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<rkdavis> |
morning all |
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<drmikecrowe> |
morning |
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<rkdavis> |
is it cold where you are drmike? |
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<rkdavis> |
it's blooming freezing |
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<rkdavis> |
i'd have used stronger language but i'm sure this is a pg-13 room |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh kid wants to check his email and facebook so afk for a bit |
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<rkdavis> |
back |
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<drmikecrowe> |
rkdavis: pretty dang cold. 20F here this morning |
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<rkdavis> |
13 in nyc |
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<rkdavis> |
i think i'll start using celcius again it's probably warmer on that scale |
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<rkdavis> |
the heat is on in the house but so many drafts i am wearing gloves to type |
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<rkdavis> |
solved one of my openembedded install problems on gentoo -- my installed version of monotone (for pidgin) was conflicting with the one openembedded installs |
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<rkdavis> |
this is the openembedded on the wiki not the one one er openzipit |
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<rkdavis> |
and i had to remember to put ~/openembedded/bitbake/bin at the start of my path which i forgot :) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
i dropped pidging -- moved to miranda |
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<drmikecrowe> |
though I'm thinking about just doing meebo. simpler.... |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
i looked at meebo and digsby |
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<rkdavis> |
i actually mostly use Tkabber and a friends companies client for IM but i have some stubborn people who won't switch to xmpp |
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<rkdavis> |
i.e. family in the uk use msn and won't switch and game clans and guilds use yahoo |
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<rkdavis> |
i did keep aim for the bots but the ones i liked are mostly deads |
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<rkdavis> |
the zipit's client is actually not too bad for IM |
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<rkdavis> |
other than the fact no xmpp :) |
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* |
rkdavis ducks |
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<rkdavis> |
and no scripting :) |
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<rkdavis> |
ye gods i've seen snails checkout source quicker than the openembedded monotone |
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<rkdavis> |
i could write the source on paper using caligraphy quicker |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh on the monotone sync started at 9:44 it's 10:15 and it's at 651/2315 ugggggghhhhh |
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<djbclark> |
rkdavis: Haven't been able to pawn your kid off on a Zipit? ;-) |
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<rkdavis> |
djb: no way :) |
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<rkdavis> |
can't admit i have the second yet either |
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<rkdavis> |
not until santa visits |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<djbclark> |
So what platform do most people do OE builds from (or alternatively, which is the most likely to Just Work (tm)? |
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<rkdavis> |
don't ask me i've tried virtual machines for ubuntu and suse |
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<rkdavis> |
no joy now trying agin on my gentoo box |
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<rkdavis> |
for ubuntu in vmware or vmware player you'll at least need to add vsod=0 to the kernel args to get scratchbox to run |
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<djbclark> |
Once I have something working I can just make a big-ass VM tarball avaliable... I think that would cause a lot more people to start on zipit dev (spending severlal days getting a working dev environment going is no fun) |
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<rkdavis> |
at least vsod=0 is needed on an amd turion 64 x2 laptop for scratchbox |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll be able to tell about gentoo and the wiki OE in about 3 years at this rate |
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<rkdavis> |
853/2315 in about 45mins so far |
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<rkdavis> |
yay almost half way through 972/2315 |
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<rkdavis> |
ok not halfway but nearer to it |
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<rkdavis> |
aarrgghhh failed |
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<rkdavis> |
mtn: 6.8 M | 2.2 M | 4232/9356 | 1049/2315 |
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<rkdavis> |
mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting |
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<rkdavis> |
make: *** [org.openembedded.dev] Error 1 |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm not paranoid but sonmeone is trying to drive me nuts |
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<djbclark> |
Yeah I kept getting the same thing. Only time I've gotten a build to work somehow is the base-image from the tarball at openzipit - http://www.openzipit.org/Z2Develop/ |
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<rkdavis> |
that failed for me |
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<rkdavis> |
but i wasn't really trying too hard to get it working |
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<rkdavis> |
i think the main thing was my monotone was conflicting with the oe version |
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<rkdavis> |
i haven't really sat down and done it properly i.e. didn't RTFM |
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<rkdavis> |
and the first box i was thinking of using as a dev box was an old ultrasparc as it was the easiest to get to computer -- the rest are under 30 packing boxes and crates :) we moved in july and haven't even hung curtins or reassembled the bed yet |
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<rkdavis> |
still we are still ahead of the curve as last time we didn't unpack at all in over 4 years but it made moving a bit easier :) |
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<rkdavis> |
182/1267 on a make oelocal this time -- another hour at least |
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<rkdavis> |
anyone dressed and willing to go outside? i need someone to bring me coffee and i'm not getting out of bed it's too cold and dunkin donuts doesn't deliver |
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<rkdavis> |
rehoi drmike |
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<rkdavis> |
ok had to install diffstat on gentoo but seems to finally be doing something on the base-image build :) |
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<rkdavis> |
lets see what the next error is |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<steerpike> |
rkdavis: hey |
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<steerpike> |
i said the oe makefile was broken :P |
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<steerpike> |
use T0mW's |
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<steerpike> |
oe doesn't support monotone anymore |
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<steerpike> |
i'm working on fixing it |
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<steerpike> |
well, they said the monotone server was going to be up for some time before they took it down |
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<rkdavis> |
seemed to work if i did it in stages |
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<rkdavis> |
but bitbake is failing on the kernel by the looks of it |
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<rkdavis> |
just need the wireless tools and wpa_supplicant ipkgs atm and then i'll clear it off and try T0mWs again |
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<rkdavis> |
afternoon unrest |
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<unrest_> |
good evening rkdavis |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
of course you are in the botton half of the world iirc |
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<unrest_> |
where's the geological bottom of the earth? ;p |
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* |
unrest_ is from germany |
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<rkdavis> |
i thought it was nz for some reason |
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<unrest_> |
nz? |
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<rkdavis> |
anywhere near bochum or dortmund? |
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<unrest_> |
right next to dortmund |
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<unrest_> |
city of "hagen" |
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<rkdavis> |
i used to spend summers in bochum and hang at RUB and had a girl friend in Gelsenkirchen |
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<rkdavis> |
but that was 20 years ago :) |
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<steerpike> |
hmm.. i trying to use the oe git repository, while running `bitbake base-image` i get.. |
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<steerpike> |
Error, Your PACKAGE_ARCHS field contains duplicates. Perhaps you set EXTRA_PACKAGE_ARCHS twice accidently through some tune file? |
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<unrest_> |
oh.. long time ago in a galaxy far far... :] |
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<unrest_> |
where are you from? |
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<steerpike> |
in machine/zipi2.conf, it has.. PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS = "armv4 armv4t armv5e armv5te " |
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<rkdavis> |
originally the uk but been living in the states since 91 |
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<unrest_> |
what was the reason for you to go overseas? |
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<rkdavis> |
started on the west coast and worked my way east but don't want to get my feet wet so haven't made it back the last 3000 miles |
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<rkdavis> |
fbi and work originally then wife |
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<unrest_> |
the feds? |
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<rkdavis> |
she's a brooklyn born and bred girl and won't move out |
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* |
steerpike hides his stash |
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<rkdavis> |
yup did some computer security work for them in the 80s and the usda in the 90s |
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<rkdavis> |
steer: the feds have the best stash anyway they don't want yours :) |
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<steerpike> |
^_^ |
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<rkdavis> |
unless it's the good shit and then we share it 60/40 |
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<unrest_> |
so you're still in their line of work i deduce? =) |
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<rkdavis> |
nope a househusband these days |
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<unrest_> |
"then we share" sounded different from what you told me the other day.. |
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<rkdavis> |
got burntout with programming and security work and they changed the law on me so i cna't work for them any more and i got ill for a couple of years and only just on the mend now |
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<rkdavis> |
so now i just do the hosework and muck about on computers other than the odd repair job or building |
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<rkdavis> |
well the sharing is depending on how good your stuff is :) |
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<unrest_> |
and this does depend and hat you are looking for |
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<rkdavis> |
ok T0mW's oe installed lets see how well it does buiding the base image compared to the wiki /version/ |
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<unrest_> |
aah |
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<rkdavis> |
went quicker for a start 20 mins compared to 3 hours |
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<unrest_> |
thanks for the reminder! =) |
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<rkdavis> |
ah i do have a use after all :) my purpose in life |
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<steerpike> |
would you have to report me if i was to talk about the assassination of a gov't official? |
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<rkdavis> |
unrest's todo list |
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<steerpike> |
:D |
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<rkdavis> |
steer: nope probably help you |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<unrest_> |
rkdavis, you nice little ant drone have proved yourself valuable to me :) |
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<steerpike> |
hehe :D |
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<rkdavis> |
w00t! it's 21 degrees farenheight now risen 9 degrees in 7 hours |
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<rkdavis> |
at this rate it';ll be summer again in hmmmmm 6 months |
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<steerpike> |
oh, the dish installation guy came, but he won't work with the ice :( |
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rkdavis has 3 quilts, 4 blankets 1 hot water bottle and a cat around him and still has cold feet |
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<rkdavis> |
steer: :( so still no tv? |
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<steerpike> |
nope :( |
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<rkdavis> |
well more time to do stuff on the zipit then |
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<steerpike> |
i was able to hook up my cable line, but they put filters on it, and to remove the filters i have to go up the pole |
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<steerpike> |
hehe yeah |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmm T0mW's seems to be doing better -- not failed on the kernel yet |
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<rkdavis> |
maybe it hasn't reached there though |
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<steerpike> |
can you show me what he used for the PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS value in machine/zipit2.conf? |
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unrest_ now installs the wiki'ed version of OE.. |
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<steerpike> |
the wiki version is hardly ever updated |
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<steerpike> |
instead they keep posting info for additional dev environments |
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<unrest_> |
then tell me how i can get the xf86-XXXX drivers to compile in tom's package.. |
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<steerpike> |
can't we just stick to one? :D |
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<rkdavis> |
ok only found one zipit2.conf |
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<rkdavis> |
in misc |
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<steerpike> |
kk |
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<steerpike> |
yeah, he used different dir structures iirc |
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<unrest_> |
who? tom!? |
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<steerpike> |
yeah |
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<steerpike> |
well, not for the fs |
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<rkdavis> |
http://zipit.pastebin.com/m5b46072e |
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<steerpike> |
kk.. armv4t |
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<steerpike> |
thanks :) |
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<rkdavis> |
null problemo |
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<rkdavis> |
ok looks like the problem i had with my initial attempt with t0mw's was my installed monotone was causing a conflict until after the install so either remove it or change the path so it comes after the makefiles version |
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<rkdavis> |
so far it seems to be working ok |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll know in about 4 hours |
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<steerpike> |
kk, just got `bitbake base-image` working :D |
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<steerpike> |
i'm using the wiki conf files + git repo version of OE |
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<rkdavis> |
coolio |
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<unrest_> |
are there other books like the neuromancer trilogy? |
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<steerpike> |
oi.. http://rafb.net/p/QRE8dE99.html |
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<steerpike> |
what file is that in? :S |
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<steerpike> |
it's supposed to be zipit2-packages |
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<Mathman952> |
try rerunning the bake |
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<Mathman952> |
sometimes stuff fails for no reason at all |
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<steerpike> |
well it's an error in the shell script.. i just don't know which shell script it was trying to run :\ |
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<steerpike> |
Mathman952: hmm.. you were right |
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<Mathman952> |
heh |
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<Mathman952> |
i remember reading somewhere or other that the failures happen because of the way bitbake threads stuff |
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<Mathman952> |
sometimes it gets to a point where it needs something that was still compiling in the background or something |
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<steerpike> |
ah, makes sense |
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<Mathman952> |
so it just aborts |
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<Mathman952> |
if you try a few times and it still sticks on the same package, then you should start to investigate |
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<rkdavis> |
base-image finished but a few sanity test fails |
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<Mathman952> |
but if you can nudge it forwards by re-running the command, it's fine |
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<steerpike> |
maybe i shouldn't be playing bzflag in the meantime |
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<Mathman952> |
lol |
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<Mathman952> |
i dont think its that big a deal |
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<Mathman952> |
whats fun is when you set off a bitbake run then go to bed |
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<Mathman952> |
then wake up and find that it died right after you left |
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<steerpike> |
hehe |
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<steerpike> |
tsk, this log.do_compile file is completely empty |
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<steerpike> |
so is log.do_configure |
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<Mathman952> |
lol |
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<steerpike> |
no, it's the same error.. it keeps looking for /tmp/openembedded/zipit2- it's leaving off the `-packages` portion |
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<Mathman952> |
hmm |
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<Mathman952> |
symlink the path? :D |
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<steerpike> |
i like doing things proper.. i'm getting to the bottom of this :( |
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<rkdavis> |
yay bitbaked a base image using T0mW's oe :) |
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<rkdavis> |
and it booted the second time too |
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<rkdavis> |
although i had to do the prepSDcard stuff by hand again bloody unzip saying fatroot not a zipfile |
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<rkdavis> |
where's the pipe char on the zipit? |
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<steerpike> |
rkdavis: does your sd card show up as mmcblkX as well? |
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<rkdavis> |
yup on this build |
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<steerpike> |
http://echelon.net.ru/prepSDcard.txt |
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<rkdavis> |
i solvedit last week with the fullpaths this week i just did it by hand as on my gentoo box the sdcard reader seems flakey |
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<rkdavis> |
all i need now is where is the | char :) |
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<steerpike> |
just needed to comment out an if condition in createPartitions function |
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<rkdavis> |
noticed in the recipes that loudmouth is there and readline and guile -- maybe freetalk will work |
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<rkdavis> |
need to read up about bitbake recipes |
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<Mathman952> |
rkdavis, if i recall correctly, there's no pipe |
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<Mathman952> |
closest you can do is redirect to a file then less the file |
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<Mathman952> |
or you could edit the keymap and add a pipe |
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<rkdavis1> |
rehoi all |
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<steerpike> |
oi, it's finally building |
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<steerpike> |
at least i don't have to use monotone.. that thing is horrible |
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<rkdavis1> |
found the | key :) |
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<rkdavis1> |
alt-smiley |
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<rkdavis1> |
still can't get it to associate with my router even when i turn of wep on it takes the darn linksys and won't let me reassociate |
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<steerpike> |
rkdavis1: using wpa_supplicant or iwconfig? |
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<rkdavis1> |
iwconfig |
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<steerpike> |
i fixed my association problem by restarting the router |
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<steerpike> |
hrm |
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<rkdavis1> |
i turned off wep |
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<rkdavis1> |
rebooted the router and it just fails |
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<rkdavis1> |
gives and error but i forget which |
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<rkdavis1> |
a set error i think |
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<rkdavis1> |
mompls kid home he needs the lappy i need the ap so i can get irssi onto the zipit |
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<rkdavis1> |
brb |
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<steerpike> |
k |
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<rkdavis1> |
back |
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<rkdavis1> |
think i need to get proper mini sd cards too the sandisk micro with adapter seem flakey |
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<rkdavis1> |
weird |
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<Mathman952> |
?? |
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<rkdavis1> |
online with my ap |
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<rkdavis1> |
but the zipit right next to the laptop and router can't see it |
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<Mathman952> |
oh, and regarding the micro/mini sd thing - check the adapter, they break easily |
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<Mathman952> |
:( |
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<Mathman952> |
yeah, the laptop probably has a much-higher-strength card |
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<Mathman952> |
and it's drowning out the zipit |
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<rkdavis1> |
yeah i hate it but couldn't find a mini in any store near me |
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<rkdavis1> |
put the zip it on the router and the laptop 30 feet away iwlist still doesn't show it |
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<Mathman952> |
hmm |
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<Mathman952> |
is it a hidden AP? |
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<rkdavis1> |
nope |
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<Mathman952> |
try connecting to it anyway |
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<Mathman952> |
see if it works |
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<rkdavis1> |
i turned off all security |
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<rkdavis1> |
it fails |
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<Mathman952> |
alright, that's a start |
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<Mathman952> |
that's not |
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<Mathman952> |
:/ |
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<rkdavis1> |
error for wireless request set essid 08b1a |
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<rkdavis1> |
set failed on device eth0 |
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<steerpike> |
buildroot is so much easier and takes little time :( |
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<rkdavis1> |
network is unreachable |
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<steerpike> |
hmm/ |
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<rkdavis1> |
ok which one of you dropped catfood in my coffee? |
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<rkdavis1> |
yuk |
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<Mathman952> |
you seriously have a router with the ssid of 08b1a? |
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<rkdavis1> |
nopy |
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<rkdavis1> |
oadby |
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<rkdavis1> |
but it's not taking it |
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<rkdavis1> |
doing iwconfig eth0 essid "oadby" |
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<rkdavis1> |
and iwconfig eth0 essid oadby |
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<rkdavis1> |
same error |
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<steerpike> |
using oe? |
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<rkdavis1> |
yup |
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<steerpike> |
yeah, oe drivers are crappy |
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<steerpike> |
still experimental |
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<Mathman952> |
have you tried powercycling the zipit? |
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<rkdavis1> |
several times |
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<Mathman952> |
alright |
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<rkdavis1> |
wish there were a standard build environment |
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<rkdavis1> |
maybe 2 1 for static and 1 for dynamic |
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<steerpike> |
we have 3-4 ^_^ |
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<rkdavis1> |
only 3 or 4 it feels like 300 or 400 :) |
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<steerpike> |
i still haven't tried scratchbox |
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<rkdavis1> |
it looked like it might be the best but didn't get it working right yet |
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<steerpike> |
too many dependencies not available for my distro |
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<rkdavis1> |
and it seems to still need some settings set |
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<rkdavis1> |
i was digging around at least part of zipit's dev suite seems to be sygwin based :) |
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<rkdavis1> |
cygwin even |
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<steerpike> |
oi |
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<rkdavis1> |
so i suspect buildroot based |
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<steerpike> |
if you can set your wireless card to Master mode you wouldn't have to wait for the router |
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<steerpike> |
well, i think it'll work even in ad-hoc mode |
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<steerpike> |
oh lawd, still compiling glibc |
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<steerpike> |
drmikecrowe2374: i thought we were switching to uclibc on OE? |
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<steerpike> |
or did T0mW say that |
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<rkdavis> |
tried to install irssi and can't seem to get glib to even befound |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh |
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<rkdavis> |
now it won't build irssi :) |
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<steerpike> |
oh, irssi kept segfaulting last time i tried to build it |
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<steerpike> |
well, it segfaulted when i /quit |
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<steerpike> |
so it's not a big deal |
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<rkdavis> |
oh ok |
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<rkdavis> |
the 0.8 ver? |
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<steerpike> |
i don't remember, it was months ago |
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<rkdavis> |
it's nice that loudmouth is in oe ok an older version than needed but although it's not a great xmpp lib it is an xmpp client lib |
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<rkdavis> |
aaarrggghh got zipitthumb |
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<rkdavis> |
my right thumb is seized in aweird position :) |
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<steerpike> |
hehe |
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<steerpike> |
i'm thinking if i can modify the binary to authenticate with another server, i would be able to use the original z2 software again |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<steerpike> |
zipit, inc guys probably won't be happy with that |
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<rkdavis> |
prolly |
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<steerpike> |
at least i would be able to add my own stations |
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<rkdavis> |
can't you do that in the xml files anyway? |
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<steerpike> |
the direct streams url's are stored in the xml file? |
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<rkdavis> |
don't quote me but two xml files that seem to have the stationxz stuff in them |
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<steerpike> |
i thought the list gets pushed to the z2 after some interval |
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<rkdavis> |
i think only when you tell it to d/l it |
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<rkdavis> |
probably very naughty to edit yourself :) but.... |
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<rkdavis> |
sssshhhhhhh i won't tell if you don't |
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<steerpike> |
^_^ |
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<drmikecrowe2374> |
hey steerpike, cooking dinner. bbl |
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<rkdavis> |
wonder what he's making? i made pea and ham soup but that's for the wife and kid i'll make my self something tasty instead |
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<steerpike> |
lol |
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<steerpike> |
oh, the dish installation guy is just going to hook up the dish to my cable line |
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<steerpike> |
and that line is split to 4 parts of the house |
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<steerpike> |
so i don't have to use the extra dish i got |
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<steerpike> |
i'll use it for wifi ^_^ |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<steerpike> |
bitbake is a real pain |
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<steerpike> |
i've had to run `bitbake base-image` 5 times now |
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<steerpike> |
and all with different results each time |
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<rkdavis> |
well at least it's keeping you amused with no tv |
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<steerpike> |
lol |
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<steerpike> |
yeah.. it's been like 7 days now :\ |
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<rkdavis> |
not been much on so no biggy |
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<steerpike> |
oh, today's monday |
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<steerpike> |
wow.. only 6:43? feels like.. 8 or 9 |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
heh just finally got around to listening to the /latest/ lily allen song -- nearly peed myself laughing |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
rkdavis: mmm, split pea soup |
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<rkdavis> |
sorry got ham in it |
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<rkdavis> |
but lots of nice mushed peans and onikns and carrots |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yea, noticed that, but besides the ham, it sounds good |
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<rkdavis> |
been simmering for 24 hours too |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
nice |
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<rkdavis> |
so all nice and disgusting greeny brown colour |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
heh |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
it is a nasty color ;-) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
unless you throw in blended spinach, it greens up the color |
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<rkdavis> |
oooo hadn't thought about doing that |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yea, it really helps, plus it makes it healthier |
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<rkdavis> |
i think i'll make myself some cheese on toast with tomatos, olives and bacon |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
hmm, what kind of bread? |
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<rkdavis> |
well i wandered down to the corner store earlier so some nice italian bread |
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<drmikecrowe2374> |
it was a tasty chicken soup with ramen noodles.... |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
mmm, italian bread |
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<rkdavis> |
hankering after your student dormroom days eh? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
LOL -- nah, makes a nice quick family meal (when cooked in volume for my 16 year old) |
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<rkdavis> |
drmike: if you get a chance and feel like bittorrenting apparitions is a great /mini/ series |
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<drmikecrowe> |
apparitions? haven't heard of it. I'll have to check it out |
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<rkdavis> |
if she's 16 she should be cooking for you |
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<rkdavis> |
she'll need the practice |
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<drmikecrowe> |
he |
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<drmikecrowe> |
;) |
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<rkdavis> |
http://eztv.it/shows/766/apparitions-bbc-1-uk/ |
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<drmikecrowe> |
daughter is 13, she's just starting the growth. sucks getting old |
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<rkdavis> |
well even more reason he needs to learn some household skills |
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<rkdavis> |
you'll be kicking him out in a couple of years |
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<drmikecrowe> |
steerpike: please don't hack the app. that's definitely a no-no |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
bah, I was cooking since I was 3 years old ;-) |
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<rkdavis> |
yeah that's naughty steer |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
of course it was just making myself a sandwich ;-) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah, he's got mac-n-cheese down. needs some more recipes... |
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<rkdavis> |
sheperd's pie is easy |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
rkdavis: heh, my parents have yet to kick me out |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
rkdavis: I think I maybe to valuable to kick out ;-) |
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<rkdavis> |
chopped meat, some veg an beef bullion cube and some mashed potato |
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<rkdavis> |
g1: yeah i left home and less than 2 years later i was back |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
rkdavis: any problem technically related is handed off to me |
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<drmikecrowe> |
rk: you won't believe this, the spousal unit is pushing for a full English Christmas dinner. she's looking for Christmas pudding recipes now |
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<rkdavis> |
g1: you mean when the vcr flashes 12:00 |
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<rkdavis> |
too late to make a good christmas pud |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
rkdavis: that, and everything else |
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<rkdavis> |
should have started months ago |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
rkdavis: plus my parents own a retail store, so I have to help with all that stuff too |
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<rkdavis> |
yup saw on your blog |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
ahh |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
heh, someone actually reads my blog ;-) |
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<rkdavis> |
drmike: tell ehr not to forget the christmas crackers |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yep, already have them |
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<rkdavis> |
and the 7 types of stuffing and 5 types of potato and the myriad of other veggies |
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<rkdavis> |
i have to run out tomorrow to get some i forgot to get the snapeprs to make them |
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<rkdavis> |
i normally do |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
meh, I tell you, working in retail completely destroys the holidays for us |
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<rkdavis> |
g1: yup i used to work in the pub and resturant trade |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
by the time we get to christmas, we're sick of it |
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<rkdavis> |
i used to love the holidays though |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yea |
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<rkdavis> |
time and a half to triple time and i hate people especially relatives so i volunteered for every session |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
hehe |
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* |
g1powermac_PB especially loves thanksgiving |
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<rkdavis> |
yes that's when us limey's give thanks that we got shot of you uppity colonials |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I never got really into the christmas thing |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
hehe |
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<rkdavis> |
hmmm that's another thing the stock zipit app needs -- a spellchecker |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
on christmas morning, I was never excited, even if my parents bought me a batch of presents when I was young |
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<drmikecrowe> |
to quote groucho marx: my mother loves kids -- she wished I'd been one.... |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
hehe |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
drmikecrowe: that sounds awfully familiar, I was never a kid :-) |
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g1powermac_PB was always, ehm, 'different' |
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<drmikecrowe> |
me either. before high school, I was goofing around with radio-shack model 3's. started on timex sinclairs (for the really old farts here) |
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<rkdavis> |
heheheheheh |
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<rkdavis> |
i have a timex 1000 next to me at |
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<rkdavis> |
the moment |
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<drmikecrowe> |
no way |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I always separated myself from others |
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<rkdavis> |
loved the model3 we used that at college |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
and was always interested in building stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
but i was in the best place for 8bit micros |
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<rkdavis> |
the uk in the 80s |
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<drmikecrowe> |
bingo |
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<rkdavis> |
i have a website about 1 |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
before getting involved with electronics, I loved doing woodworking |
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<rkdavis> |
it was a great hackers machine |
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<rkdavis> |
the camputers lynx |
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<drmikecrowe> |
my first consulting gig was helping the university of texas (austin) install stuff via 12" floppy disks. LOL |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
lol |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
and I was quite young, built my first clubhouse thing when I was ten years old |
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<drmikecrowe> |
g1, I do to, wish I had a better set of equipment |
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<rkdavis> |
mine was writing accounting suite for a leisure company on a cp/m system and 8" disks holding 160k |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
using just hand tools, dang parents didn't want me to use power tools |
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<rkdavis> |
heh |
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<drmikecrowe> |
my first big application was a quick-basic console app that filled in real-estate forms and printed it on dot-matrix printers. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
that's hard core (hand tools) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
drmikecrowe: I now got a fairly large collection of power tools, just today I got an awesome sliding miter saw that cuts everything, wood, aluminum, steel |
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<rkdavis> |
you had handtools in my day we had to cut wood with our teeth |
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g1powermac_PB slaps rkdavis ;-) |
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<rkdavis> |
heh |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yow |
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<rkdavis> |
ok show of hands -- which decade did you all own your first computer in? |
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<rkdavis> |
70s ? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
90s for me, but I'm only 22 |
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<rkdavis> |
70s for me i'm 43 and a bit |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I'd have to be less than 4 years old to own a computer in the 80s |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
oh wait a second. . . |
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<rkdavis> |
g1 is a young whippersnapper |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I did have a coleco vision |
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<rkdavis> |
get off my lawn you darn kids |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
when I was that age |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
that could be considered a specialized computer :-) |
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<rkdavis> |
yup it sure can they did keyboards and such for it too or was that just the adam? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
not sure |
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<rkdavis> |
never could remember |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
to tell you the truth, I don't remember it, I only remember seeing pictures of myself playing it |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
the one system I do remember much of is my NES |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
then my favorite of all time being the SNES |
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<rkdavis> |
brb think i hear the wife coming |
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g1powermac_PB never got into the newer video games |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
2d games FTW! ;-) |
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<steerpike> |
<3 allegro :D |
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rehoi |
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