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[12:57:33] <RayHaque_> Not a lot of chatter in here today.
[12:57:34] <RayHaque_> So I am just going to drop a "hello" here.
[12:57:34] <RayHaque_> For all you lurkers out there.
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[12:58:06] <drksoft> hi
[12:58:35] <RayHaque_> drksoft: howdy.
[12:58:49] <drksoft> hey RayHaque
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[13:00:08] <drksoft> can anyone tell my wich one of the distros is better/the best for the zipit?
[13:00:43] <RayHaque_> Well, I would of course say that my own distro is the best, IZ2S.
[13:00:54] <RayHaque_> But it's pretty limited.
[13:01:22] <RayHaque_> I guess it all depends on what you are trying to do with your zipit, and how comfortable you are with overwriting the built-in operating system.
[13:01:36] <drksoft> im using debian atm
[13:01:53] <RayHaque_> Oh, okay. So you have all ready installed over-top of the stock OS anyway. :-)
[13:02:03] <drksoft> yep
[13:04:31] <drksoft> but i wanna know wich one is the best
[13:06:43] <drksoft> i cant find a deb of bitchx for armel :(
[13:07:40] <RayHaque_> You should compile one. ;-)
[13:09:40] <drksoft> if i can the source :S
[13:16:57] <rkdavis1> yo RayHaque
[13:17:55] <RayHaque_> rkdavis1: Suuuup!
[13:18:25] <rkdavis1> knackered and fgeeling lazy
[13:18:40] <rkdavis1> reading a book rather than the printout i should be
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[14:16:37] <shifuimam> right then. is anyone around?
[14:16:45] <Mcavity> nope!
[14:16:47] <shifuimam> is there a keymap for pipe?
[14:16:54] <shifuimam> while in bash, that is
[14:17:14] <Mcavity> yes i think so
[14:17:30] <Mcavity> now you want me to tell you waht it is?
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[14:17:36] <Mcavity> lol
[14:17:42] <shifuimam> well, it'd be nice
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[14:17:49] <shifuimam> i'm trying to get dosbox to work in emdebian
[14:17:49] <Mcavity> ill have to boot up the zipit
[14:17:49] <shifuimam> it's slow going
[14:18:09] <shifuimam> i haven't bootd mine up for months
[14:18:15] <shifuimam> it's been collecting dust on my nightstand
[14:18:23] <shifuimam> all i want is to get dosbox running so i can play my old games on it
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[14:19:59] <Mcavity> its booting.. slowly
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[14:21:54] <Mcavity> alt smiley
[14:21:55] <shifuimam> ah lovely
[14:21:55] <shifuimam> thx
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[14:26:34] <Mcavity> =)
[14:26:37] <Mcavity> ok sleep time
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[16:11:59] <shifuimam> where might dosbox have installed itself?
[16:13:11] <shifuimam> also is there a keymap for ctrl+c?
[16:14:47] <Mcavity> yes
[16:14:50] <Mcavity> ctrl c
[16:14:53] <Mcavity> =)
[16:15:01] <Mcavity> the ... is ctrl
[16:15:02] <shifuimam> but there is no trl
[16:15:03] <shifuimam> oh
[16:15:07] <shifuimam> forgot
[16:15:09] <shifuimam> it's been awhile
[16:15:15] <shifuimam> apparently wireless isn't working anymore either :(
[16:15:18] <Mcavity> as for where dosbox is.. i dunno
[16:15:29] <shifuimam> i ran dropbear and then dhclient but it's not getting an IP
[16:17:51] <shifuimam> halp
[16:18:56] <Mcavity> its been a while i wrote my owne little script called wifiup
[16:19:02] <Mcavity> but id have to look for it
[16:19:36] <shifuimam> i'mp retty sure wpa_supplicant is auto starting
[16:19:51] <Mcavity> well then you should be online
[16:19:58] <shifuimam> i'm not
[16:19:59] <shifuimam> no IP
[16:20:03] <Mcavity> check and see if the router sees you
[16:20:06] <shifuimam> and when i run dhclient it says it can't find any dhcp offer
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[16:20:52] <Mcavity> try
[16:20:53] <Mcavity> iwconfig eth0 essid "MY NETWORK SSID"
[16:21:07] <shifuimam> nope it doesn't see it
[16:21:08] <Mcavity> followed by "dhclient"
[16:21:10] <shifuimam> and that won't work
[16:21:15] <shifuimam> AFAIK iwconfig doesn't do WPA
[16:21:31] <Mcavity> oh bla
[16:21:56] <shifuimam> yeah :(
[16:22:06] <Mcavity> well i need sleep badly maybe one of the smart guys will pop in to help =)
[16:22:25] <shifuimam> lol ok
[16:22:25] <shifuimam> night
[16:22:33] <Mcavity> night!
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[16:29:20] <RayHaque_> Wait, I use WPA on mine.
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[16:29:32] <RayHaque_> It works okay. But, YMMV. ;-)
[16:29:40] <shifuimam> this is crap
[16:31:28] <shifuimam> irc is full of douchebaggery today
[16:32:44] <RayHaque_> You must be referring to him.
[16:32:49] * RayHaque_ points at GPSFan.
[16:32:53] <shifuimam> lol
[16:32:54] * RayHaque_ giggles.
[16:33:00] <shifuimam> people are just being douchebags
[16:33:14] <shifuimam> is there something i can run to see if wpa_supplicant even sees my WLAN?
[16:33:23] <RayHaque_> irc-douches are typically people that don't get respected elsewhere.
[16:33:38] <shifuimam> i joined #emdebian and they're like "we're in a meeting"
[16:33:42] <RayHaque_> shifuimam: Try "iwlist eth0 scan"
[16:33:55] <shifuimam> apparently now we use channels publicly advertised as support arenas for our private members-only club talk
[16:34:04] <shifuimam> it's just obnoxious and completely unhelpful
[16:34:16] <RayHaque_> Hah! We're in a meeting. Thats funny.
[16:35:09] <shifuimam> yes, and idiotic to boot
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[16:37:08] <shifuimam> hmm
[16:37:14] <shifuimam> your iwlist command didn't work
[16:37:25] <shifuimam> apparently because i'm using wpa_supplicant instead of iwsomethingorother
[16:38:12] <RayHaque_> Oh wait, you won't have that command.
[16:38:20] <RayHaque_> Are you using the Z2 Shell or something else?
[16:38:27] <shifuimam> i'm using openzipit
[16:38:34] <shifuimam> it's a debian-based release i found online
[16:38:51] <shifuimam> via hunterdavis.com
[16:38:52] <RayHaque_> Hrm. You would probably have to compile wireless-tools and port it over. :-)
[16:38:56] <shifuimam> well
[16:39:00] * RayHaque_ smirks.
[16:39:02] <shifuimam> i got everything working fine in the past
[16:39:09] <shifuimam> it's just that i haven't booted my z2 up for lkike six weeks
[16:39:14] <shifuimam> i go to boot it up today and now it won't connect
[16:39:19] <RayHaque_> Or if you have a spare card, you would get my IZ2S image and test with it.
[16:39:26] <RayHaque_> I built all of the wireless tools for it.
[16:39:35] <shifuimam> i just don't get why it would suddenly stop working
[16:39:41] <shifuimam> what's the command to restart wpa_supplicant?
[16:40:51] <RayHaque_> I think you would have to do a 'ps' to find the daemon and kill it.
[16:41:12] <shifuimam> bleah
[16:43:11] <shifuimam> ok
[16:43:12] <shifuimam> that worked
[16:43:22] <shifuimam> killed it and restarted it and it worked...maybe that's wat i had to do before
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[16:48:43] <shifuimam> wonder if irssi works
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[16:58:24] <jshriver> ping
[16:59:46] <sirloin> jshriver: I got mine on ebay..
[17:00:03] <shifuimam> how the hell do you switch channels in irssi?
[17:00:04] <sirloin> may pay a bit more, but I couldn't get it in Canada
[17:00:17] <shifuimam> jshriver: amazon.com
[17:00:22] <shifuimam> that's where i got mimne
[17:00:28] <sirloin> shifuimam: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi
[17:00:37] <shifuimam> wait i have to READ?!
[17:00:41] <shifuimam> what is this crap?
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[17:00:47] <sirloin> haha
[17:00:54] <sirloin> use ALT + some key that I forget
[17:01:12] <sirloin> :p
[17:01:26] <shifuimam> f that
[17:01:29] <shifuimam> i like my guis, dammit
[17:01:31] <shifuimam> carrier for life
[17:01:34] <shifuimam> sooooo dosbox!
[17:02:02] <sirloin> shifuimam: no need to read: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306902
[17:02:06] <sirloin> text to speech :P
[17:02:21] <sirloin> the audio-book of life
[17:02:30] <shifuimam> on a zipit
[17:02:37] <shifuimam> don't think so
[17:02:42] <sirloin> ur on the zipit now?
[17:03:03] <sirloin> I think its alt+1 or alt+2 etc for switching to different windows..
[17:03:18] <shifuimam> ahh
[17:03:32] <sirloin> saved you reading lol
[17:03:37] <shifuimam> haha thanks :P
[17:03:52] <shifuimam> i think the screen is too small for irssi
[17:03:54] <sirloin> use links for browsing lol, im sure that site would be fun to read with links
[17:04:16] <shifuimam> i'm still trying to figure out the purpose of my zipit
[17:04:24] <shifuimam> it was going to be dosbox, except that i can't seem to get it to RUN
[17:04:28] <sirloin> I think the purpose is to waste your time..
[17:04:48] <sirloin> I've learned a lot about compiling crap and bootloaders etc using mine
[17:05:09] <sirloin> in terms of using for a specific application… I don't have that problem solved yet
[17:05:14] <shifuimam> why can't i just put windows on it D:
[17:05:20] <shifuimam> yeah...i think dosbox is where it's at
[17:05:28] <shifuimam> maybe IM if i can find a non-sucky CLI IM client
[17:05:37] <shifuimam> or a graphical one that works on the tiny tiny screen
[17:06:40] <sirloin> yeah, irssi seemed to be the best when I tried it, but it is a small screen..
[17:07:00] <sirloin> do you have the debian image on yours?
[17:07:19] <shifuimam> yes
[17:07:21] <shifuimam> openzipit
[17:07:39] <sirloin> yeah, so dillo worked ok for browsing with X..
[17:07:44] <sirloin> its just an apt-get away
[17:08:01] <shifuimam> i used it
[17:08:07] <shifuimam> i'd rather use my iphone for browsing
[17:08:15] <sirloin> did aliosa27 ever work on getting the clock up to 624mhz?
[17:08:20] <shifuimam> dunno
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[17:08:32] <sirloin> thats what I am going to try to do tonight
[17:08:44] <shifuimam> uh
[17:08:45] <sirloin> exams < ZipIt
[17:08:49] <shifuimam> i got an error trying to install dosbox
[17:08:51] <shifuimam> corrupt tarball
[17:09:00] <sirloin> ohh, using apt-get ?
[17:09:20] <shifuimam> yes
[17:09:22] <sirloin> maybe try a different mirror...
[17:09:29] <shifuimam> seems lkike emdebian's package listing isn't working
[17:09:41] <sirloin> ohh, you did an apt-get update?
[17:10:01] <shifuimam> i tried
[17:10:04] <sirloin> what I did when I first installed debian was: apt-get update; then apt-get upgrade
[17:10:19] <sirloin> took a while, but was able to use scummvm etc.
[17:10:26] <shifuimam> right
[17:10:35] <shifuimam> i've been able to update aptitude before
[17:10:52] <shifuimam> it's erroring on the emdebian release file
[17:11:17] <sirloin> oh hmm i will be putting debian back on mine tonight and I will give it a shot
[17:12:21] <sirloin> can always download the source lol and compile
[17:13:41] <shifuimam> i was going to try that whole cross compiling thing
[17:13:50] <shifuimam> installing dosbox via aptitude didn't work before
[17:13:56] <shifuimam> was going to try and see if i could force it to work
[17:14:51] <sirloin> well if you do apt-get install build-essential (not sure if it works on emdebian)
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[17:15:06] <sirloin> then you could wget the source file and build it on the zipit
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[17:15:58] <shifuimam> ah thank god for ssh
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[17:27:31] <shifuimam> okay i got aptitude all working right
[17:27:38] <shifuimam> dosbox doesn't run, of course
[17:27:56] <shifuimam> is tehre a way to hard reboot without physically pullig out the battery?
[17:35:45] <sirloin> shtudown -r now ?
[17:35:50] <sirloin> thats like rebooting
[17:36:03] <sirloin> or shutdown -h now to shutdown/turn off
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[17:51:42] <RayHaque> shifuimam: To power off the Z2 "hard", just use a paperclip in the small hole on the left side.
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[18:21:10] <marshallh> is there any way to flash the original kernel back onto the z2 after I've flashed it with the openzipit kernel?
[18:21:34] <marshallh> the autoflash hack only works with the original firmware
[18:21:50] <marshallh> i have a backup kernel.bin saved from when I originally flash linux onto it
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[18:34:19] <RayHaque> marshallh: This has been discussed a few times, but I dont know that anyone has actually tried to do it.
[18:34:28] <marshallh> hmmm
[18:34:34] <RayHaque> We ought to create a "flasher-back" utility or something.
[18:34:59] <marshallh> can I throw on z2script.sh from the autoflasher and start it once i have linux running?
[18:35:27] <RayHaque> Nope. Because your linux distro doesn't look for the z2script.sh file.
[18:35:38] <RayHaque> But - it should be possible to put the kernel back anyway.
[18:35:46] <RayHaque> You will just have to use your distro to do it.
[18:36:10] <RayHaque> Let me look at autoflasher again right quick ... maybe I can give you some advice.
[18:37:48] <marshallh> awsome
[18:37:53] <marshallh> +e
[18:38:50] <RayHaque> Hrm. So are you looking at the sd card now that contains your kernel backup?
[18:39:21] <marshallh> the sd card is noww flashed with debianz2diskamge.rar
[18:39:24] <marshallh> i have the original kernel.bin and wireless roms
[18:39:29] <marshallh> on my PC (Windows)
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[18:39:55] <RayHaque> Ah, okay. So you will want to get those files onto the SD card with debian on it.
[18:40:27] <RayHaque> Then I think you would just run something like this ...
[18:40:35] <RayHaque> rm /dev/mtdblock1
[18:40:35] <RayHaque> mknod /dev/mtdblock1 b 31 1
[18:41:08] <RayHaque> dd if=/path/to/orig.kernel.bin of=/dev/mtdblock1
[18:41:46] <RayHaque> That would get the kernel back. As for the firmware ... hrm.
[18:42:30] <marshallh> crap
[18:42:41] <marshallh> wireless is not a big deal yet
[18:42:46] <RayHaque> You would need to mount "ffs".
[18:43:45] <RayHaque> Actually - I think the kernel will do that.
[18:43:53] <RayHaque> So maybe this is a two step process.
[18:44:17] <RayHaque> After the kernel is back, you can boot into Z2 Shell or my IZ2S and put the wireless drivers back into /lib.
[18:44:59] <marshallh> theoretically if I get the original kernel, I could put the commands to write the wireless images in z2script.sh and hope I didn't mistype anything
[18:45:16] <RayHaque> That is true. :-)
[18:45:28] <marshallh> now the question is how to do this under windows
[18:45:37] <RayHaque> Just use the autoflasher image as your base. Since it contains all the modules you need to get it bootstrapped.
[18:46:41] <marshallh> now I have to see if I can somehow find a way to read the SD card under windows (im guesing it's ext2 or ext3)
[18:46:42] <marshallh> i'm a linux noob
[18:47:11] <RayHaque> Are you just trying to get your kernel onto the SD card?
[18:47:44] <marshallh> yes
[18:48:17] <RayHaque> You can just "file drop" it. FTP it somewhere, and retrieve it from within Linux. Or ... you could email it to yourself? Or something of that sort.
[18:51:46] <sirloin> there is an ext2 driver for windows..
[18:51:52] <sirloin> doesn't always work tho
[18:54:45] <RayHaque> sirloin: Last time I used one of those, it corrupted my fs.
[18:54:56] <RayHaque> I was like, "GRRR!" and I threw things around.
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[18:56:27] <sirloin> RayHaque: yeah, you can enable read only mode though iirc
[18:56:48] <sirloin> but I had similar problems..
[19:04:39] * flyback found a absolutely frightening bug in malware bytes when scanning another windows hd it will end up restoreing the virus to the host hd
[19:05:17] <RayHaque> Yikes. Thats a bug all right.
[19:10:21] * flyback notes it might not be maleware bytes directely but it's happen 2x after running it then rebooting
[19:24:10] <marex_> you can mount ntfs from linux
[19:24:18] <marex_> it works better than from windows actually ...
[19:24:49] <marex_> ntfs support in windows is fucked up (it damaged my friend's data multiple times), but we managed to recover them from linux (interesting)
[19:33:19] <flyback> yeah except clamav was a fail
[19:33:19] <flyback> on this
[19:33:33] <flyback> marex do you remember m68k palms?
[19:39:24] <shifuimam> sup ya'll
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[21:21:28] <RayHaque> GPSFan: Are you around by chance?
[21:22:01] <GPSFan> RayHaque: for a bit, what'sup?
[21:22:08] <RayHaque> Hooray.
[21:22:32] <RayHaque> Before I walk marshallh here through burning up his Z2, could you help me confirm a few things? :-)
[21:22:57] <GPSFan> shoot.
[21:22:58] <RayHaque> /dev/mtd1 contains "the kernel", correct?
[21:24:01] <GPSFan> yep
[21:24:27] <RayHaque> And then /dev/mtd2 contains the Zipit OS and various parts (on a stock Z2), correct?
[21:25:29] <GPSFan> well, the kernel contains an initramfs which has important stuff too, the z2 will not work without those parts.
[21:26:31] <RayHaque> Well, if I were to take a dd backup of these two dev's, I would in effect be backing up the stock OS, right?
[21:26:56] <RayHaque> in other words - dd if=/dev/mtd1 of=/mnt/sd0/z2-part1.img
[21:27:15] <RayHaque> and then dd if=/dev/mtd2 of=/mnt/sd0/z2-part2.img
[21:27:54] <GPSFan> yeah, that should back up the 2 non-bootloader partitions.
[21:27:55] <RayHaque> Using these two elements, could I not return to the stock OS, from a debian or an openembedded OS?
[21:30:53] <GPSFan> the proper devices are mtdblock0,1,2 and the /dev entries for 1&2 are incorrect in the z2 file system. they are:
[21:30:56] <GPSFan> brwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 31, 0 Jan 1 00:00 mtdblock0
[21:30:56] <GPSFan> crwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 31, 1 Jan 1 00:00 mtdblock1
[21:30:56] <GPSFan> crwxr-xr-x 1 0 0 31, 2 Jan 1 00:00 mtdblock2
[21:31:21] <GPSFan> and should be bcrwxr-xr-x for both 1 & 2
[21:32:00] <GPSFan> you will have to change them to the proper entries for what you want to do to work.
[21:32:47] <RayHaque> Well instead of using the block devices, couldn't you just write to the raw flash using /dev/mtdX?
[21:33:24] <GPSFan> IIRC that does not work for whatever reason. try it both ways and see if the files are the same.
[21:34:32] <RayHaque> Hrm.
[21:35:39] <RayHaque> I am trying to find marshallh here the easiest return path to the stockos after having installed debian. :-)
[21:35:56] <marshallh> yup
[21:36:03] <RayHaque> He has his kernel.bin file - and the two files that make up the wireless drivers.
[21:36:05] <GPSFan> using the 2.6.21 kernel?
[21:36:18] <RayHaque> But - installation is not "the reverse of removal" as you may have guessed.
[21:36:31] * RayHaque shrugs.
[21:36:47] <RayHaque> marshallh: Do a "uname -r" on your Z2.
[21:37:16] <GPSFan> if it's not the original kernel & filesystem, then the /dev/mtdblockX devices may be correct.
[21:37:37] <marshallh> 2.6.29
[21:37:59] <GPSFan> do a ls -la /dev/mtdb*
[21:39:10] <marshallh> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 31, 0 Jan 1 00:00 /dev/mtdblock0
[21:39:32] <marshallh> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 31, 1 Jan 1 00:00 /dev/mtdblock1
[21:39:45] <marshallh> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 31, 2 Jan 1 00:00 /dev/mtdblock2
[21:40:57] <RayHaque> GPSFan: So is his stock OS (/mnt/mtd2) left unharmed when installing debian?
[21:40:59] <GPSFan> then they are the correct devices, you can do a dd if=orig.kern.file of=/dev/mtdblock1 and it should restore the original kernel.
[21:41:15] <marshallh> how big should the original kernel be?
[21:41:26] <marshallh> my dump here is 2.18mb
[21:41:58] <GPSFan> RayHaque: I don't know .
[21:42:02] <GPSFan> 2293760
[21:42:15] <marshallh> yup that's it
[21:43:05] <GPSFan> if you didn't do anything to the jffs2 filesystem you should just be able to restore the kernel/initramfs
[21:43:09] <RayHaque> marshallh: So the procedure is to cross your fingers, kneel to whatever God you pray to, and then run that command. ;-)
[21:43:31] <GPSFan> sacrifice a few virgin chickens too.
[21:43:46] <RayHaque> Yeah, but only ugly virgin chickens.
[21:43:53] <marshallh> hehe
[21:43:58] <RayHaque> And most of them are ugly, hence the virginity.
[21:44:01] <GPSFan> virgin chickens are all ugly
[21:44:19] <RayHaque> :-)
[21:44:39] <marshallh> i'll need a little guidance seeing as i'm a linux noob (i.e. 2 hours expierence)
[21:44:48] <GPSFan> bbl...
[21:44:58] <RayHaque> GPSFan: Thanks for the advice sir.
[21:45:03] <marshallh> i can use winimage to inject my old kernel into the debian image release, then dump it to SD
[21:45:09] <marshallh> yes thank you
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[21:55:44] <johnson> c
[21:59:35] <marshallh> hmmm, how to get to a fat32 partition on the sd card
[22:01:05] <marshallh> mmcblk0p2?
[22:16:18] <marshallh> fdisk shows the fat32 partition as mmcblk0p3
[22:16:25] <marshallh> however it doesn't show up in /dev/
[22:42:58] <t7g_> It's so sad, I never played with my zipit before ordering my n900. I'm just so damn lazy.