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<nebukan> |
haha, i compiled xbmc on my laptop the other day that took for ever |
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<nebukan> |
http://www.archmobile.org/trac/wiki/AM/BuildEnvironment did u see that |
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<jagsph_> |
i did not actually i only looked at their repositories |
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<nebukan> |
jagsph_: haha just saw yr essid. lotsa love notes a recon |
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<jagsph_> |
well ive got some rude racial neighbors |
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<jagsph_> |
im listening to akon and 50 cent all night |
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<jagsph_> |
do u know what its like to wake up 3 in the morning and hear "convict music...." |
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<jagsph_> |
"its my birthday.... i got the magic stick" |
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<rkdavis> |
nearly as bad as being kept up all night by spanish muic |
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<jagsph_> |
oh the ones ontop have the spanish music |
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<rkdavis> |
we used to live over a spanish resturant |
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<nebukan> |
saw this amazing youtube clip when akon throws a teen out in the crowed and cripples a female fan |
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<rkdavis> |
even the murder that took place outside didn't get them to lose their alcohol license |
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<nebukan> |
when i moved to london four years ago, first night i thug got stabbed outside my house. first impressions last |
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<jagsph_> |
isnt ny wonderful? |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<nebukan> |
where about you live? |
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<jagsph_> |
my ex lives in ny now.. |
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<jagsph_> |
im as far away as u can get from ny in the lower states |
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<jagsph_> |
well theres only 1 upper state. |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis lives in the bronx with thugs |
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<nebukan> |
dont know much about ny, love to go there one day |
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<jagsph_> |
from what i hear only upstate is nice |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: nope bay ridge with the guido's |
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<jagsph_> |
lol@italians |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: we dont have those here |
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<jagsph_> |
to be as pc as possible...... we have african americans and hispanic americans |
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<jagsph_> |
and a large population of asian americans |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: that's racist :) |
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<rkdavis> |
there is no such thing, they are either american or terrorists |
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<jagsph_> |
if they cant use then and than properly in a sentence then they are terrorists |
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<nebukan> |
every hole is a goal gentlemen |
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<rkdavis> |
pisses me off all the damn parades they have. if you are so bloody proud of the country you come from or your ancestors came from then good the bloody hell back there |
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<rkdavis> |
s/good/go |
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<rkdavis> |
i have a tee-shirt i some times wear -- "welcome to america now speak english" |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: maybe you should send them home to meet their ancestors |
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<rkdavis> |
i had to learn american when i moved here (because american bears no relationship to the english language) so can they :) |
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<jagsph_> |
before rkdavis came to america "bloody posh yankie wankers" |
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<rkdavis> |
if you guys are nice to us we might let you rejoin the commonwealth |
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<jagsph_> |
that would be ace mate |
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<jagsph_> |
cant be arsed by some aggro brits |
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<user_> |
was there 12 or 13 star wheb you came over on the boat rkdavis? |
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<rkdavis> |
didn't come by boat :) flew panam |
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<user_> |
was it the pinta nina or santa maria you were on? |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis was almost arse over elbow in the english channel |
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<rkdavis> |
well if you guys hadn't cheated in the revolutionary war |
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<jagsph_> |
smoked himself soem baccy hes just a barmy old mate |
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<rkdavis> |
wearing green and hiding behind trees |
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<rkdavis> |
just not cricket |
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<user_> |
well maybe next time no marching in straight lines wearing flaming hmo red in a forest enviroment? |
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<rkdavis> |
those were the rules of war at the time |
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<jagsph_> |
they only did that because they have such bad teeth and ugly fat women back home. |
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<rkdavis> |
you guys cheated |
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<theubermensche> |
nice guys finish last |
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<jagsph_> |
i would have a death wish too if i was him |
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<user_> |
might wanna teach the ranks an envasive manuever like ducking |
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<user_> |
theres no rules in war. lucky we didnt kick them in the balls |
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<theubermensche> |
side note, does the zipit handle mobile google reader or any rss reader well |
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<theubermensche> |
and is there any lightweight podcast manager? |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis has been slagged off |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: eh? |
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<user_> |
i say ole boy, is that a musket you're pointing at me? I think I shall stand here until the primer cord burns through to find out |
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<jagsph_> |
thought u understood brit |
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<jagsph_> |
im using all of my old world english slang on you. |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: i do when someone speaks it |
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<user_> |
sod off yeah wanker |
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<jagsph_> |
slag means u had "shit" talked about you |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: you are jusy mardy |
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<rkdavis> |
just mardy even |
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<user_> |
bob's your uncle and all that jazz |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: dunno where you learnt your english slang from but not in the midlands it doesn't |
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<jagsph_> |
you must be too old. |
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<user_> |
hack pilgrim rock huh? |
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<rkdavis> |
the slang you are using went out of fashion in the 50s |
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<user_> |
lol |
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<jagsph_> |
how old are you then? |
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<jagsph_> |
80? |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: you need to get a newer dictionary |
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<jagsph_> |
if only i had a dictionary |
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<user_> |
must be confusing here for you, chips aren't frys and fags mean something completely different |
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<jagsph_> |
"fancy i bum a fag off u mate"? |
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<user_> |
sure sailor, just pop around back for a second |
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<jagsph_> |
fancy a todger rkdavis?? |
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<rkdavis> |
i got into trouble the first time i went to a chip shop in the usa -- asked for faggot and peas twice, they sent me round the back of the store to meet to effeminat guys |
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<jagsph_> |
smegma |
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<jagsph_> |
sounds like u were fancying a bum shag rkdavis |
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<user_> |
dont lie you knew what you were asking for. you'd been here 8 years already |
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<jagsph_> |
8.75 from what i understand |
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<user_> |
you just used the across the pound excuse cause the guy was ugly |
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<user_> |
i kid i kid |
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<jagsph_> |
a little rumpy pumpy with bubba |
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<user_> |
weve seen Austin Powers Rkdavis we got ammo |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis is turning a parky shoulder |
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<jagsph_> |
he fancys a bum |
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<user_> |
high roading us |
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<jagsph_> |
way too posh for our kind |
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<user_> |
is it tea time? |
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<jagsph_> |
having a piss up at the pub |
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<jagsph_> |
gone to bum a fag from his mate |
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<user_> |
We need to stick to queen's english |
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<user_> |
in like flint kicked James bonds butt |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis quit pissing around |
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<user_> |
think I am gonna lay off him, he's a snart dude and we need him for the Z2 |
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<jagsph_> |
im getting tired my eyes hurt |
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<user_> |
smart |
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<rkdavis> |
know th efeeling, been staring at this same piece of bash script for 30 minutes |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis should just audition for the pink panther |
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<user_> |
the original Mr.Bean |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: take a break grab some tea |
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<jagsph_> |
earl gray |
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<user_> |
hey rkdavis, they got a Z3 coming down the pipeline? |
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<jagsph_> |
ok u berk |
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<jagsph_> |
bobbins that z3 is... bobbins |
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<user_> |
mozzwald can you make a script for redtube also? |
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<jagsph_> |
would rather see hairy man bristols |
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<jagsph_> |
user_: too daft |
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<user_> |
not sure why lostirc shows me as user |
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<theubermensche> |
does the zipit handle mobile google reader or any rss reader well, and is there any lightweight podcast manager available? |
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<user_> |
so thats a no for the redtube script? |
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<user_> |
like I'm the only one who wants to know |
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<jagsph_> |
i just finished porting freedos to arm |
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<jagsph_> |
using uboot to load it |
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<jagsph_> |
my z2 now has freedos |
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<theubermensche> |
jagsph_ : is there any sort of rss feed manager that would work on the zipit? |
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<jagsph_> |
probably i dont know off hand... anything for debian |
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<jagsph_> |
http://packages.debian.org/ |
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<dTal> |
Let it not be said the Zipit isn't a "real computer" anymore. |
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<dTal> |
I have a 80 column screen session with irssi, elinks, a build in progress, alsamixer, and streaming groove salad. |
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<dTal> |
and the music isn't skipping or anything. |
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<dTal> |
On the other hand, the build is likely to take a very long time. |
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<dTal> |
Aw. My build failed. |
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<dTal> |
But I think I fixed the problem. |
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<Adnyxo> |
hello again |
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<Mcavity> |
morning |
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<Adnyxo> |
installing fedora was quite an adventure |
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<Adnyxo> |
hows the zipit front |
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<Mcavity> |
fun fun! |
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<Adnyxo> |
yep |
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<Adnyxo> |
now ive got to work on nvidia 3d drivers and my dual monitors |
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<user___> |
? |
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<user___> |
hello, anyone here? |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey user |
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<Adnyxo> |
im here for a few |
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<Adnyxo> |
but im not that smart |
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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<rkdavis> |
woohoo i've given myself a snow day off |
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<Adnyxo> |
cool |
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<Adnyxo> |
its beginning to snow here in georgia as well |
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<rkdavis> |
about 2" so far they just started plowing |
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<Adnyxo> |
barely a dusting here, but its supposed to get heavier and dump on friday |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Anyone know the form factor of the power jack? Knocked my ZipIt off the desk and bent the plug :( I need to know what to ask for in Radio Shack or search for online. |
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<Adnyxo> |
just take in the broken one |
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<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: not off hand but the best thing to do is take it with you |
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<rkdavis> |
and match it |
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<rkdavis> |
but check polarity too |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
OK, I thought that's what I'd have to do |
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<rkdavis> |
for some reason 2,5mm sticks in my head |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Polarity, yes, I meant to use a multitester before I cut anything |
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<rkdavis> |
i think it standard not like amstrad |
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<rkdavis> |
let me see if i can find out |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Thanks |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Been wanting to get an extra plug anyway, I started looking into solar power and found many of the solar garden lights produce 4.7v DC |
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<Adnyxo> |
im in love with free power |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Out to be close enought to the 5v adapter input to try it |
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<rkdavis> |
5v 1.3a |
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<rkdavis> |
and looks like 1.8mm and looks likee one i have seen in rs |
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<rkdavis> |
look at the rack of power tips and it is one of the cellphone ones |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
OK, that's where i've seen something similar, cell phone adapters |
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<rkdavis> |
and looks like standard polarity but the writing is tiny |
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<rkdavis> |
i've seen the tip in the packs of the emergency cellphone recharge batteries |
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<rkdavis> |
but check the one you get has the litttle dimple found it |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
rkdavis: The recessed ring around the tip on the extrenal connector? |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Thanks again |
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<rkdavis> |
should be ok without but if you can find it so much thee better |
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<rkdavis> |
bloody stick e key |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Right, it won't slide out |
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<rkdavis> |
even with the dimple thingy my plug pulls out alot |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Right, and you go to pick it up and it's dead |
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<rkdavis> |
well i have some power management set on mine (stock) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
I just have what jagsph put in |
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<dTal> |
14:46 < FiftyOneFifty> Right, it won't slide out |
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<dTal> |
14:48 < rkdavis> even with the dimple thingy my plug pulls out alot |
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<dTal> |
14:49 < FiftyOneFifty> Right, and you go to pick it up and it's dead |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: you have a point? :) |
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<dTal> |
no, not at all :) |
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<dTal> |
I just wish someone had entered the room just then, been disgusted, and left immediately so I could put it on bash.org |
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<rkdavis> |
oh btw all the irc log search is working again now - well not as google is still indexing and it's via google site search but it is better thna the error we got on trac |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: should have /faked/ it |
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<rkdavis> |
but then all the ladies fake it for dTal :) |
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<rkdavis> |
so oyu'd be used to it |
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* |
rkdavis ducks |
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<dTal> |
well they would have had to join before anyone said anything |
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<dTal> |
unless you suggest falsifying the submission |
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<dTal> |
in which case shame on you |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
dTal: surprised you passed up the 1.8mm joke |
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<dTal> |
nah, too implausible |
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<dTal> |
3 1/2" floppy is much better |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
dtal: No-one under 30 knows what you are referring to |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Last year, the student assigned to assist me picked up and old 68k Mac motherboard and asked how to remove the 72 pin memory. I had to show him how you unlock it and lay it over at a 45 degree angle to slide it out. Made me feel about 80 years old |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
i like watching people try to use dip switches, no person under 35 really knows how to do it without ripping their hands to shreads |
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<LT[LC]> |
lol |
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<LT[LC]> |
you sure about that? |
| [10:06:41] |
<FiftyOneFifty> |
rkdavis: What have you seen in ten years that has dip switches? |
| [10:06:49] |
<rkdavis> |
well every one i've tested with it ends up with bloody all over the place |
| [10:07:07] |
<rkdavis> |
FiftyOneFifty: lots of stuff but nothing new but that was the point |
| [10:07:09] |
<LT[LC]> |
o.O |
| [10:07:22] |
<rkdavis> |
if i am showing someone how to do stuff on older kit |
| [10:07:24] |
<LT[LC]> |
people managed to hurt themselves with DIP switches? |
| [10:07:26] |
<dTal> |
56k external modems |
| [10:07:30] |
<LT[LC]> |
i guess that's not surprising |
| [10:07:36] |
<dTal> |
they were still around in 2000 |
| [10:07:46] |
<rkdavis> |
LT[LC]: yes because they don't bither to use a screwdriver to reach in |
| [10:07:54] |
<LT[LC]> |
i mean, i did have a client who somehow ended up with bologna in their cd drive |
| [10:07:55] |
<rkdavis> |
they just shove their hands right inthere |
| [10:08:30] |
<FiftyOneFifty> |
i did have a client who somehow ended up with bologna in their cd drive : Take it way, dtal |
| [10:08:41] |
<LT[LC]> |
? |
| [10:09:06] |
<rkdavis> |
said the actress to the bishop |
| [10:09:55] |
<dTal> |
okay, I really am pissed off at debian now |
| [10:10:26] |
<dTal> |
for the same reason I always get pissed off with debian |
| [10:10:47] |
<dTal> |
building packages from source is bloody impossible |
| [10:12:21] |
<dTal> |
for some reason dpkg-buildpackage isn't preserving vars throuought the build process |
| [10:12:58] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, I was always curious ... but how are you actually involved with zipit wireless ? |
| [10:16:35] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i'm not really |
| [10:16:43] |
<rkdavis> |
other than i have an oem license |
| [10:17:06] |
<marex> |
where are you selling the Z2s ? |
| [10:17:21] |
<rkdavis> |
and I like the guys so talk to them every now and again and ask questions and request answers |
| [10:17:49] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i'm allowed to sell pre-modded ones outside of the usa and un-modded ones anywhere |
| [10:18:21] |
<rkdavis> |
marex:but of course for the pre-modded ones i need to workout the gpl stuff, respositoies and blob lincenses |
| [10:18:31] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, hm ... do you know anything about the 'new thing' zipit wireless is planning ? |
| [10:18:39] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: but from a website once i get my stock in |
| [10:18:48] |
<marex> |
that's good :) |
| [10:19:12] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i know they are working on something but not for the consumer retail market |
| [10:19:42] |
<rkdavis> |
but that's all i can say as i'm under an nda although i just broke the nda by saying i am under an nda :) |
| [10:20:01] |
<marex> |
you can't even say you're under NDA ? |
| [10:20:12] |
<marex> |
jeez ... that's stupid ... |
| [10:20:19] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i was watching you and jagsph last night -- that was fun :) |
| [10:20:26] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: that was a joke |
| [10:20:46] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, you mean my involvement with marvell ... hmm |
| [10:20:49] |
<rkdavis> |
it's like in the house of commons cafe in the uk -- the menu is actually under the official secrets act |
| [10:21:01] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: yes the license stuff :) |
| [10:21:02] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, I never planned contacting law dept and I never did ... I just wanted to warn them to be careful |
| [10:21:20] |
<marex> |
this can really get you into problems :( |
| [10:21:21] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i thought so but it was fun to read |
| [10:21:29] |
<marex> |
so can NDAs and other stuff like that 3-/ |
| [10:21:39] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, sure |
| [10:21:52] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: yes that is why i am being very careful how to handle premodded zipit's got to be careful to check that i have everything covered |
| [10:22:19] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: yes i hate nda's but i have a few because i wanted to work on the stuff, but i try to avoid them if i can |
| [10:22:51] |
<marex> |
I fear I'll have to sign one to expand my pxa3 stuff 3-/ |
| [10:22:58] |
<marex> |
that really p**ses me |
| [10:23:02] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: :( |
| [10:23:16] |
<marex> |
marvell wont supply me with docs unless I subscribe that crap |
| [10:24:09] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i told gpsfan about sleep_walker's stuff and gave him links etc. to it. it did cursory checks and looks like it is possible if everything is how he thinks it is internally |
| [10:24:18] |
<rkdavis> |
no promises but he thinks doable |
| [10:24:23] |
<marex> |
you mean UHC ? |
| [10:24:28] |
<rkdavis> |
yup |
| [10:24:37] |
<marex> |
that's not actually sleepwalkers invention |
| [10:24:56] |
<rkdavis> |
well yup but his name is tagged to it in th efirst link i found about it |
| [10:24:57] |
<marex> |
Ato found that out (BobOfDoom) ... a hack&dev founder, friend, etc. |
| [10:25:02] |
<rkdavis> |
that and alex but |
| [10:25:09] |
<marex> |
BobOfDoom == alex |
| [10:25:24] |
<marex> |
but Bob is inactive ... |
| [10:25:25] |
<rkdavis> |
ah his blog said sleep walker told him |
| [10:25:33] |
<rkdavis> |
if it's the same alex |
| [10:25:48] |
<marex> |
dunno what the blog says ... I know the history ;-) |
| [10:26:06] |
<rkdavis> |
still i did some first checking and it seemed possible and everything was available and in the right place and gpsfan checked it and he agreed |
| [10:26:17] |
<marex> |
sleep's english is borked btw. so be careful |
| [10:26:43] |
<rkdavis> |
yup -- it was readable but i had to think what he meant for a whie; |
| [10:26:51] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, the only thing you have to be careful about is that UHC is only available for one PXAUDC port ... |
| [10:26:55] |
<marex> |
(dunno which one now) |
| [10:26:56] |
<rkdavis> |
still if it does work it'd be nice |
| [10:27:07] |
<marex> |
I know Z2 has UDC on the connector on it's back ... |
| [10:27:17] |
<marex> |
(dang ... I violated the license here ^ ) |
| [10:27:30] |
<rkdavis> |
port 2 from the blog/stuff sleep sent and that seems to be the one wired up in the zipit |
| [10:27:34] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, yes ... I planned connecting bluetooth dongle there |
| [10:28:10] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, hm actually .., can you buy the counterpart for that Z2 connector somewhere ? |
| [10:29:35] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: last time i checked digikey had them |
| [10:29:58] |
<marex> |
can you send me a link to those " |
| [10:29:58] |
<marex> |
? |
| [10:30:23] |
<rkdavis> |
hold on let me grab the info |
| [10:31:31] |
<rkdavis> |
http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/328595-conn-plug-36pos-solder-pcb-st40x-36s-cv-80.html for the cable connector |
| [10:32:02] |
<rkdavis> |
http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/328598-conn-plug-36pos-r-a-cradle-smd-st60x-36s.html |
| [10:32:27] |
<rkdavis> |
http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/328596-conn-recept-36pos-r-a-smd-st60-36p.html |
| [10:32:45] |
<rkdavis> |
thats the links to all the rear connector stuff the first one is for the cable connector |
| [10:32:52] |
<marex> |
awesome ... |
| [10:33:00] |
<marex> |
someone could design a wifi/camera board for that |
| [10:34:10] |
<rkdavis> |
yup the pins on the expansion port are straight through to the pxa27x camera stuff and linux already has the drivers so it's just the camera hardware that is needed |
| [10:34:36] |
<rkdavis> |
faxx was going to look at that soon as he has a camera that was froma cellphone that shoudl work |
| [10:34:51] |
<rkdavis> |
s/faxx/foxx |
| [10:36:39] |
<marex> |
I'm not writing another PXAQCI (or rather the soc-camera) driver until someone pays me for that |
| [10:36:54] |
<marex> |
it's too crazy to do it for free |
| [10:36:58] |
<rkdavis> |
yup |
| [10:38:13] |
<rkdavis> |
i try not to get out of bed unless someone pays me now -- got screwed too many times in the past |
| [10:38:58] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, well hacking was fun in the past ... it's not now ... |
| [10:39:10] |
<marex> |
lack of time, lack of motivation etc. |
| [10:40:05] |
<rkdavis> |
yup |
| [10:40:27] |
<marex> |
besides ... I'm involved with too many projects ... |
| [10:40:39] |
<marex> |
I wish someone could push the Z2 patches into mainline kernel |
| [10:40:53] |
<rkdavis> |
i'm mucking around with some stuff for my own pleasure at the moment but really even then i am finding it a bit boring on the standard stuff |
| [10:41:01] |
<marex> |
they were absolutelly clean when I released them ... yet noone got to pushing them in |
| [10:41:39] |
<rkdavis> |
yup the bitrot has set in, gpsfan had problems building in oe a few days ago |
| [10:42:20] |
<rkdavis> |
i know sweetlilmre did some new patches but he was waiting for aliosa27 to send him the u-boot patches but it never happened |
| [10:42:46] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, I have been hacking on uboot quite a lot recently ... |
| [10:42:48] |
<marex> |
but for PXA3 |
| [10:42:49] |
<rkdavis> |
he emailed aliosa27 a few days ago and aliosa27 said he had svn problems and would try again but so far nothing |
| [10:43:17] |
<marex> |
pxa2 seems totally dead already ... but it was awesome CPU |
| [10:43:28] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: yup i was reading some stuff about the pxa3xx and your name cropped up alot |
| [10:43:34] |
<marex> |
besides ... marvell now has the new PJ4 based armada CPUs ... they are cool |
| [10:43:43] |
<rkdavis> |
yup the pxa2xx is legacy stuff now |
| [10:43:52] |
<marex> |
armv6 based :) |
| [10:43:58] |
<rkdavis> |
:) |
| [10:44:05] |
<marex> |
pxa3 is still armv5 ... |
| [10:44:12] |
* |
dTal wonders if suspend and hibernate could be made to work on the zipit, and if so would a kernel recompile be needed |
| [10:44:14] |
<rkdavis> |
arm is nice |
| [10:44:43] |
<marex> |
dTal, you need the bootloader to support it through standard methods |
| [10:44:50] |
<marex> |
uboot does that ... |
| [10:45:17] |
<dTal> |
Seems like uboot ought to be the preferred method |
| [10:45:41] |
<dTal> |
rather than flashing the kernel direct |
| [10:45:52] |
<marex> |
huh ? |
| [10:46:19] |
<dTal> |
well, all the third party OSs use a directly flashed kernel |
| [10:46:43] |
<dTal> |
whereas with uboot the kernel could be on the SD |
| [10:46:59] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: not true :) oe/.30+ use new bootloader the kernel is on the sd card |
| [10:47:31] |
<dTal> |
rkdavis: Oh? how well does it work? |
| [10:47:34] |
<rkdavis> |
and pretty much the way the oe svn stuff is now you have to goto u-boot to use it |
| [10:47:56] |
<dTal> |
and where can it be downloaded? |
| [10:48:20] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: u-boot is bigger than blob so you have to replace the blob partition and the onboard kernel with u-boot |
| [10:48:33] |
<rkdavis> |
but then the kernel lives on the sdcard |
| [10:48:58] |
<dTal> |
yes, I realise that |
| [10:49:06] |
<dTal> |
but how well does it work? |
| [10:49:20] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: all the info i son sweetlilmre's blog, zipit wiki and openzipit.sourceforge.net |
| [10:49:28] |
<rkdavis> |
works very well |
| [10:49:40] |
<dTal> |
last I read there were lcd problems |
| [10:49:47] |
<rkdavis> |
i have one zipit u-booted and it works well |
| [10:49:51] |
<rkdavis> |
marex solved those |
| [10:50:20] |
<rkdavis> |
was something baout spi and lcd initialisation in the bootloader |
| [10:50:42] |
<dTal> |
could an existing userland be made to work with uboot without much effort? I'm unfamiliar with the technicalities of this early stage of booting |
| [10:51:33] |
<dTal> |
also, I think I figured out the cause of the segfaults |
| [10:51:42] |
<rkdavis> |
well it is some effort, i tried jag's stuff on my ubooted zipit and it didn't work out of the box but i didn't look into why |
| [10:51:54] |
<rkdavis> |
probably partition stuff and maybe soem other small details |
| [10:52:20] |
<rkdavis> |
what was causing them? |
| [10:52:25] |
<dTal> |
is |
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<marex> |
rkdavis, I never hacked on the LCD in uboot |
| [10:52:38] |
<dTal> |
slow sd, I think |
| [10:52:49] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, I pushed a driver for the LCD into linux kernel, it's there, ready for use |
| [10:53:04] |
<dTal> |
basically, when the zipit runs low on ram, it goes into swap |
| [10:53:16] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: i thought it was you and sweetlilmre worked out that blob was doing so stuff in spi to init the lcd that u-boot wasn't |
| [10:54:19] |
<dTal> |
and if the sd is slow, there's an interaction which causes segfaults |
| [10:54:37] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, no ... I read through the LCD docs, implemented the init sequence within linux kernel and pushed it through linux-mm tree |
| [10:54:54] |
<marex> |
rkdavis, sweetlilmre did some nasty hacks to replicate this within uboot |
| [10:55:02] |
<rkdavis> |
marex: ah ok, i must have misunderstood |
| [10:55:07] |
<rkdavis> |
or misread |
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<marex> |
drivers/video/backlight/lms283gf05.c |
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<rkdavis> |
i need to dig into various kernel sources -- i am working with the stock kernel but trying to ge stuff working anyway i.e. backlights, battery level etc. |
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<dTal> |
well, the compile finished |
| [11:07:11] |
<dTal> |
it's building the .deb files now |
| [11:12:01] |
<dTal> |
...aaaaand it failed |
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<dTal> |
man this is like pulling teeth |
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<N|ght^> |
dTal: What are you trying to do? |
| [11:20:43] |
<dTal> |
ultimately, run desktop apps on the framebuffer without even recompiling them |
| [11:20:56] |
<dTal> |
on debian |
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<dTal> |
I upgraded directfb to a version which supports 90 degree rotations |
| [11:21:59] |
<dTal> |
libcairo2 depended on the old version |
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<N|ght^> |
this isn't for zipit is it? or just regular debian? |
| [11:22:21] |
<dTal> |
so I'm trying to recompile libcairo2 against the new version |
| [11:22:27] |
<dTal> |
yes, for the zipit |
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<N|ght^> |
oh... cool |
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<dTal> |
but I'm doing it all on the zipit itself |
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<dTal> |
it's perfectly capable of building packages, all my problems are either debian inherent or because I'm using emdebian sid, unstable, and experimental repos all at once |
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<N|ght^> |
how are you building the packages? |
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<N|ght^> |
when I do an apt-get install gcc or g++ it tells me there's broken packages |
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<dTal> |
apt-get source cairo |
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<dTal> |
and dpkg-buildpackage |
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<dTal> |
yeah, I had to fool with it a bit |
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<N|ght^> |
so dpkg-buildpackage doesn't require gcc or g++ packages? It can build the source on it's own? |
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<dTal> |
messed around with apt pinning till it worked |
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<N|ght^> |
oh, ok |
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<N|ght^> |
is there anywhere that has any type of howto on how you did that? |
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<dTal> |
no one place |
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<dTal> |
you have to be very careful with it, lest it replace all the emdebian packages at once |
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<dTal> |
apt-get and aptitude are weird, finicky, and slow |
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<rkdavis> |
and evil your forgot to say evil :) |
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<N|ght^> |
do you remember which version of gcc/g++ you were able to get installed on the zipit for building packages? |
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<dTal> |
I don't need to remember |
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<dTal> |
whichever is on debian sid |
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<dTal> |
4.4.3 |
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<N|ght^> |
so if I just make sure the debian sid repository is in my /etc/apt/sources.list and then update, then do apt-get -t sid install gcc it should work? |
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<dTal> |
what userland are you on |
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<N|ght^> |
soundguy's the rootnexus image RC0-PRE2 I believe |
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<dTal> |
I don't know how it's set up |
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<N|ght^> |
so you did this on the aliosa27 image? |
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<dTal> |
no, jag's |
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<dTal> |
jag's had emdebian sid and debian unstable in the repos |
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<dTal> |
apt considers emdebian packages to be higher versions than regular debian packages |
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<dTal> |
so I had to pin the debian repo higher |
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<dTal> |
I couldn't tell you the best pinning setup, I'm still having problems |
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<N|ght^> |
I see, ok |
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<dTal> |
even with the pinning, apt is unhappy about "downgrading" |
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<N|ght^> |
I'll play with it later on and see if I can get them installed on my zipit |
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<Mcavity> |
<is happy seeing all the cools stuff going on.. and if anyone figures out how to get a 640x480 virtual screen going that would be cool too =) |
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<dTal> |
unless you pin it over 1000, which as I said is dangerous |
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<N|ght^> |
gotcha |
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<dTal> |
Mcavity: I think directfb might do that, but without acceleration it'll be slow |
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<dTal> |
what do you want it for? |
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<N|ght^> |
I ran into the issue of trying to install gcc and g++ about a week ago and just moved on to trying to get other apps up and running... I'll go back to it now |
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<dTal> |
If I manage to get running what I'm hoping to get running, I'll release it |
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<Mcavity> |
i think there may be some things that we cant run on a 320x240 screen.. as it is to change some settings i have to do it blindly. |
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<Mcavity> |
like font size in irc and mesenger app.. |
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<Mcavity> |
it works you just have to know the settings there.. off screen. |
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<dTal> |
well, I'm doing everything on the console |
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<Mcavity> |
i installed a nifty browser.. looks great.. but dog slow. |
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<Mcavity> |
unuseable slow realy. |
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<dTal> |
I'm gonna try some gtk browsers on the framebuffer |
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<Mcavity> |
god luck! |
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<Mcavity> |
good too |
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<dTal> |
x eats mucho ram |
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<Mcavity> |
back in a bit. ya |
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<theubermensche__> |
are there any decent irc apps that can run on the zipit? |
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<LT[LC]> |
irssi, if you don't mind a terminal |
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<theubermensche__> |
I don't mind the terminal. Just wondering if there were any out there that worked okay without the terminal |
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<muriani> |
I think there's one on jagsph_'s image |
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<muriani> |
forget what it's called though |
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<muriani> |
I'd use irssi as long as the keymap's sane enough to use it |
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<muriani> |
haven't tried it myself, lately |
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<LT[LC]> |
same |
| [12:15:54] |
<muriani> |
I think I remember having issues running irssi with aliosa27's old OE image back in the day |
| [12:21:54] |
<dTal> |
the trick is to use escape instead of alt |
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<dTal> |
learned that on freebsd |
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<dTal> |
Alright! |
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<dTal> |
The package compiled, the debs intalled. |
| [13:15:48] |
<dTal> |
apt should, theoretically, be happy now. |
| [13:18:43] |
<dTal> |
Ooh, it wants to uninstall a bunch of stuff. |
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<LT[LC]> |
heh |
| [13:19:19] |
<dTal> |
Oh, I know why. |
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<dTal> |
I removed links2 and mplayer manually with dpkg because they depended on an earlier libdirectfb. It wants to remove their dependencies. |
| [13:21:27] |
<dTal> |
I'll build links2 from debian sources and let it remove the mplayer dependencies. |
| [13:23:37] |
<dTal> |
Hm, links2 depends on some odd things. |
| [13:23:58] |
<LT[LC]> |
yup |
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<dTal> |
pulseaudio *and* esound? |
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<Mcavity> |
heh i installed a 8 port sata controller.. on my server. i need more drives.. |
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<dTal> |
Has anyone actually successfully compiled something on the zipit before? |
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<rkdavis> |
not using debian |
| [13:40:37] |
<rkdavis> |
and it's not fun |
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<dTal> |
Cool. A first. |
| [13:41:02] |
<dTal> |
It *is* fun! |
| [13:41:25] |
<rkdavis> |
not for the poor little zipit and it's sd card :) |
| [13:41:33] |
<dTal> |
It's not a real computer until it's compiled something |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<dTal> |
it's happier compiling something than running X |
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<dTal> |
besides, if I succeed, it won't have to do either |
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<dTal> |
oh damn, I have to build sdl from source for links2 |
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<dTal> |
forget it |
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<dTal> |
I'l make firefox work instead or something |
| [13:49:05] |
<dTal> |
oh sorry, "iceweasel" |
| [13:51:40] |
<dTal> |
hmm, sdl is quite a loss |
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<dTal> |
is it a big build? |
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<Mcavity> |
i installed midori |
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<Mcavity> |
but its kind of slow based on geko |
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<dTal> |
hafta get that lightweight firefox running |
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<dTal> |
Mcavity: were you running midori in X? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
dTal: I was wondering the other day, would the new Firefox for Mameo get you part way there? It looks like it only downloads to the n900 directly, would there be source out there somewhere? |
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<dTal> |
There should be, but it looks like too much work. |
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<dTal> |
What about NetFront? |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Looking at the Wiki, I like how it says horizontal scrolling is converted to vertical, scrolling in two dimensions on the ZipIt is a hassle. |
| [14:16:23] |
<LT[LC]> |
fennec is still a WIP |
| [14:16:30] |
<LT[LC]> |
it doesn't run all that well on my treo pro |
| [14:16:37] |
<LT[LC]> |
and in my experience it leaks memory like a sieve |
| [14:16:45] |
<LT[LC]> |
not ideal for a zipit |
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<jagsph_> |
dTal: what are you trying to do? heh |
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<jagsph_> |
the screen is too small to effectively use anything but a txt browser |
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<dTal> |
make a useable graphical zipit os |
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<dTal> |
jagsph_: oh, I don't think so |
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<dTal> |
iphone screen isn't much bigger |
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<rkdavis> |
there are problems with links2 but it works great for most sites that aren't javascripty |
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<dTal> |
the main problem with links2 is I've never seen it work on the framebuffer |
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<dTal> |
even though I know it can |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: it works great in framebuffer |
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<dTal> |
on what userland? |
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<rkdavis> |
have you tried ray's version? i think he compiled it static |
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<jagsph_> |
dtal i tried it on the framebuffer |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: in other words stock |
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<jagsph_> |
it flips the screen sideways but it works. |
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<dTal> |
it segfaulted, remember? |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: links2 is fantastic on framebuffer although as i said no javascript and a few quirks but great for google etc. |
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<dTal> |
and jagsph_, that's unacceptable |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: that's because you need to add the --dfb:layer-rotate=90 |
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<dTal> |
...which requires directfb 1.3 or greater |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis is there a line to add to the kernel to rotate everything? |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: you just need to RTFM to learn about it and the right version of directfb i.e. .30+ |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: nope it's already in there but that's not how you do it |
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<jagsph_> |
i didnt care to learn. i have no intention of using it like that |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: that's what i meant for some reason i keep getting .30 stuck in my head |
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<dTal> |
jagsph_: there's a config file you can add it to |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: it does support javascript |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: not in recent versions, it was removed |
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<dTal> |
and 1.3 is not to be found on debian |
| [14:32:42] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: what about 1.4? |
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<dTal> |
yep |
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<rkdavis> |
it's 1.3 or newer |
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<dTal> |
but it breaks a bunch of stuff |
| [14:33:09] |
<rkdavis> |
and you need to edit a line in the links source |
| [14:33:13] |
<rkdavis> |
well two lines but |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: it does in links2 2.2-1+b1 |
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<dTal> |
which is why I'm recompiling stuff |
| [14:33:42] |
<dTal> |
rkdavis: I read that, and I was skeptical |
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<dTal> |
if you have to edit and recompile every app to make it work, that's no good |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: but that is an old version that isn't recommended |
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<rkdavis> |
ooo new version anyway |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: the javascript is just a hook that does nowt in 2.2.2 |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: why would u want to use something new that doesnt work, as i recall yesterday u stated if it isnt broken dont fix it... |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: also if you change the user agent to wince msie 5.0 almost EVERY site works perfectly. |
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<dTal> |
so basically, if you're not running stock, you're screwed without recompiling |
| [14:36:56] |
<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: i didn't say i wanted it i said ooooo new |
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<rkdavis> |
in otherwords lets see what it adds |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: works but looks bloody ugly |
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<jagsph_> |
and since the Z2 has memory limitations, when u start to load huge ammounts of graphics and text you start to use swap. so keep it running in mobile mode to keep the functionality |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: you can only use swap if you have swap configured |
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<rkdavis> |
i don't :) |
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<jagsph_> |
its not a desktop computer... it wont ever be capable of being one |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: and i don't have the overhead of X |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: run out of memory much? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: never |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis doesnt multi-task |
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<rkdavis> |
but then again i ain't running fluff |
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<rkdavis> |
just ssh, links and a few other bits and bobs |
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<jagsph_> |
aint running fluff but you think links is ugly |
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<jagsph_> |
you are full of contradictions today |
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<jagsph_> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: of course i do but not on something that won't like it much |
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<rkdavis> |
and as i said no X because who needs it :) |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis uses splitvt and screen |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: i NEED a browser so it isn't fluff |
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<jagsph_> |
but links2 is ugly. and u dont like running it as msie 5 wince browser. |
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<rkdavis> |
but i certianly don't need X or any nes stuff |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: lol. but thats what people want ... |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: user agent changing produces ugly sites |
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<jagsph_> |
links2 produces ugly sites. |
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<dTal> |
before NES, how bout a working pda? |
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<rkdavis> |
use the right font, sensible key bindings and a bit of tweaking and there is no need to change user agent |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis: ok then load myspace and dont change the user agent |
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<jagsph_> |
go visit cnet.com dont change the user agent |
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<jagsph_> |
enjoy your 20 lines at the top of google.com |
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<rkdavis> |
i have drop bear, links and centerim and i am using 0.0 cpu and 12416k free ram |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: that is driving me nuts why it is there, can't fathom it |
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<dTal> |
well that's your problem |
| [14:43:47] |
<rkdavis> |
it's not a biggy but a tad annoying |
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<jagsph_> |
not everyone is good with pressing a million keys and using screen |
| [14:44:06] |
<rkdavis> |
but better than everything all squidged like in your creenshot |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: whose using screen? not me |
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<jagsph_> |
thats not for everyone. |
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<jagsph_> |
can your woman use your setup and effectively perform tasks |
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<dTal> |
I'm into swap, but I'm compiling stuff, running aptitude, elinks, irssi, and centerim |
| [14:44:54] |
<rkdavis> |
why would she? |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: no screen? how do you multitask? |
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<rkdavis> |
she has an itouch and a laptop why would she want to use my zipit? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: ever heard of virtual terminals? |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis i bought it for the woman |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm very happy for all the people who run X and if it works for them then ok but i don't need or want it |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: what keybindings you using? |
| [14:47:08] |
<dTal> |
and the choice is not X or terminal |
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<rkdavis> |
it would be nice to have gpm mouse emulation and maybe a nice pretty gui but not at the expense of the leanness of stock |
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<jagsph_> |
why do you torture yourself |
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<dTal> |
mouse emulation ick |
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<jagsph_> |
with x u can accomplish more |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: whatever i want, bind things like chvt etc to a keystroke |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: and have no ram or cpu to run anything :) |
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<rkdavis> |
and by more you mean games -- i don't play games except a few older ones |
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<rkdavis> |
the od game of doom or jsw maybe wesnoth but for that i have a desktop |
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<jagsph_> |
rkdavis you need to upgrade to a real game like quake |
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<rkdavis> |
jagsph_: i have -- i sometimes play quake1 but why bother with anything newer |
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<dTal> |
This could be an awesome little mini-laptop, and everyone's being doom and gloom |
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<rkdavis> |
there are only 7 plots in the world and only 3 games |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: who's being doom and gloom? i say it is useful but i wouldn't try writing a term paper on it |
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<dTal> |
time was when 32 megs was a lot |
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<rkdavis> |
or playing blu-ray rips |
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<dTal> |
no, but it's super under-exploited atm |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: the big handycap is the screen and keyboard. better, bigger screen and non-clicky keyboard and it'd be great rather than good |
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<rkdavis> |
my perect zipit would be itouch screen with a peek formfactor and z2 mb |
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<dTal> |
if it were bigger it wouldn't be as small |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: the peek is only a fraction bigger if at all and would have room for the screen from an i touch with careful design or clamshell |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
Has anyone looked at TinyOgg.com ? You paste in a YouTube URL and it transcodes to .ogv on the server and redirects you to a page to view it. |
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<FiftyOneFifty> |
It uses HTML5 so i don't think it will play in Links2 but you can download the ogg file. I can't try with my ZipIt till I fix the power plug |
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<Adnyxo> |
rkdavis, before i go to official help: http://zipit.pastebin.com/m61af76 |
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<rkdavis> |
mompls |
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<rkdavis> |
Adnyxo: wtf is that from? suse? |
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<rkdavis> |
not got the foggiest though could be a couple of things but not sure what |
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<Adnyxo> |
sorry, i was gone |
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<Adnyxo> |
fedora 12 |
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<Adnyxo> |
64 bit |
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<Adnyxo> |
any ideas rkdavis? |
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<rkdavis> |
sorry nope unless your python is screwed or your repositories |
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<Adnyxo> |
its a fresh install, like 30 minutes ago so i dbout it |
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<Adnyxo> |
ah well. |
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<Adnyxo> |
do you know how to add a user to the sudoers file? i tried following some internet tutorials but they did not work. |
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<Reddog^> |
just add a line to /etc/sudoers |
| [17:25:48] |
<Reddog^> |
like -- username ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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<Adnyxo> |
Could not save the file /etc/sudoers |
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<Adnyxo> |
even though im root |
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<Adnyxo> |
using su |
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<Adnyxo> |
gedit /etc/sudoers |
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<Adnyxo> |
You are trying to save the file on a read-only disk. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again. |
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<Adnyxo> |
man linux hates ne |
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<Adnyxo> |
me |
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<Reddog^> |
well right, even if your root you cant save to a readonly disk |
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<Adnyxo> |
but it shouldnt be readonly |
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<Adnyxo> |
should it? |
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<Adnyxo> |
its my install hard disk |
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<dTal> |
to folks doing actual admin stuff on jagsph_'s userland, and maybe others: |
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<dTal> |
comment out the entries in /etc/fstab limiting the size of the tmp dirs |
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<Adnyxo> |
bash.orgh |
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<Adnyxo> |
how could i not have found this sooner |
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<Reddog^> |
Adnyxo: is this on a zipit, or on a real computer? |
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<Adnyxo> |
real comp |
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<Reddog^> |
ahh |
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<Adnyxo> |
fedora 12 64 |
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<Reddog^> |
if you type -- mount |
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<Reddog^> |
does it say its mounted readonly or readwrite? |
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<Reddog^> |
well, rw or ro |
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<Adnyxo> |
ill see |
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<Adnyxo> |
[aaron@Aaron-Desktop ~]$ mount |
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<Adnyxo> |
/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw) |
| [18:10:25] |
<Adnyxo> |
proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
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<Adnyxo> |
sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) |
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<Adnyxo> |
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
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<Adnyxo> |
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,rootcontext="system_u:object_r:tmpfs_t:s0") |
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<Adnyxo> |
none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) |
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<Adnyxo> |
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/aaron/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=aaron) |
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<Adnyxo> |
/dev/sdc on /media/Q2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=500,gid=500,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush) |
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<Adnyxo> |
/dev/sdb1 on /media/SANSA CRUIZ type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=500,gid=500,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,flush) |
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<Adnyxo> |
/dev/sr0 on /media/U3 System type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit,uid=500,gid=500,iocharset=utf8,mode=0400,dmode=0500) |
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<Adnyxo> |
[aaron@Aaron-Desktop ~]$ |
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<Adnyxo> |
oh my bad, meant to post the pastebin url |
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<dTal> |
yeeaaah, compiling gtk+2.0 now |
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<dTal> |
this had better all work |
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<dTal> |
maybe sdl next if this works |
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<shangrily> |
hello |
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<user___> |
hey guys |
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<dTal> |
user___: change your nick |
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<user___> |
sorry about that |
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<Reddog^> |
Adnyxo: hmm, weird.. not sure then |
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<Adnyxo> |
yep |
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<Adnyxo> |
well screw me |
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<Adnyxo> |
i was able to update though rkdavis, just ran yum update from aroot terminal |
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<Adnyxo> |
stupid gui was the problem |
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<jagsph> |
rkdavis |
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<Adnyxo> |
jagsph |
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<jagsph> |
adnyxo |
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<Adnyxo> |
whatsup |
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<jagsph> |
just ircing from my phone |
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<jagsph> |
my apt got flooded with water |
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<jagsph> |
they replaced the water heater upstairs and now I have a swimming pool |
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<jagsph> |
so I am chilling at the local mcdeath drinking some coffee |
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<jagsph> |
I should have brought my laptop |
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<Adnyxo> |
sorry about that |
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<Adnyxo> |
should have brought you zipit lol |
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<jagsph> |
if I didn't have a tmog1 |
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<Adnyxo> |
nexus one |
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<jagsph> |
I will be selling my g1 soon so I can buy one of those |
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<Adnyxo> |
send me one too |
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<jagsph> |
money talks dude |
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<Adnyxo> |
multitouch |
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* |
Adnyxo drool |
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<user___> |
sup |
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<Adnyxo> |
hey |
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<jagsph> |
hello |
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<Adnyxo> |
type /nick 95jfg7sg9 user___ |
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<jagsph> |
why |
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<Adnyxo> |
ive been reading bash.com |
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<Adnyxo> |
bash.org |
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<Adnyxo> |
and i like 95jfg7sg9 better than user__ |
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<Adnyxo> |
_ |
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<Adnyxo> |
sup user___ |
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<jagsph> |
what's at bash.org |
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<Adnyxo> |
its not safe for work |
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<Adnyxo> |
but its funny quotes from irc |
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<Adnyxo> |
like where people are tricked into doing funny stuff |
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<jagsph> |
oh. press alt+f4 if ur single |
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<Adnyxo> |
i quit |
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<Adnyxo> |
im single lol |
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<jagsph> |
the whole channel would be gone if everyone wasn't afk |
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<Adnyxo> |
afk? |
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<Adnyxo> |
Really, celerons make me laugh |
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<Adnyxo> |
<Guilty> The white trash chip |
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<Adnyxo> |
lol |
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<user___> |
pelican |
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<shangrily> |
hey i need some help with my zipit ill post a link to a vid in a sec |
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<shangrily> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYS8ehsgiQ |
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<Webhostbudd> |
hey jagsph_, you are the owner of this project right? |
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<Webhostbudd> |
or no |
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<netbook> |
exit |
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<netbook> |
heh |
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