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jagsph_: not sure why currently but it wa sbecause we had to use 1bit mode not 4bit mode

jagsph_: but it's mainly a function of sd card speed

I just like the stock app really, how it moves around is pretty intuitive, be nice if it had a small browser and better media player. I'd be all sugar on it

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<jagsph_>

can we fix this? it sucks when swapping

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Get em jagsph_

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ogmious09: yes me too, if they'd added natice xmpp to it then i'd be happy

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jagsph_: if you are willing to upgrade to u-boot and mainline kernel then i believe the hack is no longer needed so it uses 4bit mode for sd cards if the card supports it

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jtag one of em and go for it

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I'd be willing to do the soldering

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but if you want to stay with blob bootloader and .29 kernel i think you are basically stuck with how it is but you need to ask gpsfan, marex or sweetlilmre to get the word from on high on that

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bout 2 minutes to late to ask gpsfan

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if you look at the patches for the .29 kernel you'll see a devmem2 one for the sd cards

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: if you can find out for me let me know, im not ready to attempt to go beyond 2.2.29

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i'll double check about my facts but if you stick to blob you are stuck at .29 as the highest and it was in .30 i think that the patch became moot

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jagsph_: i presume you mean 2.6.29 :)

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<jagsph_>

:) yeh typing fast. it sucks when you leave out a " somewhere in a script...

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: could a hack be done in the form of a loadable kernel module?

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or use a ' instead of a `

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jagsph_: nope

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it's compiled into the kernel not a module

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because the kernel needs it to load stuff

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: you are the embedded device hacker, write a kernel module patch that modifies the running kernels memory and creates a "soft patch"

Yeah dangit

Everyone dogpile him

jagsph_: no i'm not

lol

i just take whats' given to me and what i have been told

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<jagsph_>

i am telling you to do it

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hey, from the console (did not start into x), how do I connect to the wifi?

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<jagsph_>

go to packetstormsecurity.org and find the lkm rootkit. there is your starting point for coding it.

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jagsph_: if it could be done it would have been done because sweetlilmre hated the hack he had to use

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You're the new embedded device hacker. Illl be B.A. Barrackus and JAGSPH is Face

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I pitty the Fool who uses the Hack

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<jagsph_>

Aeilius: op netconfig

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i'll see if i can find the notes sweetlilmre did about it, it was a complete pita at the time

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<jagsph_>

ok, i get the point, im being stubborn i dont want to brick my device have to sauder a jtag to a serial port, i also dont want to write directions on flashing a newer kernel

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we even looked at using kexec to do some stuff but that didn't start working until .30

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jagsph_: well jtag to the serial port will do you no good anyway :)

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jtag to the jtag port might do it though :)

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<jagsph_>

can you tell ive never done it?

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<jagsph_>

its called fear of the unknown

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so, is there no way to soft reflash the zipit at this point?

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it's not that risky to actually do the upgrade to the kernel and boot loader if you are careful and prepare but there is a teeny risk

[00:12:25]

thanks. more questions; where is the pipe character on the zipit?, can alt be set to toggle, and where is a link of the keyboard controls/ maps? I'm a little confused still

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<jagsph_>

mozzwald there is... you use dd in some fashion...

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mozzwald: yes we do it all the time just if something goes wrong you can only fix with the serial mod

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ah. dd thru the serial port?

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Aelius: depending on the keymap alt=smile key

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I believe that the smile key here is escape

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mozzwald: nope if you fluck up the kernel you use the serial port and talk to the bootloader

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<jagsph_>

aelius: [...] + backspace

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mozzwald: but if you haven't flucked up and have a booting zipit then dd from the prompt

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i c

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jagsph_; I'm not in the X server, but that does nothing in the terminal

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: im not a programmer and im looking at z2mouse.c where can i change the acceleration ..

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i've upgraded both bootloader and kernel and down graded maybe 100 times wiht no problem except for the on time i tried to patch the kernel on the fly

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jagsph_: you can't it is what it is

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it's as fast as the program runs

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you could try adding double evens but that's about it

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: im looking and, i dont have the unit infront of me but you might be able to use loadkeys /etc/keymap.map

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and change the rel_x, rel_y

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on to the REAL QUESTION. Overclocking

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k

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where'd you get the z2mouse source code?

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: i dont know where the pipe key is in the console, i have a telnetd setup you can telnet to the device

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jagsph_: you see whare in z2mouse.c where it has that switch command

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<jagsph_>

mozzwald: openembedded

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and the -3, 3?

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<jagsph_>

yes

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<jagsph_>

i see the -3

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ypu could change those to say 6's

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k

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might make it hard to control it but it might not

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there is one other option

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: is that how many pixels it moves or the speed?

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you could add a key to it that causes it to do a step 6 when held ie,e, a fast mode and a normal mode

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pixels

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it says send a event that says mode relative ? pixels

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: this isnt very efficient, i was hoping to see a usleep option..

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well talk to aliosa27 then :) he wrote it

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: it needs an acceleration feature.. :(

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it's not the code to the full version but it's a nice skeleton for the future

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: it also amazes me that xorg doesnt have this built in

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what built in? it does have mouse support but our /mouse/ isn't recognised by xorg

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so it had to be emulated

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: you arent understanding. I mean aliosas program built into xorg as a mouse emulator, such as in windows.

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although it is supposed to be a ps/2 mouse in there somewhere according to the kernel but it's not recognised

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jagsph_: but why would it be?

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there are other mouse emulators (mouse keys) none of which are built into xorg

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<jagsph_>

im searching google for them right now

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there is one called mousekeys iirc

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keymouse is one

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i think that had dependencies i couldn't fill when i tried it

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<jagsph_>

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6976553

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<jagsph_>

There is no way he typed that with a mouthstick

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yup and iirc there were problems with doing t that way

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but i may be (probably am) wrong

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sorry to bother again, but; links -g isn't the best browser, would installing dillo from terminal under X make it work graphically?

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pretty darn cool if he did

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also, dosbox under the terminal produces a corrupt... something

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: well onto another subject what utility can i use to show the event code for keys as i press them

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: there are a lot of problems with dillo, it doesnt support broken html properly, which is 90% of the web.

try firefox

jagsph_: showkey

j/k

<jagsph_>

Aelius: you can use it, i just dont think it works better

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: thanks, saved me some reading :)

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ogmious09: not funny someone did run ff and konqueuer on the zipit -- slow as hell and slotsa swapping but it ran

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jagsph_; never used dillo, just saw it suggested for a 'hitchhiker's guide' zipit. any reccomendations for a browser then?

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took aburt 30 mins ti start

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minimo

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jagsph_: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_showkey.htm

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jagsph_: in X there is also something called xev iirc

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if you have it you can see all events in X i.e. key and mouse

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http://www.xfree86.org/current/xev.1.html

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: for compatibility use links =\ if you add the string to make it act as a mobile browser its much better

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: thanks, im going to try to redo some of the mappings and fix this mouse issue, it was the only complaint from the girl

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well, even on a normal unix distribution links has rendering..liberties.

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oh jagsph_before i forget can you pm me that qemu command line that you said starts qemu using the stock kernel and gives fb too not just x

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jagsph_: her complaint is the mose is too slow?

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: yes

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: I dont know if i was getting a framebuffer on the command line....... I was getting it in X.

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jagsph_: for the mouse speed thing it might be worth doing it as a keypress thing -- if key something is press while the mouse is moving increase the rel pixels

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<jagsph_>

qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -kernel vmlinuz-2.6.28-versatile -m 256 -hda scratch.dd -append "root=/dev/sda1 rw" is what i was using though

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jagsph_: ok i'll try it anyway, that was why i was trying skyeye because you are supposed to be able to describe the hardware exactly to it

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: this is true, but compare it to dillo, the rendering gets worse... and ssl is poorly implemented

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ok, I'll take your word for it

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and dillo needs a better theme to make it smaller

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skipstone?

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some of it's items are huge

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: maybe you need kernel support for it, i was using a precompiled kernel from ubuntu

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jagsph_: ok i'll give it a go

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ok time to stab the cat -- he needs his insulin and steroids

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Huh

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: i dont know if it matters but im using the latest from debian squeeze

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Probably not one mouse in that nieghborhood

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: http://www.mozzwald.com/node/29

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<jagsph_>

Thought you might be interested in trying that...

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think it would work with hulu?

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<jagsph_>

ogmious09: not with youtube-dl hunter wrote a document on playing hulu, i never looked at it though

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nice, yes that could enhance the browsing experience :)

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: in my next userland that will be included

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ok; do you have an rss?

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well irrelivant, google reader can watch the page for changes

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(you are zipit.rootnexus.org correct?)

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<jagsph_>

Im lazy. You can view any code suggestions and updates that i post in the pastebin, and on hunterdavis's site http://hunterdavis.com/archives/440 and the website is http://zipit.rootnexus.org which needs a facelift soon.

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<jagsph_>

yes, correct

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i really should try your rootfs on my ubooted zipit

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: the next release boots to the console in 20 seconds, x in 30, and has debian sid and a couple of functionality enhancements...and snes emulation....

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: wait for my release this weekend

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it should work although i need to check what kernel options i set for it

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jagsph_: yup i also need to get a couple more sd cards as it looks like aliosa27 is going to be aorund again at least his blog says he has a new release coming

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: the first one is just a "proof of concept" its not even a release candidate

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nice; would I be correct in assuming the gba is beyond zipit's reach?

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: cool

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: gba, nes, snes emulation is included in the next... i also included dgen but its not very useful

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ok, good, because I'd like a working portable gba emu :)

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jagsph_; also, I would reccommend telling users to just temporarily use the ubuntu windows installer in order to load the img onto the sd card; it is impossible under windows

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or at least, the one promising tool couldnt handle SDHC

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: "Windows installer?" do you mean livecd or am i missing something?

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: i dont even have windows... i was just posting someone elses directions for windows...

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ubuntu has wubi which is a windows installer and runs ubuntu from a file on your ntfs partition

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I've never used ubuntu, I'm a fan of freebsd, but I dont have any unix / linux installed atm. So I thought since ubuntu is user friendly, I could probably load that up very quickly... it has a "windows installer" in which it creates the partition (asks you what size, and from which partition you wish to subtract), adds itself to the longhorn bootloader

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<jagsph_>

Aelius, mozzwald: useful information. I did not know that existed. http://wubi-installer.org/ even looks comforting the users. Great idea...

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I tried sun virtualbox, but it can't communicate the SD card well enough to be able to partition it, and Slax (bootable) just has too many issues to

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yes wubi is pretty good

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Aelius: yes virtualbox only works wellish with usb sd card readers/writers

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the skill level required to partition the sd card is greater than that needed to install ubuntu :)

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if you have builtin ones it doesn't even know they exist

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yeah, i have a built in one and it registered as a floppy image

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oh, you already have physdiskwrite on your site. I thought it worked up to 2GB... as for cygwin, I'm no expert but I'm not sure if you could do that.... I'll look into it shortly

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bbiab going to watch qi xl

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: Honestly, I havent even viewed the physdiskwriter site. Im very biased about windows. =\ I dont know if cygwin would work either, but it should be capable of using dd, might even be able to mount.

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<jagsph_>

I dont like the idea of paying $300 for a horrible piece of software that needs 1gb of ram to start.

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it has a mount command... but if you umount it, I dont think it can be remounted from cygwin. additionally, there is no fdisk, or mkfs

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windows is dumb, yes, but I'm also a gamer

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yeah, there are no partitioning tools under cygwin... there is a nice sourceforge project for mounting various fs that windows doesnt support, but I think the only way for a windows user to go about this is to just boot up a linux

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not a live cd either

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<jagsph_>

Aelius: simplifies everything.....

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agreed

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hey jagsph_ what's upp with the BBW Darlene on your user channel on Youtube?

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zipit, zipit, zipit.............girls butt, lol

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<jagsph_>

probably my mexican friend joe viewing videos on my youtube while i am signed into gmail

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<jagsph_>

oh yeh she looks hispanic

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<jagsph_>

lol joe doesnt know how to use a computer he must have tried to save it by adding to favorites.

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<jagsph_>

yep 2 of the favorites arent mine

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Funny, I got a Mexican Joe friend too

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<jagsph_>

Joe Aros the body man

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<jagsph_>

autobody that is

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<jagsph_>

He comes to my house so he can watch redtube.

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just pointing out how there were all zipit videos and then that, Kinda Humerous

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<jagsph_>

You can watch me street racing on there when i was 18.

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<jagsph_>

There is random stuff.

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<jagsph_>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4J_qhBgqZs

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jagsph: What would you run on lid close and open?

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<jagsph_>

echo 0 > > /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.0/brightness

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how do I use apt-get to remove a package?

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or remove a package put in place via apt-get

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Aelius: apt-get remove <packagename>

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man the one question I could answer and someone swoops in before me, lol

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lol

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<jagsph_>

aptitude remove package

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<jagsph_>

I said it another way

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<jagsph_>

dpkg -r packagename

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jagsph: if you cat /proc/irq/162/spurious you can determine whether the lid is closed or not. just check the count. it starts at 0 and increases by one each open or close.

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<jagsph_>

echo packagename | dpkg -r

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jagsph: so 0 and even numbers would be open, odd numbers = closed

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<jagsph_>

you cant it just counts how many times it opens and closes

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<jagsph_>

well thats true... but what if you start up with the screen closed... how would you script that

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um

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hrm

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<jagsph_>

ihttp://bash.cyberciti.biz/decision-making/find-whether-number-is-odd-even/

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tink tink ponder ponder Oh Bother

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didn't think about it starting up closed.

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but how would you press the power button if it's closed? and yes i know it turns on when you plug it into the mains :)

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rkdavis: exactly

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<jagsph_>

press the power button and then the cat closes it

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very clever cat

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can he do your taxes too?

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<jagsph_>

yes

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How much does yours bench rkdavis ?

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0 and he befriends mice too

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he has a mouse possie

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must be Estrogen not Sterois

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let's pretend the D is in there ok

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis, mozzwald: http://zipit.pastebin.com/f5434896a

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how does one implement this?

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just script to run, right?

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<jagsph_>

Well aelius, you should probably test it first to make sure that when it starts up it doesnt start as an odd number....

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<jagsph_>

that could be bad...

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<jagsph_>

it needs to run as root, you can start it from .xinitrc via /etc/op/op.conf

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hehe, that would be a funny trick

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<jagsph_>

might also want to change the sleep to 2 or 3 to save cpu cycles

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<jagsph_>

mozzwald: im going to restart it and see what it boots up as, i can easilly write a function to ignore it if its 0

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<jagsph_>

is 0 even or odd? :)

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<jagsph_>

0 should be even...

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<jagsph_>

we're good...

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how long is the avg battery life of your zipits on debian, used and unused?

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<jagsph_>

2hrs if you turn off keypad screen brightness and speaker

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that's quite dissapointing actually

[01:59:51]

<jagsph_>

I think i had it going for 3

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis can answer this better

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by spec for the stock it's around 4 hours for .29+ with debian btw 3.5 to 4.5 but with tweaking ppl have had it upto 5+ hours

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but there is a idiocincracy with it

[02:06:38]

how about with infrequent use; are those estimates from the zipit sitting with screen off?

[02:06:40]

there are two currently believed reasons for it but power drains while powered off too

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so even if off it will lose all charge if not running stock app in about 5 to 6 hours

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<jagsph_>

.conkyrc to show battery status on desktop: http://zipit.pastebin.com/f73ae360d

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reason 1 being there is no real off mode in the pxa270 it's always drawing current

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2. the power button hits the lid when closed and caused power drain

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not sure if either are 100% true but both are partially right

[02:08:27]

I thought electrical components had graduated from such silly power sapping while the device is off

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Aelius: they ave except fr some devices it's easier if they don't have a cold reboot mode

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hmm

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it saves alot of transistors if you only have a warm reboot mode

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that you can use for other things

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis you are good at dressing things up

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as i said it's not 100% true

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<jagsph_>

the reason is they didnt want to spend the money to implement it. it wasnt in the budget for this device. and they didnt care.

[02:11:30]

but there is some partial truth in that the same way as the power button does hit the lid when closed and in the stock app they monitor the lid and the power button and if the lid is closed and the power button is pressed it tells the cpu to goto sleep

[02:12:48]

<jagsph_>

saved 50 cents per unit. you know its true

[02:13:34]

well the power button was supposed to be a different shape from what i heard but the wrong ones were shipped but there was no time to wait for the right ones

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not sure if i believe it but i have seen that happen in the past and had it happen to me too

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I: Bus=0019 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=0100

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N: Name="gpio-keys"

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P: Phys=gpio-keys/input0

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S: Sysfs=/devices/platform/gpio-keys.0/input/input1

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U: Uniq=

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H: Handlers=kbd event1

B: EV=23

B: KEY=100000 0 0 0

B: SW=5

it appears the lid switch is a keyboard event

[02:18:16]

rkdavis: anyone tried sanding down the button so it wont get pressed?

[02:19:04]

not to my knowledge

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i have had a look at it carefully and i really can't see it actually being depressed to power the unit on but it was claimed by people who should know that it does and they had to add some gpio monitoring to fix it

[02:21:39]

I seem to have the button in question as this issue plagues me. I always pull it out of my pocket and it's on.

[02:22:24]

I can click the power button by gently squeezing the zipit when closed

[02:22:57]

i did think about maybe cutting a battery wire and putting a small switch on it but seems a bit of a convoluted way to solve the problem

[02:25:22]

I've thought about sanding the button down and repainting it.

[02:25:53]

although, it seems a bit rubbery

[02:26:01]

i don't think you'd need to take much off

[02:26:16]

it's very soft rubber isn't it

[02:26:54]

yeah. just not sure how it'd feel after sanding. prolly wont be smooth anymore

[02:27:25]

if it was solid plastic you could polish it

[02:28:27]

iirc from opening it up it's a seperate button and not joined to the others so you could swap it out

[02:28:39]

if you could find something similar

[02:29:18]

might be the way to go. just make a new one.

[02:39:00]

<jagsph_>

Find some old piece of electronic equipt at a second hand store with a similar button

[02:39:33]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: someone said this device has a usb interface on the back, just not connected. is this true

[02:39:58]

jag it has usb client mode pulled out to the expansion port

[03:00:07]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: i have a working power management interface for the z2

[03:00:26]

<jagsph_>

currently its printing debug information to the console since i am doing it remotely

[03:00:39]

<jagsph_>

It works very well

[03:05:49]

<jagsph_>

http://zipit.pastebin.com/f2842e866

[04:37:40]

<Mcavity[A]>

i have gotten 5 hours 45 min outof the zipit battery.. just turn off the onboard speaker. i was uualy running finch localy and htop fronm a ssh connection

[04:47:15]

<jagsph_>

thats cool

[04:48:04]

<Mcavity[A]>

It can do a decent job. but yea having no backup for the clock sucks

[04:49:20]

<Mcavity[A]>

[only home fo lunch..heading back to th office]

[04:49:34]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: did you see the discussion earlier?

[04:49:37]

<jagsph_>

ok

[04:49:51]

<Mcavity[A]>

some of it.. anything i should note?

[04:50:06]

<jagsph_>

That the lid open and close for display on and off works now

[04:50:17]

<jagsph_>

and I have created a very good power-management script

[04:50:18]

<Mcavity[A]>

the powermanagement script looks cool

[04:50:23]

<Mcavity[A]>

woo sweet

[04:50:37]

<jagsph_>

I just added a new feature for dimming on battery power

[04:50:53]

<Mcavity[A]>

that should help a lol

[04:51:42]

<jagsph_>

also redoign the website a little bit right now..

[04:52:41]

<Mcavity[A]>

think you will get a chance to put out 2.0 this weekend?

[04:53:53]

<jagsph_>

a .tgz of it

[04:54:08]

<Mcavity[A]>

cool

[04:54:32]

<Mcavity[A]>

oh dont know if you saw this.. something did a while back.. though im painting it now.

[04:54:34]

<Mcavity[A]>

http://rayhaque.blogspot.com/2009/11/magnify-your-zipit.html

[04:54:51]

<Mcavity[A]>

photos dont do it justice.. but it does help.

[04:56:03]

<jagsph_>

haha thats cool. Does it glue on?

[04:56:15]

<Mcavity[A]>

i used dbl sided tape

[04:57:03]

<jagsph_>

funny

[04:57:25]

<Mcavity[A]>

it cost me less than a buck

[04:57:36]

<jagsph_>

second hand store?

[04:57:49]

<Mcavity[A]>

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=60016&cpc=SCH

[04:57:52]

<Mcavity[A]>

computergeeks

[04:57:56]

<Mcavity[A]>

.79 cents

[04:58:04]

<Mcavity[A]>

hehe

[04:58:17]

<Mcavity[A]>

said why not?

[04:58:42]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok gota run =)

[04:59:18]

<jagsph_>

later

[05:28:50]

<Gnuet>

JAAAA :D

[05:28:56]

<Gnuet>

HALO LEGENDS :D :D :D :D

[06:24:01]

<jagsph_>

sheisse kopf swine hundt

[07:46:50]

<jagsph_>

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/ new rootfs userland available

[08:01:46]

<dTal>

alllriiight, debian based?

[08:03:04]

<dTal>

ooh, rox, my favorite

[08:14:20]

<Mcavity[A]>

wooo

[08:39:28]

<jagsph_>

The 1gb image has 2 hours left to upload

[08:39:36]

<jagsph_>

tgz rootfs is done

[08:39:46]

<Mcavity[A]>

yea i grabed it

[08:40:12]

<Mcavity[A]>

working on it now

[08:40:23]

<jagsph_>

The focus was mainly on the power management features and the upgrade to sid

[08:41:56]

<Mcavity[A]>

and the new chat client?

[08:43:00]

<jagsph_>

ayttm is in it

[08:43:16]

<jagsph_>

changed the media player.... added snes and dgen

[08:43:28]

<jagsph_>

youtube playing from the browser

[08:45:46]

<Mcavity[A]>

sweet

[08:46:36]

<Mcavity[A]>

extracting now. will see if i do this right..

[08:49:55]

<jagsph_zipit>

let me know if u find anything wrong

[08:54:53]

<jagsph_zipit>

heh stayed up all night to make a rc0

[08:55:16]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok will do

[09:01:17]

<Mcavity[A]>

oh man britney spears?

[09:01:25]

<Mcavity[A]>

thats just wrong

[09:02:31]

<jagsph_zipit>

lol i had to mix it up

[09:03:00]

<Mcavity[A]>

well i will see if i did this right in a second

[09:04:24]

<jagsph_zipit>

the shortcut keys make it worth while

[09:05:55]

<Mcavity[A]>

thowing on a video too. [one i transcoded a while back]

[09:07:10]

<jagsph_zipit>

should play anything thats down converted

[09:08:50]

<jagsph_zipit>

best features are youtube and power management imo

[09:10:18]

<Mcavity[A]>

its booting

[09:13:11]

<Mcavity[A]>

still booting.. you said first time would be slow..

[09:14:19]

<Mcavity[A]>

i see the battey meter

[09:14:34]

<Mcavity[A]>

and theres the screen

[09:17:10]

<Mcavity[A]>

video file does not play on simple click..

[09:18:00]

<Mcavity[A]>

its an avi

[09:20:13]

<Mcavity[A]>

you already posted the fix heh

[09:22:52]

<Mcavity[A]>

trying youtube

[09:24:52]

<Mcavity[A]>

it downloads the whole video before it plays?

[09:25:46]

<Mcavity[A]>

heheheh

[09:25:58]

<Mcavity[A]>

D.r Tran!

[09:35:53]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok that was fun

[09:36:33]

<Mcavity[A]>

yup screen off on close works

[09:40:17]

<dTal>

Is that right? No buffering?

[09:41:49]

<Mcavity[A]>

once it dled it played ok

[09:42:02]

<Mcavity[A]>

was not fastest thing ever.. but it worked =)

[09:42:37]

<dTal>

Yeah

[09:42:41]

<dTal>

but no buffering?

[09:42:51]

<dTal>

I mean, mplayer has that built in as a feature

[09:43:01]

<dTal>

you just pass it the url

[09:43:33]

<Mcavity[A]>

uhh im lost? which are yu talking about?

[09:43:45]

<dTal>

Playing videos on youtube

[09:43:57]

<dTal>

you said it downloaded the whole video before playing

[09:44:28]

<Mcavity[A]>

oh it seemed to do that.

[09:44:42]

<dTal>

surely, if it has a url, it would be trivial to use buffering

[09:44:53]

<dTal>

esepcially if mplayer is the backend

[09:46:29]

<Mcavity[A]>

I dunno it took a good while for it to start.

[09:46:50]

<dTal>

so is it useable?

[09:47:13]

<Mcavity[A]>

yea

[09:47:17]

<Mcavity[A]>

i think so

[09:49:36]

<dTal>

So to install you just unpack to the ext3 partition on an ext3? Nice

[09:49:45]

<dTal>

never did like this whole image business

[09:50:03]

<Mcavity[A]>

yea

[09:52:07]

<Mcavity[A]>

hey jagsph_ when I try and set mplayer "$@" for AVI i get permission denied.. know whats up there?

[09:57:00]

<Mcavity[A]>

file plays if i do it from terminal

[09:58:59]

<dTal>

sounds like rox doesn't like you changing its settings

[09:59:14]

<dTal>

is rox running as a different user as you?

[09:59:15]

<Mcavity[A]>

looks like

[09:59:28]

<Mcavity[A]>

gona test boot up

[09:59:45]

<Mcavity[A]>

start

[10:00:03]

<Mcavity[A]>

console

[10:01:18]

<Mcavity[A]>

bit of a delay here

[10:04:08]

<Mcavity[A]>

desktop

[10:04:30]

<Mcavity[A]>

humm that was a bit pokey.

[10:06:29]

<Mcavity[A]>

maybe my sd card is slow

[10:28:38]

<Mcavity[A]>

instant messenger dosent work

[10:29:21]

but this does

[10:44:03]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok back later

[11:08:29]

ello

[11:33:06]

morning all

[11:33:34]

jagsph_just read the scrolllback nice one on the power management

[12:33:35]

Mcavity: What doesn't work about the IM client?

[12:36:07]

<user-1>

probably msn and yahoo since their login protocols changed recently.

[12:36:52]

<user-1>

any IM client built before oct 09 would have broken msn/yahoo

[12:38:05]

<user-1>

best IM client would prob be centerIM 4.22.9 or the latest bitlbee

[12:39:19]

I see. I have only tested gtalk.

[12:41:02]

latest update for ayttm was oct 09 and that's the version we're using.

[12:42:07]

unless yahoo or msn changed again. pidgin has been updated like 5 times since then.

[12:42:28]

ah

[13:23:31]

is there a new release jagsph?

[13:29:01]

guys making a lot of noise in this room, woke me up

[13:30:41]

Gotta be a new release Adnyxo, on his page it's updated and has a new name RC name

[13:30:43]

ogmious09: sorry we'll try to make less noise in future for you or we'll stick cotton wool in your ears

[13:30:51]

but can you cut down on the snoring please

[13:30:57]

lol

[13:31:05]

Those are man grunts

[13:31:30]

and wash your feet please and stop it with the chilli at 1am, it's making the room funky

[13:32:19]

man musk

[13:32:40]

So jagsph_ got the lid switch to work, dude works fast

[13:36:51]

awesome

[13:36:57]

i think i need to donate more

[13:37:07]

if this will be the quality of work he does

[13:38:28]

or she

[13:39:00]

0o the site looks nicer too

[13:40:10]

damn a youtube player too

[13:40:15]

i love you jagsph

[13:41:18]

snes looks shiny

[13:41:39]

nice redesign of the site

[13:44:10]

that too

[13:49:34]

jagsph: i wish there was a google docs implementation for the zipit

[13:49:44]

just an idean

[14:55:01]

<dTal>

So the youtube player doesn't work for me

[14:55:29]

<dTal>

I get 404s

[14:56:17]

<dTal>

or more generic "not founds"

[14:57:32]

<dTal>

"the requested URL /rtsp://v8.cache.c.youtube.com/[bunch of gibberish]==/0/0/0/video.3gp was not found on this server

[14:57:45]

<dTal>

Apache Server at m.youtube.com port 80

[15:00:28]

what did you search for?

[15:01:06]

<dTal>

several things

[15:01:28]

<dTal>

oh do I have to use the special option in the apps folder?

[15:01:29]

none of them worked?

[15:01:59]

or just browse to http://www.mozzwald.com/ytsearch.php

[15:02:14]

you hafta use my search page or else it won't work

[15:03:40]

<dTal>

it still doesn't work

[15:03:47]

<dTal>

no error, it just doesn't do anything

[15:04:05]

<dTal>

I get the search results page, I click on a video, big fat nothing

[15:04:35]

<dTal>

hm it's doing something now

[15:04:38]

it might take a bit to load. jagsph's script is supposed to load a message

[15:04:51]

<dTal>

yeah there's an xmessage

[15:05:06]

<dTal>

is it really downloading the whole thing before playing?

[15:05:14]

not sure

[15:06:15]

mplayer is definitely a bit slow

[15:06:40]

<dTal>

well that was a bit choppy, but at least it worked

[15:06:46]

<dTal>

we're making progress

thats not good

hey ogmious09

Hey Adnyxo

so

about flash

Yes?

i think there needs to be a program that takes the embedded url of a flash video and plays it outside of the browse

[15:40:29]

r

[15:40:40]

but im dumb, and want flash

[15:41:00]

so dont take what i say seriously

[15:41:24]

there is a program that does that

[15:41:52]

it's called gnash

[15:42:33]

Not dumb man, I am nowhere near pretty much everyone else in this room myself

[15:43:02]

yea i watched foxx's show and it all went over my head

[15:43:17]

does gnash run on the zipit?

[15:45:32]

I dont see why it couldn't.

[15:46:23]

Never tried it, I dug out my zipit today but can't find the Mini Sd card, might be at the shop, so I will have to look for it Tomorrow and give jagsph's distro a try

[15:46:41]

could always try a apt-get install gnash

[15:48:31]

itd be slowwwwwwwwww. i got 1-3 fps with gnash on my j728

[15:48:44]

the zipit doesnt have enough balls to handle it

you wicknix?

yea.

on the alpha400

hence the 'mips' :)

well then I will have to defer to his expertise on the subject Adnyxo

[15:54:57]

gnash is even too slow on the mips netbooks. :(

[15:56:32]

okay then

[15:57:50]

So the answer is yes there is and prolly not on the zipit

[15:58:39]

how about html5?

[16:02:16]

Haven't actually played with it yet I am sure it could render it but as far as video, I am not so sure of that. Isn't html5 supposed to use h.264 to render video? If so, that requires a pretty hefty amount of processing power

[16:05:02]

i dont know, but if so thats not good

[16:06:42]

the world is leaving us behind, lol

[16:07:27]

its a $50 300mhz toy with 32mb ram. cant expect much.it handles more than i think most thought it would though.:)

[16:07:47]

true

[16:08:04]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:08:11]

lol

[16:08:25]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:08:33]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:08:33]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:08:34]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:08:38]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:08:50]

Stroking out?

[16:09:30]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:10:11]

Yeah you know What jagsph_ has made is pretty awesome and makes me happy. I got not problem using tversity to re-encode on the fly video for me to watch on it

[16:10:58]

can you configure tversity to automatically trans-code the newest hulu video or something?

[16:11:22]

it's what hunter davis is using in that hulu on the zipit video

[16:11:42]

does tversity run onlinux

[16:12:01]

Thinking bout it the wrong way

[16:12:22]

?

[16:12:54]

It runs on a windows machine as a psuedo server and you connect to it from the zipit and tversity streams it to the zipit or whatever and has the ability to re-encode the video on the fly

[16:13:25]

something more ability friendly for the zipit or ipod or smartphone, you know whatever

[16:13:33]

that would be good

[16:14:31]

so you can set it up with your youtube channel and hulu account I think you have to use the paid version for that though

[16:14:45]

But for streaming your video collection on the fly is cool

[16:15:07]

oh

[16:15:09]

more paying

[16:15:18]

theres probably a linux alternative

[16:15:19]

i hope

[16:15:40]

You can use the free version for streaming video

[16:15:59]

but for hulu and youtube I believe you need the paid version. I could be wrong

[16:17:23]

You could always just re-encode your video collection to a more ability friendly format and serve it from a windows, mac or linux computer

[16:17:42]

share it on the network, connect to it and just play it

[16:19:54]

Should be able to get Samba on the zipit

[16:22:41]

anyone familar with the imagemagick convert utility?

[16:22:55]

not I

[16:24:04]

what are you trying to do rkdavis ?

[16:25:25]

need to rotate a .png image and convert from .png to .raw (framebuffer format)

[16:25:48]

fastone can do that pretty easily I THINK

[16:26:07]

but convert -rotate 270 cache/temp.png cache/temp.raw doesn't seem to do anything

[16:26:38]

i coul;d do it with a python prog but no image module in the servers python

[16:26:58]

so lookign to see if i can just use convert

[16:27:03]

nevahmind, I don't see it supporting RAW

[16:39:20]

moneymoneymoney

[16:41:53]

How do I give a regular user I created permission to run startx? I've come to the conclusion I need to fix this before I can solve other problem. Running latest Aliosa27. I get 'unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/xwrapper.config' 'user not aurthorized to run the X server'

[16:42:49]

that's a rkdavis question

[16:42:53]

I know it's more of a general Linux knowledge thing, but i shot craps looking up a resolution on the web

[16:44:33]

you could give that user full root permissions, though thats no different than running as root.

[16:44:53]

http://forums.remote-exploit.org/newbie-area/12497-adduser-login-user-startx-doesnt-work.html

[16:45:00]

First serious forray into a Linux that didn't drop all users straight into X. I dnlded the EmDebian AddUser same time I go WPA_Supplicant and I already did chmod o+x /etc/X11/*

[16:47:38]

I saw that page. looks like a lot of recomending chmod 777 for a security group. No sense having different classes of users if you are going to do that.

[16:49:25]

Well Pppppffffffftttttttt then

[16:52:24]

ppppppfppfppppttt

[16:52:46]

so anyone here that doesnt hate twitter that i can follow

[16:53:59]

Screw you and your stupid truthful voice of reason

[16:54:04]

:P

[16:54:44]

wickmips: not mips but have you seen the new arm based hivision 7"er?

[16:55:08]

is it the same as the other arm clones?

[16:55:23]

The one running Android rkdavis ?

[16:55:29]

yup

[16:55:36]

nope, but it sounds like i want one

[16:55:37]

yeah posted a link to it yesterday

[16:55:42]

does 720

[16:55:50]

python-imaging - Python Imaging Library

[16:55:54]

oopsy

[16:55:59]

lol

[16:56:08]

http://armdevices.net/2010/01/29/android-laptop-review-hivision-pws700ca/

[16:56:25]

all for less than a hunskie

[16:57:35]

if the price is as expected it might grab a brace of them

[16:57:42]

one to kill and one to use

[16:59:24]

be able to buy em off your local Von's shelves

[17:00:56]

dunno whether they will pan out but the claimed price by one blogger is around $98 but i doubt that but for $120 i'd grab them

[17:01:12]

even maybe $130

[17:01:19]

give yeah 50 dollahs for it. Good Lord

[17:01:38]

they should give them away free in cerael boxes

[17:01:59]

the new Little Orphan Annie decoder ring for the 21st century

[17:02:57]

All web based like Google OS?

[17:03:29]

FiftyOneFifty: says android so nope

[17:04:12]

and well it's arm so almost certianly hackable and i'm sure jagsph_ would do a new UI for it :)

[17:07:23]

In any case, that price point should make more powerful netbooks more affordable. If it does YouTube and Hulu out of the box Apple may want to reconsider $500 tablets

[17:48:32]

FiftyOneFifty: amen

[18:32:25]

<dTal>

jagsph_: is there a way of controlling screen and keyboard brightness in your userland?

[18:33:04]

<dTal>

I'd do it manually but angle brackets don't seem to work in X

[18:39:37]

<jagsph_zipit>

dtal the vars are in power-management.sh in /etc

[18:40:13]

<dTal>

what are they?

[18:40:35]

<dTal>

I mean, what are "vars" in this context

[18:42:04]

<dTal>

(also your lid script turns the keyboard backlight off but not on)

[18:45:16]

<jagsph_zipit>

dtal they are disabled in the script i labled them pretty well

[18:46:02]

<jagsph_zipit>

ill add new variables for having them on but u can edit in the script to turn them on

[18:50:20]

<jagsph_zipit>

ther vars go from 0 to 1023 anything under 400 is kind of useless

[18:51:37]

<jagsph_zipit>

key lights are off by default because they are a power drain. i think they could be on when powered by ac

[18:52:39]

<jagsph_zipit>

they also generate a lot of heat it made my z2 smell funky

[18:53:54]

<dTal>

well I've got mine set to 256 and it's not at all useless

[18:54:18]

<dTal>

my room is completely dark, yet I can see my keyboard

[18:54:52]

<dTal>

(I got there by copying part of your script with GNU screen)

[18:55:09]

<dTal>

apt segfaults a lot, I notice

[18:55:24]

<jagsph_zipit>

i was referring to the display being useless

[18:55:33]

<dTal>

oh

[18:55:46]

<jagsph_zipit>

are you getting bus error

[18:56:01]

<dTal>

bus error=

[18:56:09]

<dTal>

?

[18:56:21]

<dTal>

not that I know of

[18:56:52]

<jagsph_zipit>

sometimes ill get bus error rebooting solves it. rkdavis might know why that happens

[18:56:59]

how much swap u have? i noticed no swap or less that 40mb of swap apt bombs.

[18:57:37]

ipkg did the same thing in angstrom

[18:57:43]

jagsph_zipit: 'fraid not at but i have found a bug in console i am trying to solve at

[18:58:35]

<jagsph_zipit>

dtal also with swap u can fine tune it theres a sysctl var called swapiness and if anyone finds the best percentage for the z2.... let me know

[18:58:40]

jagsph_zipit: where is the bus error occuring? when you write to /proc /sys ?

[18:59:20]

<jagsph_zipit>

rkdavis every now and then a program will halt with bus error same thing happens on my mips router

[18:59:59]

<jagsph_zipit>

it either goes away after a few minutes or needs a reboot

[19:00:31]

<jagsph_zipit>

it displays on the console after a program is executed

[19:00:44]

anything common in the programs that cause it or is it not reproducable atm?

[19:01:33]

ok that might be related to something i have noticed in the consolee if you dump something to the framebuffer more than once

[19:01:35]

<jagsph_zipit>

i cant reproduce it. on the mips router i can reproduce it by using the vsftpd binary which refuses to run at all

[19:02:00]

it's a problem with your muffler bearing

[19:02:39]

ok success i have turned my zipit into a digital picture frame (and/or clock) :)

[19:03:07]

can it display photos from a shared drive?

[19:03:15]

off the internet atm

[19:03:20]

trying to genericize it

[19:03:33]

where's it getting the photo's?

[19:03:39]

you can see a browser version of it on http://russelldavis.org/DPF-Z2/Z2DPF.php?driver=browser

[19:03:48]

<jagsph_zipit>

while i am thinking about it if im not around post any bugs or anything to the rootnexus pastebin so i can have a lisr

[19:03:57]

i need to turn the script into a c prog for the zipit now

[19:04:26]

you can see the zipit version by changing the driver param to z2

[19:04:31]

<jagsph_zipit>

rkdavis make a smb server so u can upload pics to it from windows.

[19:04:49]

but it's in raw mode so without my z2 side stuff you won't see how pretty it looks

[19:05:18]

jagsph_zipit: well smb or internet same diff -- if it can be wget'ted then it can be used

[19:05:43]

<jagsph_zipit>

uh huh

[19:05:44]

well actually if it can be put somewhere that php can read it it can be displayed

[19:06:16]

so i could grab it from anywhere the internet (or private server) can read

[19:21:43]

As soon as I try out zipit as a dropbox clone i see there is a new userland

[19:21:44]

lol

[19:22:03]

anyone else try out the RootNexus image?

[19:26:40]

i'm extracting the dir to card now

[19:27:12]

<jagsph_>

i tried it :)

[19:27:23]

how does it compare to aliosa?

[19:27:33]

<jagsph_>

any idiot can use it... such as my gf

[19:27:47]

heh

[19:28:17]

is that a bad thing?

[19:29:08]

<jagsph_>

if her not knowing how to use a command line is bad

[19:29:09]

i am worried about the overhead of x

[19:29:45]

<jagsph_>

its doing ok at one or 2 tasks. the overhead only becomes a problem when you start to multitask like you have 1gb of ram

[19:30:00]

<jagsph_>

browse the web chat on irc and listen to an mp3 for example is fine

[19:30:23]

does it boot to x right away?

[19:30:33]

i might just use it as a dropbox clone anyways

[19:30:33]

<jagsph_>

it boots x via inittab and .bash_profile

[19:30:38]

gotcha

[19:30:50]

<jagsph_>

30 seconds to get into X if the FS isnt being checked

[19:30:59]

<jagsph_>

20 seconds to the console if the FS isnt being checked

[19:31:39]

<jagsph_>

there are tune2fs options that you can use to disable file system checking.

[19:31:59]

<jagsph_>

also editing of the init scripts, which i havent done yet.

[19:33:57]

hmmm karmic is hanging on the umount process

[19:34:08]

i think i willjust pull it out

[19:34:11]

<jagsph_>

netbook: it might be writing to the card

[19:34:20]

<jagsph_>

usb does delayed writes or write caching

[19:34:21]

well it said it was done untarring

[19:34:30]

oh

[19:34:39]

<jagsph_>

do you have an activity lite?

[19:34:42]

<jagsph_>

light*

[19:35:05]

is there a command, maybe tail, to display traffic to stdout?

[19:35:13]

it is just a sd card, no light

[19:35:27]

<jagsph_>

netbook: i do not know :( rkdavis has the answer to everything though.

[19:36:01]

just do umount /dev/device if its still busy it'll tell you

[19:36:15]

<jagsph_>

wickmips: we are talking about write caching

[19:36:27]

ps |grep media

[19:36:37]

shows that user root is doing the umount command

[19:36:41]

<jagsph_>

write cache does not notify you.

[19:36:42]

and it seems to be hanging

[19:36:54]

so sd cards do write caching?

[19:37:22]

<jagsph_>

USB seems to be doing it. there were a lot of complaints about it online with slow usb.

[19:37:46]

<jagsph_>

netbook: personally i would give it 5 minutes.

[19:37:58]

k

[19:38:20]

<jagsph_>

in Xorg you get libnotify when you unmount a device, it says writing data to device before safe to unmount.

[19:38:46]

<jagsph_>

lxfm, xfce-filemanager and nautilus notify you of it.

[19:39:11]

<jagsph_>

dmesg may have some more information for you.

[19:39:15]

hmm

[19:40:28]

I was unable to unmount the the sd card today after untarring it

[19:41:22]

had to kill gvfs-hal or something then it unmounted fine

[19:41:41]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: if you did not get device is busy it was probably the write cache =\

[19:42:26]

<jagsph_>

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-483715.html and .... http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+usb+slow+write+cache&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a

[19:42:38]

it was saying device busy, but it had finished untaring already. after the kill and umount it booted just fine on the zipit

[19:43:02]

"devkit-disks-daemon polling" and "hald-addon-storage: polling" are still runnign

[19:43:13]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: thats different, something has a lock on it

[19:44:48]

screw it i will unplug and try it, if it fails I will just untar again

[19:45:46]

<jagsph_>

heh

[19:45:54]

jagsph: you try out gtk123 or xhippo? I <painfully> installed gtk123 and it's slow to run for me.

[19:46:13]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: only tried on i386. I liked xhippo but gtk123 was a joke.

[19:46:27]

try madplay with cplay front end. best combo ive found so far.

[19:46:31]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: i think i might build xhippo

[19:46:57]

mpg123 is too heavy

[19:47:01]

madplay is great

[19:47:37]

<jagsph_>

madplay.... hmm adding to notes :)

[19:47:39]

cplay can also be set to handle xm/sid/mod etc with mikmod and sidplay

[19:48:11]

first boot takes a while for rootnexus?

[19:48:20]

i use cplay/madplay on the mips netbooks.. works great

[19:48:31]

<jagsph_>

netbook: i think it checks the filesystem since the creation dates are different.

[19:48:50]

i use mocp on my desktop for an internet radio playlist

[19:49:01]

i had successs with aliosa image with cplayer

[19:49:05]

mocp uses mpg123... too heavy for zipit

[19:49:06]

holy shit it worked!

[19:49:30]

cplay is a python front end, easy to use

[19:49:37]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: playmp3list is too heavy?

[19:49:44]

wait mouse d/n work

[19:49:46]

hmm

[19:49:55]

jagsph_, no, that seems as light as madplay.

[19:49:58]

<jagsph_>

netbook --> [option]

[19:50:07]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: playmp3list is a mpg123 front end

[19:50:27]

:D

[19:50:30]

jagsph_, but madplay is lighter, uses less cpu ( better for multitasking on zipit)

[19:50:47]

madplay only uses 6% cpu on zipit

[19:51:27]

<jagsph_>

really.... well one thing... i dont want to use python if possible... it uses a lot of memory

[19:51:39]

how do i select icons?

[19:51:44]

like wifi connect

[19:52:17]

jagsph_, well madplay can play entire directories and with some handy scripting do streaming radio. :)

[19:52:17]

<jagsph_>

stop button is left mouse

[19:52:27]

:D

[19:53:00]

ok this is pretty slick

[19:53:11]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: ill have to test it out on my desktop, as long as it doesnt use shared memory or "shmget" it will work on the z2 with the 2.2.29 kernel

[19:53:14]

who is the guy that deved this?

[19:53:23]

about section isn't up yet

[19:53:27]

<jagsph_>

<----------netbook

[19:53:47]

nicely done mate!

[19:54:18]

how long did it take to develop?

[19:54:35]

jagsph_, i also have fullscreen working in matchbox. <ctrl>f=fullscreen gets rid of window borders (and taskbar if using one like i do)

[19:54:43]

<jagsph_>

not long since im using debian.... eventually ill switch to oe since rkdavis has convinced me

[19:55:03]

heh

[19:55:13]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: thats good information, i havent read that far into configuring matchbox... definately something to add to ~/.matchbox/kbdconfig

[19:55:20]

also add <ctrl>n=next

[19:55:40]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: i have ctrl+z p=prev ctrl+d desktop and ctrl+x exit

[19:55:41]

is there a keypad map?

[19:55:42]

and <ctrl>x=close isnt good. it screws with nano editor

[19:55:55]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: nice observation lol

[19:56:11]

nano uses ctrl+keys

[19:56:22]

and ctrl+x exits nano :P

[19:56:23]

heh

[19:56:24]

<jagsph_>

thats why its RC0 :D

[19:56:58]

i know. :) just informing you.

[19:57:15]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: thats what i need to know.... fixes for next release... heh

[19:57:36]

also in fullscreen mode those windows stay fullscreen even after cycling though open windows :)

[19:57:58]

until u hit ctrl+f again

[19:58:53]

netbook, somewhere yes... the smilie face is escape, the zipit button is tab, the .... button is ctrl

[19:59:11]

the options button turns on and off the mouse emulator for the dpad

[19:59:39]

the up arrow is shift

[20:00:07]

the dpad is either a mouse, or with mouse disabled the up/down/left/right arrow keys

[20:00:26]

those are the important buttons to know :)

[20:00:41]

<jagsph_>

i have a keymap

[20:01:28]

idk sending dhcp request to 255.255.255.255 is normal

[20:03:51]

<jagsph_>

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/DOCS/zipitkeymap-template.pdf.

[20:03:59]

<jagsph_>

courtesy of rkdavis

[20:05:14]

size 1k for that pdf

[20:05:19]

maybe it isn't uploaded yet

[20:05:24]

it probably doesn't match 100% but tell mhat is where and as i still have the template i'll fix it

[20:05:41]

i am supposed to type 'off' for WEP key if it is an open network?

[20:05:50]

and put ESSID in quotes?

[20:06:20]

no quotes

[20:06:29]

and yes off for no key

[20:06:34]

<jagsph_>

no quotes, and off for no key

jinx :P

k

sweet that worked

<jagsph_>

ifconfig $DEV up

[20:07:36]

<jagsph_>

iwconfig $DEV mode managed essid $SID key $KEY

[20:07:47]

jagsph_, you should also preset lostirc prefs to not show userlist (wastes space) :)

[20:07:51]

<jagsph_>

dhclient $DEV

[20:08:16]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: i just did that since im using lostirc on the z2

[20:08:22]

<jagsph_>

it is horrible looking

heh

lulz youtube on z2

this is so funny

also an icon for ncftp would be nice :)

[20:13:50]

wow

[20:14:01]

never thought it would happen

[20:14:19]

<jagsph_>

netbook: also if you visit the actual youtube site i still have the youtube.old script in there where you can copy and paste the url. it just doesnt have an icon right now.

[20:17:48]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: you found ncftp? I didnt think anyone would notice :)

[20:18:08]

<jagsph_>

Now i have to add the icon heh

[20:18:20]

jagsph_, u forget i make userlands for all kinds of devices... i'm very observant :)

[20:18:39]

i look through 'everything' :)

[20:18:48]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: do you like my convoluted way of using ~/.bin and ~/.apps ?

[20:19:05]

lol yeah. i was like wtf?

[20:19:09]

but good idea

[20:19:23]

last noob ?: telnet says permission denied. what is default command to ruN?

[20:19:27]

keeps them easy to find and add/edit

[20:19:37]

telnet [ip] -l root?

[20:20:21]

(to telnet in)

[20:20:23]

<jagsph_>

yeh, i figured this is a single user single purpose device especially with low memory, and it does make it easier to keep track of

[20:20:47]

<jagsph_>

telnet into the z2?

[20:21:04]

yea

[20:21:24]

<jagsph_>

i just telnet $ZIPIT_IP_ADDRESS

[20:21:31]

<jagsph_>

login user pass zipitz2

[20:21:44]

<jagsph_>

op shell gives immediate root shell, but root pass is debian

[20:22:09]

Connected to 10.20.65.159, [Z2 RootNexus Userland] by: jagsph

[20:22:14]

telnetd: /usr/lib/telnetlogin: Permission denied

[20:23:09]

<jagsph_>

thats very odd on your z2 get a root shell from terminal and type chmod 755 /bin/login

[20:23:35]

<jagsph_>

this might be because removing the sd card during write cache

[20:24:24]

heh maybe

[20:24:38]

<jagsph_>

i am logging in fine on the same userland extracted from the tgz... so u might just need to extract it to the sdcard again

[20:25:10]

prob.

[20:25:12]

<jagsph_>

see if you can correct the permissions on /bin/login with chmod

[20:25:20]

the chmod didn't do anything

[20:25:30]

maybe you all can telnet in :D

[20:25:40]

"telnet 10.20.65.159"

[20:25:47]

is what i am typing in console

[20:26:03]

<jagsph_>

thats lan ip i cant telnet to that

[20:26:17]

yea it is wireless net

[20:26:35]

i heard the 10.* was reserved for lan but wasn't sure

[20:28:39]

<jagsph_>

yep. well only thing i can think of is the write didnt finish.

[20:29:17]

most everything else works great

[20:29:28]

that is everything else as far as i can tell

[20:30:56]

<jagsph_>

if you have any complaints questions comments feature requests.... anything you find tell me so i can add them to the next release.... if im not here you can post it on http://rootnexus.pastebin.com/ and ill see it also.

[20:31:11]

i cant wait to get my zipit back and try the updated image jagsph_

[20:31:56]

jagsph: http://offog.org/code/potamus.html

[20:32:22]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: now that looks like xhippo

[20:32:32]

it's in the repository, but there's dependency issues

[20:32:56]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: a problem i notice with almost all gtk apps is the file browser makes it hard to add files in because of the size of the screen.

[20:33:30]

<jagsph_>

this will get tested though :)

[20:33:43]

jagsph_ do you think it would be possible to use google docs on the zipit

[20:33:47]

<jagsph_>

mozzwald: does the version from ports.ubuntu.com work? or from the squeeze repo?

[20:33:54]

easy document sync

[20:34:03]

havn't tried

[20:34:19]

<jagsph_>

Adnyxo: you can use google docs mobile for viewing them i believe.... but i dont think you would (anytime soon) be able to edit them

[20:35:13]

thats too bad

[20:35:22]

it would make the zipit a mobile workstation

[20:35:29]

(i dont mind the small keys)

[20:35:41]

or i should say easier

[20:35:54]

i hate trying to keep different copies of documents in sync

[20:35:55]

<jagsph_>

Adnyxo: mped is a decent text editor, probably the most advanced you can run on the z2....... you could write the documents save them in txt and format them on a desktop...

[20:37:10]

<jagsph_>

Adnyxo: and file attachments probably work on gmail. I know that you can view gmail in mobile and basic html versions on the links browser

[20:38:54]

<jagsph_>

Adnyxo: the Z2 also has the FTP server enabled, you could pull the files off with FileZilla on windows.

[20:39:11]

<jagsph_>

Im tempted to try this device at school.

[20:39:25]

that makes sense

[20:40:07]

lol theyd think i was texting

[20:40:31]

<jagsph_>

Adnyxo: tell them its the latest mobile netbook lol

[20:41:18]

<jagsph_>

Adnyxo: mped has spell checking support. Have not tested it though

[20:59:12]

heh my scummvm freaked out

[20:59:19]

let me upload a video

[21:00:52]

http://www.filedropper.com/video-2010-01-31-19-54-35

[21:01:23]

all the colors shift around

[21:01:34]

it is pretty cool because of the 90s pixel art

[21:03:09]

yea spell check is important to me

[21:03:25]

i tried it on the older release, but havent upgraded yet

[21:04:08]

huh when i moved mouse scummvm stopped shapeshifting

[21:05:07]

cool bug nonetheless

[21:05:33]

haha cool bug!

[21:05:44]

its not a bug, its a feature

[21:05:52]

:)

[21:07:23]

god this overkill game is ridiculous

[21:07:32]

<jagsph_>

netbook: you can try getting scummvm from the squeeze repo ports.ubuntu.com or from the lenny repo

[21:07:32]

sorry about quality in vid it is with my droid phone

[21:07:51]

doesn't seem to have autofocus :

[21:08:18]

<jagsph_>

0verkill is old....... i played it years ago :) thought it would be nice fun addition to the z2

[21:08:34]

jagsph_ it is just a cosmetic bug from letting idle too long, no problems

[21:08:58]

damn netbook i want that phone so much

[21:09:34]

<jagsph_>

heh i dont have the 3gp codec

[21:10:28]

Adnyxo it is pretty sexy, i use connectbot to ssh into my home box

[21:10:37]

also there is a free gba emulators

[21:10:40]

*are

[21:10:48]

i never had a hand console

[21:12:12]

<jagsph_>

netbook: i left a couple of roms on the device

[21:12:13]

i'm thinking about rooting it b/c there is a cool overclock app

[21:12:23]

nice\

[21:12:30]

jagsph_ yea you did

[21:12:44]

jagsph_ and britney spears... i saw in the untar

[21:12:48]

one nes, a few gb, and some others at least in the first release

[21:15:35]

<jagsph_>

theres one snes... snes is a little slow =\

[21:15:57]

the snes had more than 350 mhz?

[21:16:32]

<jagsph_>

?

[21:18:53]

processor

[21:18:58]

or is it the emulation

[21:19:05]

bye, its bedtime here

[21:19:10]

<jagsph_>

no im sure it had less than 16mhz

[21:19:18]

<jagsph_>

emulation takes a lot.

[21:19:23]

i see

[21:19:26]

<jagsph_>

with the sound disabled is playable

[21:23:28]

yea not sure why snes is slow. on my j728 which is only 206mhz arm, it runs almost fullspeed with sound

[21:23:36]

http://www.filedropper.com/vlc-record-2010-01-31-20h22m21s-video-2010-01-31-19-54-353gp-

[21:23:46]

japsph you can try that vid instead

[21:23:55]

to see shapeshifting in scummvm

[21:24:33]

jagsph_, any hope for nethack on the next release? :)

[21:24:57]

<jagsph_>

apt-get install nethack

[21:25:16]

doh

[21:25:25]

<jagsph_>

lol

[21:25:37]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: how about a mud client?

[21:25:57]

keep forgetting its debian. too use to OE built userlands and or custom builds

[21:25:58]

<jagsph_>

netbook: waiting for it filedropper.com to respond when it does ill view it

[21:26:16]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: when rox compiles on oe ill switch to oe :)

[21:26:22]

it does

[21:26:27]

i used it on jlime

[21:26:37]

<jagsph_>

it gave errors last time

[21:26:50]

you using stable or dev branch of oe?

[21:27:03]

<jagsph_>

who knows, i dont even know what im doing with oe....

[21:27:14]

dev is more up to date, but stable is uhh well.. stable :)

[21:27:25]

jagsph should work now

[21:27:47]

<jagsph_>

netbook: ill have to install vlc, gnome-mplayer will not view this file

[21:28:10]

<jagsph_>

ill see it eventually :)

[21:28:11]

xine should also play 3gp

[21:28:14]

it isn't really that good a vid

[21:28:24]

i just recorded the gp in vlc

[21:28:31]

to convert it

[21:29:22]

<jagsph_>

funky looking...

[21:29:31]

ja

[21:29:33]

<jagsph_>

the display always has a slight shifting in it if you loook really close

[21:29:43]

oh yea?

[21:29:50]

maybe b/c it was idle that was exagerated

[21:29:54]

speculation

[21:30:31]

<jagsph_>

netbook: look really closely at it, stare into the pixels up close...

[21:30:50]

<jagsph_>

i thought i might have eaten some bad chili peppers but its really happening..

[21:30:56]

lol

[21:31:00]

stare into the pixels up close... stare into the pixels up close... you are feeling sleepy

[21:31:26]

you are feeling sleepy you are under jagsph's command

[21:31:39]

<jagsph_>

you will donate 10,000 USD

[21:32:12]

<jagsph_>

Donating is not an option, its a way of life....

[21:32:18]

10,000 usd.... 10,000 usd

[21:32:23]

yes

[21:32:25]

donated

[21:32:37]

oh wait there is no underscore after jagsph?

[21:32:39]

uh oh

[21:33:01]

<jagsph_>

whos to say i dont have subliminal messages popping up from the power-management.sh script

[21:33:02]

well your evil twin has more resources now

[21:33:06]

heh

[21:34:16]

<Mcavity[A]>

evening

[21:34:29]

<Mcavity[A]>

I live! lol

[21:34:44]

<jagsph_>

Your right of refusal has been revoked.

[21:34:58]

<Mcavity[A]>

hu?

[21:36:21]

<jagsph_>

Referring to the subliminal thought process programming messages that are popping up on the screen via power-management.sh forcing donations in excess of 10,000 USB.

[21:36:26]

<jagsph_>

lol USB... USD

[21:36:28]

<Mcavity[A]>

jagsph_ I was playing with the new image [as of this morning] found 2 things 1. boot is not faster [after several reboots] and i cant get the IM client to run.

[21:37:29]

<jagsph_>

im client does not open at all?

[21:37:48]

<Mcavity[A]>

sends my brazilian dollars

[21:38:22]

<Mcavity[A]>

it gets to the console fast.. but lags out a few min loading x

[21:38:27]

<Mcavity[A]>

nope not at all

[21:39:14]

tried running it from terminal? ayttm

[21:39:21]

any error msg's

[21:39:30]

<jagsph_>

McCavity: Im counting x loading in 10-15 seconds after the console shows up..... the battery monitor has a sleep 20 to show up on the desktop.

[21:39:37]

<Mcavity[A]>

humm tried booting with it not pluged it.. it seems a bit faster.. but i havent timed it.

[21:39:53]

<jagsph_>

not calling you a liar :) im testing ayttm on the extracted userland now..

[21:40:05]

<Mcavity[A]>

ill try the terminal soon as it boots up

[21:40:08]

<jagsph_>

ill let u know if something fails

[21:40:23]

i removed it on mine in favor of pidgin/finch

[21:40:30]

never tested it

[21:40:40]

<Mcavity[A]>

if its fine on your end ill check my card and increase my linux swap

[21:40:40]

<jagsph_>

McCavity: did you reformat your partition before you extracted?

[21:40:53]

<Mcavity[A]>

yes

[21:41:01]

<jagsph_>

weird.... any errors in the tar process?

[21:41:10]

<Mcavity[A]>

not that i saw

[21:41:55]

jagsph_, ever thought about just using centerim instead? very nice console im client and works with the z2 screen quite well.

[21:42:04]

<jagsph_>

McCavity: could you test tar xjf in to some directory on your desktop? see if it gives an error.... I tested my .bz2 locally and got nothing. maybe i should make an md5 sum

[21:42:16]

supports aol/icq/mns/yahoo/jabber and irc

[21:42:32]

<jagsph_>

does it support mouse via terminal?

[21:42:53]

no. no need.

[21:43:11]

<jagsph_>

finch was just horrible in the terminal.... the shortcut keys to remember were ungodly

[21:43:22]

centerim is much nicer than finch

[21:43:29]

<jagsph_>

testing on desktop...

[21:43:37]

<Mcavity[A]>

deleteing stale lock file

[21:43:52]

<Mcavity[A]>

then seg fault when i try and run ayttm

[21:44:17]

<Mcavity[A]>

i think ill try another card

[21:44:30]

<Mcavity[A]>

after i eat =)

[21:45:34]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: centerim looks good

[21:45:49]

yea i love it. use it on most machines, even desktop

[21:46:40]

only reason i use pidgin is for the yahoo chat rooms (like irc)

[21:46:54]

<jagsph_>

facebook im and myspace im

[21:46:58]

eww

[21:47:37]

there is a reason i prefer to use m.facebook.com, no chat!

[21:47:39]

<Mcavity[A]>

well i would like face book as i have family there

[21:47:57]

i hate the chat and requests.. dont see that on mobile version

[21:48:01]

<jagsph_>

centerim is good im just wondering if its easy enough for anyone to use

[21:48:23]

hows it not easy? scroll to user, hit enter and chat

[21:48:29]

<jagsph_>

thats my big holdback on using console based applications when im trying to make this user friendly

[21:48:33]

<jagsph_>

you have to use ctrl keys

[21:48:33]

esc back to userlist

[21:48:36]

easy :)

[21:49:02]

i look at it this way, the typical linux user knows this already

[21:49:17]

a windows users should not be playing with a zipit

[21:49:19]

:)

[21:49:19]

<Mcavity[A]>

yea but this is for typical girlfriend lol

[21:49:43]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: it is for my girlfriend...

[21:50:05]

then put pidgin back on it :)

[21:50:19]

<jagsph_>

she got mad because lxde didnt pop open the dvd when she inserted it in my desktop

[21:50:31]

just copy your prefs config from desktop

[21:50:43]

and pidgin works fine

[21:50:53]

<Mcavity[A]>

if i go to op shell then ayttm i get gtk-warning cannot open display

[21:50:57]

<jagsph_>

i should build pidgin on oe so it doesnt have a million deps

[21:51:09]

<jagsph_>

Mccavity: export DISPLAY=:0

[21:53:01]

<Mcavity[A]>

creating perfs file.. might work

[21:53:09]

<Mcavity[A]>

blinky blinky

[21:57:27]

<jagsph_>

Mccavity: im downloading the userland from the server im going to see if i get any errors on it, and if i dont ill make a md5sum so you can verify it.

[21:58:45]

<jagsph_>

If i do ill upload it again with an md5sum

[21:59:21]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok aytty seems to be working now

[21:59:34]

What I miss?

[22:00:01]

ogmious09, everything :P

[22:00:44]

<Mcavity[A]>

yup i got into msn and people chattting away

[22:00:57]

<Mcavity[A]>

kb lights are on..

[22:01:36]

<jagsph_>

McCavity: what was wrong?

[22:01:49]

figures

[22:02:11]

<Mcavity[A]>

not suer last thing i did was drop to op shell and do the display thing you told me to

[22:02:38]

and then he got RickRolled

[22:02:57]

heh

[22:02:59]

<Mcavity[A]>

sings "never gona give you up!"

[22:03:13]

lol

[22:03:41]

jagsph's userland is just one big RickRoll prank on us all

[22:03:48]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[22:04:20]

I'm a little white guy with a Big black guy's voice....

[22:04:26]

You know the rules and so do I

[22:04:29]

Uh uh uh uh uh

[22:04:42]

<jagsph_>

wtf is this? haha

[22:04:50]

RickRoll

[22:04:56]

lol

[22:05:14]

never been RickRoll'd jagsph_

[22:05:59]

<jagsph_>

hes a choreographer ?

[22:06:26]

Lol, you must be a youngun

[22:06:36]

<jagsph_>

25

[22:07:07]

<jagsph_>

is your name bob, sysadmin for sco? 45?

[22:07:11]

<jagsph_>

:D

[22:07:24]

lol. It's a goofy 80's song but some guy made a prank out of it

[22:07:58]

<Mcavity[A]>

bla net is slow..

[22:08:00]

You'd click on a site and it would start flashing you got RickRolled with this annoying song playing and the video box would jump all over the place, so you couldn't close it

[22:08:10]

http://www.yougotrickrolled.com/ this explains it also

[22:08:43]

<Mcavity[A]>

http://www.kontraband.com/videos/21228/Christian-TV-Gets-Rick-Rolled/

[22:08:47]

<Mcavity[A]>

thats a classic

[22:08:56]

<jagsph_>

great it just got louder

[22:09:17]

crap I did just get Rickrolled

[22:09:27]

<jagsph_>

kind of irritating when your system is hooked to your surround receiver in the living room

[22:09:31]

lol

[22:10:11]

thats good stuff

[22:11:14]

<jagsph_>

i dont get it, is he faking singing that

[22:11:20]

jagsph_, no

[22:11:26]

its an 80's 1 hit wonder

[22:11:31]

OK, here is a real RickRoll site

[22:11:33]

www.thekickback.com/rickroll/rickroll.php

[22:11:41]

give it a shot you'll get the idea

[22:11:42]

it just became a joke a few years back

[22:11:52]

<jagsph_>

lol wtf.....

[22:12:00]

<jagsph_>

does it stop moving around?

[22:12:06]

try closing it

[22:12:18]

HA HA!! You got RickRolled

[22:12:22]

<jagsph_>

well its moving by itself

[22:12:32]

alt+f4 it

[22:12:47]

killall -9 :)

[22:13:02]

It was a very clever Joke with a song that we were all ashamed to admit we liked back in the 80's

[22:13:17]

<Mcavity[A]>

never gona give you up.. never gona let you done.. never gona stopp singing this stupid song..

[22:13:32]

<jagsph_>

did he really sing it. doesnt sound white

[22:13:40]

yes

[22:14:05]

jagsph_: yup and anorther guy like that is/was the lead singer of ub40 -- no way is he white :)

[22:14:20]

ub40 was the shitz

[22:14:31]

lots of bleach and tooth whitening cream smeared over his body..lol

[22:14:32]

<Mcavity[A]>

hehe

[22:14:44]

<jagsph_>

that was almost destructive but when you press space and click the X in the tab bar it closes without closing other windows

[22:14:59]

ok quick test for you all -- what is, was a UB40?

[22:15:04]

a band

[22:15:06]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: who cares

[22:15:21]

it's the dole id card you got in the uk in the 80s

[22:15:23]

or not band... a 'group'

[22:15:37]

and they were all on the dole when they started

[22:15:43]

I think the link I sent just made the page jump didn't play the song

[22:16:19]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: does this wallpaper make u laugh? http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4802/tuxonthetoiletwallpaper.jpg

[22:16:29]

woot bow down to my mega php skillz randomized backgrounds in my script now

[22:16:34]

<jagsph_>

probably makes all of you old 45+ year old farts cackle like hyenas

[22:16:58]

jagsph_: i don't clikc links in chat rooms unless i am on the wife's computer -- i don't care baout hers

[22:17:04]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis would wipe his ass any day with sco toilet paper

[22:17:23]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: i promise its just an image of penguin on the toilet, no tricks

[22:17:42]

heh

[22:17:53]

cant view it yet the Rickroll is still going

[22:17:58]

was worried it was goatse for a sec

[22:18:16]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: i have the goatse zip file of all the pics

[22:18:28]

<jagsph_>

showing how he inserted them over a period of 1 hour.

[22:18:30]

using Chatzilla so if I kill firefox I kill the irc window

[22:19:08]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: would you buy toilet paper from me for a premium if it said sco on every sheet?

[22:19:44]

jagsph_: nope i have better things to waste money on :) now if it said apple on it

[22:20:03]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: how about an apple logo, i might even do the rainbow one

[22:20:29]

<jagsph_>

Ill sell it to defcon for use in the restrooms

[22:21:09]

Hey....Wait a minute. Penguins don't poop!

[22:22:24]

How many hits do you think the Penguin Wikii just got?

[22:22:49]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis knows

[22:23:12]

<jagsph_>

is tux of negroid descent? or is he a half-breed?

[22:23:18]

no the shadow knows

[22:23:42]

Ever did the "How do you find Chuck Norris?" I'm feeling lucky google search?

[22:24:44]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis @ work http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_j-DUX_c9sAg/SBIJEOc2jMI/AAAAAAAAAso/3lv8Moszfcg/s400/African%2Bpenis%2Bgourd.jpg

[22:25:27]

<jagsph_>

how i feel right now: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/183524/693830.jpg

[22:25:27]

Sooner or Later every chat room comes down to a penis

[22:26:18]

it's a version of godwin's law -- it's either nazi's or penis's actually same difference

[22:26:35]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: have you ever played gestapo uno?

[22:26:51]

nope

[22:27:02]

<jagsph_>

thats where you take the blank cards they always give u draw a swastika with rainbow colors and call it draw 8

[22:27:02]

but i did watch inglorious basterds last night

[22:27:07]

It was all Down Hill once I mentioned RickRolled

[22:27:23]

<jagsph_>

ogmious09: you accept the blame?

[22:27:44]

Either I accept it now or it gets thrust on me later. This way it's my terms

[22:27:51]

he doesn't need to accept it, we are going to blame him anyway

[22:28:01]

see

[22:28:11]

everything from the battle of hastings, to the black death to well everything is his fault

[22:28:21]

<jagsph_>

omious09: You just mentioned the image of the penis, and now you use the reference to the word thrust as some sort of innuendo.

[22:28:32]

My greatest work was Erectile Dysfunction

[22:28:43]

Oh, look what I did there

[22:28:54]

Sandwiched you in a Penis related comments

[22:29:12]

Ahooooga

[22:29:39]

<jagsph_>

ogmious09: "sandwiched" "penis" just tell rkdavis what you want

[22:29:42]

<Mcavity[A]>

drat. cant change font size in ayttm

[22:29:54]

<jagsph_>

McCavity: ~/.gtkrc-2.0

[22:29:58]

oh bother

[22:30:00]

<jagsph_>

that holds the font settings

[22:30:06]

<jagsph_>

global font settings*

[22:30:34]

<Mcavity[A]>

yea i just wanted to change the font in ayttm

[22:30:58]

Bifocals aren't cutting it?

[22:31:00]

<Mcavity[A]>

but that settign seems.. missing.

[22:31:14]

<Mcavity[A]>

lol

[22:33:36]

<Mcavity[A]>

was looking at the ayttm docs and the setting for internal font size is not there. must be an older version.

[22:34:13]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: try downloading the .deb from squeeze repo or ports.ubuntu.com

[22:34:41]

Can't kick this 10 dollar a day Fabreze habit

[22:35:12]

<jagsph_>

ogmious09: whippets are better

[22:35:33]

<Mcavity[A]>

jagsph_ gona put the image on another sd card see how that goes

[22:36:00]

Figure out how to speed up SD access?

[22:36:22]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis says we need to move to kernel 2.0.30 with uboot

[22:36:37]

So we gotta beg to get that rolling?

[22:36:45]

wicknix?...........................

[22:36:57]

nope i said i think the sd card fix i.e. only ever use 1bit mode is not in the .30 kernel

[22:37:11]

jagsph_, actually doesnt the xserverrc script hold the font settings? you're running 70dpi

[22:37:14]

big difference as this way i am not responsible if i am wrong :)

[22:37:26]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: get an answer

[22:37:46]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: i set the gtk fonts extra low

[22:37:46]

jagsph_: ask GPSFan or marex or sweetlilmre if you see them :)

[22:37:55]

ogmious09, im only set up to build mipsel at the moment

[22:38:50]

There's no Can'ts in Team Mister

[22:39:02]

changing the dpi in X also affects gtk and other app fonts

[22:39:29]

lol ogmious09

[22:39:52]

in time maybe. i have more to do on the netbooks yet

[22:39:56]

Two Bush in a hand one bird in the rear and all that

[22:40:02]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: true. gtk is set to size 8 though

[22:40:08]

im just tossing out my suggestions to jagsph_ right now

[22:40:34]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: speed up sdcard access. now. i never see those people on you talk about.

[22:40:46]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: fix the sdcard speed

[22:40:52]

<jagsph_>

demands must be met.

[22:40:58]

buy a faster sd card..lol

[22:41:07]

it helps

[22:41:24]

im using sandisk II extreme

its fast

40some mb/sec write

vs typical 16mb/sec

so are you getting much faster red times in the user lands with your SD card

[22:42:57]

I was under the impression it was a limitation of the kernel

[22:43:00]

faster read and write

[22:43:04]

<jagsph_>

wicknix: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134991 can you look at that....

[22:43:19]

<jagsph_>

is this one too slow?

[22:43:44]

that's just a typical so yeah it'd be slow

[22:44:00]

wheres the read/write specs on it?

[22:44:13]

<Mcavity[A]>

heh thats what i have

[22:44:15]

<jagsph_>

i dont see it... someone said 4mbps

[22:44:18]

probably your average card

[22:44:23]

4? ouch!

[22:44:27]

no wonder its slow

[22:45:02]

<Mcavity[A]>

im gona try another one here in a sec

[22:45:35]

you know how the eeepc's had those slow SSD's? You upgrade to a faster one and then the machine flies

[22:45:37]

same thing here

[22:45:50]

remember your OS in ON the sd card

[22:45:51]

:)

[22:45:59]

rejected

[22:46:10]

<jagsph_>

when it says the class that is how many megabit it is?

[22:46:24]

nope

[22:46:32]

im not sure. sandisk lists the speed right on the card

[22:46:48]

<Mcavity[A]>

may pick up faster 2 gig tomorow

[22:46:58]

<jagsph_>

i see a class 6

[22:46:58]

class is just class it is an indiction of max write speed but it's not 2 = 2mb 4-=4mb

[22:47:09]

the only way to really tell is to do an hdparm

[22:47:41]

<jagsph_>

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171413

see? 30mb/sec

perve

;)

<Mcavity[A]>

http://www.frys.com/product/5683201?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[22:49:11]

<Mcavity[A]>

?

[22:49:38]

the class is supposed to be 2, 4 6 MBytes but that is minimum so a class 4 can be 400gazillion MB/s

[22:50:02]

Mcavity[A], probably standard speed for $10

[22:50:07]

<jagsph_>

http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/speed_class/

[22:50:34]

<jagsph_>

guaranteed transfer speed per megaBIT

[22:50:44]

class 2 is often too slow for the zipit when booting

[22:51:21]

class 4 is normally ok and class 6 is sometimes too fast for the zipit

[22:51:22]

<jagsph_>

i dont believe the megabytes... it seems like megaBIT

[22:51:35]

but different makes and different batches work differently

[22:51:40]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: how can 6 be too fast?

[22:52:14]

the zipit is too slow to recognise the card

[22:52:36]

Well only have to get up to 88 miles per hour Marty. Anything faster than that and your just Flies ass on the Window

[22:52:43]

have you ever had a known working sd card where the zipit still boots into the stock app until you do set defaults?

[22:52:45]

<Mcavity[A]>

wish it said on the card..

[22:53:02]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: i have a class 4 it could be faster...

[22:53:27]

that is what happens if the card is too slow or too fast because the class doesn't give an indication of burst speed

[22:53:38]

<Mcavity[A]>

class 4

[22:53:45]

<Mcavity[A]>

thats what mine is

[22:53:56]

<Mcavity[A]>

tiny text lol

[22:54:06]

the only way to really know if a card will work although 99% do is to compare the hdparm results to one that is known to work

[22:54:18]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171377

[22:54:46]

That's what she said

[22:55:22]

<jagsph_>

wont work in zipit... but http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208535 class 10

[22:56:03]

<jagsph_>

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208474 looks like the best option to try......

[22:57:14]

<Mcavity[A]>

might be to fast?

[22:57:14]

<jagsph_>

McCavity..........

[22:57:19]

<Mcavity[A]>

yes?

[22:57:24]

<jagsph_>

possibly...

[22:57:26]

<jagsph_>

i got an md5sum

[22:57:33]

<jagsph_>

372d8f53cefd0211d07e32b062ecea46 rootfs-hurricane-rc0.tar.bz2

[22:57:39]

<jagsph_>

check against yours

[22:58:07]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok soon as its finished extracting to the card

[23:00:22]

<jagsph_>

Command: STOR md5.txt

[23:00:23]

<jagsph_>

Response: 553 Disk space error. Please contact customer care: http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/contactu

[23:00:37]

<jagsph_>

heh.... i have unlimited space... their disk must be full

[23:02:59]

<Mcavity[A]>

jagsph_ unless its like att unlimited

[23:04:18]

<Mcavity[A]>

humm md5sum hangs

[23:04:20]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: i read the documentation, there is no limit..... no fine print

[23:05:24]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok new card

[23:05:29]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: md5sum takes a second to process...

[23:05:33]

<Mcavity[A]>

power on

[23:06:01]

<jagsph_>

well it only took 1 second on my system

[23:06:10]

<jagsph_>

$ md5sum rootfs-hurricane-rc0.tar.bz2

[23:06:10]

<jagsph_>

372d8f53cefd0211d07e32b062ecea46 rootfs-hurricane-rc0.tar.bz2

[23:06:45]

Great now my wife is mad at me

[23:07:36]

<jagsph_>

shouldnt have told rkdavis you want to penis sandwich him

[23:08:09]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok i typoed the filename

[23:08:25]

No, she got pissed because I told her sometimes Retarded people smell funny

[23:08:30]

<Mcavity[A]>

but same md5sum

[23:08:51]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: well thats good then :)

[23:09:01]

<Mcavity[A]>

your card is class 4?

[23:09:18]

<Mcavity[A]>

console

[23:09:24]

<Mcavity[A]>

blink..

[23:09:43]

<Mcavity[A]>

xdesktop

[23:09:46]

<jagsph_>

yeh, i have that kingston 8gb.... the 1gb that i use for making the image file seems faster

[23:09:47]

<Mcavity[A]>

ok faster

[23:10:13]

<Mcavity[A]>

and batt charge showing up on top

[23:10:28]

<Mcavity[A]>

kb lights still on.. i will unplug zipit

[23:11:00]

<jagsph_>

close the lid and open it

[23:11:20]

<jagsph_>

i must have forgot to disable them by default but that is easilly fixed

[23:12:20]

<Mcavity[A]>

yup

[23:12:24]

<Mcavity[A]>

that got it

[23:14:33]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: a quick fix would be to put echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.1/brightness & in /etc/z2.local

[23:15:01]

<jagsph_>

i need to modify the power-management.sh script to properly disable them on startup

[23:15:36]

<Mcavity[A]>

noi will now try instant messenger

[23:15:45]

<Mcavity[A]>

and it works

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but does Redtube work?

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<jagsph_>

ogmious09: do you want directions on how to use redtube?

[23:17:33]

lol

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<jagsph_>

:D cause it does work...

[23:17:52]

<jagsph_>

Would you like me to add a redtube icon to the desktop too?

[23:18:10]

nah

[23:18:28]

<jagsph_>

contact mozzwald to make a redtube search portal :)

[23:18:29]

believe it or not i try to stay away from that stuff

[23:18:49]

now hulu portal would be Awesome

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http://cgi.ebay.com/PQI-4GB-Micro-SD-High-Capacity-Micro-SDHC-Card-Class-6_W0QQitemZ150408678867QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDigital_Camera_Memory_Cards?hash=item23050e4dd3

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<jagsph_>

ogmious09: in your terminal $ mplayer "http://dl.redtube.com/467f9bca32b1989277b48582944f325afa3374/0000026/F6K9CB08A.flv/d5d2761cc21a8f6af74d69a5d6815050/4b66644e?start=0"

[23:19:51]

<jagsph_>

quick before the link disapears :)

[23:21:25]

<jagsph_>

dont worry its pretty pc for the first 2 minutes .... just showing it can be done on the Z2

[23:22:04]

<Mcavity[A]>

gotat have your porn on a 2 inch screen?

[23:22:42]

<jagsph_>

How many pervs would buy the thing if it could play redtube?

[23:22:56]

Now this one has a pretty good speed ratings

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http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211196

[23:23:03]

<jagsph_>

mcavity: you could also do it from telnet if you export DISPLAY=:0 first ;)

[23:23:27]

put mplayer into ascii mode and give it a whirl

[23:24:05]

<jagsph_>

yeh add -vo aa

[23:26:16]

<jagsph_>

ogmious09: I could script in a way to download youtube videos from the browser and convert to mp3

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Hey!!! HERE YOU GO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDJgpKvpCZQ&feature=related

[23:27:14]

<jagsph_>

Z2 PPD-RIAA (portable piracy device)

[23:29:20]

want to get usb functionality into this thing

[23:29:40]

hook a mini mous to it, maybe mount a touchpad to it

[23:29:45]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis will do it

[23:30:26]

chatzilla notifies me every time someone types my name

[23:31:08]

nope i turn off all sounds on the computer

[23:31:35]

and i actually ignore 99% of the time i am pinged too

[23:32:07]

let us put you on the payroll

[23:32:07]

<jagsph_>

:)

[23:32:40]

Bus Driver Fired For Duct-Taping Student A school bus driver on Long Island has been fired for using duct tape to silence an unruly student.

[23:33:04]

jagsph_: all pm's goto /dev/null

[23:33:16]

man when I went to school the teachers could take you in the hallway spank you with a wooden paddle

[23:33:18]

unless you know the secret password

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<jagsph_>

rkdavis: /notice doesnt

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jagsph_: it does if you block all new windows from opening

[23:34:18]

<jagsph_>

purple irc sounds like pidgin

[23:34:34]

yup it is

[23:34:57]

<jagsph_>

do you get ctcp notices?

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I know the password

[23:35:07]

Klaatu barada nikto

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jagsph_: not in a window i watch

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type this into firefox

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about:robots

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ogmious09, lol great movie

[23:36:50]

there are only two systems i monitor 24/7 my xmpp accounts and my skype account as they are family or business everything else has no focus and is ignored

[23:38:11]

I prefer the mention in Army of Darkness

[23:38:34]

that whole series pwned

[23:39:07]

wish they would hurry up and squat out the fourth before Campbell Strokes out

[23:39:15]

heh

[23:39:23]

Ashley Williams FTW

[23:39:27]

he cant stroke out... he's an old spice man now!

[23:39:44]

hes hungry like the wolf!

[23:39:53]

Was watching him on Burn Notice Last night. He could still rock out some

[23:40:31]

<jagsph_>

ogmious09: about:mozilla

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this!.. this is my BOOM STICK!

[23:40:50]

At My Shop, I have a security system I set up with an old Pentium 3 and Zoneminder. The alarm it plays when motion is detected on any of the cameras is "Hey there Spaghetti Chin!" You Want some!

[23:41:15]

yo she-bitch... lets go

[23:41:19]

Then if the door is opened during the alarm it plays "Go Ahead, Run Home to Momma!"

[23:41:46]

<jagsph_>

in firefox: chrome://browser/content/browser.xul

[23:41:51]

All courtesy of Ashley Williams

[23:41:56]

my old webserver had the sound bite " you shall diiiieeeeee" when you tried browsing to restricted directories

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