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<RayHaque> |
Hooray! I'm back. |
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<RayHaque> |
I got banned for a couple of days there. I'm not sure why. I had to email freenode support and beg to be let back onto their network. |
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<RayHaque> |
Lame. |
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<marex> |
RayHaque, did you get the broadcast message ? their mailserver got down |
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<dTal> |
man, I've been on my Zipit all day |
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<dTal> |
amazed my dad by controlling his laptop via ssh |
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<dTal> |
installing gnu screen has transformed it from a curiosity into a usable, tiny laptop |
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<dTal> |
I can't seem to find the parameters for launching links2 in rotated mode |
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<dTal> |
anybody remember? |
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<Reddog^> |
http://☃.net/ |
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<dTal> |
what's that character before the period? |
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<dTal> |
it shows up as an unrenderable character on my console |
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<Reddog^> |
unicode snowman |
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<dTal> |
is that a valid url? |
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<dTal> |
wow |
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<Reddog^> |
indeed, as long as you have a browser that can handle unicode |
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<dTal> |
dayum |
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<dTal> |
I'm really impressed with the Zipit sound chip |
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<dTal> |
the stock firmware underutilised it badly |
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<dTal> |
jack sensing, built-in eq, low noise, apparently a stereo line-in on the headphone jack |
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<dTal> |
this is better quality than most pc soundcards, time was this would cost you more than a Zipit |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
$20 woohoo |
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<dTal> |
interesting, the manufacturer page for the sound chip states that parts of the chip can be powered down under software control |
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<dTal> |
on the minus side, the on-chip speaker driver is mono only, so there go my plans to hack decent stereo speakers into this thing |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: not here really but if you still need the links graphic mode rotate command it's links <url> -g -dfb:layer-rotate=90 |
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<dTal> |
yeah I tried that and it didn't seem to work |
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<dTal> |
it complains "unknown option" |
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<dTal> |
when I do it with two dashes eg --dfb etc it runs, but still sideways. Scrollback shows that DirectFB recieved the argument but didn't understand it. |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: you using ray's static links? |
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<rkdavis> |
sorry was watching james may's toy stories about the lego house |
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<rkdavis> |
but looking at the chat window now |
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<dTal> |
no, the statically compiled version doesn't run at all |
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<dTal> |
I'm using the one in the debian repos |
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<marshallh> |
isn't the DAC a wolfson |
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<dTal> |
marshallh: yep |
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<marshallh> |
yup the sound quality was great |
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<dTal> |
was? |
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<marshallh> |
then i flashed it with linux -_- |
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<marshallh> |
hehe |
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<dTal> |
does it not sound good anymore? |
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<marshallh> |
nah im' just lame and don't know how to get mp3 playback going |
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<dTal> |
marshallh: you on OE or debian? |
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<marshallh> |
debian |
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<dTal> |
mplayer will play mp3s |
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<dTal> |
but if you want to save ram so will madplay, and with a lot less overhead |
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<marshallh> |
ok, then i'll need to play them off the SD card? |
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<marshallh> |
i was not able to mount any partition on teh SD under ubuntu livecd |
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<marshallh> |
i'm wondering how it's supposed to be done |
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<dTal> |
really: that shouldn't be problematic |
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<dTal> |
s/:/? |
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<dTal> |
something along the lines of |
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<dTal> |
mount /dev/sda1 /media/sd |
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<dTal> |
where you've done mkdir /media/sd first |
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<marshallh> |
ok i'll boot ubuntu again and see what happens |
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<marshallh> |
i remember it listed as sdb under dmesg |
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<dTal> |
huh, well whatever |
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<dTal> |
but ubuntu shouldn't have a problem reading the sd |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: the one in debian builds against against an old directfb that doesn't have layer rotation iirc |
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<marshallh> |
had a ext2, ext2 swap, and some weird fat partition |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: I suspected as much |
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<dTal> |
but I'm an ignoramus so I couldn't be sure |
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<rkdavis> |
that static one from ray should work though |
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<dTal> |
maybe I've got the wrong one. Link? |
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<dTal> |
marshallh: ext2 is the one you want |
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<dTal> |
don't bother with the fat, I'm not even sure why that's there |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: http://www.oddree.com/zipit/ frab z2sv202 and grab the links from that |
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<rkdavis> |
or http://www.oddree.com/zipit/links2-zipitz2.zip |
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<dTal> |
rkdavis: I tried the second one, that's the one that segfaulted and complained about missing files |
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<dTal> |
I'll try the first one |
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<dTal> |
I wonder if anyone's found a good lightweight browser for X that can zoom? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: part of the problem with the debian distro is its just a grip bootstrap as far as i know, i've had lots of problems mixing debian bianraries from it and /correct/ binaries because of endian and arm version |
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<dTal> |
do you think I might have luck with compiling my own? |
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<rkdavis> |
well for debian i wouldn't bother as it's going to be a PITA if you were using z2shell or oe then i'd say yes |
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<marshallh> |
yeah my normal sd card isn't being read properly with my usb card reader either (fat32) |
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<marshallh> |
device not ready in dmesg |
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<rkdavis> |
i don't recommend using the debian at all after playing with it for a few months as seems to be the emdebian grip and that really should only be used to bootstrap (IMHO) rather than actually used especially as it really isn't built for our arm version but more generic and there are problems with it pulling the wrong endian version for alot of s/w |
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<dTal> |
I haven't had any issues with it |
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<dTal> |
though the repos sometimes don't agree |
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<dTal> |
what's wrong with putting pure debian on it? |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: i've had about 50 apps so far that are incorrecvt enidianness |
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<rkdavis> |
XTRS for a start |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: if you build it yourself nothing but using aliosa27's debian then that version is only half done IMHO -- it should have then have been used to then rebuild grip for our particular arm version\ |
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<rkdavis> |
not as a ready to use distro |
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<rkdavis> |
but that's just me -- if you have had no problems then thank your lucky starts and be happy :) |
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<rkdavis> |
s/starts/stars |
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<dTal> |
what is grip? |
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<rkdavis> |
grip is one of two embedded debian distros -- it's what i beleive aliosa27 used to make his debian image |
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<rkdavis> |
http://lwn.net/Articles/319403/ |
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<dTal> |
I see |
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<dTal> |
but I don't understand what the advantage of emdebian ever was |
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<rkdavis> |
it's basically a smaller distro and removes alot of stuff that you dont't really need i,e, man pages and docs |
| [22:42:46] |
<rkdavis> |
but allows you to use the existign debian tools |
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<dTal> |
well, some of us might not need manpages |
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<dTal> |
but I've been hurting badly for them :-p |
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<rkdavis> |
yup but if you want them you google :) |
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<dTal> |
doesn't help for iwconfig :) |
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<rkdavis> |
but personally i feel that grip is only half the job especially on the zipit as the arm chip in it seems to be a teeny bit weird |
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<rkdavis> |
it'll run and work quite well with armv5 stuff but it is really armv4 and sometimes the armv5 stuff fails in weird ways and then the REAL armv4 stuff stops working |
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<rkdavis> |
never been able to discover wise but it has caused me no end of headaches |
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<dTal> |
well it took me less than a day of playing with both to decide I wanted debian- OE was just too alien |
| [22:47:47] |
<dTal> |
so I think it's worth some effort to get Debian working properly |
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<rkdavis> |
personally i like what ray as done with the stock and oe is very eay 100 times easier than debian |
| [22:51:41] |
<dTal> |
we can do better though |
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<dTal> |
things like boot times frinstance |
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<rkdavis> |
once you have it built one time and populated your tmp dir it's just a matter of bitbaking a single recipe for most stuff and a quick cut and paste job for nearly everything else |
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<rkdavis> |
debian is slower than oe |
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<rkdavis> |
at booting |
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<dTal> |
they were both slow as ass |
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<rkdavis> |
unless you have sweetlilmre's uspash |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: that's because of how the kernel was built |
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<rkdavis> |
dtal: build the kernel correctly and with only the stuff you need in it and it's only a fraction slower than stock |
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<rkdavis> |
the boot times are because of all the extrra stuff that's in there and that it has a /standard/ init script rather than one that is only exactly what is needed |
| [22:55:29] |
<marshallh> |
anyone want to buy my zipit? new condition flashed with debian |
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<dTal> |
debian has the option, on install, to generate a targeted init |
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<marshallh> |
i can't see myself using it |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: yup but that means you have to rebuild it yourself i.e. use grip as a bootstraqp rather than as a final prosuct |
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<rkdavis> |
marshallh: what were you originally planning to use ti for? |
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<dTal> |
well I'm gonna go to sleep |
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<dTal> |
thanks for all the info |
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<rkdavis> |
dTal: np |
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<marshallh> |
rkdavis: i got it as a cheap mp3 player (for which it worked well) and decided to try linux out of curiosity, there was a how-to on hunterdavis' blog |
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<marshallh> |
it's cool and all but i have no use for it in its current linux form |
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<rkdavis> |
marshallh: if you haven't u-booted it then you could revert back to the stock app and then use the z2shell that ray_haque has improved |
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<rkdavis> |
it gives the fastest boot time and he has cmus on it so streaming music and mp3s plus browsing and most stuff you could need in the tightest form |
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<marshallh> |
yeah, i read about that on his blog |
| [23:06:45] |
<marshallh> |
we talked the otehr day trying to get the original firmware flashed |
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<marshallh> |
kernel |
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<marshallh> |
i'll have to find some other computer/sd card reader that works with ubuntu so i can put the origianl kernel on the SD card and flash it on the zipit |
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<marshallh> |
i'm not sure what u-boot is, but I didn't touch it |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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