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<steerpike> |
hi |
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<unrest> |
hmm |
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* |
unrest tries the latest svn OE-build and hopes he'll get X running |
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<rkdavis> |
yay my first zipit arrived although i can't open it until christmas because the wife will kill me if i start digging in my pressie stash but the 2nd i ordered for myself incase i destroy the first is somewhere between arizona and nyc so should be here monday :) |
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<rkdavis> |
and that one i can play with :) |
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<rkdavis> |
is there any recommended make of sd card to use with it? |
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<rkdavis> |
and stupid question. i see that the lcd is in sideways so X needs to be rotated. what about text console on initial boot. is it sideways too or has it been tweaked so it is /correct/ or is it still sideways too? |
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<unrest> |
rkdavis, kingston's good |
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<unrest> |
text-console's fine. x will be rotated, but "xrandr" can solve that |
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<rkdavis> |
unrest: thanks there is a sale on them in a store near me |
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<rkdavis> |
great textconsole is what i need most so i won't need to lear to type sideways then |
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<unrest> |
2gb is the highest card size i heard of being in use |
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<unrest> |
(and i use it, too) |
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<unrest> |
so you might'nt want to buy a bigger one |
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<rkdavis> |
yes i figured that because of FAT16 required for the booting from sd card |
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<unrest> |
oe and z2shell will partition the card |
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<unrest> |
one fat16 (small, only for bootup) and one ext2 for the rest of the data |
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<rkdavis> |
ah ok |
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<unrest> |
did you decide which way you'll go yet` |
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<rkdavis> |
need to setup a devbox though as my main linux box didn't like oe install and the ubuntu box didn't like scratchbox |
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<unrest> |
why not openembedded? |
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<unrest> |
(btw: my "ubuntu" likes scratchbox) |
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<rkdavis> |
my gentoo box got really screwed installing it |
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<unrest> |
OE? |
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<rkdavis> |
my ubuntu install complained about er vsod or some such kernal option |
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<unrest> |
did you use the version from linux.zipitwireless? |
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<rkdavis> |
and refused to run -- some permissions probs |
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<rkdavis> |
nope too the oe install from openzipit |
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<unrest> |
that one should work fine.... |
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<unrest> |
strange.. |
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<unrest> |
did you follow the guide "oe and your distro"? |
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<rkdavis> |
http://openzipit.org/Z2Develop/ followed this |
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<rkdavis> |
for some reason my existing monotone install interfered with it |
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<unrest> |
bugreport to the OE-devs? |
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<rkdavis> |
nope i wasn't that concerned at the time just assumed i'd mucked up somehow |
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<rkdavis> |
and i planned a dev box anyway so i'll do a clean build |
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<unrest> |
=) |
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<rkdavis> |
mainly i want to just have an xmpp client running so finch or mcabber will do so i will just be mucking around with text consoles |
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<rkdavis> |
so i was going to go the scratchbox route |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm really surprised that zipit never put xmpp into either v1 or v2 |
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<unrest> |
why should they? |
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<rkdavis> |
well i am biased as i was involved with it a few years ago |
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<unrest> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
but gtalk and other xmpp stuff is big |
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<rkdavis> |
and you can do xmpp and get aim,y! and msn for free if you set it up right |
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<rkdavis> |
just have a server with transports (ok people don't use them anymore but they do exist) |
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* |
unrest uses jabber + transports |
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<rkdavis> |
so do one protocol and get the functionality of 4 |
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<rkdavis> |
unrest: :) |
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<rkdavis> |
my main need is xmpp though as i have no msn, aim or y! contacts who i like :) i only keep them around as otherwise my roster on pidgin is almost empty |
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<unrest> |
what're you gonna do with your z2? |
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<rkdavis> |
basically i'll muck around with it but mostly a terminal to my main boxes, xmpp if poss and maybe a wifi finder |
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<rkdavis> |
it's a cheap toy for me hack on and see what i can do with it |
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<unrest> |
=) |
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<rkdavis> |
it'll keep me out of trouble and off the streets while the wife is at work and the kid is at college |
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<unrest> |
now i'm curious.. why trouble? |
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<rkdavis> |
i'm a house husband |
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<unrest> |
won't it make trouble then? |
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<rkdavis> |
so for 8 hours a day after dusting, washing up and cooking |
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<rkdavis> |
i need to find something for idle hands |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<unrest> |
as long as it's not your neighbours wife... |
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* |
unrest giggles |
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<rkdavis> |
hehehehe |
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<rkdavis> |
well downstairs neighbour is a widower so no wife there |
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<rkdavis> |
and the other neighbour is the landlady so better not to go there |
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<rkdavis> |
3 doors down is cute though |
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<rkdavis> |
but here husband is bigger than me and i am alergic to being hit |
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<unrest> |
who not..? |
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<unrest> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
unrest: i seem to remember seeing that wifi using z2shell was flakey and that you got it working -- did i remember wrong or do i need to do something to get wep/wpa working in z2shell? |
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<unrest> |
wpa_supplicant |
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<unrest> |
most people will tell you that WEP won't work on the z2 |
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<unrest> |
the best proof that this' a lie stands right next to my notebook.. ;) |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<unrest> |
you need wpa_supplicant for wep, too |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
from oe i assume |
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<unrest> |
afaik it's on z2shell, too |
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<unrest> |
(and both work) |
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<rkdavis> |
although i saw it in z2shell |
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<unrest> |
yeah |
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<rkdavis> |
great -- once i get to muck around with it it looks like it'll do what i want |
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<unrest> |
just didn't know if it was in the standard-package or just in the package steerpike gave me |
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<rkdavis> |
once i get devbox running |
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<rkdavis> |
the config for it is in z2shell |
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<unrest> |
which conf? |
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<rkdavis> |
wpa_supplicant |
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<unrest> |
there is one, but you'll need t |
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<unrest> |
o |
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<unrest> |
adapt it, of course |
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<rkdavis> |
of course |
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<rkdavis> |
my router is wpa2 but several wep and open ap here :) |
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<unrest> |
don't wonder about no link quality shown in iwconfig. it isn't implemented in the driver ;) |
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<rkdavis> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
i waswondering what others use the zipit for |
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<rkdavis> |
a bit peeved actually with zipit :) my wife ordered from target as no shipping |
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* |
unrest is fiddling with it and atm trying to get a full xorg + ratpoison running |
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<rkdavis> |
and the next day they come out with no sub required if you buy from them direct |
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<rkdavis> |
so of course i had to order a 2nd anyway so bought from zipit but would have been nice to have both with no sub required :) |
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<rkdavis> |
i saw about ratpoison |
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<rkdavis> |
mucked about with it a couple of years ago as i'm not a mouse kind of person |
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<rkdavis> |
even on windows i have about 3 consoles open a 4 or 5 powershell windows open at any one time |
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<unrest> |
windows console sucks imho |
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<unrest> |
what do you use it for? |
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<rkdavis> |
mostly programming -- a couple of vim instences and debuggers and then i use it for runnign stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll be trying to cross compile the euphoria interpreter too eventually |
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<unrest> |
what do you code (in) |
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<unrest> |
? |
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<rkdavis> |
burnt out years ago with proper programmign languages so now mostly euphoria or other scripting langs |
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<rkdavis> |
and i help program an emulator for the camputers lynx so i still have to do some c++ but i'm crap at it |
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<rkdavis> |
the other stuff i'm currently working on are some hacks for the vonage v-phone -- managed to get rid of the partition that stopped it working on vista and now working trying to get it back to it's original state but working on vista with it's autorun ability |
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<rkdavis> |
http://theyretrainedforthat.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html |
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<erwin_> |
Hi, does somebody know which Firmware version is used for the Marvell 88W8686 in the zipit2? |
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<steerpike> |
hey T0mW :D |
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<T0mW> |
steerpike: good afternoon |
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<steerpike> |
im on my z2.. over wpa2 XD |
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<T0mW> |
heh, cool! |
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<steerpike> |
so everything works.. wep & wpa2 |
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<T0mW> |
steerpike: sitting in Starbucks stealing the wifi connection from the Fridays next door? |
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<T0mW> |
;) |
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<steerpike> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
steerpike: what are you using to dev the o/s for the Z2? OE? |
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<steerpike> |
buildroot |
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<steerpike> |
oe is broken |
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<steerpike> |
it just decided to stop building one day |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, they changed things, again. :( I've finally got the dev box working again and tinkered a bit with OE the other day with their git repository. |
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<T0mW> |
steerpike: you using the Stable branch from openzipit, or using the Dev branch from the zipitwireless? |
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<steerpike> |
i should set up a box for dns tunneling for when im on the road |
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<steerpike> |
so you can bypass APs that require auth via web browser |
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<steerpike> |
i think im goinng to add my z2 shell hack revisions when im done adding a few more tools |
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<steerpike> |
to the website |
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<T0mW> |
steerpike: which oe died? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
steerpike: how did you get wep working? |
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<steerpike> |
g1powermac_PB: using z2 shell hack |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yes, i know, but how? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
when i was doing the buildroot stuff back a couple of months ago, I could never get wep to work |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
even with the iwconfig tools built and running on the z2, the connection would always fail |
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<steerpike> |
T0mW: the one on zipitwireless trac site.. i think yours stilllll works since you alredy have the meta files oaded |
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<steerpike> |
1 sec |
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<steerpike> |
ill get on my pc |
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g1powermac_PB should prolly work on his z2 one day again |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
btw, I'm the guy who made the zipit2system.sf.net site |
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<T0mW> |
yes, the one on openzipit uses the stable branch. the OE I put on zipitwireless pulls the dev branch. Dev branch is a mess, but I didn't know that until later on. |
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<steerpike> |
back |
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<T0mW> |
I pulled that down from zipitwireless last night and looked at it. |
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<steerpike> |
monotone isn't entirely dead yet, but it has messed up headers or something |
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<T0mW> |
I'm thinking this... Put the package recipes into the zipitwireless svn and freeze them. |
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<T0mW> |
strip out all the recipes that don't pertain to a Z2, like the extra kernels, etc. |
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<T0mW> |
boil it down. Make something like a Pokey dev environ for the Z2. Then, recipes can be added into the svn repository as more functionality is added. |
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<steerpike> |
g1powermac_PB: http://echelon.net.ru/z2_shell_v2a.tar.gz |
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<steerpike> |
i commented out udhcpc from the shell scripted since it slowed down the boot time |
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<steerpike> |
so once you're in, you'll have to run udhcpc -i eth0 manually |
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<steerpike> |
*script |
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<steerpike> |
oops, i think i commented out wpa_supplicant as well by mistake |
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<steerpike> |
g1powermac_PB: ok, updated it.. same link: http://echelon.net.ru/z2_shell_v2a.tar.gz |
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<steerpike> |
from what i understand, the drivers on OE are what prevents WEP from working? |
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<steerpike> |
i will be working on a curses interface for wpa_cli |
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<steerpike> |
something like wavemon |
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<steerpike> |
speaking of which i wrote some patches for wavemon and it got working a while back |
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<steerpike> |
T0mW: this is the bitbake for it if you're interested.. http://opendevnet.org/projects/index.php?dir=z2/wavemon/ |
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<steerpike> |
i have to work on a buildroot makefile for it |
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<T0mW> |
steerpike: shouldn't be too hard to do. Just use another package set of files and chop them up to make the new one. Then add the new package to the list of packages. |
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<T0mW> |
buildroot is pretty straightforward if you know Makefiles |
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<T0mW> |
erwin_: good to talk with you on IRC instead of via email. |
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<T0mW> |
erwin_: BTW, I sold mytoys.com to a German outfit in 2000 for $50K USD |
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<T0mW> |
erwin_: that is why I am now at openhardware.net |
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<steerpike> |
T0mW`gone: wow |
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<T0mW`gone> |
they sold childrens toys and didn't want Toys-R-Us to get the domain. |
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<steerpike> |
put it into investments? |
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<rkdavis> |
ugh having a pig of a time getting installed on a ubuntu setup -- monotone is complaining taht the mtn db is using an old layout and needs to be updated but it won't let me migrate it to the new one -- ugh |
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<steerpike> |
rkdavis: don't use the OE from linux.zipitwireless.com |
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<rkdavis> |
couldn't get the one from openzipit |
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<rkdavis> |
to get as far |
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<steerpike> |
why not? |
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<rkdavis> |
i was trying on a system i won't use as the dev box really but i can't get to the real system yet so was trying to get the install working so i cna replicate it as i tried the one from openzipit working |
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<steerpike> |
T0mW made it very straightforward |
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<rkdavis> |
steer: failed on bitbake and monotone i had them on my gentoo box |
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<rkdavis> |
already and it didn't like them |
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<rkdavis> |
and on ubuntu the makefile is full of errors |
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<steerpike> |
well, i'm doing all my development on buildroot |
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<rkdavis> |
i liked the look of scratchbox but had problems with permissions with that on a clean ubuntu install and my kernel needed an option vsod or some such |
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<rkdavis> |
i just need to get to my real box really so i can sit down and do it slowly |
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<rkdavis> |
and not rushing |
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<steerpike> |
yeah, i didn't want to go through all that hassle anymore |
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<steerpike> |
buildroot worked right away |
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<rkdavis> |
:) |
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<rkdavis> |
i only really want to do text console stuff to start with -- maybe soem emulators later when sdl is working better |
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<steerpike> |
http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=115 |
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<rkdavis> |
but everyone seems to be using oe so i thought i'd try that |
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<rkdavis> |
that's the buildroot stuff |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
thnx |
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<rkdavis> |
i'll have to look at that too maybe i can get that working on cygwin as it'll take me a few days to get to my spare computer and 1 zipit is teasign me as the wife won't let me open it until christmas as it's a present from her to me and the 2nd arrives on monday |
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<rkdavis> |
and i want to start playing right away |
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<rkdavis> |
steer: you got anything interesting running on the zipit? i'm mostly interested in getting finch or mcabber working, euphoria and maybe a wifi finder app running |
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<steerpike> |
rkdavis: i wrote a patch for wavemon, and got wep/wpa2 sorted out |
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<steerpike> |
i just use ssh (dblcient) to connect to my existing boxes to run console IM apps |
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<steerpike> |
irssi + bitlbee ^_^ |
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<rkdavis> |
steer: great -- the patches and instructions up anywhere yet? |
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<steerpike> |
rkdavis: http://opendevnet.org/projects/index.php?dir=z2/wavemon/ |
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<rkdavis> |
never really liked bitlbee, had drunk too much xmpp/jabber kool-aid by the time i discovered it |
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<steerpike> |
heh |
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<steerpike> |
well bitlbee does jabber ass well |
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<rkdavis> |
yup |
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<rkdavis> |
i'd just like to get a /real/ client working :) |
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<steerpike> |
that tarball contains the bitbake file for OE, but you can use the patches on other dev environments |
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<steerpike> |
bbiab |
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<rkdavis> |
Tkabber would be nice but probably not on the lcd and the state of my eyes |
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<rkdavis> |
thnx will grab it in a few -- gotta feed the kid as other wise he'll report me to his mother |
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<steerpike> |
hehe |
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<rkdavis> |
i winder how many people are actually working on messing with the zipit on the linux side of things :) i've never seen one in the wild until the box arrived |
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<rkdavis> |
s/winder/wonder |
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<steerpike> |
yeah, some people are taking breaks from it.. the active hackers are T0mW and unrest |
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<rkdavis> |
mompls wife wants to come in |
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<rkdavis> |
so i have to unlock the door |
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<steerpike> |
^_- |
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<steerpike> |
ok |
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<rkdavis> |
back |
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<steerpike> |
wb |
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<steerpike> |
eh.. 2hrs ago ^_^ |
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<rkdavis> |
heh |
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<rkdavis> |
that's ok i was d/l'ing vmplayer and a ubuntu image |
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<rkdavis> |
and as per normal my wifi sucks at the moment so it takes a while |
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<rkdavis> |
a new neighbour moved in next door and he's using 4 channels and swamping everyones wifi deliberatly |
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<steerpike> |
tried changing channels? |
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<rkdavis> |
yup we change he changes |
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<rkdavis> |
until he moved in we all had a deal in the area |
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<steerpike> |
hrm :\ |
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<rkdavis> |
keep the power down to what you really need and we staggered the channels |
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<rkdavis> |
i would use 1 downstars 6 and next door 11 and so on so noone got interference |
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<steerpike> |
maybe you can get those window cover things |
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<steerpike> |
to block all outside signals |
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<rkdavis> |
or a better antenna and power up :) |
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<rkdavis> |
it was crazy though the whole block worked it out for the good of all |
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<rkdavis> |
and he moves in and just puts an an ap on 1,6,11 and 9 and max power |
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<rkdavis> |
he only has 1 computer too and it's wired |
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<rkdavis> |
the thing he likes to do is use the same ssid's that we use |
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<steerpike> |
lol |
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<rkdavis> |
wife carries a gun for her job and keeps offering to shoot him -- i'm almost ready to let her |
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<steerpike> |
^_^ |
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<rkdavis> |
luckily i know his cable modems password |
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<rkdavis> |
so sometimes i reset it -- takes a while for him to notice so we get some time without him being obnoxous |
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<rkdavis> |
yay zipit is just outside edison nj -- might even arrive tomorrow :) |
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<steerpike> |
:D |
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<rkdavis> |
Dec 12, 2008 4:55 PM |
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<rkdavis> |
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<rkdavis> |
Arrived at FedEx location |
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<rkdavis> |
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<rkdavis> |
KEASBEY, NJ |
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<steerpike> |
wb |
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<rkdavis> |
rehoi |
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<rkdavis> |
ok time to reboot so vmplayer can finish installing |
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