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hi all... I have a question new Zipit, just flashed and used Aliosa's tgz for the root fs... Seems when I'm on battery power, the unit cuts out (sleeps) and isn't wakeup-able again... Anyone encountered this please?

[09:01:35]

maq1017: Lurk for a bit. It's still a little early for this channel.

[09:03:00]

oh im lurking :)

[09:03:20]

:-)

[09:03:25]

Me too - for months now!

[09:04:00]

:P

[09:05:35]

<RayHaque_>

Count me in - for lurking.

[09:06:10]

My poor Z2 is on the floor next to the couch at home.

[09:06:17]

anyone else experiencing any sleep issues on battery power?

[09:06:44]

question for the lurkers :) it might be as i used Aliosa's tgz file system instead of the 1gb/2gb img files, maybe tweaks were made

[09:07:17]

I don't even know what I have loaded on mine anymore. :-/

[09:09:32]

did u nuke it or something?

[09:10:42]

Me? No. It's just had a number of things flashed into it. Forgot where I left off.

[09:11:15]

Im wondering if i have an old kernel version or something, im sure power saving when on battery issues would have been noticed by now

[09:17:38]

id love to know how to get kernel messages on screen too instead of the pretty picture at boot

[09:17:56]

<RayHaque_>

maq1017: I couldn't say. I have only used the stock Z2 Shell, and my modifications to it. As it stands now, I don't have any power savings.

[09:18:23]

<RayHaque_>

maq1017: Aliosa27 was trying to build backlight controls for me ... not sure where that stands.

[09:19:20]

backlight controls are pretty easy, unless you want them powered via a keymap

[09:19:38]

i dont have any specific power savings either, just aliosa's tgz file with the debian install

[09:19:52]

but still on battery mine just calls it quits after 5 mins, unless im using it

[09:22:46]

<dTal>

Mine doesn't suspend, but does go into power save by turning off backlights

[09:23:08]

yeah, mine does that fine on power.. but on battery the thing just, well sleeps i think.. and doesnt wake

[09:23:28]

<dTal>

I wish I knew which program did it, so I can invoke it without having to wait

[09:23:41]

i thought bad battery first, but not so as if i keep using it its works fine...

[09:23:57]

Ray, if you want to work on turning off backlight controls look at /sys/bus/platform/devices/pwm*

[09:24:12]

<dTal>

I can turn backlights on and off manually, but when the backlight is off I can't see to type in the backlight on command

[09:24:15]

there are two, in which there is a file called brightness.. if you echo a value into it the levels change

[09:24:28]

heheh

[09:25:03]

do u know where the best place is for the latest kernel? just want to be sure im running the most up to date.. assume sourceforge,

[09:25:27]

<dTal>

there's obviously a lid driver implemented because it turns the screen back on in I open the lid (after closing it and letting it turn off).

[09:26:37]

hmmm, see now mine doesnt do that :)

[09:26:50]

i must be running something old... can i ask where you got your rootfs from ?

[09:27:24]

i assume you mean the display turns off when the lid is shut?

[09:27:30]

<dTal>

aliosa27 2 gig image

[09:27:50]

<dTal>

no, I have to close the lid and let it time out the way it nory does

[09:27:54]

oh right

[09:28:10]

<dTal>

but it turns back on by itself when I open it

[09:28:15]

maybe it is the same then... did u get an image file to phsywrite or dd on to the card?

[09:28:30]

or just tar extract the lot? i wonder if i should get the img file instead

[09:28:47]

<dTal>

I dd'd an img

[09:29:18]

<dTal>

Think I'll get rid of the dumb fat partition

[09:29:26]

do u have the URL? i got my files from aliosa27.net/projects/

[09:29:30]

maybe its not the latest

[09:52:02]

maq1017: the only way to get the kernel messages on a zipit (atm) is to have the serial mod done and watch as they go passed in a comms prog on a serial terminal

[09:52:54]

maq1017: your battery probs do sound a bit iffy though as i have mine sitting around on mains and battery for hours and no probs with it shutting down

[09:53:24]

and not beign able to "wake" it

[09:56:06]

and the /latest/ prebuilt kernel's are on aliosa27's site (avoid the debian IMHO) and use the oe kernel -- the sourceforge site is now really only for people who have changed the bootloader on their zipit unless you want to spend a few hours mucking around in bitbake

s/kernel/rootfs

morning GPSFan

and morning all

rkdavis: g'day

<RayHaque_>

Welcome green elf!

[10:21:09]

<dTal>

Turning off the keyboard backlight has done wonders for the battery life

[10:22:01]

RayHaque_: you never got any further with the power stuff on stock?

[10:22:46]

<RayHaque_>

Nope. I think that aliosa was making some pretty good progress with it.

[10:23:08]

<RayHaque_>

But I have a feeling that he got busy with work/life and had to shelve it for a while.

[10:23:27]

<RayHaque_>

Last I heard, he had it "working" but there were still some bugs he needed to work out.

[10:24:11]

RayHaque_: ok -- btw have you had any luck in getting z2script.sh calling other scripts? i've tried everything and so far now had much luck

[10:24:24]

was trying to get it to call another script to parse a config file

[10:27:44]

<RayHaque_>

Hrm. Have not tried that.

[10:29:34]

calling a script to parse a series of something=somethingelse in a config file seemed the best way to do it rather than faffing with grep/sed and awk but looks like i'll have to do some creative greppign instead

[10:36:26]

<dTal>

qo$

[10:39:31]

RayHaque_ can you do me a favour and check whether sed or awk are in the /stock/ bin dir please -- i only have sd cards with my mods on so now shell running

[10:44:20]

<RayHaque_>

I think they are ... I will check.

[10:44:34]

thnx

[10:44:53]

<RayHaque_>

sed is, awk is *not*.

[10:45:02]

ok i'll have to use that then

[10:45:08]

<RayHaque_>

Oh, but gawk is.

[10:45:40]

i was using multiple files but it would be easier and less trouble prone to just have one file with

ssid=xxxxxx

passphrase=xxxxxxx

defaulturl=xxxxxxx

in it rather than 3 files

[10:46:46]

so i need to turn the values into usable strings in the z2script.sh

[10:47:14]

at the moment i have a file ssid.txt that just has the value in and cat that

[10:48:09]

i was trying to see if i could call another script with the conf file name as an arguement and use .$1 to turn it into $ valiues

[10:52:16]

<RayHaque_>

rkdavis: Have you seen the comments that "wicknix" has been leaving on my blog?

[10:52:21]

nope

[10:52:28]

<RayHaque_>

rkdavis: He has built some really useful stuff. Like bash. :-)

[10:52:35]

yup he told me yesterday

[10:52:39]

bash and busybox

[10:52:44]

<RayHaque_>

He also rebuilt busybox with support for just about everything.

[10:52:49]

i tried them yesterday

[10:52:56]

<RayHaque_>

Yeah. I need to get this stuff bundled up.

[10:53:04]

i had a busybox with everything in it already but not bash

[10:53:14]

<RayHaque_>

My "image" is a real mess right now. I have been experimenting with too many packages at once.

[10:53:20]

:)

[10:53:27]

yup you need to do a v4 now

[10:53:35]

<RayHaque_>

Yes I do!

[10:53:49]

so i can pull out all the stuff i don't need and redo my /kiosk/ version

[10:54:21]

i.e. dump an image to the fb, start the wifi from a config file, go into links and reboot/poweroff on exit from links

[11:11:43]

<gbpic>

On power consumption: what's the general consensus on battery life? Like others, since I've dimmed my keyboard and backlight, I've seen rather large battery life increases, though I've yet to time it...

[11:34:32]

ok had a homer moment and realised i should just source the config file and then some judicious sedding to remove and extranious characters at line end :)

[11:34:35]

doh!

[12:16:31]

think i will try the stuff off aliosa's site fresh, and double check its all working ok.. maybe the version i picked up was flawed

[12:56:18]

<RayHaque_>

Have any of you heard about this "cherrypal" company? They have a $99 netbook.

[12:56:29]

<RayHaque_>

It's slow - and weak. But it's $99. Pretty near.

[12:56:55]

<RayHaque_>

The site is getting *hammered* so the page may load slow or not at all, but there it is: http://www.cherrypal.com/openstore/product_info.php?products_id=5

[13:19:05]

Can you get it in the USA yet?

[13:19:55]

<RayHaque_>

I believe so.

[13:20:45]

You're pure evil to tell me that.

[13:22:08]

RayHaque yup i was looking at that a few days ago and again yesterday

[13:22:20]

<RayHaque_>

=D

[13:22:26]

Touch panel? For real?

[13:22:29]

looks actually quite decent for what it is although you have to hope you get a decent cpu

[13:23:20]

it'd do perfectly for what i want/need to do but only if it's the arm or mips version well the x86 would be ok too but i'd prefer arm or mips

[13:23:29]

Hope?

[13:23:56]

they just buy up any old surplus stock so you don't know the exact specs you'll get until you get it

[13:24:09]

could be arm, mips or x86 could be win ce or linux

[13:24:23]

could be weird or not just the luck of the draw

[13:24:37]

Sounds spec'ed to me. 400Mhz, blah, blah.

[13:24:45]

read more about it

[13:24:49]

that is the min spec

[13:25:01]

other than that it's a pot luck

[13:25:13]

you could get a mips or arm or x86 cpu

[13:25:14]

Where did you see that?

[13:25:22]

the body might have a few scratches on it

[13:25:32]

everywhere that has written about it

[13:26:04]

"CherryPal, which Slashdot last covered back in 2008, has released a $99 netbook, the Africa, aimed at the developing world but (unlike the OLPC) available for sale to the consumer. But unlike most netbooks, the Africa is not actually made to a set design. Instead, it uses a hacker-like approach similar to the way home PC builders build their cheap beige boxes. CherryPal purchases odd lots of whatever components are available most inexpen

[13:26:15]

I've only seen two other articles about it.

[13:26:25]

there are at least 20 or 30 :)

[13:26:35]

that's the /. summary

[13:28:59]

http://www.teleread.org/2009/12/21/more-on-the-bits-and-pieces-99-cherrypal-africa-netbook/ another is that link that leads to the ceo's blog posts about it

[13:30:19]

reading

[13:33:05]

Interesting.

[13:33:45]

i sort of like the potluck aspect but only if i get the one i'd want :) arm would be more useful but mips more fun

[13:33:53]

x86 would be ok too but kinda boring

[13:34:14]

I love "small, slow, sufficient".

[13:34:30]

also there have been a few problems with cherrypal from what i can see too

[13:34:52]

Yea

[13:34:58]

did a runner and closed down possibly in the uk and heard some rumours that people ordered and paid for other stuff from them and it never got shipped

[13:35:03]

and a few other things too

[13:35:10]

but interesting how you can pay too

[13:35:16]

credit card or western union

[13:35:29]

Western Union?!

[13:35:32]

yup

[13:36:08]

i went as far as the confirm purchase and it says pay by credit card or western union and that on the final page they will give you the wu instructions and send you an email on how to do it

[13:36:45]

Ever hear of these guys? http://www.norhtec.com Been looking at picking up some of their toys for testing.

[13:36:45]

if i had $150 or so spare atm i'd have done it just for fun but i have to pay $300 towards electricity bill by the 28th

[13:36:53]

yup i love the gecko

[13:37:11]

i was thinkling about that but again no cssh

[13:37:14]

cash even

[13:37:25]

Really. That's good to know. People in the only forum I could find didn't sound all that impressed.

[13:37:35]

i did go as far as get a quote in june but it was a demo model with known wifi problems

[13:38:07]

it's the idea of the gecko and it's power supply that really peeks my interest

[13:38:34]

i miss being about to use double a's in a laptop and run it for days off them :) i.e. tandy model 100/2 and amstrad nc100 et al

[13:38:42]

I remember that. I got a quote at the same time. :-P

[13:38:59]

"Days" is 4 hours on the Gecko. More like a Sega Game Gear than a T100.

[13:39:46]

(And if I remember right, the Game Gear only needed six - not eight - batteries!)

[13:39:58]

yup but in an emergency you could buy a 36pack of nicads or litium double a's and keep going

[13:40:22]

Yep. That's why I love my Flip video camera.

[13:43:39]

You could probably really whack someone upside the head with 8-AA cells in there. :-)

[13:44:05]

yup not only a computer but also a self-defence tool too

[13:44:27]

The video shows the back panel. Standard 3-prong computer power plug.

[14:09:12]

ahhh i found the cause of my zipit sleep/lockup

[14:09:36]

maq1017: what was it?

[14:09:49]

mingetty

[14:09:59]

i prefer mingetty on each tty, seems that was causing the crapout

[14:10:06]

just a general linux preference, u know ;)

[14:11:01]

i say each tty, i only had one anyway.. but still... moving back to getty fixed it

[14:11:06]

ah

[14:11:38]

<RayHaque_>

Hrm. I don't know how useful this new busybox is going to be. :-(

[14:12:01]

<RayHaque_>

I think busybox is wrapped up in the initfs with the kernel.

[14:12:45]

i liked mingetty as it got rid of the splash screen, guess i will put up with the splash instead :D

[14:29:18]

ooh. maybe not.. my ZipIt just crashed out again

[14:31:01]

maybe its just my battery is crap.. great for a new device

[14:33:03]

Hit it with a volt meter.

[14:41:33]

yeah, its a good idea.. but i cant imagine why its fine for a while, then shuts down.. its not even like the battery light is flashing

[14:41:37]

works fine on mains though

[14:41:41]

weirdness

[14:42:08]

maybe i just have a duff

[14:43:45]

Duff Beer!

[14:43:58]

mmm beer

[14:44:38]

definitely gotta be the batt now its dying all over the place lol

[14:45:08]

where's the best place to get known clean version of the kernel pls? all my links have been from blogs, just wanna be sure im running latest

[15:23:32]

RayHaque_: still around?

[15:23:49]

you said there was gawk but no awk in the stock ?

[15:24:24]

that gecko netbook is pretty cool.

[15:25:21]

<RayHaque_>

rkdavis: There is no awk or gawk in the stock Z2, but I have added gawk to IZ2S.

[15:25:41]

ah that's the prob then i need to bring gawk across

[15:26:30]

ok i'll need to grab that out of the static version

[15:29:50]

RayHaque_: gawk isn't in core utils or the bin -- any idea where you put it?

[15:32:08]

<RayHaque_>

rkdavis: It should be in /mnt/sd0/bin?

[15:32:15]

<RayHaque_>

I can upload it ... hang on.

[15:34:22]

<RayHaque_>

http://oddree.com/zipit/gawk

[15:34:25]

<RayHaque_>

There you go.

[15:34:38]

thnx

[15:34:45]

static gawk?

[15:34:56]

<RayHaque_>

Yup!

[15:35:41]

k

[15:40:23]

do you guys know if the gecko netbook (sorry i was late for the convo) uses a standard form factor for its 'motherboard'

[15:52:57]

so my gf got me a z2 for christmas; best location for n00b to read up on getting debian (or other) onto z2?

[15:53:03]

(yea, killer gf eh?)

[15:53:48]

vicscandl: linux.zipitwireless.com for general linux stuff , also hunterdavis.com for debian guide

[15:54:12]

and yes, killer gift haha, depends how much you spent on her though lol

[15:55:06]

quite a bit

[15:55:23]

hmm, and you only got 1 zipit?

[15:56:06]

so what is the more common pathway to linux on Z2?

[15:57:01]

Safest way is to run the "Zipit Shell" or "Improved ZipitShell", all you do is place files on an sd card, and there is no way to screw it up

[15:57:26]

next way (maybe most popular?) is to follow the guide on hunterdavis.com for installing a new kernel and debian rootfs

[15:57:36]

oh, so no reflashing or crap involved?

[15:57:58]

not using z2 shell, the debian stuff requires you to flash a new kernel

[15:58:16]

what is your personal feeling on thoes two methods?

[15:58:21]

although the debian is pretty safe imo, I ran it on 2 zipits and it worked fine

[15:58:46]

i would prefer the debian version, just because you can apt-get pretty much anything you want

[15:59:21]

When I first did it, I followed the guide on the hunterdavis.com site

[15:59:27]

so the SD method still runs the OS that came with the Z2, vs "full" linux system

[15:59:43]

by "full" i mean "real"

[16:00:03]

the stock zipit runs linux, just no terminal, all the Z2Shell does is put you in a terminal with wifi and a few apps

[16:00:26]

the debian let you run X (fluxbox is setup already) and you can apt-get tons of other things

[16:00:46]

they are both real linux systems though

[16:01:06]

ooooooo flux!

[16:01:10]

i <3 flux1

[16:01:35]

the Z2shell is nice though, because it boots really fast. Debian takes a min or two to boot

[16:01:55]

i think that first off i'll just do the SD method, then when i find i need something more bad.ss, i'll put debian on it

[16:02:21]

sirloin: thanks, i'm sure you will see more of me here.. :)

[16:02:51]

so nice that a company promotes the hacking of its hardware.... :)

[16:02:58]

vicscandl: no problem, others here have helped me a lot as well

[16:03:06]

yeah it is

[16:05:01]

The Impoved Z2 Shell might be a neat thing to try, I haven't tried it yet. RayHaque here is working on it still I believe (more features)

[16:05:09]

<RayHaque_>

That's right!

[16:05:15]

:)

[16:05:23]

<RayHaque_>

If you are going to try one or the other, you might as well run IZ2S.

[16:05:35]

<RayHaque_>

There really are no disadvantages of using it versus the stock shell.

[16:05:52]

<RayHaque_>

It's basically the stock Z2 Shell + a buncha' extras.

[16:05:53]

any of you guys have a beagleboard?

[16:06:46]

<RayHaque_>

Nope ... but it looks interesting.

[16:07:07]

<RayHaque_>

http://beagleboard.org/hardware

[16:07:45]

yeah I have one, just curious if anyone tried some of the other distros like android e

[16:08:55]

oh wow! thats a sexy board!

[16:09:51]

I still need to get my stupid debian zImage to a uImage to boot it… I want to try mplayer at 624mhz, It was a bit slow playing some videos at 416.

[16:10:46]

hows it going

[16:11:29]

<RayHaque_>

Mcavity: welcome back

[16:11:53]

<dTal>

qa

[16:12:14]

thanks

[16:12:22]

<dTal>

pppppppppppppppppppppqiwo3.......................................................

[16:12:39]

going out og my head trying to get my printer workign right with ghost script..

[16:14:33]

<dTal>

okay when I say random shit it's because I've been keeping my zipit in my pocket

[16:14:48]

lol

[16:14:52]

<dTal>

apologies for any disruption

[16:16:33]

<dTal>

the lid hits the keys when it's closed

[16:16:41]

it would be awesome if they standardizes that form factor for the x86 board in the gecko.. and if you could purchase different boards already, running different processors.

[16:17:04]

dTal: that happens to me as well, sometimes it turns on when I close the lid..

[16:18:16]

I think i just made it work! woo!

[16:18:32]

ugh i'm beginning to hate my zipit

[16:18:45]

why is that rkdavis?

[16:19:21]

<RayHaque_>

dTal: I have a solution for that. I stacked up labels on the sides of my keyboard.

[16:19:51]

<dTal>

RayHaque_: genius

[16:20:27]

because i am trying to read a config file into variables using gawk and it's not working although gawk is working and it's playing silly buggers and half the time booting into the stock app

[16:20:43]

hehe finaly after 2-3 days i think I have s aolution for my printer!I just need to try out a few things

[16:21:06]

ahh yeah, I always have to do the whole set-defaults thing before mine will boot into z2shell

[16:21:28]

and of course it has to try and be helpful and scan for wifi

[16:21:57]

SSID = `gawk -F"=" '/ssid/{print $2}' /mnt/sd0/home/config.txt`

[16:21:57]

PASSPHRASE = `gawk -F"=" '/passphrase/{print $2}' /mnt/sd0/home/config.txt`

[16:21:57]

MACADDR = `gawk -F"=" '/macaddr/{print $2}' /mnt/sd0/home/config.txt`

[16:21:57]

DEFAULTURL = `gawk -F"=" '/defaulturl/{print $2}' /mnt/sd0/home/config.txt`

[16:22:12]

that shoudl work on a file with name=value pairs but it's not

[16:22:19]

driving me nuts

[16:23:05]

and i know gawk works as when i do a gawk --version > /dev/tty0 it does print aload of crap

[16:32:13]

hehe I think im doing the most conveluted thing ever to get my printer to work..

[16:33:22]

im emulating a postscript printer with ghostscript.. in a virtual machine.

[16:33:25]

Mcavity: changing the pencil it uses?

[16:35:02]

heh may have to do that soon as toner seems to be getting low

[16:37:32]

i have ben stumped on a stupid undocumented bug in the setup.. but i stumbled on the answer and now.. i have no problems.. yay!

[16:37:48]

I should be able to get my windows 7 systems to print to it

[16:41:53]

ill have to give it a try

[16:50:56]

hello all

[16:53:45]

<RayHaque_>

See you all later.

[16:53:52]

<RayHaque_>

I am going to slip out for dinner and stuff.

[16:54:55]

bye

[16:55:06]

i just bought a zipit

[16:55:11]

z2

[16:55:44]

<Foxx>

how much, and from where?

[16:55:53]

<Foxx>

im looking to get a second one

[16:56:08]

$50, target

[16:56:28]

im hoping to hack it in some way

[16:56:49]

<Foxx>

its quite hackable being it runs linux natively, it just depends on what you want to do exactly

[16:57:05]

i was hoping to use it to browse the web

[16:57:30]

and add a usb port to power a device (no data transfer necessary)

[16:57:46]

<Foxx>

you got one with the intent of hacking it before looking into any available information?

[16:58:00]

it was a gift

[16:58:03]

sortof

[16:58:17]

cause i have the receipt

[16:58:25]

and i know the price lol

[16:58:46]

<Foxx>

whelp, there is a bunch of stuff you can do, but beinf a lil' handheld device it wont be up to par with something like a netbook

[16:58:52]

<Foxx>

being*

[16:59:08]

<Foxx>

the keyboard mapping is also a pain in the ass under linux

[16:59:16]

for $50 its price is not on par with a netbook anyway

[16:59:24]

<Foxx>

yah

[16:59:41]

<Foxx>

A lot of people have asked me "OMFG HOE CAN I RUN UBUNTU!!!!!!!'

[17:00:06]

on the zipit?!?

[17:00:09]

<Foxx>

yeah

[17:00:13]

i dont expect it to do that!

[17:00:17]

<Foxx>

good

[17:00:23]

<Foxx>

but its still fun to fuck with

[17:00:25]

im not completely stupid (i hope

[17:00:41]

<Foxx>

thats a resp[ectable trait right there

[17:00:53]

<Foxx>

how linux savvy are you?

[17:00:58]

do you get a lot of stupid here?

[17:01:03]

not that linux savvy

[17:01:05]

<Foxx>

Not at all

[17:02:20]

i currently run kubuntu 9.10

[17:02:20]

<Foxx>

a few idiots that cant use google now and again, but no teeny-boppers looking for leet haxx

[17:02:20]

but i dont know any bash scripts or anything

[17:02:21]

<Foxx>

as long as you know the core concepts of linux, you should be ok

[17:02:22]

<Foxx>

like... whats a shell, SSH, and basic commands to navigate

[17:02:22]

ok

[17:02:27]

ive compiled rockbox for the sansa m200 (with a tutorial)

[17:02:43]

<Foxx>

got my Sansa e260 running it as well

[17:02:50]

i love rockbox

[17:02:54]

<Foxx>

fuck yeah

[17:03:05]

i have an e280, a c250 and the m200 all running it

[17:03:15]

oh yeah and my fuze broke :-(

[17:03:30]

i may buy myself a clip for christmas

[17:03:33]

<Foxx>

my friend was given an ipod nano 5th gen for xmas

[17:03:43]

lol i <3 rockbox and sansas

[17:03:43]

<Foxx>

didnt even open it and she asked to toss rockbox onto it

[17:03:50]

good for her

[17:04:01]

<Foxx>

doesnt run on the nano 5g though

[17:04:04]

i have a strong distaste for ipods

[17:04:09]

yet...

[17:04:10]

<Foxx>

same

[17:04:20]

no but its at least good that she knew better

[17:04:22]

<Foxx>

im insanely happy with my e260

[17:04:27]

its epic

[17:04:44]

i have a 16 gb e280 with micro sd

[17:05:14]

i even use it for video

[17:05:20]

<Foxx>

I have a measly 2GB onboard with 8GB SDHC card

[17:05:20]

do you know anythingbutipod.com?

[17:05:26]

<Foxx>

yep

[17:05:42]

they have a bunch of e200 hacks

[17:05:53]

lol i broke an e250 trying one

[17:06:28]

<Foxx>

I am into embedded/firmware hacking, I have a lot of equipment to reflash stuff when I brick it

[17:06:41]

<Foxx>

not IF I brick it, WHEN

[17:06:47]

<Foxx>

cause I know I will

[17:06:47]

lol'

[17:06:59]

i do more hardware hacking

[17:07:05]

<Foxx>

thats what I do

[17:07:08]

or i try to do it

[17:07:13]

i mostly break stuff

[17:07:57]

<Foxx>

http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos# some of my projects and toys

[17:08:29]

about the zipit... is whoa thats way more than ive done lol

[17:08:32]

looks nice

[17:08:37]

<Foxx>

lol

[17:08:43]

<Foxx>

thats just the stuff ive been asked to take pics of

[17:08:57]

<Foxx>

I rather spend my time hacking than blogging about what I want to hack

[17:09:12]

so does the zipit have usb headers or whatever on the board?

[17:09:16]

<Foxx>

no

[17:09:17]

that makes sense

[17:09:29]

about the blogging and the usb

[17:09:40]

i see you added a serial port though

[17:09:42]

<Foxx>

only thing it has on the PCB is a serial port, and JTAG

[17:09:49]

<Foxx>

yeah

[17:10:05]

<Foxx>

the serial is for recovering from a bad kernel, but also allows me to use the Z2 as a terminal for headless stuff

[17:10:22]

<Foxx>

like my Linksys WRT, Linksys NSLU2 'Slug', and my ham radio TNC

[17:10:29]

<Foxx>

erm, TNC = modem

[17:10:29]

ah

[17:10:38]

i dont know what youre talking about

[17:10:45]

im not that advanced

[17:10:51]

but recovering is good

[17:10:54]

<Foxx>

lol

[17:11:07]

<Foxx>

some of my embedded devices dont have a display or input

[17:11:14]

is it hard to add the serial port? i have soldered some minor project

[17:11:18]

<Foxx>

I can use the Z2 hooked into a serial port and use shell

[17:11:24]

i have not seen a TNC in years

[17:11:27]

im sure thats good

[17:11:40]

i have the same router you do though

[17:11:41]

<Foxx>

vicscandl, i did a segment on building the TNC-x

[17:11:57]

wow, damn.

[17:12:04]

not that i know what to do with it

[17:12:05]

Embedded to the core eh?

[17:12:07]

<Foxx>

for the serial port, I know how to solder, so it wasnt too hard for me

[17:12:19]

<Foxx>

vicscandl, not as much as some of the people here, like GPSFan

[17:12:39]

Foxx: yea, i've seen his name quite a few times on the wiki

[17:12:40]

<Foxx>

im still learning, but I do fancy handhelds and embedded stuff

[17:13:13]

<Foxx>

I also do radio stuff, so having a portable device is handy

[17:13:17]

Foxx: hahahah, your computer area looks very similar to mine.

[17:13:37]

<Foxx>

I have a better pic in another gallery

[17:13:48]

you can do some very basic web work with lynx2 or dillo.. but at 320x240 its not exactly fun.

[17:14:04]

however email is quite doable.

[17:14:31]

<Foxx>

vicscandl, me working in the livingroom computer area: http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/Peoples#5154247103277788514

[17:14:55]

<Foxx>

I will actively work on 5 devices across 7 screens, plus VNC and shell sessions

[17:14:59]

<Foxx>

at once

[17:15:05]

yea, you and me both bro...

[17:15:24]

<Foxx>

my idea of multi-tasking is getting a chair with wheels

[17:15:29]

i'm assuming you are like me and have a computer to manage your computers?

[17:15:46]

<Foxx>

sorta'

[17:15:50]

foxx: i like your ghetto pc cases!

[17:15:54]

Foxx: Make Project: wi-fi golf cart server/workstation

[17:16:04]

<Foxx>

Phyber0ptik, which one?

[17:16:40]

the black amd sempron/ati/asus one

[17:16:54]

<Foxx>

link??

[17:17:02]

it just looks kinda....hacky? awesome? idk but i like it

[17:17:09]

http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/PCCases#5329774023688717938

[17:17:22]

<Foxx>

I am always finding computers in the trash, its hard to keep up with my stock of salvage

[17:17:33]

<Foxx>

Ahh, that one

[17:18:16]

yep

[17:18:19]

<Foxx>

I found a bunch in the trash and I knew some frineds needed em

[17:18:41]

<Foxx>

now if I can find a bricked Z2...

[17:18:54]

i need to find a rack in the trash some day.. i have some rackmount cases..

[17:19:11]

<Foxx>

check out Freecycle.org sometime

[17:19:23]

<Foxx>

depending on your area they might have something worth while now and again

[17:19:36]

<Foxx>

I also use it to find new homes for the stuff I dont need

[17:20:08]

<Foxx>

its piss easy for me to fix most 'trashed' electronics, from PCs to TVs and everything in between

[17:20:34]

<Foxx>

I get the experience in trubleshooting and repair, someone that needs a PC gets one

[17:20:51]

<Foxx>

or it goes in my lab and ill use it until it gets a good home

[17:22:06]

that seems like a good system

[17:22:11]

<Foxx>

yup

[17:22:12]

im making an account now

[17:22:18]

where do you live?

[17:22:25]

im in atlanta

[17:22:26]

<Foxx>

New York Shitty

[17:22:28]

<Foxx>

erm

[17:22:29]

<Foxx>

City

[17:22:53]

Foxx: you got it right the first time!

[17:23:19]

<Foxx>

im not fond of this festering asshole town

[17:23:30]

Foxx: btw: like the happy tree friends throw!

[17:23:34]

roflmao

[17:23:48]

<Foxx>

thanks! I its become a stable icon on my show

[17:23:53]

<Foxx>

-I

[17:24:24]

<Foxx>

I got it for hella' cheap, and just moved into my current apartment...

[17:24:49]

<Foxx>

I had an extra curtian rod, tossed it up on the wall, it looked good, so it stayed

[17:27:09]

Foxx: dude, love the pushpin... my old man used to do that too

[17:27:43]

<Foxx>

heh, yeah its an old school thing I learned from an ex-military electronics engineer back in high school

[17:28:13]

<Foxx>

its stupid things like that which makes life a little easier

[17:28:29]

<Foxx>

now if I knew how to make a PLCC socket adapter for my FlashROM emulator

[17:28:53]

<Foxx>

I need to get something that fits into the socket like a PLCC, but gives me a breakout of pads to solder leads to

[17:29:56]

<Foxx>

I tried to hollow out a fried PLCC and solder leads onto the traces in the chip itself, it worked once and when I tried to pull it out some of the leads broke

[17:31:54]

thats unfortunate

[17:32:31]

<Foxx>

live and learn

[17:33:06]

http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos#5312471647071646114 (really, i want one!)

[17:33:46]

<Foxx>

oh the things ive seen

that + vegas

shit

canot be unseen?

<Foxx>

check this out

[17:34:10]

<Foxx>

http://forums.bsodtv.org/WiVi-Scanning-t506.html

[17:36:04]

<Foxx>

the basic concept is simple, but once you get a WiVi scanner in your hands it becomes an art

[17:36:18]

<Foxx>

everyone has their own technique for hunting down signals

[17:37:22]

<Foxx>

I hope someone finds the USB Host pads on the Z2 so I can hook up bluetooth and wifi cards

oh snap

that would be epic

foxx

<Foxx>

I know the CPU has USB host built in, but I am not about to rip my CPU out to find out if they route anywhere

[17:40:17]

you you mean wifi scanning?

[17:40:27]

Lokichaos says his friend found the pins

[17:40:43]

<Foxx>

do they route to pads or vias?

[17:41:03]

oh using a zipit

[17:41:05]

dont know said it was close to the edge though

[17:41:06]

as a wifi scanner

[17:41:06]

nm

[17:41:34]

<Foxx>

well when the info is made available I will be damn sure to give it a whack

[17:42:12]

<Reddog^>

send me a z2 and i'll find it for you :)

[17:42:30]

<Foxx>

I said the same thing

[17:42:48]

<Foxx>

Reddog, congrats' on the Z1 stuff, I am glad you proved me wrong!

[17:42:54]

<Reddog^>

:)

[17:43:10]

what did you doo Reddog^?

[17:43:22]

i missed it

[17:43:26]

<Reddog^>

fixed the buildroot for the z1

[17:43:34]

<Foxx>

can you confirm if the Z1 kernel in OpenZipit has x.25 protocol support or not?

[17:43:41]

oh cool =)

[17:44:13]

<Reddog^>

x.25?

[17:44:19]

<Foxx>

aka KISS

[17:44:33]

<Foxx>

its a really old terminal protocol

[17:44:44]

<Reddog^>

ahh, not familiar with it

[17:44:53]

<Foxx>

most people arent these days

[17:45:06]

<Foxx>

we use it on ham radio for packet and data stuff

[17:45:11]

<Reddog^>

i would imagine it doesn't, or it's not compiled in anyway

[17:45:27]

<Reddog^>

everything was stripped out as much as possible

[17:45:28]

<Foxx>

I know the default linux kernel has it built in

[17:46:07]

<Foxx>

I can take a KISS terminal like the Z1 and hook it to my TNC (radio modem) and have a small portable terminal

[17:46:23]

<Foxx>

no need for a clunky and bulky setup

[17:46:28]

<Reddog^>

ahh

[17:46:46]

<Reddog^>

well i'm sure if it doesn't, you can recompile it in

[17:46:47]

<Foxx>

just need Minicom to talk to the TNC via serial, which the Z1 has

[17:47:04]

<Foxx>

Like I said, I am lacking in the coding department

[17:47:23]

<Reddog^>

ahh

[17:47:42]

<Foxx>

did you do the 5-wire mod to your Z2?

[17:48:57]

<Reddog^>

i have done no hardware mods as of this time

[17:50:03]

woohoo looks like the kid got an A- in his math class at college

[17:50:23]

prof emailed final grades to them but noty on the system yet\

[17:50:57]

cool

[17:51:13]

why has no one made a cheap color laser with duplexing? argh.

[17:51:27]

yup considering he was a c+ math student at high school

[17:53:22]

<Foxx>

rkdavis, you get that serial mod done?

[17:53:41]

<Foxx>

you still need me to hook it up for ya?

[17:54:04]

yup

[17:54:09]

still :)

[17:54:13]

<Reddog^>

i do need to get a sd slot added into my z1 though

[17:54:21]

<Reddog^>

but i don't really feel like buying the addon board

[17:54:23]

i.e. i am a lazy git

[17:54:31]

<Foxx>

Reddog, you can make it yourself

[17:54:39]

<Foxx>

all you need is an SD card holder

[17:54:46]

<Foxx>

molex will send free samples

[17:55:04]

<Reddog^>

meh. i need to put in an order to digikey soon anyway

[17:55:18]

<Reddog^>

free samples take too long

[17:55:41]

<Foxx>

better than $8 s&h for a single part

[17:56:22]

<Reddog^>

i don't pay shipping, i just stick what i want on the order at work ;)

[17:56:29]

<Foxx>

rkdavis, let me know when you are avilable so we can do some damage

[17:58:24]

ok will do

[17:58:35]

<dTal>

now installing jamvm to see if I can run Opera mini

[17:58:59]

wait something was free?

[17:59:37]

<dTal>

wonder if I can persuade it to render onto the framebuffer

[18:00:11]

<dTal>

that'd be badass, full graphical browsing without X

[18:15:09]

foxx: best hack so far: http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos#5125070366765020994

[18:32:58]

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/computers

[19:41:54]

rkdavis: i so just sent that to my mother and uncle! thanks!

[19:42:32]

lol

[19:45:16]

<Reddog^>

http://sugarmegs.org/posternutbag/Dizzy.gif

[19:46:21]

i want the 25th to be here effing yesterday! (i don't get my z2 hardware until then!)

[20:18:54]

0kiu6y ,mmmm8~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~;./////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////~56~~

[20:19:01]

Sorry about that.

[20:19:25]

The cat was walking around on my keyboard at some point and it seemed like an endless amount of backspacing.

[20:19:27]

<dTal>

RayHaque: Zipit in pocket?

[20:19:31]

<dTal>

Oh.

[20:19:34]

:-D

[20:20:43]

<dTal>

fun fact: I parsed 'cat' as the command line utility on first readthrough.

[20:21:25]

<dTal>

Perhaps I'm spending too much time in unix-land.

[20:22:04]

<Foxx>

When I was hacking my Series 2 Tivo a few years back, my g/f tols me I was grumbling linux commands in my sleep

[20:22:09]

<Foxx>

told*

[20:23:15]

<dTal>

What's best are those weird dreams that combine sex and hacking.

[20:23:28]

dTal: Go on?

[20:28:11]

<dTal>

http://everything2.com/user/jt/writeups/qualitative+comparison+of+assembly+language+and+unprotected+sex

[20:29:02]

<dTal>

I had to retype that, sorry for delay

[20:29:34]

<dTal>

also, this wifi is dropping packets like crazy and I'm doing all this over ssh.

[20:30:14]

<dTal>

which, by the way, is the only viable way to use the zipit and hack on it at the same time.

[20:31:06]

Yeah, I hear ya there.

[20:31:12]

What image are you using?

[20:34:43]

<dTal>

Debian. rkdavis says it's incomplete and sucks, but I like debian.

[20:35:04]

Well, it's probably the most *complete* thing you can find.

[20:35:19]

<dTal>

See, I lost the connection for about two minutes. It isn't always like this.

[20:35:27]

I tried to start with the Z2 Shell and then add just the things I want. But ... it's been harder than I though.

[20:35:31]

*t

[20:35:56]

<dTal>

I want everything. And I'm lazy.

[20:35:57]

And ... with the drivers being closed source, the hacking tools are a bit limited.

[20:36:14]

I did build tcpdump though, and it *mostly* works.

[20:36:25]

<Foxx>

oh really?

[20:36:33]

<dTal>

I can't ignore a massive stockpile of intercompatible apps built for my architecture.

[20:36:41]

I was just happy to see MAC addy's ... so that I can mooch wifi from paying customers. :-)

[20:36:59]

<dTal>

Wait, I thought no promisc mode?

[20:37:13]

That is correct.

[20:37:26]

The result then, is a lot of frames that tcpdump doesn't really understand.

[20:37:36]

But on a wireless network, it aparently still recieves and displays them.

[20:37:57]

<dTal>

Reee heee heee heeeaallly....

[20:37:59]

<Foxx>

it may not see the LAN traffic

[20:38:03]

<Foxx>

only WLAN

[20:38:30]

<Foxx>

are you familiar with Ettercap by any chance?

[20:39:04]

Oh yeah. Lord knows, I have had my fun with that application.

[20:39:15]

<Foxx>

heh, no need for explination then!

[20:39:21]

;-)

[20:39:25]

<Foxx>

in-deed

[20:39:37]

It's a nice app to settle arguments over the security of SSL on a LAN.

[20:39:41]

<Foxx>

im into radio stuff, among that is wifi and bluetooth

[20:39:49]

<Foxx>

damn right it is!

[20:40:16]

<Foxx>

I have my g/f go over all her banking and secure stuff now and again to see what is really secure, and whats not

[20:40:31]

<dTal>

the second I get usb on this thing a bluetooth antenna's going in it

[20:40:43]

<Foxx>

same

[20:41:05]

I wonder how hard it would be to find a male port that fits in the back of the Z2.

[20:41:06]

<Foxx>

I have some of those super-tiny bluetooth dongles, they are CAR based, so very linux friendly

[20:41:11]

Has anyone ever looked for one?

[20:41:25]

<Foxx>

you mean the cradle connector?

[20:41:38]

Yeah!

[20:41:47]

<dTal>

what would be totally awesome if you could fit a hub board in there

[20:41:54]

<Foxx>

I have some

[20:42:04]

<Foxx>

let me grab the refrence part number, hold on

[20:42:14]

<dTal>

for internal devices plus a port

[20:42:22]

<dTal>

probably not enough room

[20:42:32]

<Foxx>

Ive been inside the Z2, there isnt much room

[20:42:52]

<Reddog^>

pfft. you can always make room

[20:42:59]

<Foxx>

no, you cant

[20:43:07]

What if it was Jello?

[20:43:14]

<dTal>

what about the screen?

[20:43:22]

<Foxx>

not much room in the screen either

[20:43:32]

<Foxx>

there is only a few MM behind it, and on the sides

[20:43:40]

<Foxx>

one side has the wifi antenna, so thats out of the question

[20:43:43]

<dTal>

they fit a magnet in it

[20:45:56]

<Foxx>

RayHaque, the cradle connector mading end is a Hirose ST40X-36S-CV(80)

[20:46:00]

<Foxx>

mating*

[20:46:18]

<Foxx>

its also found on the Dell line of Axim PDAs

[20:47:02]

Foxx: Looks like Digikey has a solder terminal cable end for $5.

[20:47:11]

<Foxx>

if the USB pads are found and you are interested in adding bluetooth, you might be able to fit this behind the LCD:

[20:47:12]

<Foxx>

http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos#5365641950012448306

[20:47:12]

Foxx: That would totally be worth buying.

[20:47:31]

http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/328595-conn-plug-36pos-solder-pcb-st40x-36s-cv-80.html

[20:47:46]

<Foxx>

Yeah, I looked it up at digi' as well

[20:47:49]

With the size of that cable connector - you could house a small bluetooth dongle inside of it.

[20:47:59]

<dTal>

Foxx: I thought the usb pads had been found?

[20:48:13]

<Foxx>

dTal, not sure, I havent head any word of it

[20:48:27]

<dTal>

or at least the pinouts

[20:48:30]

<Foxx>

as far as I know its in-progress

[20:48:43]

13 USB_C_D- USB Bus Data -

[20:48:44]

14 USB_C_D+ USB Bus Data +

[20:48:52]

<dTal>

it's the last four on on side of the chip

[20:48:56]

Thats from the Z2 pinout.

[20:49:10]

<Foxx>

the back connector does not support host mode

[20:49:22]

<Foxx>

or thats what I was told

[20:49:28]

<dTal>

no, I'm talking about host mode

[20:49:35]

<dTal>

this is on the chip

[20:49:42]

<Foxx>

what chip?

[20:49:46]

<Foxx>

there is more than one

[20:49:54]

<dTal>

tiny and hard to solder, but it's there

[20:50:15]

<dTal>

the proc, I think, can't recall

[20:50:24]

<dTal>

need to search the irc logs

[20:50:28]

<Foxx>

I know the CPU has host mode onboard, but I cant confirm anything

[20:50:46]

<dTal>

and for gods sake we need a central info source

[20:50:55]

<Foxx>

someone was working on finding out if the BGA pads rout to someplace on the PCB, but I havent heard anything about it

[20:51:00]

<Foxx>

amen to that!

[20:51:04]

<dTal>

tons of info and answers in irc logs

[20:51:18]

<Foxx>

which are a nightmare to search

[20:51:54]

<Foxx>

I would love to see USB Host mode working, but like you mention dTal, the solder work wont be easy

[20:52:06]

Check out this link "USB Gadget Support": http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=119

[20:52:08]

<Foxx>

I dont expect many people to pull it off

[20:52:18]

hey guys, whats wrong with using the linux.zipitwireless.com site? you can edit pages etc.

[20:52:48]

it is a wiki after all.

[20:53:04]

<Foxx>

RayHaque, NICE

[20:53:08]

Thats actually where I found that link.

[20:53:25]

But it was a few pages deep.

[20:53:33]

The wiki could use some reorganizing. :-(

[20:53:35]

<Foxx>

BTW RayHaque, nice work you have been doing on the Z2

[20:53:47]

Foxx: Hey, thanks! It's a labor of love.

[20:54:05]

<Foxx>

I know how it is, my buddies and I really appreciate it

[20:54:14]

<Reddog^>

so, get to reorganizing it

[20:54:18]

<Foxx>

I got a bunch of the BSoD'ers to get Z2s'

[20:54:38]

<Foxx>

Kinda started off as a small spark and exploded into a wild fire

[20:56:27]

<Foxx>

I was hoping to get my WiSpy working on the Z2 some day, but after seeing how piss poor my Nokia n800 handles it, I wont be getting my hopes up

[20:56:42]

<Foxx>

the screen is way too small, the Z2 will be even worse

[20:57:00]

<Foxx>

well for the GTK application, the ncurses one is just useless

[20:58:30]

<Foxx>

has anyone attempted to hook up a camera to the dock yet?

[20:59:47]

<dTal>

There oughta be a good wireless management app that works from the console

[21:00:25]

<dTal>

that manages all forms of encryption, and profiles

[21:00:42]

<Foxx>

only thing I know of is wicd but I dont know if it will handle CLI only

[21:01:07]

dTal: Agreed!

[21:01:28]

<dTal>

there is a curse client to wicd but I couldn't get it working

[21:01:31]

<dTal>

and it's MASSIVE

[21:01:47]

<dTal>

dependencies through the roof

[21:01:52]

<dTal>

it's silly

[21:02:42]

<dTal>

you could probably implement all the functionality through a bash script

[21:02:54]

<dTal>

a single bash script

[21:03:31]

<dTal>

all it needs to do is parse text from the appropriate places and call the appropriate programs

[21:04:07]

I will BRB - I need to set up to copy a game right quick.

[21:04:21]

yeah that would be a useful program for a lot of people, especially people new to linux, and stuck in the cli

[21:04:36]

program/script depending on how it is implemented i guess

[21:04:41]

<dTal>

I'm useless at bash, but I bet a guru could do one in very short order

[21:05:55]

just a front end to iwconfig right?

[21:06:50]

<dTal>

and wpa_supplicant

[21:06:58]

<dTal>

and iwlist

[21:07:15]

<dTal>

that's essentially it

[21:07:54]

<dTal>

I actually tried to connect to an unsecured hotspot toady

[21:08:00]

<dTal>

it didn't work

[21:08:11]

<dTal>

wouldn't even associate

[21:08:38]

ahh weird

[21:09:04]

<Foxx>

where were you when you tried?

[21:09:29]

<dTal>

I had had wpa supplicant running, then just moved away from the first network, might that have interfered?

[21:09:32]

<Foxx>

I notice with my Z2 that it will have issues connection if there is really unstable signal strength

[21:09:35]

<dTal>

in a supermarket

[21:09:39]

<Foxx>

connecting*

[21:09:48]

<dTal>

signal was fine

[21:09:56]

<Foxx>

They might have had MAC address filtering

[21:10:08]

<Foxx>

or better

[21:10:14]

<dTal>

I'm dropping about 20 percent packets right now, pita

[21:10:30]

<dTal>

Foxx: no it was a BTOpenzone

[21:10:39]

"I wonder where those packets go?"

[21:11:08]

<dTal>

I don't think they use mac filtering

[21:11:39]

<dTal>

RayHaque: they're being stolen by evil hackers!

[21:11:52]

<Foxx>

often times they use the wireless for the price checking machines, and sometimes the registers

[21:12:01]

Oh, I was making a reference to a snickers commercial.

[21:12:03]

<Foxx>

they will segment them off using VLANs

[21:12:18]

<dTal>

Foxx: no this was a designated hotspot

[21:12:34]

<Foxx>

Oh, I assumed you were connecting to their wifi

[21:12:46]

<Foxx>

could have been a VLAN with radious authentication then

[21:12:53]

<Foxx>

radius*

[21:12:58]

<Foxx>

God I cant type tonight

[21:13:44]

<Foxx>

do you typically have issues with your Z2 connecting to wifi?

[21:14:37]

<dTal>

no I can use my parent's wpa just fine

[21:14:50]

<Foxx>

hummm, id blame that network sooner than the Z2 then

[21:15:07]

<dTal>

google BTOpenzone

[21:15:10]

<Foxx>

public wifi hotspots tend to go through a radius authentication

[21:15:24]

<Foxx>

googled*

[21:16:22]

<Foxx>

yeah, I think its safe to assume they use RADIUS for the authentication

[21:16:48]

<Foxx>

T-Mobile and Verizon have similar setups, and I have worked on setting up hotspots

[21:17:23]

<dTal>

it should have let me log in, then ask for a password

[21:17:57]

<Foxx>

I have noticed that most big-wig hotspot setups dont work unless you have an out-of-the-box OS like XP, Vista, or OSX

[21:18:16]

<Foxx>

I have had issues using linux because of their crappy authentication setup

[21:18:44]

<Foxx>

Hell, I have seen more than a few that require IE to log in

[21:19:43]

evening.. stupid router... if anyone has a dlin 655.. i recomend you not upgrade the firmware right now

[21:19:43]

<dTal>

this wasn"t a wpa network, so I wasn"t trying to use wpa_supplicant

[21:19:56]

dlink 655 that is

[21:22:12]

<Foxx>

what happened?

[21:24:17]

I have a D-Link that is a few years old now. It sucks.

[21:24:32]

I have to reboot it about once a week.

[21:26:31]

<Foxx>

I had one, I killed it while doing some funky stuff with malformed packets

[21:26:40]

Mcavity, that one can run openwrt

[21:26:45]

afaik

[21:27:18]

the ones that run vxJERKS are just canucked

[21:33:09]

<dTal>

I have a friend who has a massive network covering his office building, with vpns for each company and public zones for the printers. The entire thing is connected to the internet through one 4-port Netgear home router

[21:35:51]

if it runs linux that might not be that bad

[21:37:20]

<dTal>

I think it does, but think about such things as ip tables getting overflown

[21:37:40]

<dTal>

not a lot of ram in that thing, and an awful lot of computers

[21:37:46]

flyback may look into that

[21:37:55]

<dTal>

though the vpns alleviate that to some degree

[21:39:03]

Mcavity, i'd go with dd-wrt

[21:39:19]

yeah if that's the trendnet based dlink

[21:39:26]

it's one of the best right now to run dd-wrt on

[21:39:33]

good flash and ram amounts, nice cpu soc etc

cool

hang on lemme check

oh no it's not

:?

:/

The new d-links dir-655 & Co. won't be supported, becose they use Ubicron architecture - AND this is not open sorce, thre are no tools/library fore this crap!

[21:47:11]

the root of mipsel - MIPS are used by broudcom are 30 years so the library is good. D-link make some broudcom/atheros based routers as premium routers

[21:49:10]

thought it was one of the atheos ones, sorry

[22:13:08]

bla

[22:14:01]

sorry :/

[22:14:20]

ah well eventualy dlink will put out a stable firmware

[22:15:16]

ok i have to head off to work. might be back later

[23:28:41]

<Foxx>