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<flyback> |
someone break k5egg's till he listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZXT1goELA&feature=related |
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<flyback> |
break his arm even |
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<jrm7262> |
ir-b1ll10n |
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<jrm7262> |
Hi all, anyone online? |
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<dTal> |
meeeee |
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<jrm7262> |
Questions about the z2. There are 3 things I'd like to achieve with the z2. 1, Add a microphone. I've heard of mic mods, but can anyone point me to the details. 2, Boot from sd card. The ubootloader has possibilities but do the screen issues still exist,? 3, Add usb. The rear connector seems to have usb signals, has anyone used these? Kindest regards James |
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<jrm7262> |
hi dTal |
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<dTal> |
I don't know about microphones, but the jack can be used as a microphone input |
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<dTal> |
just a setting in alsamixer |
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<jrm7262> |
Do u mean the headphone jack? |
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<dTal> |
yep |
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<dTal> |
I've wondered about the uboot thing myself, as I'd like to tinker with netbsd without bricking it |
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<jrm7262> |
Interesting, but the jack means u couldn't use the z2 for voip |
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<dTal> |
as for usb, the rear connector has usb _client_ - the internal chip has usb host, but it requires soldering and nobody's done it yet that I know of |
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<dTal> |
well, there's a "headset" option which I believe uses one channel for mic and one for headphone |
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<dTal> |
so it is possible |
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<dTal> |
assuming the z2 is fast enough |
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<jrm7262> |
Thank you, that's an avenue to follow |
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<jrm7262> |
I'm currently using RayHaque's shell to experiment with but am thinking of flashing debian, what's your set up |
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<dTal> |
I've flashed a kernel, works with OE and debian |
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<dTal> |
but neither are very satisfactory |
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<jrm7262> |
what r the unsatisfactory bit? |
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<dTal> |
OE because there are no prebuilt programs, or very few, so you have to compile every goddamn thing yourself |
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<jrm7262> |
ok that counts oe out |
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<dTal> |
Debian because it's a bit on the sluggish side, and I'm told many of the emdebian packages are the wrong endianness |
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<dTal> |
which means some stuff randomly doesn't work |
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<dTal> |
right now I just ssh into a real computer and do everything form there |
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<jrm7262> |
Yes I ssh into a couple of computers in my loft, just to check on there progress. It saves me climbing the stairs |
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<dTal> |
I wish I could set the font to proper 80 column. I know it would be tiny but it would be cool. |
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<jrm7262> |
Going back to the usb stuff, I'm happy to do the mod but need the details. Know anyone or anywhere to refer to? |
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<jrm7262> |
Yes 80 column would be cool |
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<jrm7262> |
Which kernel did you flash? and did u use the auto flasher? |
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<dTal> |
I did use the autoflasher |
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<dTal> |
I just used the one from the Aliosa27 image like in hunter davis's tutorial |
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<jrm7262> |
Did you have a stock z2, or had you used it as a z2 first so the firmware was upgraded? |
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<dTal> |
I did get it on the net once on the stock firmware, but I don't think it updated |
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<dTal> |
are you having problems? |
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<jrm7262> |
No problems, but had heard rumours the flashing has problems if the z2 has upgraded firmware, but these r just rumours |
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<jrm7262> |
Thanks dTal for the ideas, you given me ways to progress on 2 of my 3 projects. Speak to u again. Happy new year. Regads J. |
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<wicknix> |
dTal, just add the angtrom feed urls to /etc/ipkg.conf. There's a slew of packages. |
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<wicknix> |
no need to build packages |
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<root__> |
hello ? |
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<root__> |
Have just got irssi working on the z2 and wanted to try it out. |
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<LT[LC]> |
cool |
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<root__> |
thank you, at least I now know the universe can here me |
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<LT[LC]> |
:) |
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<root__> |
Know if anyone has got usb connected to a z2? |
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<dTal> |
wicknix: I think it already has those in there |
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<dTal> |
but the "slew" of packages is a bit crap |
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<dTal> |
to a guy used to debian, there's hardly anything in there |
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<wicknix> |
i had to add the feeds on mine when i grabed the OE userland |
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<dTal> |
not a single web browser besides firefox |
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<wicknix> |
grabbed* |
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<dTal> |
what are the "feed urls"? |
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<wicknix> |
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/ |
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<wicknix> |
and there are more browsers |
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<wicknix> |
add all those to ipkg.conf, then do ipkg update |
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<wicknix> |
its not as much as debian, but plenty for the z2 |
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<wicknix> |
and faster, debian is sluggish and not optimized |
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<dTal> |
I'm searching those packages now |
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<dTal> |
what other web browsers are there? |
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<dTal> |
no elinks, dillo, links2 |
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<wicknix> |
take those from rays userland :) |
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<wicknix> |
there's epiphany, fennec, gpe-mini-browser etc |
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<wicknix> |
midori |
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<wicknix> |
plenty of lightweight browsers |
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<wicknix> |
netsurf |
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<dTal> |
ray's userland? |
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<wicknix> |
z2shell enhanced |
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<dTal> |
yeah links2 from that segfaults |
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<dTal> |
as does prety much everything else I've tried |
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<wicknix> |
hmm. i play around with z2shell and the OE userland.. debian was just too dang slow |
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<dTal> |
at least I can actually do stuff on debian |
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<wicknix> |
as it is on all embedded hardware |
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<dolphin> |
did someone get java running on Zipit Z2? |
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<wicknix> |
like what? that OE cant do? |
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<dTal> |
dolphin: I apt-getted it, didn't try it out |
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<dTal> |
wicknix: well, yeah. |
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<wicknix> |
for web browsing, emulators, editing, instsnt messaging, irc, ssd |
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<dolphin> |
dTal: I'd be extremely interested if you get it working |
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<dolphin> |
(in the steps you did to achieve that) |
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<dTal> |
I wanted to get opera mobile running |
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<dTal> |
but mobile java is a little different |
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<dTal> |
I got an emulator thingy that ran IN java, but I couldn't quite get it to work |
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<dTal> |
doubtless my fault |
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<dTal> |
wicknix: so you have an OE setup that's useful? |
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<dolphin> |
hmm |
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<wicknix> |
yeah for the most part. still trying to get that dang z2mouse to work properly though |
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<dTal> |
z2mouse works fine for me |
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<dTal> |
it's everything else |
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<wicknix> |
it works fine for actual moving of the pointer, but it screws up my keymapping in console |
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<dTal> |
oh yeah it will do that |
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<dTal> |
you have to switch it on and off |
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<wicknix> |
yeah, that sucks though |
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<dolphin> |
dTal: so you didn't get J2ME running? |
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<dTal> |
no I attempted to get this to work: http://www.microemu.org/ |
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<rkdavis> |
ah just the person i think |
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<wicknix> |
but anyway, i find OE/angstrom has more than enough packages to make the z2 useful, yet not slow. I mean really, what do you want your Z to do? |
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<rkdavis> |
wicknix: you are the guy to talk to about those crappy chinese /netbooky/ things aren't you? |
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<wicknix> |
lol rkdavis yep |
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<dTal> |
I want to browse the web in console mode |
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<dolphin> |
dTal: did you try the J2ME implementation? |
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<dTal> |
possibly with the framebuffer |
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<rkdavis> |
wicknix: ok a friend got ripped off last year and onyl found ot yesterday |
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<dTal> |
dolphin: no |
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<rkdavis> |
the store won't take ti back |
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<dTal> |
]I didn't know there was one |
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<rkdavis> |
so what do you know about the iview 700nb? |
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<rkdavis> |
she thought it was a real netbook not a win ce 5.0 thingy |
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<dTal> |
also I want to compile stuff |
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<dTal> |
don't laugh |
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<wicknix> |
rkdavis, haven't heard of that one. ahh running wince? ick. |
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<rkdavis> |
so i said i'd see if linux could be got onto it |
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<dolphin> |
ehum |
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<rkdavis> |
yup it is wince 5.0 and an arm processor |
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<dTal> |
also I want to watch movies on the framebuffer |
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<dTal> |
x-windows is ridiculous |
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<rkdavis> |
it says booting kernel as it boots so i wondered if you had any idea how to de-wince it and linuxfy it |
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<rkdavis> |
wicknix: http://www.iviewus.com/product_detail.php?id=111&pid=109 that's the beast |
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<wicknix> |
rkdavis, sounds like my 3k razorbook 400.. currently those running wince we haven't figured out how to get linux on them yet. easier to just buy one already running linux and reflash it |
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<wicknix> |
i'd start with haret for a bootloader in wince, try to boot a kernel |
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<rkdavis> |
yup -- i have to ring corporate for the store she bought it from but i'm not hopeful although she did get lied to |
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<rkdavis> |
she got ripped off by the price too $178 in august |
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<wicknix> |
ouch |
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<rkdavis> |
and the salesman lied too |
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<rkdavis> |
and they said no problem returning it even if it was several months ago |
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<wicknix> |
that sucks. |
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<wicknix> |
dTal, you can do that in OE userland. install gcc etc, install mplayer |
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<wicknix> |
install links (its in the feed i just looked) |
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<wicknix> |
rkdavis, yea the ce5/6 machines are different |
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<wicknix> |
slight hardware changes, different cpu |
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<rkdavis> |
wicknix: so i shouldn't really bother trying to /mod/ it i should try to get her a credit/cashback although i'm doubtful if my powers of pursuaion are that good |
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<wicknix> |
yea i wouldn't try to hack it, unless they wont return it |
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<rkdavis> |
the other possibility is finding a decent version of flash for wince 5.0 |
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<wicknix> |
i havent found much that works on ce5.0 |
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<wicknix> |
sadly |
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<wicknix> |
opera mobile doesnt, no messengers like palringo, im+ etc, 3/4 of my hpc2000/ppc2002 apps dont even work on it |
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<rkdavis> |
yup it was the worst wince ever 3.0 was ok but 5 sucked |
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<k5egg> |
wince angers me |
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<k5egg> |
theres no excuse for its need to suck so bad. |
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<wicknix> |
heh |
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<k5egg> |
same for "windows mobile" (same crap, different front-end) |
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<wicknix> |
win mobile isnt THAT bad, at least i can use 90% of the software i want on it |
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<k5egg> |
I find winmo overly quirky. Similar to Windows 3.0 |
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<k5egg> |
it'll find any ol' excuse to freak out. No real pattern to it. |
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<wicknix> |
i must have good luck then.. my phone runs winmo and its 'fairly' stable.. only have to reboot it every 3 months or so. |
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<k5egg> |
Windows95 was smaller, more stable, and a hell of a lot more powerful. |
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<k5egg> |
(and of course, only available for x86) |
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<wicknix> |
win95 stable? |
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<wicknix> |
since when? |
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<k5egg> |
as stable as wince. |
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<wicknix> |
heh i suppose |
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<LT[LC]> |
my treo pro is fine |
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<k5egg> |
once you found the right combination of drivers and patches without memory leaks, 95 would stay up and do nothing (which is pretty much all you can do with winmo - nothing) |
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<k5egg> |
for months |
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<LT[LC]> |
actually, my only issue with it is unrelated to the software |
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<k5egg> |
hell, I believe the base install for NT4 was smaller than WinMo 6.1 on my old HTC Apache. |
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<k5egg> |
and I managed a >535 day uptime in NT4WS on a junk PC |
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<rkdavis> |
if upgrading to linux was easish i'd take it off her hands |
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<k5egg> |
(windows media encoder quit counting its uptime at 535 days) |
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<wicknix> |
rkdavis, yea can't help you there. just dealing with the machines currently being sold w/linux on them already |
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<wicknix> |
someday i'll start hacking on the razorbook and rid it of CE |
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<k5egg> |
the android folks are doing some winmo->linux hacking, but I'm not sure to what level |
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<k5egg> |
youtube videos galore of people running android on their winmo phones. |
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<k5egg> |
the one of the htc apache is most amusing. the piece of junk takes like 4 minutes to boot. |
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<wicknix> |
k5egg, too bad the 'phone' portion doesnt work afterwards |
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<rkdavis> |
wicknix: i'm still keeping my eyes open for a LINUX based one so if you find a store with them pls let me know |
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<rkdavis> |
as it'd be perfect for what i want |
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<k5egg> |
wicknix: some do (most of the CDMA models do, from what I've read) |
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<wicknix> |
rkdavis, will do |
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<rkdavis> |
ta muchly |
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<k5egg> |
and since, in the USA, the only carriers worth using run CDMA (qualcomm is95 mode, not WCDMA)... |
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<wicknix> |
k5egg, cool. its about time. too many times when people run linux on a winmo phone they lose phone functionality |
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<k5egg> |
yeah |
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<wicknix> |
i was going to put linux on my old htc wizard until i found out the phone was working |
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<wicknix> |
defeats the purpose.. heh |
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<k5egg> |
hah, this envelope I got from hongkong (had 10 USB/BT adapter in it) has "tse chit zhangy" for the return address |
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<wicknix> |
was/wasnt |
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<k5egg> |
I dunno. after doing the whole phone/pda thing, I went back to a regular ol' flip |
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<k5egg> |
its got EVDO capabilities and bluetooth. easy enough to interface with whatever else |
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<wicknix> |
i like my samsung blackjack2, i hated the slider on the wizard, always needed 2 hands to operate, hated the touchscreen also |
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<wicknix> |
took a bit to get use to, but now i prefer smartphones |
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<k5egg> |
me, my girlfriend and my parents all had moto q's at one point. not really that bad of a phone |
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<k5egg> |
texting was GREAT |
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<wicknix> |
ditto |
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<k5egg> |
thats what I'm hating about this samsung mm-a940 I have now. I got very used to a real keyboard. |
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<k5egg> |
with the Q I could damn near touch type. the htc apache's keys had very little 'feel' so I had to look pretty regularly with it. With t9 or straight alpha mode I've gotta *watch* what I'm typing. |
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<k5egg> |
I'm sure sprint appreciates it, my texting has prolly dropped 95% |
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<wicknix> |
true. i always hated t9 |
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<wicknix> |
well, been fun. but Packer game will be on soon and i havent eaten of showered yet.. heh. see ya's |
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<k5egg> |
right on |
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<k5egg> |
later |
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<flyback> |
did you listen to the video yet k5egg |
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<flyback> |
anyways bbl going to go shave then get ready to drop off my dad's laptop and show him how to rip cd's to his mp3 player |
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<dTal> |
That was quite the blackout. |
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<Reddog^> |
well then |
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