |
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<dTal> |
the package I added was kbd |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ahh |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i see the line to startx now |
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<dTal> |
which gets you setfont |
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<Webhostbudd> |
who the hell did that |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ahaha |
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<dTal> |
or you could make a new .bash_profile with setfont in it, probably easier |
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<dTal> |
but I wanted it to work at all runlevels |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<dTal> |
still a bit hackish, not sure how to make it "default" |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i have a startup script for screen brightness |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ill just throw the font size stuff in there |
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<dTal> |
do you have the font? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
not yet |
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<Webhostbudd> |
o nice, color terminal |
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<dTal> |
(btw it is bash) |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea, every other time i've used bash color has been disabled or something |
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<Webhostbudd> |
anyway |
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<Webhostbudd> |
just install kbd and it gets all the fonts i need |
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<dTal> |
does it? don't think there's a 4x6 one in there |
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<dTal> |
which is what you need if you want 80 column |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<dTal> |
if you want it, I dunno, whatever |
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<Webhostbudd> |
hmmmm |
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<Webhostbudd> |
i love how telnet is broken |
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<Webhostbudd> |
and it sucks because i only do ssh stuff |
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<dTal> |
what's broken about it? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
login: Cannot possibly work without effective root |
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<Webhostbudd> |
havent even touched telnet |
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<dTal> |
I don't follow at all |
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<Webhostbudd> |
sorry |
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<Webhostbudd> |
inted starts |
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<Webhostbudd> |
seems like everything is running fine |
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<Webhostbudd> |
when i connect with a telnet client i recieve that error msg |
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<dTal> |
oh |
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<dTal> |
I don't know about telnet |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea..... |
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<wicknix> |
well, telnet isnt ssh.. |
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<wicknix> |
just install sshd/openssh etc |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea, i get that |
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<Webhostbudd> |
it runs fine? |
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<wicknix> |
yep |
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<wicknix> |
or use dropbear |
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<Webhostbudd> |
jagsph seemed to think it was an issue |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<wicknix> |
dropbear is lighter |
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<Webhostbudd> |
ive never even heard of it |
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<wicknix> |
used mostly in embedded os's |
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<Webhostbudd> |
how do you connect to dropbear? |
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<wicknix> |
same as you would with sshd etc |
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<wicknix> |
ssh username@ip.adress |
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<Webhostbudd> |
is it a form of ssh server? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
o |
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<Webhostbudd> |
see, ive never even heard of it |
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<Webhostbudd> |
alright |
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<wicknix> |
or you could use putty also |
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<Webhostbudd> |
yea |
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<Webhostbudd> |
wow |
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<Webhostbudd> |
seems pretty snappy to me with dropbear |
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<Webhostbudd> |
any idea where i can get documentation on this stuff |
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<Adnyxo> |
which stuff? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
well, i was talking to dTal about kbd and console-tools for changing the font size, but i really can't find any good documentation on it |
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<zmef> |
hey guys, how do i change screens with screen? |
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<wicknix> |
ctrl+a |
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<wicknix> |
or ctrl+c |
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<wicknix> |
i forget which is which. one opens a new screen, then other rotates through them |
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<dTal> |
ctrl-a n for next, cntrl-a p for previous, or you can play finger twister with cntrl-a # where #is the screen number |
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<zmef> |
yeah but where is ctrl? |
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<wicknix> |
the .... key |
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<zmef> |
ah ha |
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<zmef> |
thank you |
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<wicknix> |
np |
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<Mcavity> |
yay im not only one with the telnet issue.. though i fixed it |
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<Mcavity> |
changed it to run as root like ftp |
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<zmef> |
also, is it possible to ssh out to my box? |
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<zmef> |
not really familiar with dropbear/busybox |
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<wicknix> |
putty is built into rootnexus userland or install openssh |
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<wicknix> |
to do that |
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<rkdavis> |
dbclient is the dropbear ssh client |
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<zmef> |
thanks guys |
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<wicknix> |
or ln -s dbcient to ssh |
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<wicknix> |
:) |
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<zmef> |
one last question for today: how do i shutdown |
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marex goes to bath in perversion ... time to hack on PATA subsystem 8-) |
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<zmef> |
exit just reads logout and then it freezes |
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<Adnyxo> |
press the power button :-) |
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<rkdavis> |
evening all |
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<hunternet93> |
Where can I find the best deal on a zipit Z2? I checked the Target in Fort Smith, AR (which is listed on the zipit site as carrying them...) but they didn't have any. |
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<hunternet93> |
Umm... where can I find _any_ deal on a zipit that's lower than $50 + s&h? Or should I just shell out the $50? |
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<hunternet93> |
Is anyone here or all AFK? |
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<rkdavis> |
here |
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<Webhostbudd> |
here |
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<rkdavis> |
basically afaik the only place really atm is from zipit |
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<hunternet93> |
man... |
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<hunternet93> |
I was hoping for a $25 one but oh well |
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<hunternet93> |
guess I'd better start saving... g'night! |
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<ahigerd> |
:o Hey, I've not been in here in a while. I kinda forgot ^^; |
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<rkdavis> |
yup long time no see ahigerd |
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<ahigerd> |
I've been really busy ^^() |
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<ahigerd> |
So how's everything been going? Any major developments since I was last in here... uh... two months ago? |
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<rkdavis> |
actuall yes |
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<rkdavis> |
new rootfs for debian based users |
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<ahigerd> |
Still no new OE? |
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<rkdavis> |
aliosa27 has also reappeared |
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<rkdavis> |
still no oe though |
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<rkdavis> |
maybe soon |
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<ahigerd> |
How about RayHaque's no-installation mini-distro? I see he's not in here right now but I thought that was an appealing project |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
lots of new stuff and a new version due soon to replace the 2.04 that cameout in dec/jan |
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<rkdavis> |
shaed libs now |
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<ahigerd> |
Awesome, that was the big problem he had before |
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<rkdavis> |
lotsa new stuff and lots of nice patches and a few power management apps too |
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<rkdavis> |
i wrote a few tings to test the lid and turn the lcd on/off |
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<rkdavis> |
and kbleds on/off |
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<rkdavis> |
helps alot |
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<ahigerd> |
I was intending to write something along those lines |
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<rkdavis> |
i also added the lid app to the start of z2script.sh so that if the lid is closed and it tried to powerup it turns itself off |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. no pocket turning on |
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<rkdavis> |
that helps alot too |
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<ahigerd> |
That's a great idea |
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<ahigerd> |
I would have implemented something like that in my own scripts but for some reason I could only get toggle notifications, not explicit "open" or "close" events. Maybe I was just parsing something wrong. |
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<ahigerd> |
And about that time is when the deadlines started flying at work. |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
i am basically just reading the gpio and returnong 1 or 0 and then the script tests for that |
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<rkdavis> |
the lcd/kbleds on off work but they should in theory do intensity too but the don't so i am missing something in the manual |
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<ahigerd> |
Can you do that from user mode as root? Or did you have to make a kernel module? |
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<ahigerd> |
I've had mixed results doing that with embedded hardware in the past. |
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<rkdavis> |
i did it from user as root |
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<rkdavis> |
hold on i can url you the source code |
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<ahigerd> |
Sure, I'm curious |
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<rkdavis> |
it's micky mouse but it works |
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<ahigerd> |
*laugh* What's that mean? |
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<rkdavis> |
never heard the phrase "mickey mouse (tm) " program? |
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<rkdavis> |
http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/lid.c |
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<rkdavis> |
that;s the lid open/closed app |
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<ahigerd> |
I think I've heard it before but I don't know what it means |
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<rkdavis> |
mickey mouse program just means quick, dirty, gets the job done |
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<ahigerd> |
Ah, hehe |
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<rkdavis> |
and as simply as possible, nothing flashy |
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<ahigerd> |
Yep, this looks a lot like the GPIO stuff I'd done before |
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<rkdavis> |
as i noted there basically a devmen ripoff that is cut down to the minimum needed |
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<ahigerd> |
Except... I don't remember opening /dev/mem; how did I do it in userspace before? I had written a GPIO sound output system |
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<ahigerd> |
Eight GPIO pins wired up to a resistor array wired up to a speaker |
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<ahigerd> |
It worked, except for one major problem |
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<ahigerd> |
Loud pops every time the kernel did a context switch |
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