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<Mcavity> |
morning |
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<absamide> |
Morning all. |
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<Mcavity> |
hi h |
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<Conrad-T-Pino> |
yes, it's morning |
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<muriani> |
For the next 33 minutes, anyway. |
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<standby> |
afternoon here... doller pizza time! |
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<Mcavity> |
sleep time for me |
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<charlie> |
On a new Z2, powered up, configured the network manually, it logged in and started doing an update...stuff downloaded it said it was going to reboot |
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<charlie> |
it came back up and said 'Zipit System Update', downloadin apps and then recovery starting and then turns itself off |
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<charlie> |
I've tried the reset button but it keeps coming up looking for the update |
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<charlie> |
going through the cycle and turns itself off again. |
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<muriani> |
dunno.. we generally don't deal with the stock zipit software |
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<muriani> |
most of us have reflashed the bootloader and are using a different Linux distro |
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<muriani> |
either Angstrom or Debian |
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<charlie> |
that's what I was headed for, I like debian :) |
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<charlie> |
I wonder if I can still flash it? |
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<ahigerd> |
The autoflasher presents itself as a system update ;) |
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<ahigerd> |
Sort of |
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<ahigerd> |
So it'll probably work |
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<charlie> |
I'll have to give it a try, thanks |
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<kevman> |
I can't get fceultra to run right on my z2 |
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<kevman> |
It used to be just sideways and scrambled... But suddenly it just tells me "xscale out of range" |
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<ahigerd> |
Sideways is because the screen is installed in the case sideways ;) |
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<ahigerd> |
It's 240x320 |
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<kevman> |
I'm trying "/usr/games/fceu -opengl 0 -sound 0 -xscale 1 -yscale 1 -input1 gamepad ./NES/Bubble\ Bobble\ \(U\).nes |
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<kevman> |
" |
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<kevman> |
and it says xscale out of bounds |
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<ahigerd> |
No surprise, at 240px wide, the NES's screen won't fit at scale 1 |
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<ahigerd> |
Try 0.5 |
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<kevman> |
No, doesn't help |
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<kevman> |
It actually ran before with the exact same command |
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<kevman> |
But it was garbled |
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<muriani> |
eh? I thought NES resolutions were much lower than 320x240 |
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<ahigerd> |
256x256 IIRC |
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<muriani> |
ah |
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<muriani> |
bugger. |
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<muriani> |
wait.. then how does it present properly on my dingoo without scaling? |
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<muriani> |
as does SNES |
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<kevman> |
SNES can actually hit 512 pixels in the X |
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<ahigerd> |
Oh, wait, NES is 256x240 |
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<muriani> |
it can, but doesn't normally |
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<kevman> |
Depends on the game |
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<muriani> |
right |
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<muriani> |
I don't know of any off hand that use it |
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<kevman> |
Hunter Davis sure got the NES emulator working :( |
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<kevman> |
But I'm not sure that's with Deiab |
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<kevman> |
Debian |
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<muriani> |
it was with the OE image, It hink |
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<kevman> |
I'm going to wipe FCEU's config files |
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<kevman> |
Argh! What changed? How did it work before!? |
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<netbook> |
any news? |
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<standby> |
anyone else have issues with the ovf files from the zipit dev kit image? |
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<standby> |
of course now i got it...disregard... |
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<kevman> |
Hm, you guys were right on the bass/treble controls being hardware... I looked at the sound DAC datasheet |
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<netbook> |
whats happening |
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<Conrad-T-Pino> |
looks quiet on the #Zipit front |
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<trimegistus_> |
hello |
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<trimegistus_> |
are Zipit Z2 open hardware? |
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<trimegistus_> |
can I modify my Zipit Z2 ? |
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<Mcavity> |
hello |
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<trimegistus_> |
:) |
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<trimegistus_> |
I wish do some hacks over Zipit Z2 |
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<Mcavity> |
well i dont know about "open hardware" theres still a bunch of stuff beeing worked out |
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<Mcavity> |
at somepoint there will be some docs on various pinouts for the back port and one ore two other things |
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<Mcavity> |
brb |
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<trimegistus_> |
but, can I hack Zipit Z2? |
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<trimegistus_> |
http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/ <-- this site talks about Zipit be open hardware, but I need know if it's true |
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<ahigerd> |
You're always free to modify hardware you own |
| [21:43:04] |
<ahigerd> |
The constraints come in sharing what you learn from it |
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<trimegistus_> |
hummm |
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<ahigerd> |
(Of course the manufacturer is free to void the warranty and refuse you support if you do so) |
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<trimegistus_> |
humm |
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<trimegistus_> |
I need a little device |
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<trimegistus_> |
wish Wireless or 3G connection |
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<trimegistus_> |
and a web browser like Firefox |
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<trimegistus_> |
to build my project |
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<ahigerd> |
The Z2's probably not what you want, then. |
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<ahigerd> |
It doesn't have enough memory to realistically run a Firefox-style web browser, nor a large enough screen. |
| [21:45:11] |
<ahigerd> |
Try something more like the Nokia N810 |
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<ahigerd> |
Still, you're free to hack the Z2 up one side and down the other if you want to |
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<trimegistus_> |
but I need a Device hackable and redistributable |
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<trimegistus_> |
i need seel my project |
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<ahigerd> |
Redistributable is a problem. |
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<ahigerd> |
Rebranding is illegal. |
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<trimegistus_> |
humm |
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<standby> |
contact zipit for a license... |
| [21:47:20] |
<trimegistus_> |
you know other soluction for my problem? |
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<ahigerd> |
You could probably ship Z2s with custom software legally |
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<ahigerd> |
But it would still have to bear the Zipit logo etc. |
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<trimegistus_> |
Oh |
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<rkdavis1> |
ahigerd: to ship with different s/w he needs a repurposing license |
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<standby> |
ahigerd: without a repurposing license you can't ship it with modified software... |
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<standby> |
as rk said :) |
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<standby> |
too slow... |
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<rkdavis1> |
ahigerd: they are quite fair in terms but he'd need one |
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<trimegistus_> |
in thesis i need a little device with low cost to make an EAD system |
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<trimegistus_> |
:( |
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<rkdavis1> |
EAD? |
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<trimegistus_> |
Ensino A Distancia |
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<trimegistus_> |
*Distância |
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<trimegistus_> |
OpenMoko is too much to my project |
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<trimegistus_> |
I can't use OpenMoko |
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<standby> |
hardware wise, i don't think the zipit will match what something like the openmoko project is attempting to achieve |
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<trimegistus_> |
but OpenMoko and Zipit are protable devices |
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<ahigerd> |
How much money are you looking to spend? I can point you to a number of embedded projects -- Gumstix and BeagleBoard for instance |
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<trimegistus_> |
and for me it is too important |
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<trimegistus_> |
Oh! a soluction! |
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<trimegistus_> |
lol |
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<ahigerd> |
You still haven't told us what EAD means; I don't speak... what is that, Portuguese? |
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<standby> |
something at a distance |
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<standby> |
not sure what ensino is... |
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<rkdavis1> |
distence education maybe |
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<ahigerd> |
Well, that much is obvious :P |
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<standby> |
ahh so like a learning tool for use in schools, or outside of schools like an additional tool? |
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<trimegistus_> |
Distance Education in English |
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<trimegistus_> |
yes |
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<ahigerd> |
So you really just want a dirt-cheap netbook |
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<trimegistus_> |
i wish use a device like Zipit to run ONLY a Web system |
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<standby> |
ok, it has been used for educational purposes before...thanks to rk for that info :) |
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<rkdavis1> |
trimegistus_: there is a company that licensed the zipit to do that |
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<standby> |
http://in.sys-con.com/node/198163 |
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<ahigerd> |
trimegistus_: The Nokia N770/N800/N810 are specifically designed to be portable web browsers |
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<standby> |
ok brb movie time |
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<rkdavis1> |
not exactly sure what they did i have a funny feeling it wa like the old hypercards system |
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<ahigerd> |
You're looking for a MID system |
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<ahigerd> |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Internet_device |
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<trimegistus_> |
but Nokia is too expensive |
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<rkdavis1> |
yup the zipit is basically disposable even at full retail |
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<ahigerd> |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handhelds_with_WiFi_connectivity |
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<trimegistus_> |
in Brazil we don't have much money |
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<ahigerd> |
Well, what you're asking for isn't cheap. ^^() Having a web browser that supports modern web features on an embedded device is going to cost you. |
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<rkdavis1> |
for a start to really actually be a usable webbrowser you need better than qvga |
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<trimegistus_> |
humm |
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<ahigerd> |
800x480 is the "standard" size considered acceptable for this |
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<ahigerd> |
You could probably get away with 640 wide |
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<trimegistus_> |
I wish run a web system exclusively to this device |
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<ahigerd> |
We understand that |
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<ahigerd> |
That's the easy part |
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<trimegistus_> |
me ferrei |
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<ahigerd> |
The hard part is getting a device that can actually provide the necessary support. |
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<trimegistus_> |
on demand device is expensive? |
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<ahigerd> |
The Z2 doesn't have a mouse or a touchscreen, its display is far too small for a web browser, and it doesn't have enough RAM to do more than basic browsing -- no Flash, no Java |
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<ahigerd> |
If you're willing to sink some money into it up front, you can get suitable hardware really cheap but you'll have to buy like 500 of them |
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<trimegistus_> |
humm |
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<trimegistus_> |
thanks, you is a big person |
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<ahigerd> |
I've done this before. :P |
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<trimegistus_> |
and all people who helped me |
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<ahigerd> |
A couple times, actually; the N800 turned out to be the most efficient answer to my needs, but since it was discontinued I'm probably going to have to design something custom. |
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* |
ahigerd should really break out some schematics and start designing that thing... |
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<trimegistus_> |
oh! |
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<ahigerd> |
? |
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<trimegistus_> |
I will try OpenMoko or custom hardware |
| [22:08:39] |
<trimegistus_> |
my money goes to space |
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<trimegistus_> |
but is by a good cause |
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<Mcavity> |
i need to work on my zipit.. i been lazy |
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<Mcavity> |
maybe tonight |
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<trimegistus_> |
what you are doing for your Zipit? |
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<trimegistus_> |
what are you doing for your Zippit? |
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<trimegistus_> |
my english is xing ling |
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<Mcavity> |
need to fix a few things.. |
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<Mcavity> |
set up the wireless again |
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<Mcavity> |
ect |
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<trimegistus_> |
you are the creator of Zipit? |
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<ahigerd> |
*laugh* We're all Zipit hackers here |
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<trimegistus_> |
*are you a creator of Zipit? |
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<ahigerd> |
None of us work for Zipit Wireless. |
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<Mcavity> |
just people playing with a fun little toy |
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<Tomoe> |
How are you gentlemen!! |
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<trimegistus_> |
*laugh* ok ok (I'm a monkey, brazilian primata) |
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<ahigerd> |
What you say? |
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<Mcavity> |
i went to brazil for a few weeks when i was a kid. intresting place. |
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<Tomoe> |
I'd like to know what's the power connector on the zipit z2 like, I might be getting one but it doesn't have the power adaptor so I want to make sure |
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<ahigerd> |
The size is one I haven't seen before, but the power itself is pretty standard |
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<Tomoe> |
4.2V from what I've read? |
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<Mcavity> |
+5v 1.2A |
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<ahigerd> |
Like I said, standard. :P |
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<Tomoe> |
4.2 is for the old one then, I take it |
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<Tomoe> |
that's great |
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<Tomoe> |
and polarity? |
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<Tomoe> |
+ on the inside? |
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<ahigerd> |
Yeah |
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<Tomoe> |
ahigerd: how about the Sony PSP's power plug? |
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<Tomoe> |
have you seen that before? |
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<Tomoe> |
if yes, then I'd presume it's not compatible with Z2 |
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<ahigerd> |
I do have a PSP, and no, it's a different size. |
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<ahigerd> |
The Z2's is longer and narrower |
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<Tomoe> |
meh |
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<Tomoe> |
and here I hoped I solved it out =) |
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<Tomoe> |
thanks ahigerd |
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<ahigerd> |
No problem |
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