ZipitForge - Trac

i used it in the past, after things just started to break for no reason i gave up on it, i'll start using it again after they configure oe to use uclibc

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i'm not going to be able to get to my spare boxes until after christmas maybe the new year :( as wife wants me to paint the apt

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oh :\

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alright, i'll see what i can do

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yeah and tidy the place too

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next she'll want me to washup and put the garbage out too

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are you using T0mW's copy?

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i used the one from clemson i think

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the link from the wiki to there is an oldone here

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oh, i meant the dev environment

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oh i tried all on a vm but no joy and the one from openzipit.org on a gentoo box

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i'll see if they fixed the broken Makefile on linux.zipitwireless

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i really need to start making notes about the zipit and what i need to do to use it etc.

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by the way what key is the escape key when in z2shell?

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the smiley face lol

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the green one on the top left

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i mean

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the one next to the power button

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hmmm green? the power button?

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bleh

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oh that is black on mine

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you mean the emoticons buttons

no, you're right

i'm just dyslexic

mee tooooooo

^_^

dyslexics of the world untied

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hehe :D

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yeah, it's the emoticon button

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ok now i can use the busybox vi on z2shell

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thought i had pressed it though prolly not

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i figured that's why you needed it ^_^

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had the same problem figuring that out

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also, it doesn't have undo :(

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i need to find a kid with small fingers to do my typing for me though

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lol

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did you try ssh'ing into the zipit yet?

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that makes things easier

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my sons are bigger than mine -- like sausages so he's no good

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lol

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nope not ssh'ed in yet

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just trying it out as i will eventually be using at leas tone of them

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as a pocket terminal to my other boxes when i'm out and about and for xmpp if i can get a client working

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nice :)

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zipit's real s/w actually isn't too bad though

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be nice if they did the xmpp upgrade

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yeah, it's limited

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and checked the radio stations as 99% of the ones i tried don't play

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they talked about adding new software to it later on

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but no word on that

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i don't mind limited functions for im

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not as if i'll be doing any file xfers or anything with it just chatting

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my original intention was to use it for SIP.. i was told it had a mic jack.. but no one told me the mic jack was "special"

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of course they need to becareful as the targe tis parents bhuying for kids/teens so they need to not add too much that cna't be controlled

the back connector?

mompls pb

k

the port next to the headphone jack

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this guy who used to hang around on here.. Foxx

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he said it's very similar to the mic port the nintendo ds uses

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a headphone jack?

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where

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shows how observant i am

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the one next to headphone jack

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oh the side with the reset

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aha.. i think foxx was right

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take a look at this.. http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-DS-Headset/dp/B000MXSP2K

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yes it does look like it

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too bad there's no way of using audio yet! lol

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can't you just compile the example they gave on the wiki and run that at each boot?

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that's to register the audio.. i don't know how to do that

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i imagine you would have to write an alsa driver or something

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never worked with i2c before :\

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not sure i found what i think to be the datasheet

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looks like rockbox know about it

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cool

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probably used in alot of mp3/mp4 players

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makes sense

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yup

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looks like it's the chip in the sansa

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i have a sansa :D

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my wife does too

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only piece of electronics i bought her tha thasn't committed suicide'

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hehe yeah, i've had it for.. 3yrs now

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she kills electronics in about 2 to 3 months from when i give them to her

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this is nearly 2 years old

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i have a coby mpc-951

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i hardly use it though

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same

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i don't listen to music anymore :\

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i just have british radio comedy on it

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and a few audio books

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and some /trendy/ uk bands and singers that noone in the usa my age has heard of

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when i was in the hospital last year only one person recognised who i waas listenig too and that was one of the medical studentys on my case who happened to have gone to a uk unisersvity for part of her training

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i put pimsleur language lessons on it

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heh

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by the way is the key repeat my cachandedness or limits of the keyboard driver?

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nah, it's not a driver problem

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i think you can use kbd_mode or something to set the repeat rate

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ok

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probably me then

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especually when typing the red chars

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but it is a problem with how hard you have to press the keys

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yes

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mompls need to check rice etc and kid wants to check his email -- brb

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ok, kbd_mode is a part of "console-tools" on buildroot

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hmm, iirc, that OE image you have already has it

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i fed him instead

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:)

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by the way when i did try buildroot it pulled down a load of kernel stuff but the wrong version afaik did you just replace that with the one off the wiki?

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and do i really need to do --host=x86 and all that jazz on a configure using build root?

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hmm? nope.. i just used the module from that sourceforge site

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http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=115

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just followed those instructions

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ok

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that's what i did must have missed something somewhere then

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you got it from the cvs?

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i clicked the links on the page so whatever that gave me

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i'll get it sussed eventually

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you had to get the buildroot.config file from the cvs

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:( nowsaying only 1-3 inches of snow

yup and rename it

only :(

i like snow

christmas in nyc is not what it used to be

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not going to start until 9am and not dawn as they said this morning

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ah drmike :)

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hey rkdavis, what's up?

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maybe this time i won't miss you

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you work for zipit don't you?

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he does?

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i thought i heard somewhere that he did :)

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i thought he just maintained the trac

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yep

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i might be going senile though

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cool :D

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guilty as charged

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just wondered if there were any plans for xmpp support anytime in the future

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I try to keep an eye on the channel, but with CES coming up, it's been very hectic

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ah

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and also are the im accounts direct to msn/aim/yahoo servers or via a proxy on a zipit site

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yes and no. it's very high on a list of priorities, but I don't have a project yet to work it into the s/w

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rkdavis: proxy i imagine

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also any chance of some old foggies radio channels :)

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direct to each

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oh, i stand corrected

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drmike: cool

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for radio the odd news channel would be nice

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yep, i don't want to route that traffic through our servers. lots

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rkdavis wants xmpp implementation

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yeah, I do too

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yup as i was involved with the jsf/xsf a few years ago

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so, on the old fogie stations, I'm willing to add links to the list. You have any suggestions?

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not off hand as the bbc is real streams

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but i'll look to see which ones i use

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if we can figure out this audio thing we'll be using our own streams tyvm ;)

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i just added the radio paradise link (eclectic). If you come up with a pretty reliable link, I can add some

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has nobody gotten it up?

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but on the whole love the device got 2 now one my wife bought me for christmas to hack on and destroy and one that i'll use as is

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the streams i added to it today only one worked

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drmikecrowe: can't they just create a screen scraper to shoutcast.com? :D

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drmikecrowe: no!

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believe it or not, you can't use shoutcast commercially

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the WGBH classical one didn't play and a few of the 1club ones

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oh :(

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yup lots of restrictions with shout/ice cast iirc

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steerpike : I got those register defs from our engineering team. from what I understood, it was all we needed. rats

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well, having the option to add pls/m3u links would generally be nice

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yeah

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drmike: the audio is the wolfson wm8751 ?

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it says on the page wilson but i'm finding tons about the wolfson nowt about wilson

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thought it might be a typo or a clone

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I think so -- isn't it in the list at linux.zipitwireless.com? it's been a while since I reviewed it

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the list says wilson i'm leaning towards wolfson as the registers in the data sheet look about the same

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It's definitely wolfson. somebody must have entered that wrong

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lets check the logs

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drmikecrowe: how about the specifications for the mic jack.. is it supposed to be used with this? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41kgPuzONIL._SS400_.jpg

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:)

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steerpike: -- I don't know. there is a mic coming out that connector, but we haven't productized it yet. that would be great if there were something which would match it already in produciton, though

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also, if you feed me some questions, it can try and get them answered by engineering

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great

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hopefully i'll be able to get a dev box up soon (still unpacking from a move in july and the wife wants me to paint now too) so some tech info would be handy

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i want to port euphria programming lang to the zipit and get xmpp on it

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I'll do what I can. like I said, it's been crazy here

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drmike: looks like it was you who typo'ed the wilson/wolfson

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grr

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i bet now i have a v2 a v3 is coming out :)

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nah, i don't think they're finished with v2 just yet

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rk -- you say you have xmpp experience?

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yes a bit

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me too :D

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i was chairman of the jsf/xsf board for a year

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and i do a bit of it

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i worked with openfire

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and know most of the core programmers in a few clients/server projects

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cool

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mompls wife at door

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I'm evaluating jabber servers atm. trying to get familiar with them

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openfire is great :)

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it has ldap integrated, and you can add server-side plugins, etc

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that was my first choice. The was another one (began with a T).

tigase

tigase

ah

anyway.. if they're working on some kind of headset for the z2.. does that mean they're going to implement some sort of voip service along with it?

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oh, interesting new project: http://prosody.im/

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the hardware support is there. there's a lot of cost in implementing that, so we're looking for the right business case to fund it

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yeah

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http://gizmo5.com/pc/backdoor/

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maybe they can work out a contract with some already established SIP provider and you'll just have to work on a client for the z2

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an easy to use client (zero configuration) client that is

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and any sip service would jump at the opportunity to include their service in a product

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drmikecrowe: no?

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interesting -- let me forward that on.

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btw, please use my nick if I seem away -- that's needed to get my attention.

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i figured ;)

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back

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wife wanted to whine about work for 40 mins or so

heh

just reading back

:)

there are some nice gpl'ed sip softphones they could use

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use linphone as the backend they could put ant front end they wanted on it

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well, they would have to use their api or whatever they use

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yeah, that's good

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wouldn't be too hard as linphone is pretty moduler

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speaking of which, i can't seem to get any audio from my linphone, i don't know if it's the codec or whatever

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1 way audio or no audio

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well, i don't have my mic plugged in, but i'm calling test numbers and i don't hear anything

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and audio works ok elsewhere

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?

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yeah

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ok got the rtp ports open?

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on you router

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i've previously been using the magicjack as the audio device

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no, but i never had to

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the connection is established just fine, i can see the traffic in linphone's debug window

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does linphone still only oss?

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nope, alsa

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ok

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thought ot might be no oss emulation

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You may want to restrict the open ports on the firewall: you need at least to preserve the SIP port (udp/5060), the audio rtp port (udp/7078) and the video rtp port (udp/9078). All those ports are configurable from linphone, but keeping 5060 for SIP is highly recommended.

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i also configured stun

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if 7078 isn't open you won't get any audio

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i'll try ekiga

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could also see if sjphone still exists i used that alot a couple of years ago and it was pretty good

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rkdavis: was this the one? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19868031-

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that was one

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cool :)

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seems they didn't post the actual firmware because of licensing

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yup

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drmikecrowe : ping me when you get less busy and i'll knock my xmpp server evaluations reports and spreadsheets into a humanreadable form rather than a rkdavis readable form for you

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LOL -- sounds good

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I'll know in the next few weeks what the timing will be

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i've tested about 95% of them over the years and recently finished setting up an asterisk to xmpp project

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ok

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seems like ejabberd is the standard, but erlang -- ugh

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yup

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although i was there at the beginning of that one

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really? interesting.

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you a lua fan?

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i was listening to thauthor when he started

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not played with it much

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i'm less of a programmer now adays

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got burnt out in the 80s and spent the 90s with no phone or online presense because of it

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I'm using it as an extension language to several projects -- fascinated by what I can with it

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justgetting back into programming now

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yes it is definatly good

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know the feeling

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i just got back into euphoria

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nice and simple

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really should update my language list though i was into ruby for a while

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but it got annoying

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ugh, ruby. readable perl -- what a laugh

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I've been learning puppet in my spare time. I just don't get ruby (nor the hype)

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it was fun in 99 and 2000 when noone knew it

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but once rails attracted people it justgot ugh

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puppet?

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpuppet.reductivelabs.com%2F&ei=6gRLSdq0JJKU-ga7yJG2Dw&usg=AFQjCNHrnh0DvahpMoC1Jozyhk6B-6dt7Q&sig2=zZn7Bur4bMFCIoutXZXtaQ

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argh

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http://reductivelabs.com/trac/puppet

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cross between bash and autoit?

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i really hate this laptop :( stuck in vista i HAVE to get my linux boxes out of the spareroom

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it's more than that. once you set up a server and client, you can manage 100 machines from a central server.

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and, you can use ruby to do the system maintenance operations, which you need to expand it

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oooooo

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you don't happen to have the wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant ipkg packeges for oe stored on a server anywhere do you?

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w00t! just patched the firmware :)

w00t

not me...

now.. what do i do?

steer: go to disneyland

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lol.. but what do i do with the two files?

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we without reading any docs

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i would assume you either setup tftpd or use a web interface to load them

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drmike: pity oh well i'll have to wait wifi with oe then

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steer: i assume that it'll be standard firmware updating on the pap

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i'll set up a oe build environment for you tomorrow.. it'll take a long while to build, but i'll be busy with my new dish so i won't be using the pc much anyway ^_^

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:)

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installing a dish in a blizzard?

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:)

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lol, that's the installation guy's problem

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i also got my $1 directv dish today to which i'm going to attach my biquad antenna to

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:)

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hmmm looks like the olpc either was going to use or uses the same wifi chip as the zipit

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interesting.. so we can use their driver

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because the driver on this thing is crap lol

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doubt it but they might have info on it

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or even better.. the source

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the cool thing about olpc's wifi is that it creates a mesh network

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that would be cool even if you didn't live in a 3rd world country

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yup

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you would know when another z2 user is within range of you

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a have friends who have them

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they love them for the mesh stuff

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i wonder how many zipits are out in the wild :)

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who knows

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i bet drmikecrowe would know

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he could just look up the number of users that signed up for an account

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LOL -- sorry, confidential....

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oh :(

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i won't persist then

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Christmas gifts are always hot. busy time of year...

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thought it would be

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i have 2

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steer has 1 so that's 3

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i'll have to start asking people

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I have a few myself...

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i always wanted the v1 but couldn't justify it to the wife

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and when you have 30computers in the house even a small new one is frowned upon

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that kid on youtube.. Fred has one

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yeah

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fred. nuf said

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drmike: i right in thinking the one i got from target does need the subscription plan?

lol

right saids fred

rk -- not for 1y

oooo coolio

i have 2 that will work properly from the get go then

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i can't open one until christmas day and have to hide the other from the bette half

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but now she'll never notice i have 2 :)

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:D

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hmmmm interesting -- dead site bt looks like the 88w8686 drivers for wifi are open source in some situations

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using the marvell 88w8686 chipset in SDIO mode.The driver is fully open source and suitable patches which we have tested to work perfectly can be found at http://www.moblin.org/repos/?p=projects/kernel-mid.git;a=commit;h=6ece0b9fd73130bdb1b8f4f6e3824f5f497edd8f

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w00t! i think it flashed :D

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steer: great

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not to see if it works

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s/not/now

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eh, i can't seem to connect to it

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no ping response :S

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uhoh

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ok lets think about this logically

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it's behind your router?

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yeah

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it seems to have gotten an ip

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if so it's probably reset to the 192.168.1.1 ip

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hrm

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so you'll need to see what the router gace it

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gave it

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try 192.168.2.1

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yeah, i've checked the dhcp client table

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sometimes your router has a menu showing active connections

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the best thing to try is to take it out of the network

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and connect a computer to it directly

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see if you cna get to it that way and set anything that needs setting and then put it back in with a static ip

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you think it might still be upgrading?

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it shouldn't be

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did it reboot?

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i got the 'system restarting...' message

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should have been ok then

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do a 30/30 reset

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hmm?

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press hold reset for 30 seconds power on then power off while still holding reset for 30 seconds

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then let go and power on again

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brb time to put the kettle on

[22:09:49]

ok kettle on, scones cooling, jam and clotted cream by the computer and biscuits for dunking by the bed :)

[22:13:07]

rk -- you a brit?

[22:13:09]

yup

[22:13:17]

but been in the states this time since 91

[22:13:29]

a limey through and through

[22:14:43]

started on the left coast -- worked and lived in berkeley and livermore and started to move east just never made it back the last 3000miles

[22:16:52]

my wife wants us to move to England. Whatever is from there, it's good

heh

of course it is :)

you darn colonials

:D

you even cheated in the revolutionary war

[22:17:22]

just not sporting to hide in trees wearing green

[22:17:25]

we're huge BBC America fans -- Top Gear, Graham Norton, Coupling, you name it

[22:17:27]

yeah, bastards

[22:17:33]

top gear is great

[22:17:36]

i d/l british tv everyday

[22:17:42]

watch more than i watch american tv

[22:17:47]

you see the episode with them crossing the desert in southern africa?

[22:17:51]

yes

[22:17:53]

have you see any of this seasons?

[22:17:53]

i was LMAO

[22:18:05]

Some, we just saw the police episode

[22:18:23]

did you see jeremeny driving throuhg a brick wall?

[22:18:37]

do you listen to bbc radio?

no, I missed that.

it was hilarios

hilarious even

i have to catch that

it's on youtube too

LOL -- ok, gotta dig that up

[22:19:06]

i think it might be newer than what bbca is currently showing

[22:19:16]

ah, i'll keep an eye out for it

[22:19:17]

if you bittorrent you cna find the newest season on eztv.it

[22:19:23]

want to hear our most depressing moment?

[22:19:27]

david tennett leaving Dr. Who

[22:19:28]

yes i know

[22:19:29]

it sucks

[22:19:34]

and only 4 episodes next year

[22:19:54]

i know.

[22:19:56]

he's been phenominal

[22:20:00]

almost the best doctor

[22:20:01]

yep

[22:22:20]

i was brought up during the pertwee/baker era

[22:22:26]

my favorite episode so far was "Blink"

[22:22:33]

yes thatw as scarey

[22:22:39]

I missed it (surprisingly). Grew up on the flying circus, but never moved into it

[22:22:41]

have you seen the season with catherine tate in it yet

[22:23:04]

i.e. this years season

oi

rehoi steer

steer: any joy?

yes, we love her. she was awesome in her show

not bovvered

do i look bovvered?

do you like qi?

:D

you see her standing in at the UN as a translator?

[22:24:20]

not sure it does ring a bell

[22:24:21]

my wife/daughter mock her all the time

[22:24:23]

i liked the children in need special she did last year

[22:24:37]

she did a sketch with david tennent and also tony blair

[22:24:40]

.. nothing -_-

[22:24:41]

they were funy

[22:24:41]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTjHO4Sh148

[22:24:42]

funny even

[22:24:48]

I missed that

[22:24:52]

steer: ok let me think this through for a sec

[22:24:56]

ok

[22:26:52]

what do the lights show on the front of it

[22:27:11]

drmike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxB1gB6K-2A

[22:27:32]

drmike: the one with her in the french class was good too

[22:27:41]

steer: i.e. do the lights look /normal/ ?

[22:28:27]

rkdavis: the power and "internet" lights are on

[22:28:31]

but no blinking like normal

[22:28:34]

ok

[22:28:37]

constant green

[22:28:42]

and you still can't ping it

[22:28:43]

no

[22:28:50]

and you did the 30/30?

[22:28:56]

how did you do the update

[22:29:23]

i used the *.web image

ok

via webgui

ok

did you do a factory reset before updating?

[22:30:02]

no?

[22:32:41]

ugh

[22:32:48]

ok shouldn't be too hard to fix unless you are really unlucky

[22:33:16]

firstthing to do -- do you have a computer that you can attach standalone toit?

[22:33:49]

yeah

[22:33:54]

if you can you put the pap on it's own and the computer plugged into port1 (or 2 or....) and give the computer a startic ip

[22:34:11]

say 192.168.1.10

[22:34:18]

net mask 255.255.255.0

[22:34:34]

rk -- OMG -- that's a riot

[22:34:38]

that should let you ping it

[22:34:54]

and probably get in too unless it's worse screw up that a stuck nvram variab;e

[22:35:00]

drmike: thought you might like it

[22:36:26]

:)

[22:39:16]

brb kid wants the lappy

[22:46:42]

that's really weird

[22:46:54]

the pap seems to have requested an ip

[22:46:57]

but i still can't ping it

[22:47:25]

rkdavis: still here?

[22:47:30]

i just restarted my router

[22:47:41]

back

[22:47:44]

:)

[22:47:56]

so you want me to connect to it directly?

[22:47:59]

what ip range is it in that it's asking for?

[22:48:06]

yes try connecting directly

[22:48:18]

the router assigns 192.168.15.*

[22:48:19]

take it off the network so it thinks it's the router

[22:48:25]

oh, alright

[22:48:36]

it could be that it's on a subnet you can't get to

[22:48:50]

let me go on my wireless then

[22:48:52]

ok

[22:48:56]

and i'll go get my switch

[22:49:06]

don't have an x-over cable handy :\

[22:49:08]

a ok

[22:49:18]

was wondering why the switch

[22:57:00]

ok

[22:57:08]

k

[22:57:21]

and you have given the computer on that connection a static ip?

[22:58:08]

think i'm right it's netmask of 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255

[22:58:26]

but maybe the first thing might be to see if it'll give you a ip from dhcp

[22:58:32]

..pap2 has built in dhcp?

[22:58:41]

thought it was a client

[22:59:27]

iirc it can act as a router too

[22:59:32]

i might be mistaken

[22:59:35]

though

[22:59:54]

then it would have a wan and lan port wouldn't it?

[23:00:00]

yea, dhcp is timing out

[23:02:30]

assign a static 192.168.1.* ip?

[23:02:34]

yup

[23:02:38]

192.168.1.10 is a good bet

[23:02:42]

but higher than 1

[23:02:52]

netmask of 255.255.255.0

[23:03:01]

gateway 192.168.1.1

[23:03:30]

nothing on 192.168.1.1 :\

*.2.1?

nothing :\

ugh

ok the next thing to try is using tftp

[23:04:22]

do you still ahve a copy of the original firmware?

[23:04:44]

i have a newer firmware from vonage :\

[23:04:49]

that i got from vonage's tftp server

[23:04:56]

ok you have it saved somewhere

[23:05:01]

yeah

[23:07:35]

ok you know how to setup the tftpd for use with the linksys?

[23:08:09]

actually before you do that

[23:08:16]

open a term window

[23:08:20]

yeah

[23:08:27]

start ping 192.168.1.1

[23:08:29]

and reboot the pap

[23:08:33]

and watch the terminal window

[23:08:43]

see if it responds even for 1 ping or so

[23:09:12]

nothing :\

[23:09:28]

hmmm

[23:09:41]

and the patcher didn't complain at all when you did it?

[23:09:49]

nope

[23:12:44]

ok seems like it is a bad upgrade then

[23:13:04]

ugh, stupid dhcp active ip table still shows the pap

[23:13:15]

i'm beginning to run out of legitimate ideas other thna maybe a jtag cable

[23:13:21]

all i've got left are the off the wall ideas

[23:13:29]

yeah.. i've never used jtag

[23:14:31]

i should get one though, but what's a good one that'll work with linux?

[23:14:44]

dunno normally people end up making their own

[23:14:49]

with what?

[23:14:58]

cables connectors and solder

[23:16:52]

i have solder

[23:17:31]

looks like it's made with regular ide cable

[23:17:41]

depends o the connector you need on the device

[23:18:06]

hmm.. definitely not for hardware noobs

[23:18:11]

probably not

[23:18:21]

i do have 1 more idea

[23:18:32]

do you know how to use tftpd?

[23:18:36]

yeah

[23:18:38]

ok

[23:18:44]

put the old firmware in the tftp dir that it's configured to use

[23:18:48]

but it can't even communicate over ethernet, so i dunno if it'll work

[23:19:08]

and reboot

[23:19:12]

and tail the tftpd logs

[23:19:15]

see if it tries to get anything

[23:22:48]

but why would it try to retrieve the firmware for a pap if the firmware is patched from an rtp300?

[23:23:01]

*the current firmware that's running

[23:23:11]

it'll at least say whether it tries to get new fw

[23:23:31]

and if it does what filenames it wants

[23:27:08]

well how about that, my z2 works again

[23:27:09]

on wpa2

[23:27:12]

cool

[23:27:22]

so you trade one device for another

[23:27:25]

heh

[23:27:43]

i think it is going to need jtag though now

[23:27:50]

yeah

[23:27:51]

i'll see what i can find out about the pap end

[23:27:56]

the ethernet light isn't even flickering

[23:28:11]

weird

[23:28:27]

so bad fw upgrade might have been a timing issue

[23:28:39]

it definatly said completed?

[23:28:45]

it said rebooting

[23:29:03]

the upload completed 100%

[23:29:07]

i assume the crc check had passed

[23:29:08]

yup

[23:29:19]

and that the header was right too

[23:29:53]

and the size was the same as the one the person posted on the forum

[23:32:08]

the output firmware sizes

[23:32:09]

so you did all the checks you could do

[23:32:13]

yeah

[23:32:20]

and it said it worked so i'm flummuxed

[23:32:50]

all i cna think of is the lack of factory reset prior and/or it's got a weird ip address now

[23:33:08]

actually could try one more thing

[23:33:12]

?

[23:33:13]

setup a dhcp server on the computer and then boot the pap

[23:33:19]

see if it asks for an ip

[23:33:39]

first thing i tried lol

[23:33:42]

didn't even think there was a problem at the time

[23:33:44]

on the standalone computer

[23:33:47]

?

[23:33:48]

yeah

[23:33:56]

and what ip did it get assigned?

[23:34:00]

nope

[23:34:06]

no requests

[23:34:17]

i don't get why my stupid router keeps showing it as active

[23:34:38]

yup

[23:34:49]

only other thing i can think of is use nmap to scan 192.168.x.x

[23:34:55]

tried that to

[23:34:56]

heh

[23:34:59]

nmap -sP 192.168.0-255.1

anything

?

nope

i'm flummuxed then

Host 192.168.2.1 appears to be up.

[23:37:38]

!!

[23:38:17]

your router or the pap

[23:38:28]

wtf, i still can't ping it

[23:38:42]

ugh

[23:38:45]

ok

[23:38:52]

it found port 21, 22, 23, 80, 2869, 4005

[23:38:56]

what ip addy is your computer you are pingig it from

[23:39:02]

right now it's 192.168.2.100

[23:39:09]

ok so same subnet

[23:39:17]

Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0

[23:39:22]

hmm

[23:39:29]

try telnetting or sshing in to then

[23:39:34]

shoudln't work but who knows

[23:41:57]

hrm, i wonder if that's an internal ip for my router or something? ^_-

[23:42:18]

let me put down my wlan0 interface for a sec

am i still here?

i can whois myself

yup

sorry had to run to the bathroom toot sweet

[23:46:55]

np

[23:47:04]

otherwise there would have been a puddle in the room

[23:47:11]

and i don't have any wellies

[23:47:14]

heh

[23:47:58]

now it doesn't show up at all

[23:48:01]

ok

[23:48:10]

this is weird

[23:50:43]

rkdavis: -- just showed my wife that Catherine Tate -- riot

[23:50:49]

Had you seen her and Tony Blaire?

[23:50:58]

yup

[23:51:08]

he was great

[23:51:11]

drmike:glad she liked it

[23:51:25]

i never got catherine tate until she wa sin the doctor who special the first time

[23:51:29]

then i watched all her shows

[23:51:51]

yay bagpuss is on bittorrent :)

[23:52:21]

it's not piracy if it's the bbc :)

[23:52:42]

my parents have a license and they don't watch tv so i'm just using their part of it

[23:52:44]

:)

[23:53:13]

:D

[23:53:24]

drmike: if you like silly puns and and silly online liners see if you cna find any of the milton jones radio series

[23:53:27]

they are hilarious

[23:53:32]

i got my son addicted to them

[23:53:46]

when he finishes a paper at college i let him listen to them as a reward

[23:53:47]

Never heard of it

[23:54:09]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Jones

[23:54:15]

you ever seen Rod Hull and Emu?

[23:54:17]

yup

[23:54:18]

now it shows 192.168.2.1!

[23:54:25]

used to annoy me as a kid but fun to watch

[23:54:29]

you know knooky bear?

[23:54:32]

it only shows 192.168.2.1 when my local ip is 192.168.1.100!

[23:54:37]

steer: this is weird

[23:54:39]

tell me about it

[23:54:43]

LOL -- Milton is like a Stephen Wright

[23:54:45]

sod knows what's happenigng

[23:54:47]

drmike: yes

[23:54:58]

i use one of his one liners as the name of one of my blogs

[23:56:34]

well ok 3 post son it but it's a blog :) so it ocunts

[23:56:44]

negative on knooky -- what was that?

[23:56:45]

steer: i'll see if i can find out any answers

[23:56:52]

bit like emu but a bear and quite funny sometimes

[23:57:36]

Nookie Bear Nookie Bear's main feature is crossing his eyes when De Courcey pulls a string inside. Another feature is that he has a Crystal Palace Football Club rosette on his chest. When De Courcey was doing the pub circuits long before TV, Nookie Bear was originally named "Bollocks the Bear".

[23:59:03]

http://rafb.net/p/ou15qc16.html ..how can nmap detect it, but i can't access it in anyway?

[23:59:18]

oh! maybe i need to set the default gateway to 192.168.2.1?

[23:59:20]

yes

[23:59:24]

ok, this is going to kick me offline

[23:59:49]

route add default gw 192.168.2.1

[23:59:50]

SIOCADDRT: No such process

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