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[00:36:00] <mycroftxxx> Doesn't bitbake work better?
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[13:28:06] <mycroftxxx> egads we're doomed: http://blogs.computerworld.com/call_it_a_sub_subnotebook_new_pc_is_small_as_a_cell_phone
[13:29:00] <mycroftxxx> It's more expensive, uses an older kernel, and aiming for a questionable market - but it's newer.
[13:46:33] <jhaluska> mycroftxxx: It looks cool too
[13:47:32] <jhaluska> Has a web cam too
[13:47:55] <jhaluska> Why did they use 2.4? Isn't that pretty old
[13:48:06] <jhaluska> What processor does the Z2 have?
[13:49:15] <mycroftxxx> Same one as the iKit, actually.
[13:49:28] <mycroftxxx> If these people actually had a website that I could find via google, I would fire off an email asking why they used 2.4
[13:54:20] <jhaluska> mycroftxxx: Contact: patrick.smith@joshuapr.com
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[13:54:41] <jhaluska> Although he is most definitely the PR person
[13:54:56] <jhaluska> The open source community needs a custom nano notebook standard for applications
[13:58:12] <mycroftxxx> Just out of curiosity, are you using OE or scratchbox?
[13:58:28] <jhaluska> OE
[13:59:26] <mycroftxxx> I am trying to understand what other people are doing with their zipits. Do you use yours for anything specific yet?
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[14:14:39] <jhaluska> mycroftxxx: Paper weight?
[14:16:47] <mycroftxxx> Ouch.
[14:16:54] <jhaluska> I haven't had much time to work on hacking it.
[14:16:57] <mycroftxxx> I managed to get links running under xterm with my roomie's help.
[14:17:01] <jhaluska> I need to get wifi working and some irc and other things working.
[14:17:02] <mycroftxxx> So, there's some web-browsing to be had.
[14:17:05] <jhaluska> cool
[14:17:11] <mycroftxxx> wifi isn't working for you? Secured network?
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[14:25:37] <jhaluska> yeah
[14:25:45] <jhaluska> Once I actually quit being lazy and reinstall linux on my laptop I'll bring it home and mess with it.
[14:28:10] <mycroftxxx> I totally understand. Were it not for my roommate, I wouldn't have gotten anywhere with this project.
[14:28:20] <mycroftxxx> And, of course, now _he_ has an interesting project that will end up making him money.
[14:28:40] <jhaluska> Whats that?
[14:28:48] <jhaluska> Is it a device that allows you to punch people in the face over the internet?
[14:34:47] <mycroftxxx> Ha, no. It's some sort of web-glue to tie a macintosh-based(!) point of sale software to a webstore.
[14:35:54] <mycroftxxx> There's apparently exactly one piece of OSX-based POS software out there, for stores where running your cash register under anything not from cupertino is somehow shameful.
[14:35:59] <jhaluska> oh heh
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[14:49:58] <mycroftxxx> So far the coolest thing we've managed to get the z2 to do is play .flv's downloaded from youtube under mplayer
[14:55:40] <jhaluska> whoa
[14:55:43] <jhaluska> That is cool
[14:56:46] <mycroftxxx> My room-mate, he _knows_ things.
[14:57:16] <mycroftxxx> He did it to verify that the processor was strong enough - and because the z2 is an exact resolution match with your average youtube vid.
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[14:58:49] <jhaluska> You should buy your room mate a Z2 so he'll hack it for us
[14:59:08] <mycroftxxx> He's happy with mine for now. He's not nearly so much of a mobile computing person
[15:06:04] <jhaluska> Can you surf youtube on it?
[15:08:20] <mycroftxxx> Not yet, probably not ever.
[15:08:37] <jhaluska> Why not ever?
[15:16:04] <mycroftxxx> Getting a browser that runs one of the existing open source flash interpreters well enough to have it in the browser seems unlikely at this point.
[15:28:16] <jhaluska> Just tell your room mate it is impossible, and he'll try to prove you wrong.
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[16:06:39] <echelon> hey
[16:06:58] <echelon> wanna get youtube vids to play on the zipit, eh?
[16:07:07] <echelon> your first problem is the audio :P
[16:07:24] <echelon> and yes, the zipit should be powerful enough to run flash
[16:07:35] <echelon> it would have to be a version for ARM of course
[16:07:39] <echelon> or you could try gnu flash
[16:08:00] <echelon> i'm trying to build scratchbox now
[16:15:35] <mycroftxxx> I just wonder why the audio driver in the kernel won't work for sound.
[16:15:51] <echelon> because there is no driver
[16:16:52] <mycroftxxx> *headtilt*
[16:17:07] <mycroftxxx> Now I really wish I could reach my roommate at work - he said he found something about there being a driver in the kernel already.
[16:17:23] <echelon> it's non-functioning
[16:17:28] <echelon> http://linux.zipitwireless.com/projects/z2kernel/wiki/WikiStart#AudioRegisterSetup
[16:19:46] <mycroftxxx> I've wondered about that.
[16:26:57] <jhaluska> How does the ZipIt Inc have it working?
[16:27:50] <echelon> with their own driver?
[16:28:08] <echelon> when you use openembedded i think you're using a separate driver from the kernel you build yourself
[16:28:21] <echelon> so i think there might be better hope if you use the z2 shell hack
[16:28:45] <c0deman> kernel driver is just the ARM sound code you still need need to init the codec thru I2C
[16:34:31] <mycroftxxx> Is that done as part of init.rc or some other script run before you want sound?
[16:34:42] <c0deman> probally in their app
[16:35:44] <c0deman> if you look at the sample code it really just set the audio data format and unmutes the audio ..
[16:37:12] <echelon> i find that the wireless driver used for the z2 shell hack is a lot more reliable than the OE one
[16:37:29] <echelon> the one that comes with the z2
[16:38:45] <echelon> is this the same as xserver-kdrive? http://www.superant.com/smalllinux/tinyX01.html
[16:49:55] <mycroftxxx> I think it's an ancestor to kdrive - but no, it's not the same.
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[17:38:02] <echelon> dropbear doesn't have sftp?
[17:46:44] <echelon> nevermind, forgot about scp
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[18:09:01] <echelon> who built the sdl example?
[18:09:21] <echelon> because i'm trying to run it, and it rotates my screen 90 degrees
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[18:39:31] <echelon> nevermind, i got it to work :D
[18:39:37] <echelon> forgot to export the sdl_nomouse variable
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[22:25:55] <echelon> allo
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