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Oxymis: because you haven't configured it yet? the screen is sideways? er the screen is smaller than the dimensions in the source code? er everyone hates you and wants to piss you off?

[09:53:06]

everyonehates me

[09:53:25]

i'm sure there are other reasons too but i'm leaning towards the latter with the added bonus of it's a conspiracy

[09:53:46]

the screen is right side up, but i dont get the desktop. plus its really slow

[09:53:55]

but i did figure out how to add swap

[09:54:01]

where did you get the compiled version from? apt repositories?

[09:54:05]

now ive got 256mb of swap

[09:54:08]

yes

[09:54:13]

ok that should be oodles

[09:54:25]

ok you might have to recompile from source then

[09:54:35]

i give up

[09:54:39]

ill go back to fluxbox

[09:54:42]

although lack of desktop seems to point to config files

[09:55:17]

well i dont have to use matchbox, do you suggest a desktop for the zipit?

[09:56:18]

well fluxbox is the default and there is dwm but you have to compile that from source

[09:56:45]

but lokichoas did start that but if he fiihsed it i don't know but the binaries are available although unknown state

[09:56:47]

someone said to use lxde, but that was way too heavy

[09:57:37]

but ive allready uninstalled matchbox

[09:57:54]

ok did you run matchbox-desktop

[09:57:59]

ok

[09:58:15]

i was just looking through the matchbox stuff, looks like it's about 3 progs at least

[09:58:34]

so i ran the wrong one?

[09:58:44]

With an X Server running and the DISPLAY environment variable set correctly, run matchbox desktop via; matchbox-desktop [options]

[09:59:06]

it looks like you run -launcher, -desktop and -panel

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to get everything

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im too lazy to do that

[09:59:29]

lol

[10:00:10]

heh

[10:00:38]

well you put it in the x startup script or in the wm startup script but ok

[10:01:13]

perhaps i should have been prepared to work before i tried this

heh

yep

http://xkcd.com/349/

exactly

what happens to me

yup i don't bother with upgrading or doing anything on the important computers until i have replicated them on a swap in computer -- just because i've been bitten too many ties althoguh 80% of the probs could have been fixed if i'd RTFM'ed

[10:21:58]

:)

[10:22:40]

hi guys, I'm planning to flash my zipit but I'm a little bit confused by the different precompiled kernels. is there an overview over the these kernels?

[10:25:44]

thats a question i should have asked before i installed

[10:26:42]

rkdavis doesnt like debian

[10:26:47]

but foxx does

[10:27:04]

iz2s is the least destructive

[10:27:13]

debian is heaviest, i believe

[10:27:22]

i dont know much about openembedded

[10:27:35]

talk to rkdavis or foxx they know about all this stuff

[10:31:28]

mitzekotze: well you really only have the choice of one upgrading kernel unless you want to upgrade the bootloader too (not for the fainthearted or those with only one zipit or those who aren't handy with a soldering iron and JTAG)

[10:31:29]

mhh but debian or any other userland image isn't linked to a special kernel or am I wrong?

[10:32:02]

mitzekotze: correct unless you want to use the .31+ mainline klernels

[10:33:21]

but the .29 doesn't care about the rootfs (userspace) although there are two choices to pre-compiled versions of that, with one having two more modules compiled for it although they should work on either kernel but YMMV)

[10:35:09]

of course IZ2S doesn't require any reflashing and there is a far amount of useful stuff. and it's probably the easiest to add specific s/w to (no writing of recipes or make files or anything, on the whole just ./configure, make

thats what i meant

Adnyxo: :)

:-P

ahhh okay I see, thanks rkdavis

[10:38:21]

np

[10:41:52]

'lo again Gnuet

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really your decision is based on what you want to do with the zipit, how many you have and how much risk you want to take. IZ2S == no risk, .29/debian/oe == slight risk, .30+/oe == more risk. and the choice of debian is debian == bloated, more apps available but alot broken or need recompiling, oe == leaner, not as many premade apps, but more hands on required

[10:47:39]

hey rkdavis can you help me again

[10:47:53]

fire away

[10:48:28]

i downloaded like five files from zipit.rootnexus.com

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theyre all image files

[10:48:41]

ok

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am i supposed to combine them, or install them seperatly or what

[10:49:11]

not sure -- they the ones on the site?

[10:49:12]

rkdavis: what do you mean with oe? is it a kernel?

[10:49:20]

probably different versions of the same image

[10:49:34]

mitzekotze: oe == openembedded/Angstrom

[10:49:36]

well theyre labeled part 1,2,3 etc.

[10:49:51]

Adnyxo: hmmmm

[10:50:14]

sound slike split archive so probably need joining then

[10:50:15]

ahh okay thx

[10:50:34]

okay how do i do that

[10:50:42]

i have ark right now

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Adnyxo: i would guess just concatinate them

[10:51:19]

i.e. cp part1+part2+part3....... while

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the ........ being continue with all the other parts

okay ill try tha

hold on

hold on

kk

they are .rar's

so just use unrar on the first archive and it'll do it all

[10:53:24]

and extract the whoole image

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cool

[10:53:41]

so sudo unrar (thenameoffile)

[10:53:55]

shouldn't need the sudo

[10:54:26]

i think it's unrar x Z2-JAG........part1.rar

[10:54:59]

did foxx give ya a copy of the image?

[10:55:12]

this is actually one place where a windows box and 7zip helps :)

[10:55:24]

uh oh

[10:55:28]

i got two errors

[10:55:36]

ok what are the errors

[10:55:52]

Z2-JAGSPH-SCRATCH-REV01-PRE.1GB.DD.IMG.bz2 - CRC failed

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Unexpected end of archive

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Z2-JAGSPH-SCRATCH-REV01-PRE.1GB.DD.IMG.bz2 : packed data CRC failed in volume Part3.rar

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i'm doing this from memory(guessing) as i haven't used unrar for a while

[10:56:12]

ok sounds like a d/l error then

[10:56:31]

okay ill re dl

[10:56:43]

be back for more help in about ten minutees lol

[10:56:54]

ok i'll d/l it too

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to check on if there are errors etc.

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looks like it'll be 8 mins here

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lucky

[10:58:26]

30 mins for all file

[10:58:38]

stupid bellsouth/ att

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<Gnuet>

dont blame them. deadslow host.

[11:03:10]

yup i'm probably hogging the downspeed :)

[11:03:19]

way to go rk

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<Gnuet>

not used to 100KiB/s ;D

[11:03:39]

<Gnuet>

more like 3MiB/sek

[11:03:53]

is verizon fios good

[11:03:59]

im thinking about upgrading

[11:04:30]

<Gnuet>

no idea, sitting on swedish 100/100 fiberoptic.

[11:04:47]

the us is behind in internet speeds

[11:04:57]

thats why im going to japan or south korea

[11:05:00]

lol

[11:05:23]

<Gnuet>

solid choice, japan.

[11:05:37]

plus, im Philipino

[11:05:41]

so i kinda fit in

[11:08:24]

ok it uncompresses ok here

[11:09:03]

now quit hogging the bw so i can get it!

[11:09:26]

yup have done

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btw he put the instructions for getting the image from the rar files on his webpage

[11:12:02]

Linux:

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rar x *part*1.rar

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bzip2 -d filename.bz2

oh my bad

np

still dling

mompls

mompls?

k i got it

ok i just tried the nexus guys image.. no go. dunno what happend.. but its not booting my zipit

[11:35:10]

I'llmess with it later

[11:35:30]

i hate dding stuff. I would rather just have the files.

[11:35:55]

yea same here

[11:36:10]

why not distribute a zip with the files and a script to make bootable?

[11:37:53]

bla

[11:43:16]

sorry was on the phone

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Adnyxo: yup but people without linux will have a bad time installing

[11:50:28]

would still be easyer than trying dd

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yup

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http://i.imgur.com/bnfvU.png lol

[11:57:14]

ok now its working

[11:57:33]

what was it?

[12:00:08]

i extracted it using physdiskwrite on my windows box as dd didnt work

[12:00:29]

k

[12:02:02]

im trying to dd now

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sudo dd if=/rootnexus.IMG of=/dev/sdb1

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but its not even asking me for my password

[12:03:00]

rkdavis help

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Adnyxo: you used sudo in the last few minutes?

[12:03:19]

yes

[12:03:24]

then it won't

[12:03:26]

its working interface is pretty

[12:03:29]

it still has it in the cache

[12:03:38]

so im just waiting now

[12:03:43]

ok

[12:03:55]

need to add power management options

[12:04:13]

there is a way to get a progress bar for dd but it's a teeny bit complicated and not worth it if it's just a couple of mins

[12:04:19]

yep

[12:04:30]

this feels like a flashback to installing debian

[12:05:36]

:)

[12:15:06]

<user_>

ok well this is not bad really

[12:15:36]

<mcavity-zippy>

not to shabby

[12:16:21]

<mcavity-zippy>

i think i may be able to work with it if apt works

[12:16:49]

mcavity-zippy: how fast does the interface feel?

[12:17:14]

<mcavity-zippy>

fast enough. its to laggy

[12:18:07]

<mcavity-zippy>

its not laggy

[12:18:32]

<mcavity-zippy>

its even pretty

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:)

[12:18:56]

everything opens /maximum/ ?

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i..e. none of the maximizing windows rubbish etc.

[12:19:22]

<mcavity-zippy>

so far so good. at least win included apps

[12:20:29]

<mcavity-zippy>

links works ok

[12:20:41]

<mcavity-zippy>

has a nice wifi script

[12:21:28]

it's using links and not dillo?

[12:21:39]

<mcavity-zippy>

yes

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mcavity-zippy: is it using the links.cfg file that was added to iz2s recently?

[12:22:06]

to squidge the images and change the font size?

[12:22:22]

<mcavity-zippy>

that i dont know

[12:22:38]

goto .links in the home directory

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and have a look at the cfg file

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oo im done lets see if it works

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<mcavity-zippy>

cant right now

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sorry html.cfg

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ok

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<mcavity-zippy>

good luck

[12:24:06]

uh oh solid cursor

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problem with sd card

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<mcavity-zippy>

bla

[12:24:34]

fml

[12:24:38]

lol

[12:27:01]

<mcavity-zippy>

more pokeing to do

[13:55:39]

hieveryone

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<Foxx>

fuck you san diego!

[13:55:57]

<Foxx>

I mean, Hi

[13:56:02]

lo

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lol*

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<Foxx>

(nobody ever catches that movie refrence)

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:-P

[13:57:55]

<Foxx>

whats up?

[13:58:56]

well - needed help on the key map - i have icewm installed and it doesnt do the keys right

[13:59:28]

<Foxx>

I have the same issue, but im still POST'ing, and cant recall much

[14:00:13]

ah o.k

[14:00:14]

<Foxx>

the keymap has always been a little funky because of how the hardware works

[14:00:33]

<Foxx>

one thing I would like... toggle alt-functions

[14:00:36]

<Foxx>

example

[14:00:37]

yea but my zipitthinks the q button is f1 lol

[14:00:44]

<Foxx>

if you need to type ASS

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<Foxx>

you have to hold the shift key with the left thumb, and reach over with the right thumb to hit the ASS keys

[14:01:28]

<Foxx>

id rather hit shift key, and it STAYS in the shift state for the next keypress

[14:01:36]

<Foxx>

or press it twice for caps lock

[14:01:39]

<Foxx>

same for alt

[14:01:42]

yea

[14:01:47]

<Foxx>

kinda' llike on cell phones

[14:01:54]

<Foxx>

I just dont know how to do that

[14:02:15]

<Foxx>

Im still sitting here amazed at the lil' LED i installed on my 2GB USB Necklace!

[14:02:23]

<Foxx>

Blink lil' activity LED! BLINK!

[14:02:33]

lol

[14:02:53]

<Foxx>

I kept yanking the drive out when it was writing, cause I didnt know

[14:03:11]

<Foxx>

backtracked the traces under the laque and found the pads for the activity LED

[14:03:14]

<Foxx>

wanna see?

[14:03:22]

o.k

[14:03:34]

<Foxx>

http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos#5430892119324782690

[14:04:23]

nice :-P

[14:04:31]

<Foxx>

looking at it its not all that *whatever* but the sheer smallness to it, and the fact that it looks stock... thats impressive

[14:04:40]

<Foxx>

damn LED was 1mm x 1.3mm

[14:04:46]

wow lol

[14:04:50]

<Foxx>

yeah!

[14:05:03]

<Foxx>

and I also have realyl bad nerves, I shake a lot and cant feel my fingers

[14:05:20]

<Foxx>

I was using a dental pick to move the LED around, and a fine tipped scalpel

[14:05:23]

<Foxx>

they were too big!

[14:05:31]

dang - well good job then!

[14:05:44]

lol

[14:05:52]

<Foxx>

the heat from the soldering iron was causing a gust of hot air that would push the thing out of place

[14:06:13]

<Foxx>

and that aint much!

[14:06:24]

brb - gonna eat

[14:06:36]

<Foxx>

bah, thats what I have a g/f for

[14:06:42]

<Foxx>

feeds me while im on the computer

[14:07:43]

<Foxx>

you know you have a keeper when your g/f feeds you while on IRC and will wait until you are done typing to get the next round of slop into your craw-hole so you dont get too distracted chewing

[14:17:49]

llmao

[14:18:17]

<Foxx>

you laugh... my friends get jealous of that

[14:18:31]

<Foxx>

and its amazing how easy chicks get jealous of technology

[14:18:40]

<Foxx>

but when it comes to sex toys, they get so addicted

[14:18:45]

<Foxx>

fucking hypocrates!

[14:19:02]

ok my computer isgonna shut downsoon - itsover heating and like thefan broke

[14:19:03]

lol

[14:19:15]

and my spacebar sucks lol

[14:19:31]

<Foxx>

its one thing to walk in on your g/f dry humping her best friends leg and you want in on some girl-on-girl action

[14:19:32]

<Foxx>

sure!

[14:19:51]

<Foxx>

but walk in on her with a vibrator and its like you just pilfered some little girls ass

[14:20:04]

omg...

[14:20:06]

<Foxx>

lol

[14:20:09]

lol

[14:20:13]

<Foxx>

sorry, I couldnt help it

[14:20:26]

-P

[14:20:49]

alright computer isgoing to shut down - be back soon

[14:20:51]

<Foxx>

I damn well know a few of the guys here are going to read that and think ".... yup"

[14:21:01]

lmao

[14:21:02]

<Foxx>

ill be lurking in the shadows for a bit

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k lol

[14:21:32]

your funny andcool foxx sorry we to a bad start before lol

[14:21:40]

got*

[14:22:01]

alright cya soon - i hate this fucking laptop

[15:16:22]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

hey can someone help bail me out

[15:16:25]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

rkdavis

[15:16:33]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

linux wise

[15:18:25]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

HELP

[15:19:43]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

i mounted an image to my home dir accidentally and it wiped all my files

[15:21:01]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

and im hoping theres a way to get them back.

[15:21:41]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

so

[15:24:44]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

idk what to do

[15:24:59]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

i know that was some major stupid on my part

[15:27:15]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

kk its all good

[15:27:24]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

just had to unmount the image

[15:27:37]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

but that was scarry for a second there

[15:28:24]

hello.

[15:28:52]

okay

[15:36:44]

now i need help with something else

[15:37:01]

what happening oxymis. ill see if i can help

[15:37:45]

an error occurred while avvesing Volume (ext3)', the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.UnknownFailure: Cannot obtain lock on /media/.hal-mtab

[15:38:02]

trying to read an sd card for a debian userland image

[15:40:48]

How are you trying to mount the image?

[15:41:00]

from the kde gui

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I would suggest doing it from the console. Troubleshooting the kde gui mounting utility you have might be a little bit more painful than typing out a few commands.

[15:41:56]

okay

[15:42:14]

so how should i go about that

[15:42:16]

Oxymis: I wrote directions on how to mount a debian image for the z2: http://zipit.rootnexus.org/

[15:42:31]

Basically if the disc image has multiple partitions you need to find the offset

[15:42:38]

oh are you the guy who made that image

of partition #1

yes.

lol i gave you $10

anyways

Hah. Cool. Thanks I appreciate it.

[15:43:31]

so about that

[15:43:37]

i got the image, and its mounted

[15:43:52]

now i just need to mount the ext3 sd card so i can copy the files

[15:44:37]

Ok. So do you have 2 partitions on the sd card. One ext3 and one swap?

[15:44:42]

yep

[15:44:47]

256 megs swap

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and the rest of a 2 gig card ext3

[15:46:10]

So we are just having a problem mounting the sdcards ext3 partition? but the image is mounted ok?

[15:47:45]

Im trying to make sure I understand exactly where you are so far.

[15:49:08]

yes thats it

[15:51:34]

if you know the device name of your sdcard ext3 partition mount it to a location on your filesystem; for me i have this set up. mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard1

[15:53:17]

I dont know your skill level so if you need help locating the device name dont worry, ill walk you through any of the steps you need to get there.

[15:53:54]

its dev/sdb

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sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/media

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mount: you must specify the filesystem type

[15:54:37]

mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media/media <--- you want to put the 1 to specify partition #1

[15:57:01]

cool its working

[15:58:17]

Awesome. If you get stuck again ill be here for a little bit. Just let me know.

[15:59:25]

While you are at it make sure you created the swap file system: mkswap /dev/sdb2

[16:00:30]

If you run out of swap or the swap isnt created properly the system will spiral down the bottomless rabbit hole

[16:04:52]

I posted 2 Videos of the userland in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uriqayPnAI <part1 ----- part 2>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWSANPBQt8I

[16:06:06]

Shortcut key ctrl+":)" ctrl+(escape) pops open the task manager

[16:19:43]

jagsph: very nice pity it's debian :)

[16:20:48]

rkdavis: if i had enough cpu cycles to spare i would oe the whole thing

[16:21:24]

very neat though. might want to see if you can resize the widgets though

[16:22:31]

rkdavis: I resized a lot of different options through .gtkrc-2.0 which widgets are you talking about and how do u know how.

[16:22:51]

the buttons and menu bars etc

[16:23:20]

not really other than it's in the gtkrc-2.0 themes stuff

[16:23:28]

Oh. The menu bars on the filemanager? I had those so small you couldnt see them before. I made them larger so they would be readable.

[16:23:43]

gtk-icon-sizes="gtk-large-toolbar=8,8:panel-menu=8,8:gtk-button=8,8:gtk-dialog=8,8:gtk-menu=8,8:gtk-small-toolbar=8,8:panel=8,8"

[16:24:19]

you could probably try removing some of the padding in the widgets

[16:24:51]

i find that i spend half my time dealing with padding in tktcl apps

[16:24:51]

I had a problem with the "saving files" area of gtk applications I cant seem to get the drop down boxes to shrink. they just dont give enough room.

[16:25:07]

rkdavis: how do i remove the padding?

[16:25:09]

the defauft look yukky on a small screen

[16:25:34]

probably in the themes

[16:25:54]

i thought you might know a specific option.

[16:26:00]

jagsph: that's links?

[16:26:04]

yes

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jagsph: for gtk nope

[16:26:18]

but let me finish my cerael

[16:26:43]

xlinks2 /home/user/.links2/start-page/search.html -html-user-font-size 13 -fake-user-agent "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 176x220)" -html-bare-image-autoscale 1 -dither-images 0 -dither-letters 0 -menu-font-size 11 -force-html -html-tables 1 -html-frames 1 -aspect-on 1 -html-auto-refresh 1

[16:26:53]

I passed all of those options to xlinks to get it to look like that.

[16:26:54]

using the html.cfg from er well the html.cfg that lowers the size of the images and font?

[16:27:49]

well... .xserverrc has exec /usr/X11R6/bin/X -br -audit 0 -dpms -dpi 70

[16:27:54]

-dpi 70

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http://hostwork.com/users/matt/zipitz2/dot.links/html.cfg

[16:29:29]

basically the same just in the .cfg file. one of the options scales every image to the size of the window

[16:32:32]

I wasnt really following the .cfg file rule. Since I had created a .apps folder with the .desktop files in it I had been passing arguments through those launchers.

[16:33:27]

k

[16:34:04]

Im going to test that config file it looks like a couple of those options might be beneficial.

[16:34:09]

ugh on hold on the phone :(

[16:35:31]

with that google fits with almost no scroll bars :)

[16:36:06]

the standard google? I was passing the --fake-user-agent to get mobile web sites by default

[16:37:38]

And on google search when you search from the start page it tells google to format for mobile.

[16:37:39]

yup standard google

[16:38:49]

on mine with classic its got about 1/4 screen of scrolling on google classic

[16:39:29]

there is a tiny scroll bar but never need to use it to do searches

[16:40:11]

yeh i like what the html.cfg did. it shrunk the google image to fit nicely

[16:40:23]

it's that top few rows of input at the top that ruin it

[16:40:44]

dunno where the rows of input come from though

[16:41:35]

yeh thats weird.

[16:41:42]

gmail works in basic html mode

[16:44:09]

i wish i could workout where they comefrom as i can't see anything in desktop browsing that could cause them although haven't tried links on the desktop in graphics mode to do much testing

[16:45:26]

its a little frustrating. thats why i prefer to use mobile sites on links2

[16:45:59]

yup

[16:46:25]

rkdavis: ive been working on this http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/battery-daemon.txt

[16:47:13]

I wanted to integrate it into .xinitrc to warn the user about a low power condition and shut down when the power gets low to prevent any damage to the filesystem

[16:47:31]

if you look in the openzipit svn repostitory you'll see the a basic battery level app in there , it doesn't need any extra libs so you could probably use that

[16:47:52]

well no extra libs you don't have at least

[16:48:21]

for sure with debian hah. now which repository are we talking about? the one from sourceforge?

[16:48:59]

well it was used in debian once but i think it got removed as there was a debian app to do it but i think it was a sucky one

[16:49:48]

http://openzipit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openzipit/oe/zipit2/recipes/battlevel/battlevel/

[16:49:48]

as far as i was aware they were all integrated into the system tray with gnome or xfce

[16:50:24]

i think i see it in the zipit2 recipes on my oe

[16:52:00]

time to apt-get install build-essentials

[16:52:35]

yup it is in there if you grabbed them more recently than 8 months ago

[16:52:50]

grabbed it last week.

[16:57:38]

rkdavis: did you see my post about playing youtube videos?

[16:57:52]

mplayer `youtube-dl -g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bISJ2zi1zQ`

[16:58:44]

jagsph: nope

[16:59:01]

but i'll have to check it out

[17:11:07]

I'm running IceWM and z2mouse-latest on a Z2. I'm having trouble getting it to toggle mouse mode with the Option key.

[17:12:47]

FiftyOneFifty: z2mouse-latest isn't a toggle mode version iirc

[17:16:28]

rk: I've had it working that way. First IceWM session it worked, next time I couldn't get it to work. Last time it finally worked, this time it doesn't. Holding ESC doesn't work.

[17:17:12]

ok i wasn't sure as the toggle mode was added and taken away and added a few times

[17:17:31]

is it running in the background?

[17:18:11]

FiftyOneFifty: sorry to jump in. have you tried calling it from .xinitrc instead of fluxbox startup? /bin/z2mouse-latest &

[17:18:18]

it might be that the mouse emulator isn't compatable with the events that icewm responds too or icewm is not respecting the events that the mouse generates

[17:18:38]

and jagsph is probably right too

[17:19:45]

Is z2mouse running in the background? Do I need to start it before startx each time?

[17:20:17]

yup it needs to be running in the background

[17:21:05]

That explains it. Can I launch it in .profile or does that only work with the gui

[17:22:10]

well it only works in X anyway but it can do strange things in console but those are happening less and less

[17:22:31]

not sure with the last version but some early versions sort of worked in console but it was a side effect

[17:23:03]

OK, I can put it and startx in a bash script

[17:35:32]

rk, jagsph: That did it, I made a script to start the mouse emulator and then the GUI. Thanks

[17:37:19]

<Reddog^>

so is anyone participation in todays wootoff?

[17:38:21]

has the BOC gone yet?

[17:39:52]

<Reddog^>

boc?

[17:40:57]

<Tomoe>

How are you gentlemen!

[17:42:02]

<Tomoe>

zipit z2 - you plug the charger in and the keyboard background turns on immediately but the z won't turn on

[17:42:08]

<Tomoe>

what does that mean? =P

[17:42:45]

RedDog: Bag of Cr*p, there is usually one briefly in the monthly wootoff

[17:43:51]

<Reddog^>

ahh, duh.. and haven't seen it

[17:44:54]

According to http://www.bagsofcrap.com/past-items/wootoff-items.html it's still out there

[17:45:07]

rkdavis: I have something auwful.... :an ubuntu-armel userland that im uploading. Its not configured for the Z2...its for my android phone.

[17:47:48]

<Tomoe>

anyone with a hint? I just bought this zipit and was looking forward to playing with it =(

[17:48:43]

Tomoe: http://zipit.rootnexus.org

[17:49:46]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uriqayPnAI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWSANPBQt8I

[17:49:50]

Tomoe: depends on what you want to do with it but as jagsph says why not try that setup

[17:50:40]

<Tomoe>

mm

[17:51:16]

<Tomoe>

looks to me like you skipped over my previous line but maybe I'm wrong?

[17:51:19]

<Tomoe>

[14:42] < Tomoe> | zipit z2 - you plug the charger in and the keyboard background turns on immediately but the z won't turn on

[17:51:32]

Tomoe: I missed that

[17:52:25]

<Tomoe>

I'm guessing it got bricked somehow and the only way is to flash through serial

[17:52:30]

I have no idea. It sounds like its dead?

[17:52:37]

<Tomoe>

heh

[17:52:55]

Tomoe: you did a kernel upgrade?

[17:53:15]

<Tomoe>

I didn't do anything, bought it off ebay

[17:53:19]

<Tomoe>

it arrived today

[17:53:38]

ok it might have been bricked thus why it was sold on eaby

[17:53:45]

but lets go through some tests

[17:53:52]

<Tomoe>

ok

[17:53:57]

<Tomoe>

thanks for helping =)

[17:54:01]

there is no image on the screen at all?

[17:54:06]

<Tomoe>

yes, black screen

[17:54:09]

If its not the kernel upgrade it could be something ridiculous like a half-way plugged in battery. Faulty power button... or like rkdavis says. someone bamboozled you...

[17:54:19]

no blue and white face or tuz graphics?

[17:54:22]

<Tomoe>

nothing

[17:54:48]

ok the keyboard lights up though? immediatly or after a few seconds?

[17:54:59]

<Tomoe>

immediately I think

[17:55:02]

<Tomoe>

let me go and check

[17:55:05]

ok

[17:55:33]

<Tomoe>

immediately

[17:55:53]

ok you've pressed the reset a few times i assume

[17:55:58]

<Tomoe>

yes

[17:56:05]

and pulled the battery?

[17:56:05]

<Tomoe>

even held it for cca 30 secs =P

[17:56:07]

<Tomoe>

yes

[17:56:24]

ok tried it plugged into the mains but without it's battery installed?

[17:56:28]

<Tomoe>

yes

[17:56:32]

<Tomoe>

same thing happens

[17:56:33]

rkdavis,Tomoe: Just to be clear, the reset button on the side you push with a pin not the power button.

[17:56:36]

it's sounding like a brick

[17:56:42]

<Tomoe>

jagsph: yes

[17:57:10]

<Tomoe>

rkdavis: flashing over serial is the only possible solution?

[17:57:23]

but whether it's a kernel flash brick or bootloader brick i'm not sure but i'm leaning towards kernel

[17:57:35]

if it's a kernel brick then serial mod required to fix

[17:57:47]

if it's a bootloader brick then it needs jtag

[17:57:56]

<Tomoe>

blah

[17:57:58]

<Tomoe>

ok

[17:58:03]

<Tomoe>

thanks again rkdavis

[17:58:19]

Tomoe: can i ask the username of the ebay seller?

[17:58:47]

<Tomoe>

hold on

[17:58:57]

Tomoe: URL to the listing even.

[17:59:12]

thnx, probably won't happen to anyone else but i'd like to get a warning into the logs

[17:59:37]

and the name is probably not a name we see in here (at least i hope not) but....

[18:00:01]

<Tomoe>

cats_babyblue_0

[18:00:19]

<Tomoe>

he/she has 100% positive feedback over 362 feedbacks

[18:00:24]

ok doesn't sound like a person in here :)

[18:00:54]

<Tomoe>

other than the general description of the device, this is what the auction had to say:

[18:00:57]

<Tomoe>

This unit has been opened but never used.Was a gift and never used. The book does have writing on the back page, everthing else is as original as it was new.

[18:01:01]

<Tomoe>

ANY QUESTION FEEL FREE? GOOD LUCK!!!

[18:01:13]

Tomoe: i'll give the benefit of the doubt to them atm but it does sound liek a brick, there are a fe wother possilities but none or good

[18:02:00]

<Tomoe>

any point in trying to do a flash update with z2script.sh?

[18:04:57]

Tomoe: i dont think it could hurt to try...but i wouldnt get your hopes up

[18:05:07]

<Tomoe>

ah, it's not a flash update actually it seems, sorry

[18:05:24]

Tomoe: what about led's on the front of the zipit

[18:05:25]

Tomoe: If you can't return it or fix it, Barranco on this channel was looking for a replacement battery yesterday

[18:05:28]

both green?

[18:07:22]

<Tomoe>

both off

[18:07:57]

<Tomoe>

they are at the front on the left side of the dark bar, right?

[18:10:10]

<Tomoe>

nothing lit there

[18:10:38]

yup

[18:10:53]

<Tomoe>

what does that tell you?

[18:10:58]

nothing lit there at all even if you pull the mains plug and replug it in?

[18:11:22]

<Tomoe>

you mean if they blink shortly when z is replugged?

[18:11:35]

<Tomoe>

with battery still in?

[18:11:37]

they should be solid

[18:12:01]

but try looking to see both with and without the battery

[18:12:05]

<Tomoe>

if battery's inside taking the charger plug out or in doesn't affect anything

[18:12:25]

yes it does as far as the leds are concerned

[18:12:31]

when it's charging it's amber

[18:12:57]

<Tomoe>

ok, let's check it

[18:13:05]

and there are other things that we can guess form them, i want to make sure that the thing is doing what it is supposed to

[18:13:17]

because it could be something stupid like a broken lcd

[18:13:59]

it is almost certainly a bbad flash but lets just see if we can find out something you can shout at the seller with :)

[18:14:09]

Tomoe: does it make that stupid "ZIPIT!" whisper when you turn it on?

[18:14:39]

jagsph: yeah that is really annoying :)

[18:15:01]

rkdavis: lol. that would be a good way to tell if the screen is dead

[18:15:28]

if he does hear that then there is a good chance we can reserect it

[18:15:41]

<Tomoe>

leds stay dark all the time

[18:15:53]

Tomoe: that's not a good sign

[18:16:08]

<Tomoe>

and there's no actual turning on

[18:16:19]

bewcause it should show at least one green or amber one at all times in your situation

[18:16:34]

amber if it is trying to charge

[18:16:40]

<Tomoe>

immediately when the charger is plugged in the keyboard backlight comes on

[18:16:46]

green is it'll fully charged and running off the mains

[18:17:23]

yup plugging in the mains plug is almost the same as pressing the power button

[18:18:33]

<Tomoe>

that's without the battery in tho

[18:18:52]

<Tomoe>

when the battery's put in, the same thing happens - keyboard backlight on and no response

[18:19:03]

ok i just checked with mine

[18:19:04]

<Tomoe>

only response is to the reset button

[18:19:24]

the keyboard lights up and then unlights until it gets passed the smile face

[18:19:36]

<Tomoe>

when the backlight turns off

[18:19:38]

<Tomoe>

hm

[18:19:42]

i.e. the same as yours does but withotu the smaile face

[18:20:02]

<Tomoe>

so mine fails in the very beginning of the booting process

[18:20:03]

i'm goign to say bad kernel flash

[18:20:08]

yup

[18:20:19]

it might be a bad bootloader flash but i doubt it

[18:20:20]

<Tomoe>

you don't think it's the bootloader?

[18:20:23]

<Tomoe>

eh

[18:20:24]

<Tomoe>

ok

[18:20:50]

probably not the bootloader because then they'd be one of about only 30 people who have done a bootloader upgrade

[18:21:17]

and dpending on the bootloader used the led's and kb would act slightly different

[18:21:37]

so unless there is also broken h/w a serial port mod should fix it

[18:22:19]

of course normal disclaimers apply but i'd say 99% chance it's bad kernel flash

[18:22:54]

<Tomoe>

ok

[18:22:55]

<Tomoe>

thanks

[18:23:07]

<Tomoe>

I'm gonna pop with that accusation at the seller and see what comes out

[18:23:57]

ok

[18:24:12]

does it look like it has been opened?

[18:24:22]

it's very hard to open it up without leaving a mark

[18:24:43]

even harder to put back together without leaving a mark too :)

[18:26:57]

<Tomoe>

nope

[18:26:58]

<Tomoe>

no signs

[18:27:27]

ok looking at their other auctions i's all jewellery and pottery

[18:28:17]

i'd give them the benefit of the doubt to at least see what they say about it being DOA

[18:29:45]

<Tomoe>

blah

[18:30:03]

?

[18:30:16]

<Tomoe>

just general 'blah' at not being able to play now =P

[18:30:25]

ah ok

[18:30:34]

<Tomoe>

anyways I think I'm gonna leave it at this for the night and go to sleep

[18:30:39]

night

[18:30:43]

<Tomoe>

thanks for the help again, rkdavis

[18:30:45]

<Tomoe>

night

[18:30:48]

np

[18:30:55]

hope oyu get it sorted soon

[18:31:21]

That sucks.

[18:35:20]

hi im back :-P

[18:36:13]

hi fifty -did you get the keymap working?

[18:36:51]

rkdavis - are you on? i need help with the keymap - it doesnt work for me when i startx

[18:37:24]

barranco: give me a sec i just need to dish up dinner

[18:37:24]

I did, I suppose it's normal for the top row of alphanumerics not to work in mouse mode?

[18:38:01]

so when iexit mouse mode - i an input the letters?

[18:38:01]

FiftyOneFifty: depending on which ver of the mouse then they could be fkeys

[18:38:28]

rkdavis my version has the fkeys :-(

[18:38:43]

http://imagebin.ca/view/xN6coF.html that is pretty much the keymap image for using z2mouseemu an

[18:39:18]

OK - In typing mode, the Alt number keys don't seen to work in a Dillo

[18:39:36]

Hey anyone see this guy has a release now? I think I am going to donate myself. http://zipit.rootnexus.org/

[18:40:07]

ogmious09: :) he's sitting about 6 chairs away from you

can't count

omg he released it!

lol

ok 9 chairs

well if he's here he can speak better thna me but it looks to be an alpha version

[18:40:55]

ogmious09: jagsph is the dev for it

[18:41:07]

lol no i meant I can't count rkdavis

[18:41:09]

im gonnatry to install it

[18:41:56]

Feeling braver than the other day huh Barranco

[18:42:46]

yea lol

[18:42:54]

jagsph: When it's ready, can I put your distro on another card and run it w/o flashing the ZipIt?

[18:43:11]

its just looks so dang sweet

[18:44:06]

FiftyOneFifty: No. You need to be running the flashed kernel 2.2.29. There isnt any way of getting around it that I know of.

[18:44:40]

OK

[18:45:06]

wow - 5 part download :-/

[18:45:08]

Actually, as soon as the real zipitwireless.com developers open up their hardware....

[18:45:57]

gonna take while to download - o well

[18:46:22]

barranco: I can post a .tgz that would be a lot smaller. Of just the filesystem. I figured people would want an image.

[18:46:31]

jag: I mean is it the same Linux kernel as OpenZipIt, not the stock kernel. So I could run OZ from one SD and your distro from another.

[18:47:16]

jagsph - its o.k im already downloading it

[18:47:47]

Is there way to type numbers in the gui? I'm not getting ALT key combos in either mouse mode.

[18:48:18]

Yes. Its not a special kernel. Its the same kernel used with Aliosa's debian image/OpenZipit <--spelling?

[18:48:39]

jag: cool

[18:48:54]

I had to download the keymap and put this in .xinitrc xmodmap /etc/keymap.map

[18:49:01]

I'll have to look for deals on SD's

[18:49:28]

FiftyOneFifty: newegg.com has 8gb cards for $20

[18:49:39]

jagsph - its aawsome userland- just by looking at the screen shots - thanksfor making it -we are all thankfu!

[18:50:02]

about 8 minutes to i can download it!!

[18:50:13]

i mean to its downloaded

[18:50:29]

no wait 3 minutes

[18:51:02]

cant wait to test it out haha

[18:51:34]

jagsph - what window manager does it use?

[18:51:36]

barranco: You're welcome. The goal of the project is to demonstrate some uses of the device, and make it easy to use. I bought the Z2 for my woman so she could have a portable NES/Gameboy emulator.

[18:51:50]

barranco: matchbox, with rox-filer

[18:51:57]

wow nice!

[18:52:06]

i like rox filer

[18:52:52]

I didnt list it, but there is a shortcut key " [...] + :) " ctrl+esc. that brings up the task manager.

[18:52:53]

btw - it does look very simple to use - does it have a network setup gui - or do i have to go to the prompt?

[18:53:23]

barranco: it has a text based shell script gui with limited wpa support.

[18:53:44]

shell script text based and gui dont really go together. but thats what it is.

[18:54:10]

o.k thats fine

[18:54:55]

im kinda pissed though - cause my laptop sucks- i broke the fanfor it - and its gonnaover heat soon and shut off

[18:55:08]

Its easy enough for a girl who doesnt know what a command prompt is to use. This has been proven and test :)

[18:55:22]

test=tested*

[18:55:24]

so might not want to try to install to memory card yet

[18:56:09]

barranco: i recorded a demo on my phone of the userland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uriqayPnAI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWSANPBQt8I

[18:59:28]

Great I happen to be as simple as a girl with no command prompt experience

[18:59:59]

How'd you break the fan Barranco?

[19:00:39]

<Foxx>

pubic clog?

[19:01:30]

ogmious09: The whole thing was set up for entirely for my significant other. She was my test subject. Anything she doesnt like I change. The only thing is, I dont think she could install it on the device :(

[19:01:36]

Licking the Fan Grill?

[19:02:03]

jag: BTW, thanks for the tip on seting up the keymap, I knew it belonged it there somewhere

[19:02:04]

<Foxx>

ive refused to do repair peoples laptops due to "sexual disgust"

[19:02:14]

When I was younger I once stuck my finger into a cpu fan and broke a blade off.

[19:03:26]

Use to work for the Company that did all the Laptop repairs for Bestbuy. Was in charge of the line. We used to fix over a thousand laptops a day. Personally I would fix 13-15 laptops a day and supervise the other 44 techs

[19:03:45]

All the way down to component level repair on the motherboards

[19:03:56]

<Foxx>

Im my own boss, and my own bitch

[19:04:06]

<Foxx>

I do similar work

[19:04:08]

Point being. I have seen some serious sickness on laptops

[19:04:15]

<Foxx>

ditto

[19:04:34]

<Foxx>

some pedophile smashed his HDD, his wife brought the thing to me to get fixed

[19:04:37]

<Foxx>

yeeeeeeah

[19:04:47]

I did it for 4 years, we were the only repair facility for Best Buy and Toshiba Corporate Line

[19:04:47]

<Foxx>

glad he doesnt live in my area anymore

[19:05:02]

ogmious09: isnt that a privacy violation to go beyond the scope of the repairs and look at their pictures?

[19:05:02]

<Foxx>

im more like the Ghostbusters

[19:05:23]

<Foxx>

when the shit has hit the fan, who ya' gonna call? me

[19:05:54]

Guy sent his in one time for disfunctional keyboard, we opened the lid and it came out of hibernate with a porno playing and the liquid spilled on the keyboard was semen

[19:05:54]

<Foxx>

I was proud I was able to repair the HDD PCB damage and recover the data from that drive

[19:06:03]

<Foxx>

on the other hand....

[19:06:30]

<Foxx>

ugh, lets not even get into this topic! lol

[19:06:57]

The worse were cockroach infested laptops. Open em up and a hundred of the buggers go scurring everywhere

[19:07:18]

<Foxx>

and the smell

[19:07:28]

<Foxx>

I have a keen nose, I know when someone has a roach/rat issue

[19:07:32]

<Foxx>

or smokes

[19:07:36]

ogmious09: did you tell him after analyzing the liquid you determined the damaged to be caused by a large amount of ejaculation overspray which seeped into the electronics and fried his keyboard

[19:07:36]

Like I said over a thousand laptops a day came in from all over the country and all over the world for Toshiba Corporate

[19:07:37]

<Foxx>

pot/cigars.etc

[19:08:10]

<Foxx>

I dont see that much work, but a lot of it is pretty severe

[19:08:10]

No, took it to customer service and we sent it back to the Original Best Buy store as repair not covered under warranty due to sexual abuse

[19:08:20]

<Foxx>

LOL

[19:08:20]

<Foxx>

nice

[19:08:30]

<Limp_Trizkit>

sexual abuse

[19:08:31]

<Limp_Trizkit>

lol

[19:08:44]

So it said that on his invoice? lol

[19:09:16]

Under law there wasn't anythign we could do when the laptops came in with Kiddie porn so we would format the drive since data is not covered under warranty

[19:09:37]

Yep, said on there for EVERYONE at bestbuy to see. I know the counter clerk had to read it off to the customer at pickup too

[19:09:38]

"Sir, we were unable to warranty your laptop, sexual abuse is not covered sir."

[19:10:19]

barranco: How do I clean exit from IceWM, can't find it in menu

[19:10:43]

never understood why someone would buy a brand new 1200 laptop and use it as a coaster. Literally thousand would come in with liquid damage

[19:10:56]

FiftyOneFifty: # icewm -exit ?

[19:11:32]

A lot of window managers have an exit command.

[19:11:59]

jag: I was hoping they had provided a cleaner solution than opening a terminal

[19:12:00]

Also got into repairing GE medical Power Supplies that were millspec. ZERO failure tolerance. They were using these during surgeries

[19:12:56]

FiftyOneFifty: Thats a custom option. You have to make your own menu hah. I really dont know.

[19:13:30]

In ICEWM there is a log off option at the bottom of the menu that you can choose shutdown from isn't there?

[19:15:19]

Must not me enough room on the screen, didn't see a way to scroll down. As far as -exit, I need to go back and install that keymap, I didn't have a hyphen. I used reset

[19:16:25]

kill -9 `ps ax | grep icewm | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $1}'`

[19:16:51]

That is probably the most complicated way to kill it

[19:17:35]

Again requires "-", I'll fix keymap before I go back in.

[19:17:55]

type top

[19:18:01]

locate process of icewm

[19:18:10]

press k... enter pid... signal 9

[19:18:31]

That would work too

[19:34:28]

jagsph - i put the image on the memory card

[19:34:36]

and gonnaboot it now :-D

[19:37:01]

wow it looks so sexy on the zipit!

[19:40:18]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

where did the rootnexus guy go?

[19:40:50]

i dunno

[19:41:01]

but i have it running and its great

[19:41:30]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

i wanted to ask him some questions, since i donated and all

[19:41:38]

oo

[19:41:46]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

0o

i got to go

bye

im here.

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

ah hey

[19:42:34]

just trying to find optimal settings for a youtube player for the z2

[19:42:42]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

epic win

[19:43:00]

You are using it?

[19:43:00]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

but i heard google is moving to html5 with some vids

[19:43:10]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

no, im wanting it

[19:43:20]

I meant the userland...

[19:43:50]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

so instead of needing flash, any browser that supports it can play vids

[19:43:58]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

no, not yet

[19:44:23]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

im not at home, but once i get there the cp should have finished

[19:44:42]

Well mplayer will play the youtube video, and youtube_dl will give mplayer the URL it needs to play the movie.... So... this would play a video that would play on the Z2 mplayer -zoom -ao oss -framedrop -vfm ffmpeg `youtube-dl -m -g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W47NAhGME4`

[19:45:06]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

so ill be baxk in about 40 hopefully using your image

[19:45:10]

Cool. let me know how it works for you...

[19:45:47]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

well if html5 works and people use it, all videos could use the same standards like images

[19:46:10]

Well. The whole problem is adobe.

[19:46:20]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

thats what i mean

[19:46:27]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

no more flash player

[19:46:37]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

just build it into the html

[19:46:44]

You dont need 3000mhz to play a high def video... their stupid embedded player ruins everything.

[19:47:11]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

i believe it

[19:47:44]

I have a 300mhz X86 laptop that can play the standard youtube videos just fine when I bypass the flash player.

[19:47:44]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

f adobe and their crap player

[19:48:12]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

so why all the bloat?

[19:48:24]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

id really love streaming on the zipit

[19:48:43]

Either they are bad programmers, or its intentional to sell more pc's and hardware

[19:48:47]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

i bought it for social networks and internet media

[19:49:12]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

id say that dell and the likes want to sell more pcs

[19:49:49]

the z2 can play youtube videos. im playing one on it right now streaming over the internet.

[19:50:19]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

as soon as i get youre image ill start working on that

[19:51:34]

Its just a little difficult to use when you have to paste the URL. So I either need to produce some sort of script to search for videos and then play them... Or find some way to get the URL from links browser.

[19:52:01]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

i like links much better than dillo

[19:52:38]

links2 does have better rendering support.

[19:53:07]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

and its lighter, or so it seems

[19:53:17]

If you want to try playing youtube videos when you get it working... wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/y/youtube-dl/youtube-dl_2009.09.13-2_all.deb and dpkg -i it...... then run this in a terminal mplayer -zoom -ao oss -framedrop -vfm ffmpeg `youtube-dl -m -g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W47NAhGME4`

[19:53:44]

Well whats really nice is if you want you can use it in a standard frame buffer. You dont even need to start X

[19:54:08]

You can still view all of the graphics from the console.

[19:54:16]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

that is nice

[19:56:48]

Adnyxo: when you get the Z2 check out the game 0verkill. I put it on there so if you have any Z2 buddies you can play a side scrolling multiplayer shooter. heh.

[19:57:10]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

is it in the repositories

[19:57:16]

yeh

[19:57:26]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

also, can you apt-get in your image?

[19:57:34]

its sort of humorous ascii art scroller.

yes you can.

okay

back at my pc

wish your image luck

its just a modified debian userland.

[19:58:18]

It will work. it better work.

[19:58:22]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

bye, shutting down my zipit

[19:58:23]

hah

[19:58:36]

<Adnyxo-Zipit>

unless i f'd it up

[19:59:21]

Did I mention that I probably illegally included the wifi firmware in it..

[19:59:24]

workworkworkworkwork

[19:59:28]

oh cool

[19:59:43]

i have the wifi fw anyways, but it couldnt hurt

[20:00:10]

I didnt read the license but I dont see why its not legal. It can only be used on this device.

[20:00:36]

thats true

[20:00:45]

not like theyre losing anything cause of it

[20:01:07]

No. You already paid a licensing fee for it.

[20:01:21]

You bought the Z2, part of the cost of it is that licensing fee to use it.

[20:01:28]

awesome, it worked

[20:02:08]

now about the wifi

[20:02:43]

I made some scripts that should configure wifi for you.

[20:03:03]

even with a pw?

[20:03:17]

yes.

[20:03:28]

it takes input of a wep key

[20:03:55]

i installed the wpa_supplicant too. but i dont use wpa since some of my devices arent compatible with it.

[20:04:24]

i havent tested wpa is what im saying... but it should all be there

nice network scripts

easy as

easy

and im connected

one question

is stop the left click now?

shoot.

yes

okay

it was backwards from debian

[20:07:49]

i dont think its logical to have left click inside of the arrow keys.

[20:07:57]

what if you want to select copy and drag?

[20:08:40]

that makes sense

[20:09:25]

oh and youtube_dl isnt in the repo thats i set up on this. its in the sid/squeeze repo.

[20:13:36]

hey

[20:13:40]

how do you play overkill

[20:14:02]

its like z is shoort up is jump umm i think if you press h it shows all the keys

[20:14:39]

http://web.archive.org/web/20080513004159/artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~brain/0verkill/

[20:15:52]

so is someone connected

[20:16:14]

Well when it launches its launching the 0verkill server, and connecting an 0verkill bot.

[20:16:28]

then it launches the client that you are in.

[20:16:45]

So technically you are playing against a bot if you can ever find him

[20:16:49]

text based games

[20:17:17]

Somehow I think I also may have left KKK Mario Bros 2.nes on it also.

[20:18:15]

how would i play that

[20:18:32]

Go to My Files, and brows to the NES or Nintendo folder.

[20:18:42]

just open the file. it should launch with the nes emulator

[20:19:00]

yep its there

[20:19:31]

You need to program the input once you launch the emulator. it asks for your key settings.

[20:19:58]

oops i just screwed it up and put space for everything

[20:20:09]

lol just press escape and open it again.

[20:20:18]

what button is escape

[20:20:24]

":)"

[20:20:26]

is there a keymap i can get

[20:20:46]

its the standard keymap. i saw a pdf of it a while ago.

[20:22:49]

nice job with this by the way

[20:22:51]

[...] + :) = task manager

[20:23:08]

so thats ctrl+alt+delete

[20:23:24]

essentially ...

[20:23:49]

when you click on the down arrow on the window title it lets you select which open window you want to go to.

[20:24:28]

the games run flawlessly!

[20:25:07]

its nice

[20:25:33]

heh its like windows for the z2

[20:37:21]

jagsph: which keymap are you using? loki's, mine or the stock?

[20:39:36]

<jagsph_>

<jagsph> rkdavis: it was aliosas keymap.

[20:39:36]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: do you have a suggestion for a better one?

[20:50:48]

nope

[20:51:14]

i was just interested as alosa/loki's cause probs in links in stock

[20:51:25]

just wondered which you were sing

[20:51:36]

a keymap is a keymap is a keymap :)

[20:54:46]

<jagsph_>

is there any way to make the regular keys work when the mouse is on?

[20:56:21]

nope as the mouse app grabs all the events

[20:56:56]

so it's upto it what happens to them

[20:57:15]

<jagsph_>

so the mouse app needs to be programmed to only take over the arrow keys and the mouse buttons.

[21:02:51]

jagsph_: that was what happened in an earlier version but that is no longer available i think

[21:03:33]

people wanted all the flashy stuff so it got added and the barebones versions disappeared

[21:10:04]

<jagsph_>

it must enable f1 -f12 keys or something?

[21:10:50]

yup stuff like that

[21:11:43]

jag your the rootnexus guy?

[21:11:56]

<jagsph_>

yes.

[21:12:29]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: check this out, i just recorded this. sorry for poor quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1r1mT4HGyo

[21:12:51]

well good job =). got a few sugjestions.. but seriously nice =)

[21:13:10]

<jagsph_>

i like suggestions.

[21:13:16]

<jagsph_>

and thanks.

[21:13:23]

and i love the wifi script. i would love something like that for power managements.

[21:14:01]

[with good power management you can get up 5hours + out of th zipit

[21:14:11]

and alpine for email.

[21:14:54]

<jagsph_>

ive been working on it. but im not having much luck. rkdavis told me theres a battlevel utility in oe. im going to play with that. i also am trying to figure out how to scale the cpu mhz down and up on demand.... i was working on this little script to at least power down and notify when power is low http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/battery-daemon.txt

[21:16:12]

nice but i ment for doing things like turning kb lights on and off [thats HUGE] dimming screen and turning onboard speaker off.

[21:16:45]

<jagsph_>

Mcavity: alpine is definately a good client since its built off of pine. I recall using that years ago. You can apt-get install alpine in the userland. The only foreseeable problem might be the terminal size. Ill have to test it with a few different fonts.

[21:17:51]

<jagsph_>

McCavity: I would really like to know how to do that too. It probably work with the apm daemon? But I have done no research at all on that...

[21:18:15]

jag i have it somplace and I know its been discussed here it used to be on pastbin.

[21:20:05]

echo "0" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/pwm-backlight.1/backlight/pwm-backlight.1/brightness

[21:20:12]

that might be it.. its been a while

[21:21:40]

<jagsph_>

I learn something new each day... yeh I see a lot of different options for setting brightness in here

[21:21:54]

<jagsph_>

OpenZipIt:/sys/bus/platform/devices/pwm-backlight.0/backlight/pwm-backlight.0# echo 500 > brightness

[21:21:57]

<jagsph_>

this looks good

[21:22:03]

there we go

[21:22:28]

turing hte kb leds off is important.. thats about an extra hour and ahalf right there

[21:22:45]

dimming the screen down is also goo. i have this stuff someplace.

[21:22:53]

<jagsph_>

I can probably script this into some sort of Power Management applet once I figure out what everything does

[21:23:02]

oh we also need prboom in the games.. [doom!]

[21:23:36]

yea i know I have some simple basic scripts. i just have to dig them up

[21:23:49]

<jagsph_>

I saw that hunter got that compiled and working. Its probably in the debian repositories.

[21:24:02]

found it

[21:24:07]

<jagsph_>

Dosbox was one thing I wanted to add to the default install

[21:24:20]

i did and apt ger for prboom

[21:24:23]

no proble

[21:24:26]

problem

[21:26:35]

the one for the kb and the one for the screen are the same excet one is pwm-backlight.0 and the other is pwm-backlight.1

[21:27:26]

apt get also worked for alpine. however alpine will not save email passwords by default. you have to recomplie it for that

[21:28:32]

ok back in a bit. but seriously I'm likeing your build.

[21:28:49]

<jagsph_>

Ok thanks. Ill save this chat window for the next release.

[21:29:02]

<jagsph_>

Ill probably be switching to sid/squeeze also.

[21:34:32]

jagsph_: you mean the emdebian grp/squash/squeeze thingy?

[21:34:40]

s/grp/grip

[21:35:04]

<jagsph_>

yeh just a later release... not stable.

[21:35:53]

jagsph_: cool, then alot of the problems with the existing debian might go away, ok i still prefer oe but if the debian ver gets inproved then so much the better for everyone

[21:36:42]

<jagsph_>

definately..

[21:36:53]

<jagsph_>

rkdavis: i was tempted to try ubuntu-armel

[21:37:44]

might be interesting, it's debian based so there shouldn't be much to do to get it working

[21:38:42]

<jagsph_>

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/ANDROID-UBUNTU/ theres a mostly functional userland here. it would just need a few modules and a couple config files from the debian release.

[21:39:39]

that would be fun

[21:39:56]

how many hex pairs in a mac?

[21:40:28]

<jagsph_>

six

[21:41:00]

<jagsph_>

i always reference mac with macintosh, i had to think about that for a second.

[21:45:59]

<jagsph_>

keypad off >>> echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.1/brightness

[21:46:03]

when i get a bit of time ill try and list some of my notes and toss them your way.[emails on your web page right?]

[21:46:51]

<jagsph_>

If you send an email to that address tell me. I dont check it at all. Its there for archaic instant messaging purposes.

[21:47:14]

its my current irc nickname @ gmail.com

[21:48:50]

thanks i can never rememebr -- brain growing fuzzy

[21:50:07]

ok noted

[22:08:42]

rkdavis: I have got my current Z2 userland running under qemu.

[22:12:16]

jagsph: nice, incl. the screen? or just text?

[22:13:10]

yeh. xorg works. I just need to comment out that flip line in xorg.conf

[22:13:29]

Development doesnt need to be done on OE anymore.

[22:14:21]

Now I can just let the girl take this thing to work and play with it.

[22:18:59]

jagsph: well scratchbox is pretty good too and i also use firmwarelinux

[22:19:35]

both of which use qemu i am more interested in framebuffer though and not been ablke to get them working right in a qemu setup

[22:23:18]

rkdavis: the framebuffer just "worked" what kernel image did you use/

[22:24:17]

http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/arm/qemu/kernel/

[22:27:05]

jagsph: stock, .29 and .31

[22:28:02]

thanks i'll try again, i stopped trying for a while, was going to try skyeye again sometime soon but i have 4 projects on the go atm so haven't got around to it

[22:28:17]

rkdavis: try with that kernel when u get a chance that worked

[22:29:09]

i noticed the 2.2.29 for the z2 would not work.

[22:30:12]

ok will do, it would be great if it did as it would help in a porting i am trying although still have to solve glibc/uclibc incompatabilities

[22:39:09]

Hey

[22:39:38]

anyone wanna help me out with some noob questions real fast?

[22:39:53]

we can try to answer them

[22:39:57]

rkdavis: are you submitting your patches upstream?

[22:40:12]

what patches?

[22:40:23]

what zipit do you guys use. the z2?

[22:40:31]

for any changes to the source code when you are porting

[22:40:44]

i tell sweetlilmre (the owner of openzipit.sourceforge.net) what i've changed

[22:40:45]

Ampix0: Z2

[22:41:09]

jagsph: the ports i do i pass upstream to the relevant projects

[22:41:20]

ok cool I just bought a micro (mini adapter) SanDisk card. that fine?

[22:41:41]

rkdavis: yeh thats what i was asking. so they will eventually make it into debian armel :)

[22:42:04]

Ampix0: I used a Micro-to-Mini adapter with an 8gb micro sd card.

[22:42:14]

exactly what i bought

[22:42:18]

ok good so far.

[22:42:49]

Um linux distro what do you think is best?

[22:43:20]

For the Z2? Or a personal computer?

[22:43:26]

z2

[22:43:46]

i want the mouse emulation.. and um well airmon if i can XD

[22:44:08]

For ease of use go with debian. I modified a debian userland http://zipit.rootnexus.org/

[22:44:30]

damn nice Oh i was just on your site

[22:44:31]

If you are hardcore like rkdavis go with OpenEmbedded

[22:44:36]

XD you werent on aim

[22:44:54]

im not huge on linux sadly. I havn't gotten to knwo it very well

[22:45:02]

Pro Windows user though XD

[22:45:23]

Ya im planning to get a zipit and give it a kick ass case mod

[22:45:49]

wheres the chepest place to get a zipit z2? ebay was useless

[22:46:14]

talk to rkdavis =)

[22:46:15]

probably ebay. they might still have some at a target somewhere.

[22:46:22]

or listen to Mcavity

[22:46:32]

i think rk can sell them now

[22:46:46]

I paid $50 for mine

[22:46:47]

target wont sell them anymore?

and im off to work!

why are they old?

ugh computer crashed

oh and i have a little casemod i did

[22:47:33]

Mcavity: *highfive* XD

[22:47:38]

Target sells them online. I couldnt find them in the store.

[22:47:38]

added a magnifying glass to the front from a nintendo portable

[22:47:52]

rkdavis: Ampix0 would like to purchase a Z2. Where can he get a good deal on it.

[22:48:05]

jagsph, nice userland. on it now. few tweaks here and there for my own personal touches. but nice. ;]

[22:48:15]

ya im thinking i might preak it so.. a cheap one would be nice XD

[22:48:23]

break*

[22:48:43]

wickZ2: thanks.

[22:48:46]

jagsph: well depends on where he is located and how soon he wants it's i'm still setting up my merchant acciunt atm and the website

[22:49:12]

but zipt still selll them

[22:49:13]

rkdavis: you buy them wholesale or something?

[22:49:31]

Ampix0: i will as soon as the cheque is in my hands

[22:49:36]

it REALLY needs swapfile out of the box though.

[22:49:39]

I can only find these things for 49.99 online

[22:49:51]

Ampix0: yup that's the retail for them

[22:49:56]

wickZ2: my default image included a swap file

[22:50:03]

ya i mean.. on ebay they are even more lol wtf

[22:50:21]

i saw some for near $100

[22:50:27]

jagsph, where? i made one and put it in /opt

[22:50:35]

Ampix0: for overseas i.e. non-usa i am trying to get the price down to 70 incl. shipping

[22:50:43]

but i might be off by a few bucks

[22:50:52]

what about USA east cost

[22:50:52]

wickZ2: should have been as the 2nd partition

[22:50:58]

didnt see a script

[22:51:26]

rkdavis: what are you expecting price for East coast US

[22:51:41]

ahh. i have a 1gb card. used whole thing as main partiton when i dd'd it

[22:51:50]

Ampix0: well that i'll do for around 52 incl. shipping probably

[22:52:23]

rkdavis: soo.. wouldnt that be the same as retail? or more than buying it at target?

[22:52:28]

if i can get a better deal than i have i might try to do 50 incl. shipping

[22:53:00]

Ampix0: if you can find a target with them or they have readded them to their website yes

[22:53:07]

but good luck with that

[22:53:20]

lol well amazon has them

[22:53:21]

<xbin>

amazon has them

[22:53:22]

and the ebay ones are extra for shipping

[22:53:27]

idk what the shipping is though

[22:53:28]

wickZ2: yeh thats probably why. :)

[22:53:35]

I may try to see if my target has one

[22:53:45]

added matchbox-panel. has wifi signal util and better menu. ;]

[22:53:50]

Ampix0: read what i said my price will INCLUDE shipping

[22:54:12]

rkdavis: ya but i got a target litterally.. 15 mins away

[22:54:26]

lol i was trying to go even cheaper than 49.99 total

[22:54:28]

Ampix0: so do i and targets don't have them

[22:54:33]

oh

[22:54:46]

Ampix0: they don't sell them any more they cleared them all out

[22:54:56]

amazon: Super Saver Shipping: Get free shipping on orders or $25 or more (some restrictions apply).

[22:55:10]

Price: $49.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details

[22:55:24]

i support you and all

[22:55:26]

Ampix0: auper saver shipper is the remiumum club thing

[22:55:32]

but i do plan on breaking this

[22:55:35]

jagsph, also the snes9x binary in aliosa's oe userland works perfect on it. as does the battstat util. for future reference.

[22:56:07]

Ampix0: i am not really concerned with the states as my OEM license if for the rest of the world not the usa

[22:56:16]

ah

[22:56:23]

wickZ2: cool. thanks. ill include them in the next one. i didnt even know they existed :)

[22:56:29]

i will just have them available as they have to come here before i ship the aborad anyway

;]

shit

i just remembered

amazon wont take paypal will they

[22:56:56]

nope don't think so

[22:57:12]

i think there is a way around that though

[22:57:13]

Ampix0: the only thing I would be worried about breaking on the Z2 is where the power connector goes in..

[22:57:21]

ive dropped it and thrown it already :)

[22:57:23]

you use your paypal accunt to buy a giftcard

[22:57:32]

jagsph: i am planning on making a casemod

[22:57:41]

to make it.. not.. look gay

[22:57:41]

jagsph: yes that is very unsolid

[22:58:12]

yeah my power connector is alreay loose ;[

[23:00:09]

rkdavis: i heard some talk about charging with USB

[23:00:28]

well i got to go guys

[23:00:41]

now to make a brightness script with dialog or xdialog... my eyes are burning from this thing blazing in my face.

[23:00:45]

I will ahve to make some more money on my paypal and move it to a debit card

[23:01:00]

Theres only 1 left on amazon so one of you guys kill eachother for it XD

[23:01:02]

night

[23:01:12]

wickZ2: Im trying to bitbake snes9x ill just drop that in the next release.

[23:01:28]

theres no mic input on a zipit is there?

[23:02:00]

or maybe someone could write something to make the headphone jack a mic jack. then put skype on it :P

[23:02:10]

sound output through the speakers

[23:02:22]

make it a wifi cellphone XD

[23:02:38]

jagsph, right on. if not the binary in the oe userland works.. think its statically built to.

ok im out

bye

cya Ampix0

wickZ2: did you happen to know how to control the cpu frequency scaling from the console?

[23:04:00]

havent really looked into it yet, no.

[23:04:45]

cpufreqd should be able to handle it though

[23:05:15]

thats what i used to slow the cpu on the jornada 720

[23:06:07]

for 'fake suspend'

[23:06:30]

since it was bootstrapped from within wince

[23:06:46]

with a nonflashable rom

[23:08:40]

hm cpufreqd ... if that works it will increase battery life

[23:09:14]

fricking hell i think my wife's itouch is causing reboots on my computer

[23:09:33]

it's charging and everytime it wakes up my laptop blue screens

[23:09:34]

wickZ2: mcavity pointed me to these apm controls earlier: echo 0 > /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.1/brightness echo 500 > /sys/class/backlight/pwm-backlight.0/brightness

[23:09:42]

jagsph, yeah should increase a lot

[23:11:24]

cool. hopefully lostircs scrollback buffer is decent..lol.

[23:12:27]

the bathroom is not a good place to make a dialog script. ;]

[23:12:36]

wickZ2: it was customizable as i remember

[23:13:32]

yeah. lower numbers are dim, higher are brighter. same a jornada.

[23:13:45]

a/as

[23:14:03]

500 looks good to me although im not outside in the sunlight

[23:14:37]

anything better than the default 'flashlight' setting..heh

[23:14:49]

it was rather bright.

[23:15:12]

draining battery quickly also

[23:15:29]

wickZ2: shouldnt battery life be 6 hours on this device?

[23:16:15]

i wish. ive never gotten more than 2 and that was with stock os and brightness dimmed

[23:16:56]

=\ 2 is better than 30 minutes

[23:17:12]

wickZ2: check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1r1mT4HGyo

[23:17:35]

maybe with some underclocking and dimmer lcd itd be a bit better

[23:17:52]

cant look atm, on the zipit

[23:19:08]

wickZ2: alright. i posted a video showing the ability to play youtube videos on the Z2 by copying and pasting a url

[23:19:38]

cool. through mplayer?

[23:20:25]

yeh. using youtube_dl

[23:20:29]

mplayer -zoom -ao oss -framedrop -vfm ffmpeg `youtube-dl -m -g $URL`

[23:21:23]

nice.

[23:23:00]

make a script for that. call it like youtubelwatch.sh

[23:23:09]

make it easy for people ;]

[23:23:57]

i did already, they still have to copy and paste. i wish i was advanced enough to be be able to make a script that can search youtube... thats beyond me though.

[23:24:14]

more or less i dont care enough about it to learn how..

[23:24:20]

me

[23:24:25]

also

[23:25:20]

im more a package/userland builder. kernel hacking and scripting i suck at.

[23:27:30]

eventually ill do my own OE userland for zipit. currently too busy hacking on those chinese mips netbooks.

[23:28:04]

i left jlime for that

[23:28:37]

2 arch's was too much to handle

[23:28:41]

have you got those mips netbooks to install linux?

[23:29:01]

I would have bought one off ebay if I knew it would run linux.

[23:29:14]

they came with linux, it just was a crappy locled down linux

[23:29:25]

locked*

[23:29:41]

Maybe we are talking about the wrong ones. I saw them all over ebay for like $70 with a 266mhz processor. I might be thinking of the ARM ones.

[23:30:03]

ur thinking the arm ones with wince

[23:30:08]

yeh wince.

[23:31:01]

the mips ones are 400mhz, other than mips cpu the rest is mostly identical

[23:32:28]

check littlelinuxlaptop.com for the list of known brandnames of the mips based ones. i see a few on ebay here n there, but not often.

[23:33:18]

seems nobody want to sell their linux one, yet the ce ones are for sale lightly used all over.

[23:34:34]

thats a neat site. going in my bookmarks. ... of course the wince ones are for sale everywhere, they suck, they cant do anything. the links browser is more capable than ie for wince

[23:35:24]

i know. i have a razorbook with ce on it. ie is sad. cant even display .png

[23:36:27]

the razorbook cannot take linux?

[23:36:57]

razorbook had 2 versions. mips with linux and arm with ce

[23:37:22]

what im saying is you cannot over-write the ce with linux?

[23:37:35]

im sure all the arm netbooks

[23:37:45]

will be able to easily

[23:38:10]

if somebody jtags them and finds a way to flash blob or uboot on it

[23:38:30]

Yeh, I just dont want to buy one unless someone has done it and made a writeup.

[23:38:49]

not been done yet ;[

[23:39:09]

in due time. happens to every device sooner or later.

[23:40:27]

if i had a second rzrbook to test with i would try, just dont want to brick the 1 i have

[23:41:16]

with pocketputty it makes a nice travel companion ;]

[23:41:37]

a portable terminal

[23:41:44]

yep

[23:42:06]

at least see if they have cygwin for wince lol

[23:42:09]

then vnc to desktop and use firefox ;]

[23:42:39]

thatd be sweet, but nope

[23:43:05]

pocketdos is cool though. run old dos games in ce

[23:43:44]

pocketdos on a device designed to fit in an extra large purse or a briefcase

[23:44:14]

Now there are the two people I wanted to see talking to eathother

heh

sup ogmious09

Hey how's it going

its going ;]

skimming back a little, you working on the CE versions now?

[23:46:09]

nope. not yet. i need more machines before i attempt it.

[23:46:19]

yeah skimmed back a little bit more,

[23:46:21]

lol

[23:46:58]

but at $100 a pop, thats too much to risk currently

[23:47:06]

Be neat to get into a cloud situation or thin client with the CE

[23:48:35]

yea.

[23:48:37]

Reading about one a few months ago supposed to come out at like 79 bucks a piece

[23:48:59]

They were talking about it being a laptop they had on supermarket shelves

[23:49:35]

thatd be cool, if it happens.

[23:50:18]

what about the pegatron netbook

[23:50:23]

remember the original eeepc was supposed to dirt cheap. that never happened.

[23:53:35]

multiple personalities

[23:53:42]

gonna jump in shower, back in 20. jagsph post that video url and brightness thingy in a msg for me if you could. thanks.

[23:53:50]

heh. battery dying on zipit

[23:55:35]

got a video of that groovy zipit os jagsph?

[23:56:59]

http://hunterdavis.com/archives/440/comment-page-1#comment-15356 I posted the links to all 3 videos i made here

[23:57:39]

I thought Hunter had moved on from the Zipit

[23:58:01]

He has.

[23:58:08]

lol, shoulda read the first couple sentences before I posted that

[23:58:32]

His site gets a lot of hits from the Z2. He has other projects that are taking priority over the Z2.

[23:59:29]

Yeah I pop on their about once a week

[23:59:44]

None of my business but anybody pony up any dough yet?

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