ZipitForge - Trac

i'm actually keeping an eye for hackability to the http://www.qi-hardware.com/products/ben-nanonote/ although no inbuilt wifi in that one but possible to add and mips are interesting chips

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<mozzwald_>

oooo. that nanonote looks nice. zipit for adults. :)

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<Stiq>

nice, i agree

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<Stiq>

valium1: i know what i ment, but do not know how to explain very well

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<Stiq>

rkdavis: hmm what kinds of things, where do i find info

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Stiq: you don't they aren't consumer devices

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<Stiq>

oh

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maybe in a year or s but nothing on th eimmediate horizon

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hey, how do I set up the zipit as an ftp host?

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the help thing is no longer on his site, and I never looked at it :/

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saw that nanonote early last year, they were saying available soon back then

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<mozzwald_>

Aelius: Not sure how jagsph does it, but you could install ssh. That's what I use

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yep....my sd card is broken...

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that sucks.

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yeah I was going to use ssh mozzwald_ , but that wouldnt be good for transfering files off the zipit

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eh, maybe

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scp

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I'll try rsync actually

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if you have openzipit from jagsph, you can always apt-get install ftpd

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<mozzwald_>

Aelius: sftp works if you have ssh installed.

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never actually tried that

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<mozzwald_>

Aelius: what ftp client do you use?

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none yet

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<mozzwald_>

I use filezilla which supports sftp

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I just have a windows program I use if I need to, filezilla is an option too

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mozzwald_, so if I install ssh onto the zipit, how do I configure it? I've not used ssh past freebsd and cygwin

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which have different setups it seems

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<mozzwald_>

Aelius: you really don't need to for it work. just apt-get install ssh. after it's installed, just run /usr/sbin/sshd as root and you're gtg

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k

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weird, there is an ftp server running already

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hmm. what process?

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not sure, but I was able to connect via ftp with only the ip address, user and my pass

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sftp not supported

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in this program

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and now that I've started sshd, it isnt under ps -a

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Aelius: yer right. I can ftp as well without ssh running.

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since I cant pipe ps -x to less, I cant read all the output :(

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well ftp out of the box is good

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mostly

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I see. inetd is installed and running.

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hmm... anybody know what the 4 pins next to the headphone jack are for on the z2?

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mic I think

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a mic usually has two pins so why would this need 4?

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special headset mic thingy? :) it looks like the nintendo ds mic/headphoneport

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my friend thought it was video out

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Gotcha, that makes sense

highly unlikely

but maybe

phantom power?

for a mic?

hmm, on the ipod, that that has the same connector, it's ttl serial

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trying to update to the new userland.... apparently I cant use tar

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I have tar xvgf /userland.tar

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pwd is the SD

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error is 'old option f requires an argument'

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oh, its not mounted for some reason

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nm it is

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has anybody taken the z2 apart without busting up the case?, I only found 3 exposed screws, I'm wondering if theres another

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what am I doing wrong ?? lol. tar xvgf doesnt seem to be correct

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tar -xvgf

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with the '-'

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I just did sudo file-roller

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yeah, I thuought the minus was needed, however on the site it wasnt used, and didnt need to be there the last time I exacted apparently

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is it jagsph 's RC1?

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yeah

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tar gave me trouble with it

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theres a few interesting 'easter eggs' in the RC1, last I checked

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well there was some error booting up ubuntu

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ubuntu is useless...

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rly...

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what release are you using?

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latest I think

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karmic koala?

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whichever one wubi installer would give me

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oh, youre running a live distribution... that would be useless

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lol, no it's not live; I couldnt do anything in a live distro

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well, try doing this, 'sudo file-roller'

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the installer gives you regular ubuntu I think

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it should ask for your password

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yeah I did that when you first mentioned it

almost done

did it come up?

yeah

oh, so it's working now?

yes

theoretically

oh, ok, good

want to hear about those little eggs?

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sure

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well, it comes with a few ROMS for the emulators.

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the NES folder has an... interesting one.

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yeah, I saw that lol

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what was it, KKK mario

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yeah

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and if you go to the wi-fi connect, and then enter 4 for restore, you can see his ESSID

the one last used.

also...interesting

nice

I'll check it out in a min, almost finished

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It's not appropriate to repeat in any company.

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well.. maybe the deep-south

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why does umount need to think for so long

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so it can actually write the data to the card

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It's done that already... I just feel like ext3 is trying to be cool and prevent fragmentation / optimize before ejecting

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that too

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you have written the new kernel first, yeah?

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what?

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you flashed your zipit to openzipit kernel?

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yeah

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wasnt aware there was any other way

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for that release, there isnt

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I was just checking lol

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hmm, it stopped after the press ... c to drop to terminal :(

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although, it is a bit late to remind you if you hadnt I suppose

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it didnt stop

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give it a few seconds

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or did you presss ... +c

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I've done this before, several times; it stopped without input

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hmm

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interestingly, I press control c and x seems to start

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try pressing them, you have to be quick, I had it hang when I hit them a little too late

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either something went wrong with the extraction, or this is a buggy release

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somewhat

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try plugging in headphones

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screen backlight shuts off

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lol

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no headphone audio out

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fceu runs pretty good

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yeah, a process was hanging and ctrl c actually got x to start

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I-d like to know how they got fceu to build.

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although, I'd imageine that after flashing, you don't have to deal with the whole statically linked libs issue

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restore reports "denny'swifi"

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ah, he took my suggestion then

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in the last release, the keyboard lights were off.. i liked this

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are they mapped to a shortcut? on / off toggle

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<jagsph__>

in the last release edit /etc/lid*sh to set the brightness and there is a mapping to the power button

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k

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yeah somethings wrong; boots up faster, but gets stuck at the ctrl c

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prompt

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jagsph__, whats the proper syntax for the extraction of the tar?

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<jagsph__>

as root. tar xvjf /path/to/tar.bz2 -C /path/to/sdcard

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thanks

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grr the spring on my sd slot is broken, the card wont stay in most times

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<jagsph__>

im not having it hang on startup

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I'm chalking that up to installation error, give me a minute while I recopy it

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what size sd cards does everyone have dedicated to the zipit?

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<jagsph__>

8gb

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nice; 4GB here

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cheap / hasty buy, tho

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<jagsph__>

8gb $20 newegg.com

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nah, I'll just pick up whatever they have a radioshack

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prices are going down there

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it's a pity this thing doesnt have SD; I have a 32GB card

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ok, it works now

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hmmm if I plug my laptop, which has a charger 18.5V @3.5A

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int oa 19v @ 4.7A charger

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(65W vs 90W)

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is it going to be sad?

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<jagsph__>

i used a 9v adapter on a 5v router it ran for 30 minutes, overheated, and died.

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hmm

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I've read about how dell laptop ship with low watt power cords, and the gpus can't reach full potential because of this

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<jagsph__>

I dont know about that

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no, this is true

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currently, dell has a lot of issues with a bios that throttles cpu and gpu

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<jagsph__>

probably intentional for power saving

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yes

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but some systems are crippled to a few hundred MHz

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hey jagsph__ when I try to extract your new image to the SD card I get an operation could not be completed error

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<jagsph__>

do you want the md5?

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Well actually an error that it cannot be extracted

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Naw, I d/l'ed it like 4 times, tried it on different machines

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Maybe I am just stupid

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others are just an annoyance (my friend's heats up, throttles, and causes whatever game he's in to promptly die)

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<jagsph__>

can you verify the m5d if i give it to you anyway?

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Well, maybe I am just not doing it right

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<jagsph__>

its not an image....

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I just double click on the file in linux an choose extract to the sd card which has already been partitioned

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<jagsph__>

ok... you need to do it as root

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<jagsph__>

there are device files and files with special permissions that cannot be created as a normal user

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hmm ok

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<jagsph__>

as root tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 -C /path/to/mounted/sdcard

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oh btw, is anyone else having issue with links losing bookmarks and cookies?

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appreciate it, Gonna boot into Linux and give it a go, Thankx

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no one?

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<jagsph__>

ive never tried to save them

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surely you

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've noticed cookie losses

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<jagsph__>

i did but i havent focused on it.

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in google voice, I'll send a text, and immediately I'm logged out, unfortunately

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<jagsph__>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=links2+cookies&aq=f&aqi=g2g-sx1&oq=

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hmm

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yeah, you the man jagsph__

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watching "the angry video game nerd" on the zipit, lol

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aagh... I've been blocked by 3 people so far on msn......

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they see the {sent from my zipit www.zipitwireless.com} and they assume its a spam bot <_<

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bummer

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hey in terminal to install something by apt-get says it can't lock var

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at the risk of violation the EULA, I think I may have to find that string and remove it

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How do I su on the zipit

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su

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what distro are you using

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yeah but needs password

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debian

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jagsph__: userland

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password should be debian if its jasph

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yeah you're right, thanks

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no problem

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<Mcavity_>

you can also do op shell..

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<Mcavity_>

<lunch time!

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<jagsph__>

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/ 1gb image is up

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<Gnuet>

getting better and better i see.

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<jagsph__>

Yep. Its a fun toy now

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If I disconnect and don't come back for a week, it's because I lost power.

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I have a foot of snow on the ground this morning and it's still coming down. :-(

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This happened last year and we lost power ... for five days.

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<jagsph__>

summer in wa this year :)

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I love snow. I do. Just not when it kicks out my heat, refridgeration, and worst of all - INTERNET access.

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<jagsph__>

imagine the people who work for your internet providers tech support who have to go in there

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Yeah. And my "local office" has like one guy and a truck.

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Any real issues are solved by someone 45 minutes from here.

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<jagsph__>

lovely

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<Mcavity_>

RayHaque well refigeration should not be hard.. afterall. theres snow outside lol

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<Mcavity_>

jagsph__ whats new with the new image?

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Mcavity_: Hey, you got a point there.

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<Mcavity_>

heh

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<Mcavity_>

i will brb.. i need to reboot.

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ok im back.. and yay i have my real video card back..

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I forgot how many prereq's there were for mp3 players. :-)

Egads.

GPSFan: Hello!

RayHaque, morning..

morning all

How much time do I waste on getting mpeg4 support working for mp3 playback? :-)

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morning

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ok i may just get fed up with my printer and buy a new one like i should.

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Mcavity: $20 printer, with $50 ink cartridges?

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RayHaque: 0 time, instead work on flash support :)

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Ha! Yeah, that would be sweet.

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It would probably be really crappy and mostly broken though.

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yup

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Because it would have to be one of the play-alike players that are like 20 percent functional.

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But playing Pandora from my Zipit would be nice.

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no its a laser printer.. but gdi.. no linux drivers.

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and panasocnic refuses to update drivers

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I had the idea that I would get flash for a phone that used the pxa270. But when I finally got it downloaded, it was a Symbian binary. :-/

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50 buck toner cart.. and last one lasted me like 4 years lol. and the printer duplexes.. so its cheap to run.

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I lucked out myself.

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?

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About five years ago I bought an HP Laer 5si from a State auction. Worked PERFECTLY.

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And it seemed to have a full toner cartridge in it.

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I have been using this printer now almost six years. Never replaced the toner.

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heh

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They had the same printer at work and decomissioned it. Then threw away two new boxed toners.

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So I took those home.

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good deal

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I am good for the next 20 years or so. :-)

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lol

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If any of you have facebook ... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15889&l=4caaf5d0f4&id=1826213847

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Smoe pictures of my Winter Wonderland.

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Found a "subset" of the mpeg4ip package that only provides basic playback. Mp4 support is saved! http://resare.com/libmp4v2/

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RayHaque: just about to upload busybox 1.16.0 to my webpage

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basically the same stuff that was in the last i.e. everying that doesn't error

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Nice work man. We can throw that into "version 3".

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yup

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i really should be more selective in what apps i tell it to build though

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we don't need/can't use half of it

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s/it/them

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just about to test it

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ok looks fine

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so http://russelldavis.org/ZipitZ2/busybox

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i could probably get some more applets working if i manage to get the kernel configuration working in scratchbox. think it's time for a clean vm install again, this one is almost full :)

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I know that feeling. I filled up a 50GB VM at work on our big bad Virtual Server. And we need the space back.

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I have been putting off removing it because of all the packages I have built on it. I need to get some of my notes, etc. off of it before I purge it.

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i hate when you have to do that, especially if it has bene a few days since you last built something and the history is too short to go back several weeks

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ok i don't think we need reiserfs support on the zipit :)

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No need to keep that wife-murdering bastards name alive any longer!

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Long live ext4.

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probably can remove hush too

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and the printer stuff

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<Stiq>

hmm speaking of printers, would some sort of network printer work on the z2 somehow? that be nice soemtimes aswell

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<Stiq>

havent ever investigated them

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<Stiq>

but would be cool

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probably work, but i haven't checked either

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you realy want cups overhead?

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nope but it would probably work but i wouldn't want to try it

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heh

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<Stiq>

i dotn knwo much about it

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<Stiq>

jsut a though

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<Stiq>

thought

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we need hardware people to wake up

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I'm going to pass on cups and lpd. :-)

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i was looking at the pxa270 user docs and on the keyboard interface (that we probably have access to) there is support for roller bar things i.e. like the guts of a ball mouse

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wondering if the could be exposed to an external box somehow

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ok if i said i need some research money but i think i can get usb host working in the zipit howmuch would you all give me?

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and i think i can get it working as software and not requiring a hardware mod

:)

im poor =(

i'm poorer

I dont have liveingroom furniture.

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heh

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i don't have a living room

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and my bed is a box spring with a matress on top

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(actually that was because we haven't got aorund to getting a frame when we moved but i still don't have one)

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:)

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heh

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ok thi sis defintaly looking feasible, will need to order some connectors and pour over manuals but it is looking doable

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if you can make that happen.. ill umm.. name my neighbors kids after you..

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heh

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i need to hit the library at the kids university with his reader card to check out some books, and order some of th erear connectors so i can try it

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and i need to go to bed.its late for me

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afternoon marex

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<marex>

rkdavis, hello

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<jagsph__>

rkdavis is ceo of zipitwireless

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marex: anything new? still hacking on pxa3xx systems?

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jagsph__: 1. no i'm not 2. i'm not even ceo of my own bed, the cat and wife rule the roost

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<jagsph__>

its ok i got your pm. i wont tell anyone

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<marex>

rkdavis, yea ... I'm doing something for Marvell for some time now

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marex: cool

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marex: btw not that he will commit them of course but sweetlilmre ahs been sending email to aliosa27 to ask him to commit his u-boot patches already :)

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<marex>

great, I gotta run ...

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<marex>

talk to you later, sorry

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cya

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<jagsph__>

rkdavis: does anyone intend of maintaining a binary repo for the z2?

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<jagsph__>

I see that aliosa27 had one but its gone.

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jagsph__: for what?

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jagsph__: ah, you mean his debian/oe stuff

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<jagsph__>

his oe stuff.

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well noone official but people put them up and down all the time

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<jagsph__>

I saw it for his angstrom distro.

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yup oe basically /forces/ you to have one for ipkg so it only takes a few minutes to put it in the public internet

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but as people come and go these things disappear

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<jagsph__>

it would be nice to see a repo with programs compiled specifically for the Z2. a lot of things will work properly with source modification.

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jagsph__: well that is normally the responsibility of those doing distos because gpl sort of requires it :)

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<jagsph__>

rkdavis: im doing a debian modification, not a complete distro by any means.

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you are still distributing binaries :) so put those sources up :)

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<jagsph__>

debian has already provided the sources. i provided command line arguments.

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<jagsph__>

you are welcome to get them from the deb-src reops

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:) no thanks :)

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<jagsph__>

rkdavis: go grab a 2.2.29 kernel and try my image

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<jagsph__>

2.6.29

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<jagsph__>

:D

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don't have one capable of running it atm

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<jagsph__>

get your serial /jtag flash mod.

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<gbpic>

I'm using an old Aliosa build, and I'm wondering where the keymap is located... I tried editing /opt/keymap2.map but it doesn't seem to do anything...

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<gbpic>

I'm basically trying to get the % sign working so I can use printf() :D

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<jagsph__>

Debian build? I believe* the original keymap is in /etc/

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<jagsph__>

http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36

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<gbpic>

thanks

[14:34:42]

<gbpic>

I can't see any keymaps in /etc/ What file tells the systems what keymap to load?

[14:34:49]

ok i need to talk to others more knowldgable than i but i really do think usb host is doable at leasst for keyboard/mouse

[14:35:32]

<gbpic>

Couldn't you just use serial mice?

[14:36:34]

in thery use if you want to modify the hardware

[14:36:52]

i think i can get usb host in s/w only

[14:37:05]

so no opening the zipit required

[14:37:08]

<gbpic>

Isn't PS/2 stuff just serial? There were passive adapters from it to serial back in the day...

[14:37:37]

<gbpic>

Well, I guess you do need to modify it to get the serial port... But, it's not hard to do.

[14:37:50]

it's fiddily but not hard

[14:39:35]

<gbpic>

It would be neat if someone could source some of those optical trackball things so we could have a compact mouse solution for all those crazy X nuts out there. :D

[16:05:04]

what would be a good httpd for the zipit?

[16:05:37]

I see mini_httpd is used to host some random web page on one of the older zipit models

[16:07:19]

xchat is really fucking annoying.

[16:07:25]

and that's the wrong channel. sorry.

[16:08:09]

what's wrong with xchat shifuimam ?

[16:08:33]

i just don't like it very much. for some reason my server/channel list is just showing channels, not servers

[16:08:47]

are there any other windows clients out there that aren't paid or hydraIRC?

[16:11:06]

yeah, hydrairc is good but needs work...

[16:11:15]

try cygwin and a terminal client

[16:11:17]

like irssi

[16:12:43]

i don't.

[16:12:46]

i've used it and i hate it. i want a gui

[16:13:08]

well you're stuck with xchat; nothing's wrong with it

[16:13:32]

<deki>

doesn't konversation already run natively under windows? :>

[16:13:54]

Aelius: i doubt that xchat, mirc, and hyrdrairc are the ONLY IRC clients for windows. i used to use pidgin but it has no op tools

[16:14:22]

theyre the only good fully functional clients with GUI

[16:14:47]

plenty of cmd based ones...you scorn the cmd, and it scorns you :)

[16:17:48]

i don't dislike using command line tools when appropriate. an IRC client doesn't fall into that category for me.

[16:21:15]

shifuimam: http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=irc

[16:39:31]

trying to get an http server running, I'm using mini-httpd

[16:39:53]

I configured it to use eth1, but it doesnt seem to want to bind

[16:41:04]

socket: address family not supported by protocol

[16:41:11]

bind: address already in use

[18:14:33]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: about the irc client chat earlier... lostirc is very cool especially on the desktop.

[18:14:55]

is that windows?

[18:15:31]

doesnt look like it

[18:15:36]

<jagsph__>

No. But it supposedly can be compiled with cygwin X. not really a good way but... still http://lostirc.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=screenshots

[18:16:41]

hmm, compiling under cygwin is fine, but compiling with cygwin and X... I wouldnt touch that

[18:17:19]

cygwin X is very good for X forwarding over ssh (to an actual unix desktop)

[18:17:38]

but I don't trust it for anything else

[18:19:46]

<jagsph__>

Not my specialty. But ill take your word for it.

[18:22:33]

<jagsph__>

On a more humorous note, if microsoft and cygwin merged code-bases, could they call the next release Microsoft Windows X-OS and start with a version # of 10 ? Then rave about their commitment to the community?

[18:23:04]

hahaha

[18:24:07]

I don't understand OS developers; there's a freebsd stable, development, and 'bleeding edge'

[18:24:19]

MS is planning out windows 8 and 9

[18:24:37]

<jagsph__>

development and bleeding edge should be merged, debian is the same way.

[18:25:22]

yeah... I understand having a team working on current bugfixes, and another for the next release

[18:25:36]

but then to have another team (presumably) for the release after that

[18:25:38]

lol

[18:25:39]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: they have 2 development crews, one working on windows 9, the other on windows 8. Windows 8 will have minor graphical updates and load on a 2gb memory heap. Windows 9 will correct the actual issues that Windows 8 was supposed to correct, and drop the memory usage 300mb.

[18:26:07]

:)

[18:26:15]

I still like XP

[18:26:49]

functionality-wise, the only thing 7 can do that XP can't is become a virtual hotspot without an ad hoc

[18:27:07]

<jagsph__>

Dont forget it has directx 10!

[18:27:26]

oh right, but that's pretty gay

[18:27:37]

<dTal>

32 bit icons?

[18:27:40]

<jagsph__>

The real truth is Windows 2003 was the best, its designed for someone who knows what they are doing, and it isnt dumbed down.

[18:27:48]

<dTal>

that's pretty gay too, in the older sense

[18:27:50]

<jagsph__>

dTal: 64bit, for TrueColor

[18:27:58]

<dTal>

wow no shit huh

[18:28:13]

never used 2003

[18:28:16]

<jagsph__>

10,000,000 shades of pink

[18:28:19]

<dTal>

it's got a pretty kickass audio subsystem

[18:28:35]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: 2003 is very nice... nlite makes it even nicer ...

[18:28:41]

yeah

[18:28:53]

<dTal>

linux audio sucks dirty balls, and I say that as someone who has used every linux audio stack there is

[18:28:56]

<jagsph__>

I would almost recommend hitting a usenet server to get an evaluation copy of it if you have the time.

[18:29:08]

<jagsph__>

dTal: agreed. alsa is horrible

[18:29:18]

I'm stuck in my ways, sorry

[18:29:20]

<dTal>

pulseaudio is shitty too

[18:29:30]

<dTal>

even when it works, it's very un-unix

[18:29:36]

Give it a year Aelius. MS always releases a new Office that is not backwards compatible (not that you could give me 2007). Now that they have an OS that works again, in a year everyone will be releasing stuff that requires 7.

[18:29:36]

<jagsph__>

pulseaudio is an audio daemon ontop of alsa....

[18:29:47]

<dTal>

that's what's so crap about it

[18:29:47]

<Reddog^>

so write something better

[18:29:53]

<jagsph__>

dTal: OSS is the way to go.

[18:29:56]

<dTal>

I don't need to, it exists

[18:30:00]

<dTal>

jack

[18:30:11]

XP performance edition. but now i have 4GB and I have to nlite the hell out of an x64 copy...

[18:30:13]

<dTal>

OSS has no midi support, and much worse device support than alsa

[18:30:28]

<jagsph__>

dTal: do any cards have onboard midi still?

[18:30:36]

<dTal>

my audiophile 24/96 does

[18:30:37]

FiftyOneFifty: they've got the ms office 2010 beta for XP

[18:30:47]

<dTal>

which for me is what counts

[18:30:48]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: how can you use xp 64 it doesnt work with anything

[18:30:50]

FiftyOneFifty: also no one cares much about new ms products

[18:31:12]

jagsph__: correction, XP x64 doesnt work with anything.... 7x64 is actually very good

[18:31:21]

(vista x64 isnt)

[18:31:24]

<jagsph__>

dtal: weird.... ive been using software midi since the yamaha opl3* cards.

[18:31:45]

<dTal>

software midi? how does that interface with real keyboards?

[18:31:52]

<jagsph__>

FiftyOneFifty: OpenOffice> MsOffice

[18:31:58]

oh jagsph__ , misreading, you said XP

[18:31:59]

<jagsph__>

dtal: it doesnt.

[18:32:04]

<dTal>

well there you go

[18:32:07]

<dTal>

useless

[18:32:19]

<dTal>

well not useless, but useless for what midi was designed for

[18:32:24]

well, I'll be finding out how much it's improved since I tried it 5 years ago

[18:32:37]

And 7 hasn't been out for a year yet. Office XP (2002) ran on 98, '03 needed XP. If they didn't have the bad publicity with Vista, no way would 2007 have run on XP.

[18:32:39]

but I'll definately dual boot with 32

[18:32:41]

<jagsph__>

dtal: if you are an musician then you need it. i thought we were talking about something different

[18:32:45]

<dTal>

midi

[18:32:52]

<dTal>

musical instrument digital interface

[18:33:05]

<dTal>

the whole point is so you can plug keyboards in

[18:33:17]

<dTal>

annoying ringtones is just a dumb side-effect

[18:33:23]

FiftyOneFifty: a new ms office isnt going to make me suddenly want to stop using XP

[18:33:44]

hell, there's office live, google docs which will always work

[18:33:51]

and open office, and others

[18:34:01]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i have a friend who wants to use linux, hes got the creative emu card, and he doesnt want to learn new programs for writing music, and he says he wont ever switch from xp :)

[18:34:16]

<dTal>

which EMU?

[18:34:22]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: the new office is all confusing with the funky idiot proof menus

[18:34:28]

<dTal>

I have the EMU 0404 and it doesn't work with linux

[18:34:32]

<dTal>

thanbks to creative

[18:34:37]

agreed, but it's pretty

[18:34:42]

<dTal>

but XP has a sucky audio stack

[18:34:49]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i dont recall...... i think there were proprietary drivers available for it but we never got a chance to test it.

[18:34:52]

<dTal>

(for music production)

[18:34:53]

uncharacteristic of me to choose something for it's GUI

[18:35:08]

<dTal>

ASIO helps somewhat

[18:35:20]

<dTal>

but XP can't deliver the real-time performance

[18:35:20]

<jagsph__>

dtal: there was some kind of alsa firmwares available on the ubuntu media site

[18:35:34]

<dTal>

really? oh that's very interesting

[18:35:37]

<dTal>

I'll take a look

[18:35:52]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: the gui of office is horrible its not intuitive

[18:36:15]

<dTal>

I know a studio that runs off XP

[18:36:17]

I don't use it for anything other than school.. but it doesn't bother me

[18:36:20]

<jagsph__>

dtal: http://packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/alsa-firmware.html

[18:36:21]

<dTal>

they have to reinstall every 6 months

[18:36:37]

jagsph and all, the only MS software I run is the OS (XP) and on a Prescott (got to upgrade). I run Open Office and WorPerfect (can't get OO to format a legacy doc the way I want it). When I build a new system, I'm putting all the productivity software under Linux and have a Windows boot just for games.

[18:37:06]

FiftyOneFifty: way to be

[18:37:10]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: i grew up on dos and windows 3.11 and transitioned to linux. i like to get the job done not look at the pretty menus that take a powerful gpu to process

[18:37:20]

<dTal>

what are all these games that force people into windows?

[18:37:42]

<Reddog^>

the only real windows app i run is photoshop, and that's only because i'm accustomed to it

[18:37:48]

<Reddog^>

but i can run that under wine

[18:37:50]

<dTal>

I thought the "serious gamer" population was a niche, and all the older games work in wine

[18:38:01]

<jagsph__>

FiftyOneFifty: i hate that games crap, i got to the point where if it doesnt run on linux i will not support it. game developers need to take a hint.

[18:38:07]

jagsph__: I also grew up on win 3.1, I also dislike pretty GUIs, and prefer efficiency, I did say it was uncharacteristic of me to enjoy a shiny GUI

[18:38:31]

<jagsph__>

Reddog^ photoshop is great, the gimp is almost the same.... with less filters

[18:38:53]

I'm migrating towards unix only now; as a return to DOS

[18:38:55]

<Reddog^>

yeah, i just could never get my groove on with gimp

[18:39:06]

<Reddog^>

used to the tool layout in photoshop

[18:39:07]

<dTal>

gimp has a terrible interface, that's why

[18:39:08]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: yeh im just sharing my opinion.... i run lxde on my desktop heh

[18:39:18]

<dTal>

someone needs to fork that shit into a conventinal layout

[18:39:29]

<Reddog^>

indeed

[18:39:30]

<jagsph__>

dtal: agreed on the gimp. the interface is weird

[18:39:33]

I actually set up my computer to run DOS, complete with internet drivers :)... that took a while.

[18:39:46]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: now u need to get freedos and opengm

[18:39:49]

<jagsph__>

opengem*

[18:39:50]

<dTal>

Aelius: oh my god whyyyy

[18:39:52]

<Reddog^>

and they just patched a 17yo DOS bug!

[18:40:32]

<jagsph__>

dtal: did you see the alsa-firmware link? i read on a forum that his card was supported

[18:40:39]

<dTal>

yeah I clicked

[18:40:48]

in searching for CLI versions of programs I use day to day, I kept seeing unix come up... and this is how I discovered *nix

[18:40:57]

<jagsph__>

i would test it if i could get one of those cards, they are expensive....

[18:41:17]

I knew about linux, but I thought it was just full of gay GUI crap

[18:41:21]

<dTal>

the EMU 0404 is a fine card, but no linux kills it for me

[18:41:31]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: my discovery was because i was playing quake and everytime i would win someone would type status, get my ip and winnuke/land/teardrop me heh

[18:41:38]

<dTal>

Audiophile 2496 is the best soundcard I have ever used on any machine

[18:41:58]

lol

[18:42:12]

<jagsph__>

dtal: is that card good with alsa? the only one good with alsa ive used is an sb live. so far*

[18:42:22]

<dTal>

jagsph__: very

[18:42:41]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: I installed it for revenge, and then i learned i could use it as an ipmasq router so i just ran tcpdump and watched everytime

[18:42:53]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: then nestea came out and i had to learn how to compile a kernel

[18:43:02]

<dTal>

the only flaw is that is has seperate "left" and "right" channels, so mixer applets and such that expect a single master volume don't work well

[18:43:26]

<jagsph__>

dtal: thats workable as long as it doesnt have the delay, clicks, and pops

[18:43:27]

<dTal>

sb live is a great starter card

[18:43:38]

<dTal>

classic

[18:43:49]

<dTal>

no delay, clicks, or pops

[18:44:37]

jagsph: I admit it, I'm a game whore. I want a new system to run Far Cry 2, GTA IV (doesn't run well on any platform), etc. I'd love to run the new Trek, but I've got too much lag for MMO's. RMS can sit in an EMACS window all day, he'll never see open source Mass Effect.

[18:44:42]

<jagsph__>

dtal: thats what i have to fight with on most of these systems with alsa

[18:44:52]

<dTal>

there's a special volume control application for it, but I find it kind of eats cpu, probably because it has one of those volume meters

[18:44:59]

<dTal>

I always use alsamixer

[18:45:06]

<dTal>

actually I always use alsamixer anyway

[18:45:50]

<jagsph__>

FiftyOneFifty: I used to be, i dont care for much more than openarena now...and far cry 2 does run. I have played it under wine on 64bit linux..... GTA IV was almost running, just the .net was stopping it.

[18:46:03]

<dTal>

but put a semi-decent pair of speakers on it and it will knock your socks off

[18:46:08]

<dTal>

very nice ALSA drivers

[18:46:25]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i try to stay away from sound servers ... jack esound pulse-audio, they cause the delays imo

[18:46:40]

<dTal>

jack is perfectly fine for what it does

[18:46:56]

<dTal>

you do have to spend some time configuring it, but it's worth it

[18:47:13]

<dTal>

but you don't run it as a desktop sound server

[18:47:22]

<dTal>

pulse-audio, on the other hand... ew.

[18:47:25]

<jagsph__>

when i get the phenom 2 i ordered ill try something different

[18:47:46]

jagsph: Runs, but with the same performance under WINE as in native Windows? If so, I could recosider. Anyway, like many of us, I have to support Windows and Mac users and have to know my way around those systems.

[18:48:03]

<jagsph__>

if i install ubuntu.... apt-get -y remove totem and set everything to oss/alsa

[18:48:34]

<dTal>

nearly everything I've tried actually runs faster under linux and wine, if it runs at all.

[18:48:59]

<jagsph__>

FiftyOneFifty: i was getting the same performance except the initial load time, it seemed like wine was doing a little more work.

[18:49:26]

<jagsph__>

FiftyOneFifty: try it out, farcry 1 and crysis also work

[18:49:37]

<jagsph__>

FiftyoneFifty: google playonlinux

[18:49:46]

<jagsph__>

dtal: agreed.

[18:50:02]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i get better openarena performance on linux than windows... go figure

[18:50:17]

<dTal>

actually, if the game is cpu-limited it runs faster, if it's gpu-limited and you're running a desktop (especially composited) you'll take a hit

[18:50:35]

<dTal>

but if that's a problem I switch to twm

[18:50:52]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i leave composite off... its not worth it.. lxde does a great job with openbox.... and the nvidia drivers are very good on linux

[18:50:53]

<dTal>

unless I'm on my own machine, which runs twm by default :)

[18:50:53]

jagsph__: yeah I'm getting around to learning about kernel compiling

[18:50:56]

Not to fork the conversation in yet another direction, is there anything for us in this FireFox for Maemo? Would there be code from an IceWeasel version that could be re-compiled?

[18:51:50]

<dTal>

jagsph__: I would like to see a day where everything is composited... when i first learned that this was not how desktops normally worked, I was horrified

[18:51:59]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: its easier on freebsd/netbsd to compile a kernel now... heh... but its really just as simple as make menuconfig; make bzImage ; make modules ; make modules_install ; make install...

[18:52:01]

<dTal>

all this redraw stuff is icky

[18:52:37]

hmm, I hate

[18:52:39]

<jagsph__>

dtal: that takes a serious hardware hit to composite everything.

[18:53:07]

OS develpments... they make everything easier, so the user is estranged from the actual workings of the computer

[18:53:14]

<jagsph__>

dtal: then again i have a sempron 3100... basically 1.8ghz 64bit cpu

[18:53:23]

and it's harder and harder to actually backtrack and learn

[18:53:36]

<dTal>

I was all like, "wait, so if some OTHER impudent irresponsible program goes overwriting the part the screen that _I_ had claimed, and was doing MY stuff on, it's still MY responsibility to make sure the screen redraws when it moves away?? LAME"

[18:53:38]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: agreed.

[18:53:55]

<dTal>

jagsph__: you should only see a little more memory use by the window manager

[18:53:59]

<jagsph__>

dtal: Windows 2000 ? HAHA

[18:54:09]

<dTal>

and XP

[18:54:22]

<jagsph__>

dtal: it hurts my performance on games a lot

[18:54:45]

<dTal>

also, that memory use should be compensated for by the fact that the programs no longer need to maintain their own buffer

[18:54:56]

<dTal>

jagsph__: were you using 3d compositing?

[18:55:03]

<jagsph__>

i would much rather leave it off.... i was happy when i saw xfce, i was happier when i saw lxde... it just does what i want in a usable fashion

[18:55:05]

<dTal>

or hardware accelerated in general?

[18:55:32]

<jagsph__>

dtal: clarify... because i used it on ubuntu with the nvidia drivers enabled... so i had hardware accel

[18:55:50]

hahahha

[18:56:12]

<dTal>

what compositor?

[18:56:12]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i dont have a very powerful system.

[18:56:13]

the beauty of *nix: living without drivers

[18:56:16]

<dTal>

compiz?

[18:56:34]

<jagsph__>

i think it was compiz ... as i recall that was the name. i didnt care for it much to research it more

[18:56:59]

<dTal>

well yeah that'll hurt you then

[18:57:10]

<dTal>

but don't blame compositing in general

[18:57:20]

<dTal>

it's a better way of doing things

[18:57:27]

<dTal>

and more unix-y

[18:57:29]

<jagsph__>

its like seeing some fat girl walk down the street, u dont care for it u dont care to look at it.

[18:57:43]

<dTal>

the os is supposed to take care of hardware multiplexing

[18:57:58]

on #freebsd, " 'why do you hate windows?' - 'because it's evil' - 'but it has... drivers' - 'must... resist.. the dark side!' "

[18:58:00]

<jagsph__>

dtal: im sure ill like it when i get the hardware upgrades. im keeping my agp card though

[18:58:06]

<dTal>

the programs shouldn't sort it out amongst themselves

[18:58:33]

<jagsph__>

i have the 7800GS-OC nvidia agp card.... supposedly the fastest one made.

[18:58:51]

7800GT here (sli)

[18:59:08]

well, not sli anymore... no drivers :)

[18:59:54]

<jagsph__>

thats no good

[19:00:16]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: have you tried lxde?

[19:00:42]

no

[19:00:53]

havent done much with WMs... just wmii

[19:01:11]

tried xfce, but it was too fat for my tastes

[19:01:35]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: i like it because you get the gnome functionality... ie = win95 style desktop... with the speed of running fluxbox

[19:01:48]

someone on this channel mentioned Ion3

[19:02:15]

<jagsph__>

that is light.

[19:02:33]

<jagsph__>

i need my gf to be able to use the computer though haha

[19:02:40]

haha

[19:02:56]

lxde looks like something I should install just to have around tho, for when I'm not all terminals

[19:03:32]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: its got great performance. slitaz uses it and boots to graphical using 24mb of ram

[19:03:55]

<jagsph__>

I do it on debian/ubuntu and use 60-80 depending on whats happening in the background

[19:04:17]

<jagsph__>

gnome hits over 160-300 on default install.....

[19:05:10]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: or you could use matchbox and rox like on the Z2

[19:05:13]

<jagsph__>

:D

[19:05:49]

lol

[19:05:56]

I like wmii

[19:06:20]

but for those times when I feel like having overlapping windows

[19:06:26]

(XD)

[19:06:33]

lxde looks nice

[19:07:21]

I do not like fluxbox though... that bar is just so annoying

[19:07:23]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: its better than xfce for sure. wmii is like uber-hacker desktop

[19:07:31]

<jagsph__>

confuse the hell out of my gf if she saw it.....

[19:07:55]

heh, when I first installed it I was very confused

[19:07:56]

<jagsph__>

"how do i open firefox" "i cant play a dvd"

[19:08:02]

no right click!

[19:08:09]

on desktop at least

[19:08:44]

<jagsph__>

oh i got so mad at her..... she said the dvd wont play

[19:08:57]

<jagsph__>

i said open up the media player and click opendvd

[19:09:11]

<jagsph__>

i was sleeping and she woke me up for that

[19:09:23]

lol

[19:10:38]

<jagsph__>

i had to install vlc for her too, gnome-mplayer was acting a little funny

[19:11:53]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: i dont have a computer here that runs windows

[19:12:07]

heh

[19:12:13]

<jagsph__>

and the only copy i still outright own is 95 osr2

[19:12:28]

I owned home edition, XP

[19:12:39]

but then they said I used my serial too many times

[19:12:48]

..... so I like to format a lot

[19:13:00]

well that was the last time I gave them money

[19:13:35]

<jagsph__>

its easy enough to download xp, why would they harass their own paying customers.

[19:13:36]

my windows 3.1 copy is stil valid where XP isnt

[19:14:04]

It's still valid you just gotta spend 2 minutes on the phone re-registering it

[19:14:37]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: i sold my win 3.11 copy to some collector on ebay along with the rest of my old software

[19:14:44]

as for vlc, it's nice, but.... its not very high quality. I'd take winamp and a good set of codecs over vlc any day

[19:14:53]

i have all the floppies still

[19:15:20]

<jagsph__>

I do have it copied to cd still......

[19:15:31]

that is a good idea

[19:15:46]

my new computer psu didnt have floppy power, so I made my own

[19:15:50]

<jagsph__>

I had to use dd to read the disks, they were going bad anyway

[19:16:10]

<jagsph__>

5 years floppy wont be an option

[19:17:04]

<jagsph__>

Ive hacked together a lot of cables before... I even did a cdrom cable.... i found out the hard way you have to disable fast pio/dma modes

[19:17:17]

<jagsph__>

when i said cdrom cable, i mean IDE

[19:17:34]

<dTal>

Aelius: it's their own damn fault if the thing needs reinstalling every 6 months

[19:17:53]

<jagsph__>

dtal: its their plan, you know they will say we no longer support xp, you cant install it

[19:18:19]

<jagsph__>

"well we know u paid $300 for it but we dont support it so we cant activate u"

[19:18:22]

<dTal>

never mind you paid for it, right?

[19:18:25]

<dTal>

zacly

[19:18:54]

<jagsph__>

dtal: we both know that at most 10% of the people in the channel did not pay for xp

[19:19:02]

<jagsph__>

at least...

[19:19:03]

<jagsph__>

*

[19:19:07]

<dTal>

all to the good, the sooner people get sick of microsoft the better

[19:19:33]

<dTal>

I have never pirated XP and cannot condone it

[19:19:50]

<dTal>

if you're gonna steal something, at least steal something good

[19:20:08]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i was sick of them when they released 98, even sicker when they released me, i switched to nt4, they released 2000, i liked it, then i had compatability issues, i switched to xp... i was really getting fed up... then vista came out... they lost me as a customer at that time.

[19:20:24]

<jagsph__>

dtal: LOL@ "if you're gonna steal something, at least steal something good" referring to windows

[19:20:45]

<jagsph__>

i cant condone paying for it, and stealing it is wrong, shall i pass out copys of ubuntu?

[19:20:58]

<jagsph__>

haha that was an awesome comment dtal

[19:21:10]

<dTal>

why thank you

[19:21:54]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i have been fixing peoples computers who are having windows problems, i suggest that they use linux, i show them a demo, and 8 out of 10 times they stick to it.

[19:22:27]

<jagsph__>

even though ubuntu has its downfalls it has less than windows. the people who need it need proprietary software and hardware

[19:22:30]

<dTal>

the vast majority of people would be better off with it

[19:23:13]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i agree, but then i wouldnt have to remove malware.... i recommend to them linux my selling point is they wont get malware no matter how much porn they look at.... and then when i set it up i install adblockers

[19:23:33]

<dTal>

it's true

[19:23:48]

<jagsph__>

"what about office" openoffice... they are satisfied.

[19:23:53]

lol

[19:24:11]

dTal: I know it's ms fault that I need to keep formatting

[19:24:19]

<dTal>

the thing I like about linux is it's well-behaved enough that when it goes wrong underneath, you can tell

[19:24:43]

<dTal>

whereas windows sits there quietly thrashing

[19:24:44]

<jagsph__>

dtal: its changed a lot kernel panics usually wont take the system down.

[19:25:07]

<dTal>

I once got hacked on my linux machine

[19:25:19]

<jagsph__>

im not sure if its the same thing as a kernel panic anymore but i see crashdumps of drivers sometimes in dmesg but it continues to function

[19:25:19]

<dTal>

or, I should say, almost got hacked

[19:25:57]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i got hacked once, i was on an unsecure irc server and use the same password for my nick as my login =\

[19:25:57]

<dTal>

it was all my fault; I had a user named "test", password the same, sshd running, and an open firewall

[19:26:22]

<jagsph__>

dtal: oops! heh

[19:26:38]

<dTal>

I even had ipban running so they guessed it in 6 tries or less

[19:26:39]

<jagsph__>

dtal: sshd is over-rated. if you are not on an unsecure network its not necessary ...

[19:26:47]

<dTal>

the internet is insecure

[19:27:09]

<dTal>

but anyway, they started running a password cracker

[19:27:13]

<jagsph__>

to be able to sniff over the internet you generally need to have access to a router that your traffic passes through, and be very malicious

[19:27:24]

<jagsph__>

or on the same c-class

[19:27:31]

<jagsph__>

subnet at least....

[19:27:32]

<dTal>

and because i was on the machine at the time, I noticed all the extra disk activity

[19:27:54]

heh, on windows

[19:27:56]

<dTal>

and I knew there shouldn't be that disk activity (note that on windows one could have no such certainty)

[19:28:09]

extra disk activity is windows trying to be good

[19:28:21]

<dTal>

so I checked, noticed the cracker and the user, and promptly kicked them off

[19:28:22]

but failing

[19:28:22]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i believe it... people are running scans all over the world if you run an ftpd and telnetd and sshd and httpd just log everything look at the attempts for failed logins

[19:28:28]

<dTal>

learning an important lesson

[19:28:55]

<dTal>

jagsph__: oh yeah I get tens or even hundreds of failed logins a day

[19:29:27]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i used to watch all the time, i was a little sh*thead. i would scan them right back and then if they noticed and retaliated .... trinoo... stream.c

[19:29:46]

<jagsph__>

dtal: i know thats when it started to get ridiculous and i said forget it.

[19:30:06]

<dTal>

thing is they may themselves have been hacked

[19:30:18]

<dTal>

and are hacking you because they are under remote control

[19:30:29]

<jagsph__>

dtal: thats why i would scan right back...

[19:30:50]

<jagsph__>

and then visit cert, and packetstorm security.... hack.co.za look for stupid exploits.

[19:31:03]

<dTal>

most of em come from china

[19:31:16]

<dTal>

entry vattempts that is

[19:31:19]

dTal: yeah, it would be an idiot that starts an attack directly from his computer

[19:31:41]

<jagsph__>

dtal: heh...... of course cause they wont do anything to them

[19:32:35]

<jagsph__>

dtal: do u know what stream.c does from 50 or so rooted servers all over the internet...

[19:32:52]

<dTal>

no

[19:33:08]

<dTal>

ddos I expect?

[19:33:33]

<jagsph__>

yes. saturate the connection 4 hops back.

[19:34:12]

<jagsph__>

IRC wars on efnet....

[19:35:43]

<jagsph__>

those ridiculous wars over the internet causing collateral damage to everyone in the middle.

[19:38:23]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: did you see the new rootfs sshot?

[19:38:50]

nope. not yet.

[19:38:52]

I log into icq for the first time in 6 years, and some russian guy is asking to be my friend

[19:38:58]

<jagsph__>

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/

[19:39:26]

<jagsph__>

i added the the menu...

[19:39:37]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: low icq uins go for money or something

[19:39:48]

jagsph__, neato

[19:39:50]

while you all are here, I had issues setting up mini-httpd

[19:40:11]

I really love how I can just ssh to it.. i dont need to go get it :)

[19:40:12]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: thats what you kept saying it needed right? ;)

[19:40:42]

yep :)

[19:40:47]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: if it still exists, thttpd is the best lightweight httpd in existence

[19:41:04]

for me anyway. im sure others like it as well

[19:41:22]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: i set up lxpanel and it worked well .... so its staying

[19:41:22]

jagsph__: yes, I saw that. the best you say? lol, I'll look into it

[19:41:33]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: the best...! bottom line...

[19:41:50]

jagsph__: strange, it's by the same people. acme has like, 6 different httpds

[19:41:57]

bah, just install apache :)

[19:42:05]

on zipit/

[19:42:06]

<jagsph__>

multi-threaded, you cannot DoS it...... it has perl, it supposedly has php support available

[19:42:07]

?

[19:42:35]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: thttpd doesnt fork() for each connection like apache....

[19:42:35]

well I'm just looking to serve an HTML... tho it would be nice if I could hook an hdd up to it

[19:42:57]

sure. apache runs just fine. just limit the amount of connections it can handle at one time

[19:43:08]

jagsph__: I thought forking was a thing of the past, baed on what I learned about forking last night

[19:43:29]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: thttpd can handle as many sockets as the kernel allows on one process

[19:43:37]

heh, convienent that I learn it, and straight away begin to use it

[19:43:38]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: apache forks every so many connections

[19:43:48]

<jagsph__>

you can specify it in the config.

[19:43:58]

ah

[19:44:07]

brb, zipit isnt responding to ssh :(

[19:44:14]

jagsph__, i'd be more worried about ram, so i limited connections to 5

[19:44:50]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: i used to run thttpd on 16mb of ram on a linux box that was serving about 50 hosted web pages. believe it or not...

[19:44:59]

<jagsph__>

it also supports vhost.

[19:45:20]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: yeh, but apache is too big for this little device... its already swapping enough

[19:45:33]

<jagsph__>

"Configuration: Athlon 700, 800MB RAM. Before: Apache, load=170, machine unusable, capped at 4Mbits, SWAPPING. After: thttpd, load=.09 (yes, that's point-zero-nine), happy at 8Mbits, only using ~300MB of RAM."

[19:45:34]

<jagsph__>

-- Jon Oringer

[19:47:07]

<jagsph__>

"I just wanted to let you know that I installed thttpd and it works really great. The server is a P3/500 w/512 megs running FreeBSD 3.3 and when it was using apache it was at about 11 load average and kept throwing connections and errors. Now it runs dandy with thttpd and the load average is between 0.1 and 0.2. The thttpd process is at about 200 megs size and the system is usually 60% idle. The machine serves about 400 simultaneous connection

[19:47:07]

<jagsph__>

s (more on peak hours)." -- Petru Paler

[19:47:19]

<jagsph__>

those arent fake testimonials

[19:48:43]

nice.

[19:49:26]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: i was talking earlier about DoS wars. my server was under attack by a malicious hacker named xhostile.... he was very disgruntled and stopped at nothing trying to DoS me with every tactic he had... thttpd did not drag the system down like apache did.

[19:49:53]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: also xinetd does really well under heavy load...

[19:50:05]

apache is too big though. its been running on my j728 for years (206mhz with 64mb ram)

[19:50:09]

is/isnt

[19:50:34]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: it will serve it ok unless you put a load on it

[19:50:40]

to each their own i guess. ive gotten use to apache over the last 10 years or so

[19:50:56]

<jagsph__>

i like apache, but if you dont need all its features .....

[19:51:41]

true. simple /index and html pages dont require it

[19:51:53]

<jagsph__>

just be happy no one has tried launching a denial of service attack against your j728 :)

[19:52:05]

heh

[19:53:34]

so what changed in pre2? i installed the one previous to it

[19:54:07]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: graphical updates, removed offending rom images.... fixed some power-management bugs

[19:54:18]

<jagsph__>

nothing u cant live without...

[19:54:29]

<jagsph__>

i changed the way you interact with the desktop...

[19:54:42]

k

[19:54:43]

<jagsph__>

hotkeys are a requirement of usage..

[19:54:49]

<jagsph__>

just faster to navigate

[19:55:17]

i redid the hotkeys anyway.. heh

[19:55:19]

<jagsph__>

its more of a "hotfix" than anything....

[19:55:49]

<jagsph__>

coined that from microsoft

[19:56:07]

other than quake segfaulting, all else works pretty nice. :)

[19:56:24]

back

[19:56:39]

<jagsph__>

quakes working pretty well on mine

[19:57:01]

it doesnt start on mine... starts loading then segfaults

[19:57:02]

btw jagsph__ I showed some of my friends your userland on the zipit, and they are both probably getting it

[19:57:05]

heh

[19:57:10]

<jagsph__>

<jagsph__> Aelius: i used to run thttpd on 16mb of ram on a linux box that was serving about 50 hosted web pages. believe it or not...

[19:57:19]

never makes it to the gui

[19:57:25]

<jagsph__>

cool its getting a lot better....

[19:57:33]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: quake?

[19:57:37]

yea

[19:57:47]

yeah I"ll be installing thttpd now

[19:57:51]

<jagsph__>

weird......

[19:58:10]

maybe i need more swap

[19:58:10]

wickmips: have you restarted the zipit since your first install?

[19:58:12]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: i built it on oe

[19:58:15]

only have 42mb

[19:58:21]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: yeh its definately a good server

[19:58:26]

Aelius, yep

[19:59:07]

also.... this release has given me a few random issues at random boots. fixed with another reboot

[19:59:11]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: quake only uses 8mb

[19:59:31]

jagsph__: the keyboard leds seem to go on and off at their own will with every restart

[19:59:48]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: yeh there are a lot of problems with the power-management.sh script i wrote

[20:00:02]

<jagsph__>

i did a rewrite of it in the last one

[20:00:13]

<jagsph__>

and moved some of the features to a file called lid.sh

[20:00:31]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: insert headphones watch your display turn off

[20:00:40]

heh

[20:01:03]

not too concerned with the headphones just yet

[20:02:23]

apt-get remove is very inefficient

[20:02:31]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: dpkg -r

[20:02:40]

that makes more sense

[20:03:55]

<jagsph__>

dpkg -l | less

[20:03:57]

<jagsph__>

lists all packages

[20:04:07]

k thanks

[20:04:33]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: http://zipit.pastebin.com/f40cec764 those are the features of the event1 device... u can write a command for headphones, power button, and lid

[20:05:30]

<jagsph__>

You could make the device load and unload sound modules if you wanted for the sound. mcavity says it saves poer

[20:05:33]

<jagsph__>

power*

[20:05:47]

it would save power if we could unload wifi, I'll reccon

[20:05:50]

reckon*

[20:06:38]

I think I would rather map the power button to keyboard lights and screen brightness, with ctrl power for the shutdown script

[20:06:39]

<jagsph__>

Well... you can... i dont know how much it will save since wifi does do anything unless its active...just ifconfig eth1 down should be enough

[20:07:14]

well, physically removing the power saves a lot of batteries

[20:07:28]

one of the reasons many laptops come with wifi switches

[20:07:29]

<jagsph__>

i think u can unload the modules

[20:08:06]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: you can bind the power button to whatever you want, its being picked up through the event1 device its not a keyboard mapping

[20:08:53]

#POWER BUTTON COMMAND

[20:08:53]

PWRB1="/home/user/.bin/shutdown-script"

[20:08:55]

<jagsph__>

What im trying to say is if u bind ctrl+power the script will still do what the power button is set to do in the script

[20:09:03]

<jagsph__>

err that didnt make sense

[20:09:19]

oh, I get it

[20:09:22]

<jagsph__>

whatever u have it run, when u do a keybinding to ctrl+power............ it still sees the power button was pressed

[20:09:42]

<jagsph__>

its reading a hex code from /dev/input/event1 and determining the state of that button based on the printout of the hex code

[20:09:49]

hmm, then perhaps just make the powerbutton alter a variable

[20:10:09]

and a running script would see that the variable changed within x seconds of ctrl being pressed

[20:10:39]

<jagsph__>

thats getting complicated

[20:10:44]

hehe

[20:11:08]

that's the way I think; overly complicated. what I actually get done, now that's another matter...

[20:11:28]

<jagsph__>

i tried to over complicate it and i broke the script last time

[20:11:42]

this scripting language doesnt look too hard, and I dont think this would be too hard to implement

[20:11:49]

If I can get it working I'll let you know

[20:12:00]

jagsph__, would it be possible to map the volume buttons on the side to brightness up/down? thatd be sweet.

[20:12:14]

<jagsph__>

its very simple, just if u run non blocking loops u get cpu overhead

[20:12:31]

<jagsph__>

wickmips: they are actually bound to keys i think its pageup and page down

[20:12:48]

ahh

[20:13:25]

jagsph__: yeah, I forgot about that... generally when I write programs, I try to avoid loops as much as I can

[20:13:32]

to a fault

[20:13:48]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: the power-management.sh runs a loop on a 30 second timer to shutdown the system on low power

[20:14:08]

but even so, the interpreter probably translates certain commands into loops

[20:14:18]

<jagsph__>

the lid script is blocking it waits for input dd catches it, once it does it goes through its loop

[20:14:37]

hmm

[20:15:24]

<jagsph__>

EVENT1=`dd if=/dev/input/event1 bs=16 count=1 2>/dev/null | od -x | grep -v 0000020`

[20:15:32]

(sweet; thttpd works out of the box)

[20:16:08]

<jagsph__>

Aelius: it also supports .htpasswd

[20:16:16]

nice

[20:16:19]

<jagsph__>

I find that feature very useful

[20:16:19]

brb, again

[20:23:28]

and back again

[20:24:45]

anyone else having issues with their wifi turning off on it's own even when in use?

[20:30:25]

How much for the woman in your Userland?

[20:30:49]

heh

[20:31:03]

yeah that's an awesome background

[20:31:30]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09 if u can find her u can have her

[20:31:37]

Your woman, give her to me

[20:31:50]

<jagsph__>

thats not mine, mines looks like a troll doll, remember ?

[20:31:59]

Denied

[20:32:16]

Looks like a Troll Pencil Topper

[20:32:27]

With Spinny Twirlie Hair

[20:32:54]

eh thats not so bad

[20:33:15]

Now back to the woman negotiations

[20:33:25]

Zipit for the woman

[20:33:31]

<jagsph__>

i know this is a bad idea....... http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/53/l_f8800eb3e0224d69a5045de6a848ab69.jpg

[20:33:53]

I like the hat the ugly chick is wearing

[20:34:06]

<jagsph__>

haha

[20:34:09]

lol

[20:34:20]

<jagsph__>

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_ffa9e8e1cdd84b2da856b3e2879d48fa.jpg u still want it?

[20:34:46]

I want the Userland background woman

[20:34:55]

<jagsph__>

shes at goddesspost.com

[20:35:04]

Yours looks to young for me

[20:35:32]

<jagsph__>

haha. well i wont tell u how old she is but im 25. can u tell?

[20:35:38]

That'd be like rkdavis and Hillary

[20:36:16]

<jagsph__>

Hillary? thats wickmips stage name?

[20:36:37]

sure it's not RuPaul?

[20:36:49]

<jagsph__>

wesley snipes

[20:36:59]

Too Wan Fu

[20:37:10]

<jagsph__>

wickmips picture: http://thezaz.nationallampoon.com/files/2009/08/77-wesley-snipes-mustache.jpg

[20:37:34]

got chesticles in his armpit

[20:37:53]

<jagsph__>

lol

[20:38:13]

or chegina

[20:38:37]

<jagsph__>

this is rkdavis: http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/bob-moog-pwned.jpg

[20:39:21]

not gonna talk smack about rkdavis until after we get USB on this thing

[20:39:27]

<jagsph__>

rkdavis's bedroom http://adterrasperaspera.com/images/sysadmin.jpg

[20:40:18]

not seeing a problem with that

[20:40:24]

<jagsph__>

neither am i.

[20:40:43]

<jagsph__>

ok ok... i told rkdavis i wouldnt do this...

[20:40:51]

I love Ubuntu http://blog.levhita.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu-logo.jpg

[20:41:04]

<jagsph__>

but i ran into him at defcon.... and he had a hotel room...

[20:41:09]

<jagsph__>

well... things got a little hairy

[20:41:11]

<jagsph__>

http://media.photobucket.com/image/fat%20hairy%20naked%20guy%20at%20computer/Lula3D/hairy_fat_guy.jpg

[20:41:33]

<jagsph__>

this is he real pic, i startled him

[20:42:10]

yikes

[20:42:20]

<jagsph__>

hes working on his bitbake box

[20:42:30]

Whenever I show this ubuntu to customers they usually stay with it too http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/e/e5/Ubuntu-girls-03.jpg

[20:42:55]

<jagsph__>

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3462/evenbetterbymfayaz.png how about that ubuntu image?

[20:42:57]

Got your Heron Hardy too?

[20:43:50]

<jagsph__>

shes ready for you to jaunt your jackalope in her

[20:44:38]

Question is in the first pic, if one of them farted would you really care to much

[20:45:07]

<jagsph__>

it depends. am i high or drunk?

[20:45:27]

<jagsph__>

i was going to use this as an image on the z2 but it needs to be family oriented http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3408/debianwallpapergirl5.jpg

[20:45:38]

I can't see how either would have much bearing on the question

[20:45:52]

<jagsph__>

girls make some of the nastiest smells around.

[20:46:13]

yeah but do you have to breathe 100% of the time?

[20:46:38]

<jagsph__>

and those girls look fished up

[20:47:14]

in the first pic? You're not gonna get all George Clooney High Chair and say you'd pass are you

[20:47:18]

<jagsph__>

rkdavis would like to point out that they look like the could be a bunch of huge penis heads touching

[20:47:29]

<jagsph__>

i would do the black one

[20:48:42]

Personally I think we need to improve relations with all the Races

[20:49:13]

<jagsph__>

Agree. You work on the sexual relations.

[20:49:42]

<jagsph__>

I think we would all be better off if people didnt speak ebonics and act like they are something they arent. It really is a turn off.

[20:49:48]

Married. Lost my right to delegation long ago

[20:49:50]

<jagsph__>

I guess you could call it acting "hard"

[20:50:21]

<jagsph__>

your wife? http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pics/hostpics/77107564-e981-47c5-913b-fae45bbfc3afqt_set03_49.jpg

[20:50:45]

whose acting hard now

[20:50:53]

<jagsph__>

well after seeing that not me

[20:51:14]

You just got these pic links sitting in your favorites don't yeah

[20:51:26]

<jagsph__>

http://www.mglclub.com/files/attach/images/366472/249/916/001/bbw-ginger-black-dress_fabdc5a3.jpg

[20:51:29]

<jagsph__>

google images for bbw

[20:51:30]

I'll put that one in the spankbank folder

[20:51:58]

<jagsph__>

i dont see where beautiful comes in with the phrase bbw

[20:51:59]

gothamunkapuss

[20:53:09]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: if a fat woman is showing off muffin tops and wearing spandex all over, would u say that is indecent exposure?

[20:53:23]

That's where I have to branch off from yeah. I'm not really that much into the looks only field. I have met a few women in my life who where not Barbie's with awesome personalities who I woul dhave gladly dated

[20:53:43]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: u need some physical attraction

[20:53:48]

<jagsph__>

otherwise it is pointless

[20:54:03]

if your only simulated by looks then yeah I guess

[20:54:33]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: i dont know what your views are, but i would be embarassed to be seen holding hands with one of those women

[20:54:36]

But I would rather have a woman with an imperfect physique who can hold her own in an conversation and acts like a lady instead of trashy

[20:54:59]

<jagsph__>

that doesnt mean go for ones that weigh in at 400lbs

[20:55:18]

Yeah but is doesn't mean that I would rule them out simply because of that

[20:55:25]

<jagsph__>

I like to live an active lifestyle, that would ruin it

[20:55:46]

<jagsph__>

I would rule them out, they dont fit my lifestyle. i could be friends, but not intimate

[20:55:49]

Might just be the motivation she needs to get active

[20:56:03]

<jagsph__>

theres no hope for them.

[20:56:24]

Naw come on, you're just being hateful. They are people too, no one is perfect

[20:56:29]

<jagsph__>

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/8/8/633852907139002385-bbw.jpg this is as big as it gets for me

[20:56:56]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: its genetics, there is nothing they can do about it 90% of the time, u are wrong

No I'm not

It's rarely genetics

It's there diet

Man today eats entirely differently than we did a couple of hundred years ago

[20:58:38]

we weren't meant to consume what we do today that's why obesity is on the rise

[20:59:04]

<jagsph__>

or an invasive thyroid disorder

[20:59:04]

<jagsph__>

I said i would be there friend, not date them. Its like a straight guy trying to go gay. If you arent attracted to it, u wont do it.

[20:59:04]

<jagsph__>

bottom line. i need physical attraction as well as attraction to the personality.

[20:59:05]

<jagsph__>

so dont turn this into hatefulness.

[20:59:21]

<jagsph__>

there are PLENTY of women who would say the same about you or myself.

[20:59:34]

<jagsph__>

"i love you, but im not in love with you"

[20:59:37]

Yeah and there is pleanty of Hatefulness in the worls

[21:00:03]

<jagsph__>

you cant correct 20 years of mcdonalds without lypo-suction

[21:00:31]

Don't think we are going to come anywhere near agreeing with each other on this

[21:00:49]

<jagsph__>

ok how about this, are humans designed to eat meat?

[21:00:57]

If the first thing you see when you look at someone is wether you would hit it or not then that's just being shallow period

[21:01:10]

<jagsph__>

we dont have the teeth for it.... we cant digest it properly....

[21:01:19]

ogmious09: I'd like to be able to hold the one I love...

[21:01:30]

jagsph, GOOD FOR YOU

[21:01:45]

Does that mean your viewpoint it the line to be measured by

[21:02:14]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09 no one is judging u for liking bbw

[21:02:27]

<jagsph__>

they are good pillows and can keep u warm at night

[21:02:46]

<jagsph__>

nobody will know when they are pregnant.....

[21:02:51]

When I was your age, I dated a girl who was trying out for playboy and she did make it a few years after we dated but she was the shallowest self centered spiritually dead person I ever wasted tme on

[21:03:15]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: i would not waste my time on shallow girls. im not attracted to obese women

[21:03:32]

<jagsph__>

i would rather masturbate looking at people magazine

[21:04:00]

Now my last girlfriend she was not a BBW but she was not Barbie doll but when I had surgery I could not get her to leave my side or even leave long enough to go and get herself something to eat. When it comes down to it, that is the kind of person I want by my side

[21:04:21]

<jagsph__>

now, if i was married and my wife got fat, i would stay with her if things were going well...... because i "LOVE" her.

[21:04:33]

Regardless of what they look like because No one said YOU or I were George Clooney brother

[21:04:54]

<jagsph__>

dude i look like a rat.... i know i cant get jessica alba

[21:05:27]

And if your eyes wont let you get beyond that simple act of love and companionship from a TRUE soul mate then brother You're the one missing out not the Fat chick

[21:05:28]

<jagsph__>

bottom line, there needs to be physical attraction to have a relationship. if you are physically unattracted then why try

[21:05:46]

Because a relationship is more than what you would stick your dick in

[21:05:58]

<jagsph__>

yeh, but i want to enjoy sticking my dick in it

[21:06:06]

physical attraction isnt just sex

[21:06:08]

If that's number one rule then it's just a Fuck partner not a SOUL Mate

[21:06:29]

<jagsph__>

well if you want a soul mate that you are unattracted to physically thats your deal.

[21:06:31]

Well when you get older to be honest that viewpoint is gonna change

[21:07:09]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: my girlfriend had nothing when i met her, she was trashy and had no clothes. i gave her a chance because i enjoyed her companionship and shes very unique.... granted she isnt fat so i was also physically attracted to her.

[21:07:45]

When you take a moment to actually look for a person for more than thier tits and ass and see who they are inside, that is when the REAL attraction comes into play. Because EVERYONE is gonna get ugly with time. So if they only thing that gets your dick hard about that person is physical then you;re screwed

[21:07:56]

<jagsph__>

trust me, u coudlnt see her tits and ass...

[21:08:08]

Who the hell cares jagsph__ ?

[21:08:18]

<jagsph__>

exactly, who cares u like fat women?

[21:08:27]

<jagsph__>

why are you so on it.

[21:08:47]

Have you actually read anything or are you just sitting there high horsing it?

[21:08:54]

ogmious09: your argument is to keep trying to alter his opinion, then telling him you don't care about it

[21:08:59]

i have one one thing to say..

[21:09:34]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: dont take this the wrong way, but if you are saying this because your wife is fat i dont care. you are happy with her, and im happy you are happy.

[21:09:36]

WTF is going on here, did I autojoin #2600 on a netsplit or something? :-)

[21:09:40]

thegravis ultrashoud was the best soundcard I ever had. so sad the company died. it was lightyears ahead of crative labs.

[21:09:52]

My wife is not a BBW or fat dude, I am just saying in the past I have met a few women who were over weight who were beautiful people on the inside

[21:10:21]

Like I said doubt we are gonna see eye to eye on this, that's cool.

[21:10:24]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: dude it doesnt matter, its my opinion.

[21:10:29]

ogmious09: Was her "inside" easily accessible?

[21:10:54]

RayHaque: I lol'd

[21:10:59]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: i wont lie ive slept with fat women. its not my thing.

[21:11:07]

<jagsph__>

im trying so hard to be p.c. here...

[21:11:14]

Sorry to be off-topic here - but I don't suppose any of you are attempting to connect to WEP with wpa_supplicant?

[21:11:48]

<jagsph__>

RayHaque: i dont even have a wpa network..... someone told me the script needed and & put after it

[21:12:33]

I dunno RayHaque do you have a physique that lends itself easily to that, as a reference point?

[21:12:44]

Or just simple accessed many times?

[21:12:59]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: these are clean 18-24 year old women http://nubiles.net/

[21:13:11]

n/c!

[21:13:14]

<jagsph__>

very reasonable body sizes

[21:13:44]

You guys must be the ones who keep starting those endless chubby threads on 4chan.

Wow ZING

Got me

come on

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[21:14:32]

<jagsph__>

RayHaque: its like trying to convince a Christian that he shouldnt believe in god.

[21:14:49]

Well I dated a chubby girl once for three years.

[21:14:49]

<jagsph__>

they try to do everything they can to convert u

[21:15:05]

It's always funnier making fun of someone else based on looks

[21:15:14]

She wasn't beutiful on "either side" and I am not sure why I dated her for three years.

[21:15:20]

<jagsph__>

dude that big fat guy at the computer was funny

[21:15:46]

<jagsph__>

I also dated a chubby midget for 3 years.

[21:15:58]

My present wife of 15 years is not now, nor has ever been, a chubby. I am glad for that.

[21:16:13]

thank goodness

[21:16:32]

<jagsph__>

This is her myspace feel free to add her she will tell u im an asshole http://www.myspace.com/amandalynnspage

[21:17:28]

I'll put it on the todo list just cause you said so

[21:17:29]

<jagsph__>

Some like em fat, some like em skinny, some dont care.....

[21:17:56]

<jagsph__>

I like how you said to me that "it might be motivation enough to get her to excercise"

[21:18:03]

Notice how Every factor you mention is ALL Physical, not one of which has anything to do with who a person is

[21:18:16]

<jagsph__>

you have a convoluted thought pattern, why date a fat girl if u want her to be thin?

[21:18:40]

I said active, nothing in that says thin or to change someone from who they are

[21:18:59]

Go tell ButterBean he's not active, watch him knock your ass out

[21:19:04]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: im 5'11 165lbs.. i do not go with a large woman

[21:19:29]

<jagsph__>

its like putting a honda crx next to a kenworth semi

[21:19:42]

Did I say a Large woman?!

[21:19:51]

Tunnel Vision

[21:19:53]

<jagsph__>

dude...... thats our discussion

[21:20:16]

<jagsph__>

you dont care because u wanted to meet your "soul mate."

[21:20:19]

I said each of those is a Physical description again has nothing to do with what or who a person is

[21:20:40]

There is a lot of different charecteristics besides LAGRGE

[21:20:43]

<jagsph__>

im not lonely and single enough to go against my own personal interests and beliefs based on the need to be with someone

[21:21:03]

Notice how I pretty much dropped it awhile back?

[21:21:10]

<jagsph__>

nope

[21:21:31]

Not enough comedy mined form it?

[21:21:40]

fuuck

[21:21:40]

<jagsph__>

nope.

[21:21:43]

i died

[21:22:40]

Well shallow people have their place in the world, without them we wouldn't have Reality TV like Jersey Shore

[21:22:50]

<jagsph__>

ogmious09: Settled with this comment; Most of us are "beautiful" inside.

[21:23:04]

<jagsph__>

Settled? done?

[21:23:23]

Just as long as you have the last word it's settled huh?

[21:23:31]

<jagsph__>

Have the last word then

[21:23:33]

Sure, you won. Zinged me

[21:23:50]

<jagsph__>

How old are you?

[21:24:19]

lol, couldn't help it. Could you?

[21:24:59]

<jagsph__>

Its not about having the last word. You need to get it through your thick biggot head that not everyone likes what you like. Now have your last word so we can drop this line of discussion.

[21:25:30]

<jagsph__>

have it....

[21:25:38]

<jagsph__>

Tell me im shallow

[21:25:44]

jagsph, grow up a bit. Calling me names is not going to prove point.

[21:26:09]

Read what I wrote, never attacked you once. I just said I don not judge someone based on thier looks that was it

[21:26:37]

<jagsph__>

Im sorry, i didnt know that calling you what you are is calling you names http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=biggot "A closed minded person"

[21:27:10]

Nothing wrong with that, not trying to convince anyone of anything, or try and win an argument or demean someone. So judging someone based on who they are versus what they look like physically is called being closed minded?

[21:27:11]

<jagsph__>

No, you have done nothing but try to change my opinion about large women.

[21:27:49]

<jagsph__>

You might not understand might thought pattern, I cant be with a woman who i dont find sexually attractive.

[21:28:01]

<jagsph__>

err

[21:28:12]

<jagsph__>

Get it?

[21:28:19]

Shut the hell up already

[21:28:26]

<jagsph__>

Are you going to drop it?

[21:28:34]

<Foxx>

Something I really dont get, it might be the sociopath in me but...

[21:28:43]

<Foxx>

I dont expect one woman to give me everything I need

[21:28:43]

I did twice, you keep trying to get one last laugh out of it

[21:28:47]

<jagsph__>

Let people have opinions of their own.

[21:29:00]

<jagsph__>

Im not laughing.

[21:29:05]

<Foxx>

dont get me wrong, its just some chicks are just total fucking idiots I cant have a conversation with

[21:29:13]

You do the same jagsph__ instead of calling them names because they don't judge people by the same basis as you

[21:29:27]

<Foxx>

and some of them wouldnt even try to imagine sprawled out on my bed...

[21:29:29]

Like you're the F'ing line to be measured by, Just chill the hell out.

[21:29:35]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: now this is true. a woman can be stunny hot and have a crap personality. ive encountered this

[21:29:45]

<jagsph__>

stunny-stunning*

[21:29:50]

<Foxx>

indeed

[21:30:04]

<Foxx>

dont get me wrong, im in a 10 year relationship right now with my highschool sweetheart

[21:30:13]

<Foxx>

shes not into tech, but shes not an idiot

[21:30:17]

<jagsph__>

This one I met at a rave a few years back... hot... took her home did the club scene..... wow what a mistake, complete b*TCH

[21:30:19]

Oh no good can come of this

[21:30:39]

<Foxx>

she might not understand how to compile a linux kernel, but she can grasp the concept and respect what I do with tech...

[21:30:44]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: lucky you got to stay with your highschool girl usually those go away

[21:31:04]

<Foxx>

on the other hand, shes a nuse, and I dont fully grasp some of her medical terms

[21:31:18]

<Foxx>

but we have a respect for each other and what we can do

[21:31:43]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: u know what, mines in college to be a nurse right now, she doesnt grasp the tech stuff either.

[21:32:04]

<Foxx>

she just doesnt like my concept of physical desires with other people, which I can understand, and try to respect

[21:32:21]

<Foxx>

im not a man whore, but ive been kown to have very close female friends *with benifits

[21:32:24]

<jagsph__>

you tell her you are attracted to other women?

[21:32:37]

<Foxx>

usually

[21:32:46]

<Foxx>

but it takes a lot for me to be attracted to another woman

[21:33:11]

<Foxx>

i need one thats not only smokin' hawt, but has some morals, and a brain

[21:33:20]

<Foxx>

a rare find

[21:33:20]

<jagsph__>

I will say from time to time that girls hot. but she knows i dont want them.

[21:33:32]

<Foxx>

yah, I dont think with my dick

[21:33:40]

<Foxx>

cause my current g/f knows more about it than I do

[21:33:47]

<jagsph__>

Its hard to find one like that. the brain seems to be non-existant in them around here.

[21:33:52]

<Foxx>

man, I thought she hid my soldering iron one week, as a prank

[21:34:00]

<Foxx>

I was pissed off!

[21:34:02]

<Foxx>

I told her:

[21:34:20]

<Foxx>

I dont know how the fuck I could misplace it, its in my hand more often than my cock!

[21:34:51]

BS

[21:35:03]

<Foxx>

but I stay faithfull

[21:35:15]

<jagsph__>

Dude. Mine just puts my stuff anywhere she wants. She actually misplaces my solder. which is a big smack in the face to me.

[21:35:32]

<jagsph__>

I could care less about a $5 iron...

[21:35:34]

<Foxx>

I know she has had similar friends *with benifits, we arent swingers or anything like that, but I know there is a level of respect there

[21:35:52]

<Foxx>

my g/f tries not to touch anything in my lab

[21:36:05]

<Foxx>

I have a JP1 hackable remote for the livingroom...

[21:36:07]

<jagsph__>

I wouldnt allow friends with benefits. I told her if she wants to do it not to tell me and just leave.

[21:36:08]

Seen the pics Foxx, your lab is the whole house

[21:36:18]

<Foxx>

if the batteries need to be changed, she asks for permission

[21:36:34]

<jagsph__>

If your clothes arent folded she asks permission to fold them too?

[21:36:39]

<jagsph__>

HEH

[21:36:39]

<Foxx>

yes

[21:36:43]

<Foxx>

actually, she does

[21:36:50]

<Foxx>

thats just how she is

[21:36:58]

<jagsph__>

"May i flush the toilet, you forgot to.."

[21:37:15]

<jagsph__>

I wish I could hear that once instead of "YOU DIDNT FLUSH"

[21:37:18]

<Foxx>

oh man, we have a laptop and two netbooks, im on the PC and she asks me if she can use one of the laptops

[21:37:25]

<Foxx>

i turned around and bitched her out...

[21:37:30]

<Foxx>

cause she doesnt need my permission!

[21:37:54]

<jagsph__>

I gave her a laptop... 366mhz 256mb of ram ... powerful as the Z2

[21:38:06]

<jagsph__>

It says $25 as-is on it.

[21:38:26]

<jagsph__>

... in crayon...

[21:38:34]

<Foxx>

she can use whatever she wants, when she wants, but she knows im always bouncing around projects, so she makes sure a device isnt in some sort of disarray before she uses it

[21:39:05]

<jagsph__>

Oh she threw out a dd-wrt router flash project that i was attaching a jtag to... i was mad...

[21:39:25]

<Foxx>

hell, ill leave work open on the laptop, and she will ask me how to finish it for me

[21:39:27]

<Foxx>

which is sweet

[21:39:30]

<jagsph__>

i left it out overnight and she said "i thought it was garbage"

[21:39:33]

<Foxx>

sometimes its annoying

[21:39:57]

<Foxx>

last night she had to download and install an application, and she asks "We use WIndows XP?"

[21:40:20]

<Foxx>

and I looked at her like she was mentally retarted

[21:40:37]

<Foxx>

(cause its a flaming fucking yes)

[21:40:53]

<jagsph__>

I would say to mine, just do what you do best, get naked and lay in bed.....

[21:41:06]

<jagsph__>

When you're done you can cook dinner and do my laundry

[21:41:15]

<Foxx>

we share the cooking

[21:41:27]

<Foxx>

when it comes to breakfast, some baking, and meats, im the maker

[21:41:29]

<jagsph__>

how sweet. heh we do trade offs depending on whos more tired.

[21:41:44]

<Foxx>

im just damn good at breakfast foods

[21:41:53]

<Foxx>

she makes AWESOME pizza

[21:41:58]

<Foxx>

anything working with dough

[21:42:07]

<Foxx>

but thats the thing, its always a trade off

[21:42:25]

<jagsph__>

i would figure the man would be better with the dough... grabbing and fondeling...

[21:42:28]

<Foxx>

its about "completing" each other, and in general we dont equal a whole

[21:42:53]

<Foxx>

ive got tech friends on the side that are a bit more fun to 'geek out' with

[21:43:04]

<Foxx>

and she has friends that are into TV shows and crap like that

[21:43:23]

<jagsph__>

DUDE. we dont have cable.... she would be at the tv all the time watching horrible reality tv shows

[21:43:24]

<Foxx>

hell, one of my friends, I have her over and she spends the whole time attached to me like a tumor

[21:43:27]

<Foxx>

shes hella' warm!

[21:43:52]

<Foxx>

and I also do gymnastic/combat training with her

[21:43:52]

<jagsph__>

We dont even have internet... im using a neighbors wireless...

[21:44:15]

<jagsph__>

We do that also... taekwondo

[21:44:31]

<Foxx>

ive gotten into knife fights with my g/f

[21:44:39]

<Foxx>

for the fun of it

[21:44:45]

<jagsph__>

she cries if i hit her by accident...

[21:44:55]

<Foxx>

my g/f doesnt like getting physical with me

[21:45:00]

<Foxx>

not in combat

[21:45:06]

<Foxx>

she cant match my reflexes

[21:45:13]

<Foxx>

or hit as hard

[21:45:22]

<Foxx>

but I let her beat me up

[21:45:34]

<Foxx>

but for serious training shes no fun

[21:45:41]

<jagsph__>

one day she will get you just right

[21:45:48]

<Foxx>

oh she has!

[21:45:59]

<Foxx>

railed me in the side of the head with a frying pan...

[21:46:05]

<Foxx>

she used the bladed edge

[21:46:08]

<Foxx>

not the flat back

[21:46:13]

<Foxx>

I was proud of her for that one

[21:46:50]

<Foxx>

another time she cought me with a face-knee smash

[21:47:11]

<jagsph__>

gotta love that..... the worst i get is elbowed in the face while we are sleeping

[21:47:25]

<Foxx>

shes done that too, broke my nose twice doing it

[21:47:33]

<Foxx>

I can take a severe beating

[21:47:53]

<Foxx>

i was raised in an irish/italian household, there was a lot of brawling

[21:48:56]

<jagsph__>

she is the one who got the brawling ... she has an older brother

[21:49:05]

<Foxx>

when I do my hacking stuffs, I try to get stuff I can hack, and she can have fun with

[21:49:17]

<Foxx>

I did a segment, on prerelease "Geek Gifts for Girlfriends"

[21:49:25]

<Foxx>

im looking into different ebook readers for her

[21:49:41]

<jagsph__>

the z2 makes a great gift for gf

[21:49:41]

<Foxx>

yes, I know the first thing everyone will say is to just use the netbook, but the LCD bothers her eyes

[21:49:49]

<Foxx>

I mentioned that in the segment

[21:50:06]

<Foxx>

its on the BSoD filedump

[21:50:12]

<Foxx>

www.filedump.bsodtv.org

[21:50:15]

<Foxx>

in /prerelease

[21:50:17]

<Foxx>

check it out

[21:51:10]

<Foxx>

im looking at the Nook for her right now

[21:51:24]

<Foxx>

I was going to go with a kindle, but there isnt much in the way of hacking it

[21:52:02]

<jagsph__>

umm theres one i remember let me find it

[21:52:08]

<Foxx>

i want a device with either USB host for a wifi card, or internal something for wifi

[21:52:15]

<Foxx>

and the nook can do both, i think

[21:52:21]

<jagsph__>

its not an ebook reader though but its hackable

[21:52:33]

<Foxx>

plus the new iPad is jacking up all the amazon ebook prices now

[21:52:33]

<jagsph__>

the peek mobile email device?

[21:53:02]

<Foxx>

I want something that has eInk

[21:53:23]

<Foxx>

but im not a fan of Android in general right now, so the Nook has me kinda 'meh'

[21:53:30]

heh i picked up a peek for less than 5 bucks. but i havent done anything with it

[21:53:44]

<jagsph__>

android sucks. bottom line.

[21:54:01]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity: peek is $15

[21:54:08]

<jagsph__>

new.

[21:54:31]

when i got my zipit

[21:54:41]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: i dunno of anything else mentionable...... that u could use....

[21:54:47]

target had the peek on clearance for 3.73

[21:55:11]

so i grabed on just for the hell of it.

[21:55:21]

<jagsph__>

i would buy one for that... $15 is a little steep for something i will probably break

[21:55:27]

<Foxx>

even if I can just use the thing to scan for wifi (and I dont mean the default built in app, more like kismet) and even IRC, id be happy

[21:55:32]

[and the zipis were 12.48

[21:56:00]

<Foxx>

oh, and play MP3s

[21:56:03]

so i bougt 4 zipits and 1 peek.

[21:56:09]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: I have an base arm binary distro of ubuntu for android on my site

[21:56:17]

<Foxx>

fuck ubuntu!

[21:56:42]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity: i h8u for that lol

[21:56:43]

hell the battery is probably worth more than what i payed

[21:56:47]

<Foxx>

why the hell would I trade off android for ubunru?!

[21:56:52]

<Foxx>

ubuntu*

[21:56:58]

lol

[21:57:11]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: its designed to run ontop of android.

[21:57:17]

jag yea it was a 1 weekend thing when target dumped em

[21:57:22]

<Foxx>

thats just idiotic

[21:57:43]

lol

[21:57:43]

<Foxx>

Mcavity, i wish I was able to get to that in time

[21:57:54]

<Foxx>

id love to get another Z2

[21:57:57]

get the didj yet Foxx?

[21:58:01]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity: why do they still say they have them at target when they really dont

[21:58:03]

<Foxx>

yeah, had one for a while!

[21:58:07]

i hit 3 or 4 targets before i found some

[21:58:19]

i dunno

[21:58:19]

<Foxx>

had one since xmas

[21:58:27]

i think taret onlie has some.

[21:58:34]

<Foxx>

im waiting to see bricked Z2s online for cheap

[21:58:37]

<Foxx>

ill just debrick it

[21:58:46]

<Foxx>

has anyone attempted to hook a camera into the Z2?

[21:58:47]

<jagsph__>

if you go to zipitwireless they say they are selling them locally

[21:59:17]

I know you were hating on Hackaday but it did bring a lot of interest into the didj Foxx

[21:59:23]

fox have to wait to see what rkdavis comes up with

[21:59:35]

seems to brought development back to life for it

[21:59:39]

zipitwireless is crazy

[21:59:50]

<Foxx>

im local to rkdavis, he asked me to help him be the hardware guy to do the debricking for him

[21:59:57]

<Foxx>

just waiting for him to give me the details

[22:00:13]

<Foxx>

ogmious09, attention isnt always a good thing

[22:00:32]

<Foxx>

it attracts posers that ask me shit like "How do I install Ununtu. I just bought my zipit"

[22:00:45]

<Foxx>

and I shit you not, ive gotten at least 20 messages asking that

[22:00:51]

<jagsph__>

lol.

[22:01:12]

<jagsph__>

Well my dumb ass has gotten a lot of people buying Z2's who know nothing about them

[22:01:20]

Well they got Claude contributing in one of the forumns for it now and since he was the one who did the most cracking on it, in this case seems like a decent thing

[22:01:46]

<Foxx>

ive has people ask me how to use the zipit to crack peoples WEP keys so they can "steal txt messages"

[22:01:50]

http://www.hackerfoundry.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7&sid=baabd5e991ea81aeb6099ba9385d3954&start=10

[22:02:03]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: if i got that i wouldnt even reply

[22:02:08]

<Foxx>

ive gotten some of the most inanely STUPID questions from the Z2 video I posted

[22:02:22]

<Foxx>

jagsph, i block all zipit messages now

[22:02:40]

<Foxx>

but as for the camera

[22:02:44]

<Foxx>

anyone ever try it?

[22:02:49]

<Foxx>

i know the dock has the hookup for it

[22:02:50]

<jagsph__>

Ill reply to people asking legitimate questions if im not busy.

[22:03:17]

<jagsph__>

I have done no hardware modifications to my z2.

[22:03:35]

<Foxx>

well you can get the mating doc connector, and this: *1 sec*

[22:04:03]

i just did the magnifyer thingy. =) but thats not real hardware hacking lol

[22:04:31]

<jagsph__>

You glued on a gameboy addon lol

[22:04:37]

yup!

[22:04:59]

<jagsph__>

Why dont you design a new case that can hold the camera and trackball and usb port for when the hardware hacking gets going.

[22:05:23]

vaccumform toaster over

[22:05:41]

lol

[22:05:43]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity: go to lowes get some clear acrylic

[22:06:59]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: you need a cool hak5 style backdrop

[22:07:31]

http://positioningtech.com/z_productdata/inputtech-trackball2.jpg

[22:07:33]

hehe

[22:08:05]

<Foxx>

BSoD was created because hak5 sucks

[22:08:35]

<Foxx>

and we (BSoD community) feel that the site should be fully accessable from any browser, including text-only console

[22:08:54]

ok food time then work time.

[22:09:09]

<Foxx>

I was going to help Hak5, but darren kept jerking me off

[22:09:18]

<Foxx>

apparently there wasnt enough room on the show for me and his ego

[22:09:29]

<Foxx>

ok, this is what im talking about

[22:09:30]

<Foxx>

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7904

[22:09:39]

<Foxx>

to get a cam hooked to the Z2

[22:10:18]

<Foxx>

BRB, phone

[22:11:15]

<Foxx>

.. or not

[22:12:13]

heh

[22:12:16]

<Foxx>

the hardware part isnt too bad using a breakout board, just to get a proof of concept working

[22:12:32]

<jagsph__>

foxx: darren just doesnt want another man wearing makeup in the show

[22:12:39]

<Foxx>

lol

[22:12:56]

<Foxx>

be lucky if i brush my hair before doing a BSoD segment

[22:13:03]

<Foxx>

ive done a few half hung-over

[22:13:24]

<Foxx>

and I dont do a second take, cause I like to keep it real

[22:13:34]

<Foxx>

if I blow something up, ill admit I messed up

[22:14:23]

<Foxx>

im not trying to pretend to be some hardcore l33t haxx0r of any sort

[22:14:39]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: forget the p.c. terms

[22:14:53]

<jagsph__>

You arent being a fake media whore.

[22:15:04]

<Foxx>

yah

[22:15:16]

<Foxx>

i try to stay the hell away from cameras, unless I am in control of em

[22:15:28]

ya fox! your a REAL meadia whore!

[22:15:29]

hehe

[22:15:42]

[i kid i kid]

[22:15:54]

<Foxx>

of if i was that much of a media whore id be doing shitloads of P.R. crap for 2600 and the local Hackerspaces

[22:16:42]

he i was in a tv production class way back in high schooll.. and you woula still almost never see me on camra.

[22:16:50]

<jagsph__>

2600 is the biggest joke

[22:17:00]

<Foxx>

dont get me started

[22:17:12]

man my fingers are going nuts tonight. bad typeing is bad..

[22:17:21]

<Foxx>

we started BSoD because there was too much media hype l33t haxx0r crap, and in the end, you dont learn shit

[22:17:22]

<jagsph__>

2600 is just a bunch of old phone phreaks who found a tone that gave them free calls

[22:17:25]

<jagsph__>

2600hz

[22:17:36]

capt cruch whistle!

[22:17:46]

<Foxx>

we wanted a place people can come in, ask questions, and not get flamed for hours

[22:17:53]

<Foxx>

<-- ex phone phreak

[22:18:04]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: constructive criticism, i dont know if its my audio or not but the audio is a little bit high in parts...

[22:18:17]

<Foxx>

its the post-production

[22:18:34]

<Foxx>

its hard for me to level the audio cause its an open-source show, not everyone has the exact same mic gain

[22:19:07]

<Foxx>

thats really THE hardest part of putting the show together, getting the audio levels remotely close to each other without overdriving them, or distorting it

[22:19:32]

<jagsph__>

Yeh. Maybe a really good mic for each of you.

[22:20:26]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity, want free phone calls?

[22:20:38]

<jagsph__>

Walk into a gas station and say u just had a car accident and u need to call your wife.

[22:20:44]

lol

[22:21:06]

<jagsph__>

Want to deface a website?

[22:21:14]

<jagsph__>

Call the owner of the website and pretend to be his hosting provider.

[22:21:47]

thank you kevin mitnick

[22:21:57]

<jagsph__>

Its k-dawg.

[22:22:06]

<Foxx>

people wonder why I get pissed when people call me a hacker

[22:22:32]

<jagsph__>

Hacking is a broad term.

[22:22:38]

yea

[22:22:48]

<jagsph__>

Then they attached hats to it...

[22:23:03]

i dont do hats

[22:23:19]

I have hair!

[22:23:38]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity: want to get someones internet cut off?

[22:23:52]

<jagsph__>

Go to their house and run a phf scanner on government c-class ip blocks.

[22:24:43]

heh back in collage i randomly telneted to 1ps.. net was smaller then.. and i found some scary ips

[22:25:05]

<jagsph__>

Im making the term hacking sound like a bunch of vandals.

[22:25:08]

[web was jsut begening and the browser was called mosaic]

[22:25:56]

<jagsph__>

Vandals and thugs.

[22:26:06]

man some days I cant type for crap.. the rest of the time its horrible.

[22:26:14]

<jagsph__>

Foxx: yelled shutup at his g/f on the video... heh

[22:27:06]

gotta go for a bit, but if anyone sees rayhaque pls tell him i pm'd him a using wep in wpa_supplicant script

[22:28:06]

<jagsph__>

ok rkdavis.

[22:28:21]

sweet

[22:29:44]

and i will go off to work in 2 min.

[22:30:56]

<jagsph__>

Haha . Foxx: this is humorous.....

[22:31:20]

<jagsph__>

Mcavity: wasnt nutscrape 1.0 around back then too?

[22:32:05]

not yet

[22:32:11]

gopher was

[22:33:20]

heh and it was pre mp3 too.. but you could still find music in ftp sotes

[22:33:29]

they were just uncompressed lol

[22:33:31]

<jagsph__>

i remember before mp3s

[22:33:45]

<jagsph__>

i was into tracker modules

[22:33:49]

sites. also mod files rocked lol

[22:34:01]

cubic player!

[22:34:28]

ok im feeling very old now.. so im going to go to work and die.

[22:34:31]

<jagsph__>

i dont remember what player i used

[22:35:03]

<jagsph__>

go to work and imagine ogmious09 talking about bbws

[22:35:06]

cubic player rocked becosue it could make a sound bastard sound almost as good as a gravis

[22:35:40]

gravis was one of the first wavetable soundcards

[22:35:47]

<jagsph__>

i never had a gravis

[22:36:01]

<jagsph__>

i had an isa sound blaster which sounded kind of funky it was staticy

[22:36:11]

<jagsph__>

and i later got a yamaha card, and a ess audiodrive card.

[22:36:17]

<jagsph__>

all of these isa

[22:36:27]

<jagsph__>

the sound blaster was an 8bit isa though...

[22:36:30]

compared to an adlib or a sound blaster they were much better..midi sounded GOOD

[22:36:47]

heh i still have my first sound blaster.

[22:36:53]

<jagsph__>

what was your fastest 32bit computer?

[22:36:59]

<jagsph__>

err first

[22:37:04]

<jagsph__>

not fastest

[22:37:13]

<jagsph__>

386/40mhz with addon fpu chip = me

[22:37:19]

386 40

[22:37:36]

<jagsph__>

I think that was the fastest 386 .

[22:37:54]

ya.. i had a 286 20 with math co that woudl beat my friends 386 16s all the time heheh

[22:38:21]

and my xt got puped when i put in the nec v20

[22:38:28]

ok realy got to run. out of time

[22:38:33]

<jagsph__>

ok. later

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