| [01:50:18] |
*** |
FoxxOTG has quit IRC |
| [02:05:08] |
*** |
dolphin has joined #zipit |
| [02:05:12] |
*** |
wicknix has joined #zipit |
| [02:36:27] |
*** |
pastorhudson has quit IRC |
| [02:41:37] |
*** |
dolphin has quit IRC |
| [03:36:34] |
*** |
wicknix has quit IRC |
| [04:21:20] |
*** |
dolphin has joined #zipit |
| [04:59:19] |
*** |
dolphin_ has joined #zipit |
| [05:10:03] |
*** |
Mcavity[A] has quit IRC |
| [05:15:22] |
*** |
dolphin has quit IRC |
| [06:29:38] |
*** |
rr0d_ is now known as rr0d |
| [09:08:37] |
*** |
pastorhudson has joined #zipit |
| [09:59:52] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has joined #zipit |
| [10:15:54] |
*** |
rr0d has quit IRC |
| [10:15:54] |
*** |
rkdavis1 has quit IRC |
| [10:15:54] |
*** |
vicscandl has quit IRC |
| [10:19:43] |
*** |
rkdavis has joined #zipit |
| [10:20:25] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [10:23:31] |
*** |
rr0d has joined #zipit |
| [10:24:40] |
*** |
rkdavis1 has joined #zipit |
| [10:31:19] |
*** |
vicscandl has joined #zipit |
| [10:40:39] |
*** |
vicscandl has quit IRC |
| [10:40:39] |
*** |
rkdavis1 has quit IRC |
| [10:51:44] |
*** |
vicscandl has joined #zipit |
| [10:51:56] |
<vicscandl> |
morning all |
| [10:52:32] |
<vicscandl> |
ok, so i bricked my z2; gathering intel and parts for serial port recovery mod. |
| [10:52:36] |
<vicscandl> |
grrrrrrrrrrr |
| [11:10:41] |
<vicscandl> |
anyone have a good howto on putting in the serial port mod? |
| [11:19:05] |
<rkdavis> |
you've looked at g1powermac's page? |
| [11:19:17] |
<vicscandl> |
yea, reading there now... |
| [11:19:27] |
<rkdavis> |
well that's it then |
| [11:19:35] |
<vicscandl> |
wondering if the serial level amplifer chip is required to do this |
| [11:19:43] |
<vicscandl> |
er, voltage levels. |
| [11:20:13] |
<rkdavis> |
foxx is the best person to ask about the serial mod. well him or sweetlilmre |
| [11:20:22] |
<vicscandl> |
<something tells me i *should have* bought two of these units |
| [11:20:29] |
<rkdavis> |
but sweetlilmre isn't around much |
| [11:20:48] |
<rkdavis> |
how did you brick your zipit? |
| [11:21:13] |
<vicscandl> |
apparently durring the second part of the re-flashing |
| [11:21:52] |
<rkdavis> |
using the autoflasher? |
| [11:22:06] |
<vicscandl> |
auto flasher part worked... |
| [11:22:15] |
<vicscandl> |
(first part) |
| [11:22:37] |
<vicscandl> |
its the second part that is not working, and gives me a blank screen with 2 leds on the front and no indication |
| [11:22:45] |
<vicscandl> |
left it on for 7 hours as such, no results. |
| [11:22:49] |
<rkdavis> |
which kernel? |
| [11:23:32] |
<rkdavis> |
you are the first i've heard of that bricked their zipit using the autoflasher |
| [11:23:38] |
<vicscandl> |
heheheheh |
| [11:23:50] |
<vicscandl> |
what can i say, i'm a good QA man! |
| [11:24:15] |
<rkdavis> |
you must have used a bad kernel image -- where did you get it from? |
| [11:24:28] |
<vicscandl> |
ok, my hangup is with step 13 of the linux instructions on http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzi |
| [11:24:36] |
<vicscandl> |
shit, quantumlime.com/zipit |
| [11:24:53] |
<vicscandl> |
image came from that page's links |
| [11:26:08] |
<vicscandl> |
so aliosa27's 1gb image |
| [11:26:40] |
<rkdavis> |
ok so the kernel.bin is from where? |
| [11:26:58] |
<rkdavis> |
from wireless+x? |
| [11:27:15] |
<vicscandl> |
http://openzipit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openzipit/debian/debianZ2-1G-image.rar |
| [11:27:36] |
<rkdavis> |
ok that's a debian kernel |
| [11:27:53] |
<vicscandl> |
aye |
| [11:28:01] |
<rkdavis> |
and the zipit was plugged into the mains when you did it? |
| [11:28:12] |
<vicscandl> |
yes |
| [11:28:23] |
<rkdavis> |
hmmmmmm |
| [11:28:35] |
*** |
johnson_ has joined #zipit |
| [11:28:39] |
<rkdavis> |
what happens when you try to boot the zipit without an sdcard in it |
| [11:28:39] |
*** |
johnson has quit IRC |
| [11:29:11] |
<vicscandl> |
screen does not flicker or register and remains black, 2 green LED's on front lit; kb flashes backlight but goes out. |
| [11:29:21] |
<vicscandl> |
unit then sits there indef in that state |
| [11:29:29] |
<vicscandl> |
plugged into the wall or not |
| [11:29:42] |
<vicscandl> |
(kb flashes twice before going dark) |
| [11:30:11] |
<rkdavis> |
ok |
| [11:30:19] |
<vicscandl> |
<currently looking for a Target that has units in stock> |
| [11:30:23] |
<rkdavis> |
yup bad flash then |
| [11:30:46] |
<rkdavis> |
good luck with that -- target i think cleared all their inventory |
| [11:30:50] |
<vicscandl> |
yea, figured i screwed up my xmas present in < 24 hours |
| [11:31:17] |
<vicscandl> |
this one came from target online |
| [11:31:31] |
<rkdavis> |
oh they have them back onlinenow |
| [11:31:40] |
<rkdavis> |
they even removed the page for a while |
| [11:31:49] |
<vicscandl> |
really? it was that hot of an item? |
| [11:32:22] |
<rkdavis> |
nope they had them for $12 in some stores |
| [11:32:44] |
<rkdavis> |
they were clearing stiock and it looked like they woudn't gettheem again |
| [11:34:00] |
<vicscandl> |
rkdavis: is there any possibity that this is in limbo between the two steps? |
| [11:35:02] |
<rkdavis> |
yup |
| [11:35:53] |
<rkdavis> |
but without beiing able to get to a command prompt or if you have overwritten the bit that calls the start script you can't fixit |
| [11:36:00] |
<rkdavis> |
but there is one thing you could try |
| [11:36:06] |
<vicscandl> |
i'm all ears |
| [11:36:12] |
<rkdavis> |
but 100% it won't work |
| [11:36:27] |
<rkdavis> |
but it can't hurt |
| [11:36:40] |
<rkdavis> |
1. unplug the battery from the zipit |
| [11:36:50] |
<rkdavis> |
2. unplug the zipit from the mains |
| [11:37:00] |
<rkdavis> |
3. wait 30seconds or so |
| [11:37:34] |
<rkdavis> |
4. press and hold the reset while pressing and holdign the green power button and plug back into the mains |
| [11:37:48] |
<rkdavis> |
5. let go of the power button |
| [11:37:55] |
<rkdavis> |
6. let go of reset |
| [11:38:09] |
<rkdavis> |
then press and hold both power and reset |
| [11:38:25] |
<rkdavis> |
7. repeat steps 5 and 6 a couplee of times quickly |
| [11:38:39] |
<rkdavis> |
alll this is with an sdcard in it |
| [11:39:29] |
<rkdavis> |
that helps if it is trying to read the sdcard but the card is too slow or the zipit is too slow booting, it gives it time for both to init and catch up with each other |
| [11:39:55] |
<vicscandl> |
<step 4 without battery?><what is on sd card?> |
| [11:40:26] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: doesn't matter preferablle a working rootfs but the autoflasher too might a good idea |
| [11:40:43] |
<rkdavis> |
but as you have a possibly bad kernel image maybe not |
| [11:41:11] |
<rkdavis> |
foxx is the person to ask about the serial mod imho as he has done what i think is the neatest mod |
| [11:41:29] |
<rkdavis> |
although sweetlilmre or marex or gpsfan have also done it and know about it |
| [11:42:00] |
<vicscandl> |
it was strange, for some reason the zipit shell things with the native OS did not work. |
| [11:42:35] |
<rkdavis> |
before you did the autoflash? |
| [11:42:52] |
<vicscandl> |
correct |
| [11:43:19] |
<vicscandl> |
i think that i was over-excited and not paying enough attention... :) |
| [11:43:25] |
<rkdavis> |
ok that was probably the prob then |
| [11:44:21] |
<rkdavis> |
the auto flash needs z2shell because that is what it is |
| [11:44:41] |
<rkdavis> |
ok on the sd card you used you did get the basckup files on it? |
| [11:44:51] |
<vicscandl> |
well, i'm quite positive that the autoflash did work, i got the backup files |
| [11:45:19] |
<rkdavis> |
ok what file size is the kernel you used |
| [11:45:48] |
<vicscandl> |
could not get the 2gb to go on using either linux or win, so i went with the 1gb image |
| [11:46:06] |
<maq1017> |
yeah i had the prob with 2gb image, it was actually bigger than my SanDisk 2gb card lol |
| [11:46:09] |
<vicscandl> |
verified that the image was on there in the ext2 portion of the drive |
| [11:46:18] |
<vicscandl> |
yea, it was bigger than mine as well |
| [11:46:21] |
<rkdavis> |
yup but what about the kernel from the image |
| [11:46:38] |
<vicscandl> |
http://openzipit.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/openzipit/debian/debianZ2-1G-image.rar |
| [11:46:45] |
<vicscandl> |
latest and greatest |
| [11:47:01] |
<rkdavis> |
yes but what about the kernel inside thta image |
| [11:47:11] |
<vicscandl> |
ok, you want a copy? |
| [11:47:15] |
<rkdavis> |
i.e. the kernel you put on the autoflasher sdcard |
| [11:47:22] |
<vicscandl> |
not sure |
| [11:47:22] |
<rkdavis> |
just givee me the file size |
| [11:47:27] |
<vicscandl> |
one minue |
| [11:47:29] |
<rkdavis> |
ok |
| [11:47:49] |
<rkdavis> |
so let me go through the steps you did more or less |
| [11:48:04] |
<vicscandl> |
1015808000 bytes |
| [11:48:12] |
<rkdavis> |
1 you formatted a sdcard as FAT |
| [11:48:29] |
<rkdavis> |
2. you downloaded the rootfs image rar file |
| [11:48:45] |
<rkdavis> |
3. you extracted the rar file |
| [11:48:55] |
<rkdavis> |
to get something like image.img |
| [11:49:02] |
<vicscandl> |
i got to step 16 on the windows instructions on quantumlime.com/zipit |
| [11:49:15] |
<rkdavis> |
you mounted that somehow and removed the zImage from it |
| [11:49:29] |
<rkdavis> |
you copied zImage to the sdcard with the autoflasher on it |
| [11:49:37] |
<rkdavis> |
and renamed it to kernel.bin |
| [11:49:50] |
<rkdavis> |
you put the sdcard into the zipit and booted |
| [11:50:00] |
<vicscandl> |
and it is where it is now |
| [11:50:03] |
<vicscandl> |
yes |
| [11:51:22] |
<rr0d> |
thats the problem |
| [11:51:51] |
<rr0d> |
you didnt follow the howto |
| [11:51:57] |
<rkdavis> |
just checking file sizes but i suspect you used the wrong file |
| [11:52:13] |
<rkdavis> |
i suspect you flashed the image not the kernel |
| [11:52:42] |
<rkdavis> |
the kernel shoudl have been 1704736 |
| [11:53:15] |
<rkdavis> |
yup you didn't follow the howto correctly |
| [11:53:34] |
<rr0d> |
it says |
| [11:53:35] |
<rkdavis> |
and you flashed the rootfs and not the kernel |
| [11:53:45] |
<vicscandl> |
oh |
| [11:53:47] |
<vicscandl> |
whoops |
| [11:53:48] |
<rkdavis> |
so you'll need the serial mod |
| [11:53:53] |
<vicscandl> |
so fubar until the serial mod |
| [11:53:57] |
<rkdavis> |
yup |
| [11:54:03] |
<vicscandl> |
cool.. thanks rkdavis |
| [11:54:24] |
<rkdavis> |
no probs, pity it wasn't just a glitch though |
| [11:54:44] |
<rkdavis> |
personally i don't use the various howto's around the internet as most of them are complete crap |
| [11:55:03] |
<rkdavis> |
the best instructions are the ones that are in the files on the openzipit sourceforge site |
| [11:55:26] |
<rkdavis> |
hunter's is oksih but the rest are complete overcompilcated c*** |
| [11:56:14] |
<rr0d> |
the one from quantumlime is actually easy to follow |
| [11:56:16] |
<vicscandl> |
damnit |
| [11:56:21] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: there is a cable that radioshack sells that can be used withotu the level shift (max232e) |
| [11:56:32] |
<vicscandl> |
rkdavis: part number? |
| [11:56:57] |
<rkdavis> |
rr0d: it's over complicated and half the steps aren't needed if you use the correct files and not aliosa27's but the /correct/ files |
| [11:57:05] |
<vicscandl> |
ok guys |
| [11:57:07] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: let me see if i can find it again |
| [11:57:47] |
<vicscandl> |
i'll blog and post the crap out of it: can i get a set of good instructions on doing this in case i get a new unit before i can do the serial mod? |
| [11:58:40] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: still looking for the cable but it was a usb scanner cable |
| [12:00:49] |
<rkdavis> |
rr0d: I was the first (and betatester) of the kernel upgrade process and if you use the instructions that come with the autoflasher and use the correct file it's worked over 150 times for me, the only time i've screwed up is with bad kernels i have built and used without proper testing |
| [12:01:31] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2177609 that's the cable |
| [12:01:54] |
<rkdavis> |
although i have only been told it works by the guru's i've not actually used it |
| [12:02:10] |
<rkdavis> |
the guru's == sweetlilmre, marex and gpsfan (and foxx) |
| [12:04:22] |
<vicscandl> |
its noon in ny... wonder how hard the foxx partied last night.. ;) |
| [12:05:11] |
<rkdavis> |
:) |
| [12:05:52] |
<rkdavis> |
ok brb need to feed the masses |
| [12:07:55] |
<vicscandl> |
yea, me too |
| [12:08:50] |
<vicscandl> |
Foxx: when you have a moment sir, i could use some sagely advice... |
| [12:12:03] |
<johnson_> |
!win 1 |
| [12:12:38] |
*** |
johnson_ is now known as johnson |
| [12:12:53] |
*** |
johnson has quit IRC |
| [12:14:39] |
*** |
johnson has joined #zipit |
| [12:14:57] |
<rkdavis> |
ok back |
| [12:15:13] |
<vicscandl> |
must have been cereal and milk! |
| [12:15:21] |
<rkdavis> |
eggs and cheese |
| [12:15:32] |
<vicscandl> |
hehehe no comment |
| [12:15:37] |
<rkdavis> |
cereal and half and half for me |
| [12:16:10] |
<vicscandl> |
so far its coffee and a bag of pills... |
| [12:16:20] |
<vicscandl> |
(vitamin supplements) |
| [12:16:26] |
<rkdavis> |
that's the wife's breakfast |
| [12:16:29] |
<vicscandl> |
food comes in a few hours... |
| [12:16:33] |
<rkdavis> |
coffee and vicodn |
| [12:16:48] |
<vicscandl> |
damn, what ever happened to coffee and a bong rip? |
| [12:17:17] |
<rkdavis> |
that was over 25 years ago |
| [12:17:24] |
<vicscandl> |
i digress, this is #zipit, not #badhabbits |
| [12:17:35] |
<rkdavis> |
and not the bongrip but beer on cereal and coffee |
| [12:17:43] |
<vicscandl> |
hahahahahah |
| [12:17:53] |
<vicscandl> |
i tried that once. Once. |
| [12:18:38] |
<rkdavis> |
well my worst habit was being stoned while in goal in field hockey at college |
| [12:19:04] |
<rkdavis> |
"resin" in a bottle of beer just before the start of the game |
| [12:19:54] |
<rkdavis> |
and that explains why i was banned for life from under 35s collegate field hockey on 25th birthday until i was 37 when they recsinded the ban |
| [12:20:17] |
<rkdavis> |
ok i did knock out the referee and 3 coeds but well they got between me and the ball |
| [12:20:43] |
<rkdavis> |
and so what if i had /modified/ my stick with coinds and gaffer tape |
| [12:20:55] |
<rkdavis> |
not as if i MEANT to break her leg |
| [12:21:28] |
<rkdavis> |
no sense of humour these hockey rule makers |
| [12:22:47] |
*** |
dolphin has joined #zipit |
| [12:23:36] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos#5401793984022747330 that's what foxx's serial mod looks like |
| [12:24:28] |
<rkdavis> |
iirc he's keyed it now and does rx,tx and gnd from the zipit |
| [12:27:39] |
*** |
dolphin_ has quit IRC |
| [12:32:36] |
<vicscandl> |
rkdavis: wish i would have waited one more day to talk to you about this whole thing... :( |
| [12:32:50] |
<vicscandl> |
cest le vie |
| [12:33:31] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: you live and learn and well it's only a small mod required to fix it and well look at it this way now you'll have a serial port on your zipit |
| [12:33:42] |
<rkdavis> |
always a handy thing to have a serial port |
| [12:34:05] |
<vicscandl> |
yea, i like the idea of that as well.... use this badboy on headless hardware? hell yes, one more use. |
| [12:34:39] |
<vicscandl> |
so what is that big port off the back of the z2? |
| [12:35:04] |
<rkdavis> |
it's the expansion dock port |
| [12:35:12] |
<vicscandl> |
??? |
| [12:35:18] |
<rkdavis> |
the pinouts are on the zipit site |
| [12:35:34] |
<vicscandl> |
was just headed there |
| [12:35:54] |
<rkdavis> |
nothing has been made for that ihat has been released but it has i2c iirc and camera and usb client pins |
| [12:39:14] |
<vicscandl> |
would be nice to have a charging station! |
| [12:50:53] |
*** |
GPSFan has joined #zipit |
| [12:51:20] |
<vicscandl> |
oooo look! talk of a guru and one appears! |
| [12:51:57] |
<vicscandl> |
GPSFan: if you have a moment, i need to speak of installing a serial mod; I bricked my z2. |
| [12:52:12] |
<GPSFan> |
vicscandl: sure |
| [12:52:46] |
<vicscandl> |
rkdavis spoke of using this hardware as well: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2177609# |
| [12:52:48] |
<GPSFan> |
vicscandl: what did you do to brick it? |
| [12:53:09] |
<vicscandl> |
fubared flashing using bad kernel apparently |
| [12:53:16] |
<vicscandl> |
ie: n00b move |
| [12:54:09] |
<vicscandl> |
black screen; 2 green leds; kb backlight flashes twice then goes dark. |
| [12:54:09] |
<GPSFan> |
well, if you erased or flashed over the bootloader partition, nothing short of JTAG will unbrick it. |
| [12:54:12] |
<rkdavis> |
GPSFan: he flashed the rootfs image rather than the kernel :) |
| [12:54:25] |
<GPSFan> |
over the kernel partition? |
| [12:54:27] |
<rkdavis> |
GPSFan: so his bootloader is ok |
| [12:54:32] |
<rkdavis> |
yup :) |
| [12:54:39] |
<GPSFan> |
k. |
| [12:54:44] |
<rkdavis> |
sorry vicscandlit's actually quite funny really |
| [12:54:50] |
<rkdavis> |
as it didn't happen to me |
| [12:54:59] |
<vicscandl> |
rkdavis: thanks for the input |
| [12:54:59] |
<rkdavis> |
although i have been close a few times :) |
| [12:55:32] |
<GPSFan> |
that cable from RS is about $30.00 too expensive, but I guess if you reeeeely need ont it might work. you will probably have to do some surgery on it in any case. |
| [12:55:51] |
<vicscandl> |
ok, give me your version? |
| [12:56:09] |
<rkdavis> |
GPSFan: sweetlilmre, marex and fox said that you can use that rs cable and then not need to use a max232e as a level shifter but i don't know if that is right or not |
| [12:56:20] |
<vicscandl> |
i'm handy, just sucks that its sunday. |
| [12:58:09] |
<GPSFan> |
rkdavis: I don't have one of those cables so I couldn't say for sure. but you eill definately have to take it apart and find out what's inside in order to make it work |
| [12:59:54] |
<GPSFan> |
this is what I've used for years on various projects that need ttl (5 or 3.3V) to RS232 levels. http://imagebin.ca/view/uCUbqnhX.html |
| [13:00:02] |
<rkdavis> |
GPSFan: yup i think they said just chopoff the end and use the wires -- i.e. it has the correct stuff in it to do all the /magic/ but at $34 it's too rich for me |
| [13:00:23] |
<vicscandl> |
i'm with rkdavis on the $ issue. |
| [13:00:37] |
<vicscandl> |
i've got a great electrical supply house a few blocks down the road. |
| [13:00:58] |
<GPSFan> |
yeah, me too, but consider what your time is worth and whether you need to do something "now" as opposed to a week or so from "now"... |
| [13:01:07] |
<rkdavis> |
lucky bleeder, i'm in NYC and nothing decent within a 20 mile radius |
| [13:01:33] |
<vicscandl> |
i would like to have the unit up by friday |
| [13:01:34] |
<vicscandl> |
:) |
| [13:01:39] |
<GPSFan> |
I'm in western Colorado, and nothing descent for 250 miles... |
| [13:01:46] |
<vicscandl> |
http://www.orvac.com/ |
| [13:01:58] |
<vicscandl> |
anytime you want me to put a rush on something, just ask |
| [13:01:59] |
<vicscandl> |
:) |
| [13:02:04] |
<vicscandl> |
i <3 favors |
| [13:02:09] |
<rkdavis> |
oh heaven |
| [13:02:41] |
*** |
dolphin has quit IRC |
| [13:02:42] |
<GPSFan> |
I have a fairly good junk box. |
| [13:02:46] |
<rkdavis> |
i miss where i grew up and the era -- every street almost had a decent electrical supply shop and radiospares and maplin were a phone call away |
| [13:03:15] |
<rkdavis> |
when maplin were't a dumbed down catalog store |
| [13:03:30] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [13:03:43] |
<vicscandl> |
ok GPSFan, got a parts list for me? |
| [13:04:04] |
<vicscandl> |
or the correct howto to follow for this operation-de-zipit |
| [13:04:54] |
<rkdavis> |
vicscandl: ah fullerton, i habe friends that live in that area but i lived a bit north from there in the early 90s |
| [13:05:28] |
<vicscandl> |
yea, i've been here just about all my life. :) |
| [13:06:38] |
<rkdavis> |
well a bit north == berkeley, livermore, pleasaton, walnut creek, hayward etc. :) |
| [13:06:46] |
<GPSFan> |
vicscandl: 1ea MAX233A (sample from Maxim, takes about a week), 1ea 2.2uf electrolytic, some wire, solder, a piece of scrap non-conducting stuff to glue it down to. |
| [13:07:09] |
<rkdavis> |
but used to hop in the car and take a 4 or 5 hour drive every few days just for the hell of it and often ended up down your way |
| [13:10:36] |
<GPSFan> |
the advantage of a ttl-rs232 converter is that sometimes the usb-serial driver has issues. it for sure did on the usb-serial I used on the Z1, haven't tried it on the Z2. |
| [13:11:44] |
<vicscandl> |
GPSFan: follow these instructions then? http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=82 |
| [13:22:58] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [13:25:36] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [13:26:01] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [13:33:46] |
<vicscandl> |
GPSFan: the howto i found uses a MAX3235E. I am not an EE in anyway; what is the difference? |
| [13:36:22] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [13:38:01] |
<GPSFan> |
the max233a I used is only rated for 5V input levels, the max3233e is rated for 3.3V levels. I had a 233a and in fact it works fine at 3.3V input levels. If you are going to get a real part get the 3233e. |
| [13:39:18] |
<vicscandl> |
so if i use the 233a you used, adjust my wiring to the proper pinouts: http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/images/zipitshifter.jpg |
| [13:45:29] |
<GPSFan> |
http://imagebin.ca/view/bxaFz6.html |
| [13:49:14] |
<vicscandl> |
GPSFan: thank you so much! |
| [13:58:50] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has quit IRC |
| [13:59:10] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has joined #zipit |
| [14:01:32] |
<GPSFan> |
vicscandl: np... |
| [14:02:55] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [14:24:56] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [14:25:51] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [14:26:36] |
*** |
maq1017_ has joined #zipit |
| [14:29:31] |
*** |
maq1017_ has quit IRC |
| [14:29:44] |
*** |
maq1017_ has joined #zipit |
| [14:31:01] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [14:51:47] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [15:05:22] |
*** |
johnson has quit IRC |
| [15:08:51] |
*** |
johnson_ has joined #zipit |
| [15:09:58] |
*** |
maq1017_ has quit IRC |
| [15:28:02] |
*** |
dmSla has joined #zipit |
| [15:28:42] |
*** |
dmSla has left #zipit |
| [15:29:31] |
*** |
dmSla has joined #zipit |
| [15:34:37] |
*** |
johnson_ is now known as johnson |
| [15:43:49] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [15:51:17] |
*** |
dolphin has joined #zipit |
| [16:11:19] |
*** |
Aliens has joined #zipit |
| [16:11:28] |
<Aliens> |
hello |
| [16:18:18] |
*** |
sirloin has joined #zipit |
| [16:18:38] |
*** |
sirloin has left #zipit |
| [16:21:09] |
<rkdavis> |
hi Aliens |
| [16:26:30] |
* |
flyback bbl |
| [16:26:50] |
*** |
dolphin has quit IRC |
| [16:27:32] |
*** |
maq1017 has joined #zipit |
| [17:04:38] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has quit IRC |
| [17:05:13] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has joined #zipit |
| [17:10:12] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has quit IRC |
| [17:10:32] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has joined #zipit |
| [17:27:01] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has quit IRC |
| [17:27:26] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has joined #zipit |
| [18:27:23] |
<Aliens> |
wow pretty busy in here |
| [18:28:55] |
<maq1017> |
busy but quiet |
| [18:29:45] |
<rkdavis> |
i'm busy playing with fbsplash on iz2s so doing alot of rebooting to get the progress bar positions right -- bloody rotated screen :) |
| [18:29:57] |
<rkdavis> |
RayHaque: you around? |
| [18:31:25] |
<Aliens> |
if someone were to run the oe build process and get all these packages for oe would they not be compatible with other zipits with oe on it? |
| [18:32:07] |
<rkdavis> |
yup they would be compatable |
| [18:32:21] |
<rkdavis> |
well userspacewise and as long as the initial setup was right |
| [18:32:41] |
<Aliens> |
so why doesnt someone post their packages somewhere?:D for people with slow computers like myself |
| [18:32:41] |
<rkdavis> |
Aliens: you can use the angstrom repositores if you have oe too |
| [18:32:53] |
<Aliens> |
angstrom doesnt appear to have dillo |
| [18:33:09] |
<Aliens> |
damned dillo is apparently a pain to get on the oe build |
| [18:33:11] |
<rkdavis> |
because most of us who have used/use oe have major amounts of patches and mostly now are u-booted |
| [18:33:26] |
<rkdavis> |
Aliens: why are you faffing around with dillo anyway |
| [18:33:34] |
<Aliens> |
cause i like dillo? |
| [18:33:38] |
<rkdavis> |
use ray's static build of links |
| [18:33:38] |
<Aliens> |
what alternatives are there |
| [18:33:43] |
<Aliens> |
dont care for links |
| [18:33:57] |
<rkdavis> |
it does graphics, it's smaller, lighter and looks quite good in the zipit |
| [18:34:15] |
<rkdavis> |
and dillo is ugly with a capital ug on the zipit |
| [18:34:15] |
<Aliens> |
links does graphics? |
| [18:34:19] |
<rkdavis> |
yes |
| [18:34:22] |
<Aliens> |
... |
| [18:34:29] |
<Aliens> |
where are rays static builds at then? |
| [18:34:30] |
<rkdavis> |
links2 has done graphics for may years |
| [18:34:48] |
<Aliens> |
<--- windows user:D |
| [18:34:50] |
<rkdavis> |
http://www.oddree.com/zipit/ |
| [18:35:13] |
<rkdavis> |
and grab the z2s-v202.zip and take it from there it's the last static build iirc |
| [18:35:36] |
<rkdavis> |
although the links there might also be static too |
| [18:35:43] |
<rkdavis> |
you have to run links as |
| [18:36:13] |
<rkdavis> |
links <url> -g --dfb:layer-rotate=90 --dfb:no-cursor |
| [18:37:38] |
<rkdavis> |
http://www.oddree.com/zipit/links2-zipitz2.zip that's the standalone static build |
| [18:41:43] |
*** |
dmSla has quit IRC |
| [18:43:14] |
<Aliens> |
what is with all you linux critters, and your cmd line |
| [18:45:40] |
<rkdavis> |
well that's coz the windows cli sucks |
| [18:45:50] |
<rkdavis> |
and my main comp is windows |
| [18:46:01] |
<Aliens> |
i agree the windows cli sucks |
| [18:46:08] |
<Aliens> |
but then thats not that big of a deal |
| [18:46:33] |
<Aliens> |
also that links ...link you sent me does not work in oe, segfault |
| [18:46:46] |
<rkdavis> |
which one? |
| [18:47:06] |
<Aliens> |
links2-zipitz2.zip |
| [18:49:06] |
* |
flyback is going to have to get a zip2 eventually :P |
| [18:49:26] |
<maq1017> |
its worth it, if a little bit of a novelty lol |
| [18:49:32] |
<Aliens> |
its fun so far, the only thing i dont like is oe |
| [18:49:37] |
<Aliens> |
slower then hell |
| [18:49:43] |
<maq1017> |
yeah, true |
| [18:49:54] |
<maq1017> |
but then its a small device, its never going to be blisteringly quick |
| [18:50:07] |
<maq1017> |
i find i turn mine on for cool factor, not really much use though hehehehe |
| [18:50:14] |
<Aliens> |
no no |
| [18:50:16] |
<maq1017> |
just need to have pocket linux ;) |
| [18:50:19] |
<Aliens> |
i mean the oe build process |
| [18:50:29] |
<maq1017> |
oh i havent built anything myself |
| [18:52:27] |
<Aliens> |
me either |
| [18:52:29] |
<Aliens> |
but i'd like too |
| [18:53:39] |
<maq1017> |
im a great sysadmin, but i admit i know nothing about programming other than the odd change to someones source |
| [18:53:47] |
<maq1017> |
so i dont mess with it hehehe |
| [18:54:14] |
<maq1017> |
i dont know how these guys write firmware and port code |
| [18:54:14] |
<Aliens> |
meh, coding is all about messing with stuff |
| [18:54:21] |
<Aliens> |
slowly |
| [18:54:38] |
<maq1017> |
oh yeah, i can programme in 4 languages and play about with another 2-3, but not to this kinda level |
| [18:54:40] |
<rkdavis> |
Aliens: sorry was dishing up food |
| [18:54:53] |
<Aliens> |
np |
| [18:54:55] |
<rkdavis> |
ok try the one in the *202.zip file |
| [18:54:56] |
<maq1017> |
i dont know where people start with writing firmware :) |
| [18:55:13] |
<Aliens> |
it depends on how much info you have on the device |
| [18:55:56] |
<Aliens> |
after all firmware hardly differs from any other program |
| [18:56:00] |
<maq1017> |
yeah i guess it does.. but i remember in the Xbox Linux scene people figuring out how to access certain parts of the i2c bus, i cant even start to get into that level of detail |
| [18:56:03] |
<maq1017> |
i'd like to though |
| [18:56:29] |
<Aliens> |
well if you dont have much info on the device you are writing the firmware for |
| [18:56:36] |
<Aliens> |
then you must really love breaking stuff, and flashing |
| [18:59:21] |
<Aliens> |
rkdavis i didnt dl any of the z2shells |
| [19:00:32] |
<rkdavis> |
Aliens: if you extract the links from 202 or lower the links should work as its a static build |
| [19:00:34] |
*** |
dmSla has joined #zipit |
| [19:01:05] |
<Aliens> |
203 isnt a static build? |
| [19:01:16] |
<rkdavis> |
203 is shared libs |
| [19:01:52] |
<Aliens> |
ah |
| [19:03:05] |
*** |
maq1017 has quit IRC |
| [19:05:38] |
<rkdavis> |
w00t top gear has finished downloading :) |
| [19:05:51] |
<dTal> |
nice |
| [19:05:55] |
<dTal> |
onOE now |
| [19:06:10] |
<dTal> |
got it online, now trying to install elinks |
| [19:06:20] |
<dTal> |
*links2 |
| [19:06:42] |
<dTal> |
ipkg not happy |
| [19:07:36] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: what's the error |
| [19:07:52] |
<dTal> |
wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-cvmhI1 http://oracle.aliosa27.net/zipit2/ipk/armv5te/Packages |
| [19:07:57] |
<Aliens> |
its down |
| [19:08:05] |
<dTal> |
yeah I figured |
| [19:08:11] |
<rkdavis> |
yup don't use aliosa's repoitories |
| [19:08:13] |
<Aliens> |
i ran into that problem too |
| [19:08:19] |
<rkdavis> |
there are angstrom ones |
| [19:08:24] |
<Aliens> |
angstroms dont have links dillo, or anything like that... |
| [19:08:38] |
<dTal> |
I managed to install screen |
| [19:08:45] |
<rkdavis> |
lety me see if i have them built |
| [19:08:49] |
<dTal> |
I had to update first |
| [19:09:52] |
<Aliens> |
202 seg faults too |
| [19:09:59] |
<Aliens> |
the links from it |
| [19:10:16] |
<dTal> |
and may I just take this oppurtunity to say, ssh is awesome and means that despite screwing around incessantly with my zipit, it still works for chatting |
| [19:10:44] |
<dTal> |
I haven't chatted online not using my zipit for days |
| [19:10:47] |
<dTal> |
weeks even |
| [19:11:44] |
<dTal> |
so what's the approved, organic bona-fide rubber-stamped surgeon-general-approved way of running OE? |
| [19:11:52] |
<Aliens> |
slowly |
| [19:12:06] |
<rkdavis> |
dTal: the sourceforge site |
| [19:12:19] |
<Aliens> |
I'm at task 149 of 747 after like 4 hours |
| [19:12:20] |
<rkdavis> |
it's the only /official/ zipit oe environment |
| [19:12:27] |
<rkdavis> |
anything else is not /blessed/ |
| [19:13:46] |
<rkdavis> |
ok sorry my oe setup is currently broken, i'll need to redo it again sometime |
| [19:15:09] |
<Aliens> |
bleh links isnt in 201 |
| [19:15:13] |
<Aliens> |
and doesnt work in 202 or 203 |
| [19:15:34] |
<rkdavis> |
203 i can understand but 202 i'm flummuxed as i used that in debian and oe |
| [19:15:36] |
<dTal> |
rkdavis: so what are you running? |
| [19:15:52] |
<rkdavis> |
dtal uboot and .31 oe and iz2s |
| [19:16:00] |
<Aliens> |
im not running the "official" oe build |
| [19:16:03] |
<Aliens> |
and i dont have uboot |
| [19:16:11] |
<Aliens> |
as i dont have a logic level converte |
| [19:16:12] |
<Aliens> |
r |
| [19:16:18] |
<dTal> |
all I know about what I have is that the file was called zipit2-audio+x+mouse.tar.gz |
| [19:16:28] |
<Aliens> |
thats aliosa's oe image afaik |
| [19:16:43] |
<rkdavis> |
that's just the oe from sourceforge with X and mouse added |
| [19:16:48] |
<dTal> |
I didn't know it was so complicated |
| [19:17:02] |
<rkdavis> |
it's the oe recipie wireless-image |
| [19:17:09] |
<Aliens> |
well it is the process of making a device do something it was never intended to do |
| [19:17:18] |
<Aliens> |
its not like the z2 was originally marketed as an open linux platform:D |
| [19:18:18] |
<dTal> |
so how do I get links2? or anything? I really don't know the process |
| [19:19:05] |
<dTal> |
ipkg install screen worked, but links2 didn't, and I don't know what repo I'm using, how to find out of how to change it, or what to if I did |
| [19:19:16] |
<rkdavis> |
bbiab |
| [19:19:37] |
<Aliens> |
well i was messing with ipkg/opkg and it seems by default its configured to use aliosa's and angstroms unstable "feeds" |
| [19:20:04] |
<Aliens> |
aliosas' is down, and angstrom's doesnt appear to have any web browsers in it |
| [19:20:34] |
<Aliens> |
so right now it seems the only easy way to get a web browser with oe is to build it yourself |
| [19:20:39] |
<Aliens> |
which is what im doing |
| [19:20:40] |
<Aliens> |
building dillo |
| [19:20:51] |
<dTal> |
I don't care for dillo |
| [19:21:11] |
<dTal> |
too bloated |
| [19:21:29] |
<dTal> |
:) |
| [19:21:53] |
*** |
RayHaque has quit IRC |
| [19:22:21] |
<Aliens> |
i like gui's:D |
| [19:22:32] |
<Aliens> |
though im gonna try and build links also |
| [19:24:58] |
<Aliens> |
but right now im gonna go to bed |
| [19:25:02] |
<Aliens> |
gnight |
| [19:31:04] |
<dTal> |
ahh, I can't turn off mouse emulation |
| [19:32:08] |
<dTal> |
I have killed the process |
| [19:32:34] |
<Aliens> |
try /etc/init.d/z2mouse-emu stop |
| [19:32:41] |
<Aliens> |
or something similar |
| [19:32:43] |
<Aliens> |
im just guessing |
| [19:43:21] |
<dTal> |
I don't get it |
| [19:43:35] |
<dTal> |
people have managed to get links2 running |
| [19:43:53] |
<dTal> |
without the dang rotated screen |
| [19:44:10] |
<dTal> |
but in debian it doesn't have rotate support |
| [19:44:22] |
<dTal> |
and in OE I can't seem to get it at all |
| [20:06:33] |
<dTal> |
It seems the angstrom repo has firfox in it. |
| [20:12:31] |
* |
dTal wonders if gtkfb could make it work |
| [20:21:58] |
*** |
Phyber0ptik has quit IRC |
| [20:52:50] |
<rkdavis> |
ok back, kid volunteered to goto the store so i don't need to get dressed after all |
| [20:52:56] |
<rkdavis> |
:) |
| [21:12:30] |
*** |
rr0d_ has joined #zipit |
| [21:13:49] |
*** |
rr0d has quit IRC |
| [21:27:46] |
<k5egg> |
only if he got to take your new BMW? |
| [21:28:50] |
<k5egg> |
that'd be funny |
| [21:29:10] |
<k5egg> |
running APRS, your kid takes your car... you leave your APRS on in there... he clocks in at 100+ in a few places. *OWNED* |
| [21:29:45] |
<k5egg> |
of course they make little flash drives that plug into your OBD2 sensor that do the same thing |
| [22:09:25] |
*** |
dmSla has quit IRC |
| [23:20:44] |
*** |
GPSFan has quit IRC |
