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<echelon> |
T0mW: should we use OE's stable branch from openzipit, or the dev branch from linux.zipitiwireless? |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: definately use the stable branch, the dev branch has very sharp edges (bleeding edge) and breaks often. |
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<echelon> |
T0mW: i haven't been able to gnu classpath :( |
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<echelon> |
i need it to port j2me/midp |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Is anyone playing around with the GPE-minimal image right now? I am a linux newb who is working with a much more experienced friend. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
On our OE-base-install card, we eventually got Xterm running, and from there played around with a few things, including managing to get a .FLV downloaded from youtube to play (sans sound) |
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<echelon> |
mycroftxxx: you got audio to work?? |
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<echelon> |
oh |
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<echelon> |
without sound :P |
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<echelon> |
there's no audio driver available yet |
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<echelon> |
if you can write your own the register info is available on linux.zipitwireless.com |
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<mycroftxxx> |
My roommate is considering it. I'm take it there are no driver-writers in the community right now? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
And we can't get anything like a driver from the manufacturer or from Aeronix? |
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<echelon> |
i'm sure there are, it's just been really slow lately |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Oh, I have a dumb question - is there any way to get a good keymap diagram for the shell? |
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<echelon> |
i don't know a bunch of them myself |
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<echelon> |
i can do ctrl and stuff |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Cntrl is the key above ALT, right? (the "... [x]" one) |
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<echelon> |
http://linux.zipitwireless.com/wiki/Z2Shell#KeyboardMap |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<echelon> |
so the both of you have a z2? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Nope. We're just using mine until we have a system that meets our goals. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I'm aiming for something like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/Wikipedia-in-your-pocket/ |
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<echelon> |
right now i'm just working on porting j2me/midp so you can run java applets on it.. the ones you can run on your phone |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Though, I'm hoping to get media playing and the ability to grab and play some video from the web as well. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
J2me? Kickass! |
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<echelon> |
i don't who's working on audio.. i think it was me ^_- |
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<mycroftxxx> |
heh. |
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<echelon> |
*don't know |
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<mycroftxxx> |
My rommmate think he's about 12 man-hours out from having something. I know he's done some driver work before, so he may in-fact know what he's getting into. |
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<echelon> |
someone told me you could run opera mini on it |
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<echelon> |
but they weren't using a z2, just based on OE |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Opera Mini isn't bad as a browser, and should be really fast - but fennec/minimo should also work. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I cannot wait until the day I can walk outside with a graphical browser on my z2. I have done some browsing with links, that took me back to 1993. |
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<echelon> |
heh |
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<echelon> |
hopefully by that time 802.11b/g doesn't become obsolete |
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<mycroftxxx> |
It won't be. |
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<echelon> |
^_^ |
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<echelon> |
would be nice if the card could do monitor mode as well |
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<mycroftxxx> |
How many million iphones and G1's will there be in a year? |
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<echelon> |
(shrugs).. i'm not in the apple crowd |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Oh, that reminds me. Possibly stupid question, but has anyone gotten a python interpreter running on their Z2? I had an amusing hack idea for the Defcon Wall of Sheep. |
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<echelon> |
did you try to build python? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I haven't yet. |
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<echelon> |
it should work |
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<mycroftxxx> |
might do when I get home. |
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<echelon> |
you have the dev or stable branch? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I believe we have stable |
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<echelon> |
from openzipit? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Yes. |
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<echelon> |
kk |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I really don't know that much - as I said, I am a severe linux newb. I considered it a major victory when I figured out how to get matchbox built and installed on the Z2. My latest victory was following directions and google to get the Minimal-GPE build on a second card without much help. |
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<echelon> |
heh |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Acutally, one thing I have been thinking about that one or more of the real hacker-types could do and add to the wiki would be figuring out how to detect the magnetic switch and activating the keyboard LEDs. |
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<echelon> |
i'm guessing you don't have a working mouse either? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Nope. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Does anyone have a working keymouse yet? |
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<echelon> |
yeah, kdrive doesn't have mousekey support |
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<echelon> |
someone was close to getting it to work |
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<mycroftxxx> |
is kdrive used in GPE? |
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<echelon> |
yeah, didn't you bitbake xserver-kdrive? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Quite a while back. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
The roommate had asked me to mess with getting the GPE image up for playing with because he thought it might be easier to get mousekeys working. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I will have to let him know. |
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<echelon> |
no, GPE is just a window manager, the X server is the one that handles mouse events |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Yay for not understanding the underlying structure. |
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mycroftxxx googles Kdrive |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Ok, so Kdrive is a small/embedded X-server. Are there any other pieces of software we could replace it with? |
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<echelon> |
yeah, xorg |
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<echelon> |
but it'll use up a lot more resources |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Meh. Someone has to have figured this out before... |
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<mycroftxxx> |
What about xrmouse? |
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<mycroftxxx> |
On, nevermind. it's just a program for remapping mouse-buttons. |
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* |
mycroftxxx headdesks |
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<echelon> |
someone sent me a link to a softmouse for kdrive here, i'll have to look it up in the logs |
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<echelon> |
well, it was just a document |
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<mycroftxxx> |
I think I found it - http://karosium.com/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=softmouse |
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<mycroftxxx> |
That was about getting ViewML on the Z1, though - and there's not much about softmouse-ery except that there's a need for some. |
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<mycroftxxx> |
You know, I bet we could get something else running, like joymouse or the like - as kludgy as it is, is there a good bit of code for turning keyboard events into joystick events? |
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<switchcat> |
is there any way to get it to tell you the (i assume ascii) code it receives when you press the button? |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<mycroftxxx> |
Heading out. It was good talking to you guys. I'll try to be back later after talking to my roomie |
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<echelon> |
switchcat: xev |
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<switchcat> |
hmm I was assuming that the mouse button puts out an "event" |
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<switchcat> |
whether or not in a graphical interface |
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<echelon> |
it doesn't? |
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<switchcat> |
are you asking or telling? |
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<echelon> |
xev didn't work? |
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<switchcat> |
uhm, I wouldnt know |
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<switchcat> |
I am not doing development work |
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<echelon> |
you just need to enter xev |
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<switchcat> |
I was just saying, if you know what code the button is putting out, you can figure out how to feed that data into a program to interpret it |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<dtpoirot> |
T0mW? |
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<dtpoirot> |
echelon? |
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<echelon> |
allo |
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<dtpoirot> |
I am back to messing with the X server... |
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<dtpoirot> |
I can build 'base-image' and add in the wireless tools... |
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<dtpoirot> |
If I try the same bits with the X server, I can't connect with SSH... |
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<echelon> |
if you run the X server you can't connect to the z2? |
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<dtpoirot> |
...anyone using SSH to start an X client on the screen? |
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<dtpoirot> |
nope... no TELNET, no SSH, no SCP, nothing... |
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<dtpoirot> |
PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 |
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<echelon> |
did you set the DISPLAY? |
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<dtpoirot> |
I want to build an X app for the z2, displaying on the z2 but started from SSH |
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<dtpoirot> |
export DISPLAY=0.0 should work locally... |
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<echelon> |
you mean you want to see the graphics on X from ssh? |
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<dtpoirot> |
nope... I want to use the development host to build an app. I want to use SCP to send the app to the z2. I want the app to write to the local screen on the z2... |
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<dtpoirot> |
...I REALLY don't want to use the local keyboard to try and start the app. |
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<echelon> |
i've been able to do it before |
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<echelon> |
just make sure the DISPLAY is set to 0.0 before launching |
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<dtpoirot> |
hum... I like the little script on the linux.zipitwireless.com OE page... |
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<dtpoirot> |
this looks interesting: <http://platonic.techfiz.info/2008/10/13/pty-allocation-request-failed-on-channel-0/#more-1057> |
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<dtpoirot> |
do you build a full-up image from a .bb file? |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<dtpoirot> |
I have just been adding bits to the 'base-image.bb' file. |
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<dtpoirot> |
the really agrivating bit is that the TI Beagleboard uses OE and I don't have any trouble with it... |
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<echelon> |
what did you add to them? |
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<switchcat> |
dtpoirot - you mean you want to use the zipit as an xterminal? |
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<dtpoirot> |
yup... |
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<dtpoirot> |
I added 'wireless-tools', 'wpa-supplicant' and 'task-xterminal' to 'base-image.bb' to get the image that I am working on... |
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<switchcat> |
does this mean people got the wireless working fine on OE? |
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<switchcat> |
or are people using the zipit shell hack? |
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<echelon> |
your problem is that you use wpa |
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<dtpoirot> |
I never had a problem with wireless... It comes up, uses DHCP to ask for an address and is off and running... |
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<dtpoirot> |
I never did anything with wpa but I can take it out of the .bb file... |
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<switchcat> |
hmmm uses DHCP.. speaking of which I need to configure my shellhack for my network.. I wish it would give you this option at startup, cause it hangs otherwise |
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<echelon> |
switchcat: i thought you use wpa? |
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<switchcat> |
I dont currently believe so.. my network is open I think |
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<switchcat> |
but my real point is.. is that you need more options if you want to keep different things on your memory card... |
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<switchcat> |
and if I go somewhere, I want to be able to log onto their network and use the shell no matter where I am |
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<echelon> |
what? |
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<echelon> |
all you have to do is iwlist eth0 scan, then iwconfig essid <ssid name>, then udhcpc -i eth0 |
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<switchcat> |
yeah I will have to do that once I remember where I put my zipit |
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<echelon> |
lol |
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<switchcat> |
hey at least it's harder to lose than my microSD card or USB microSD card adapter |
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<echelon> |
:) |
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<switchcat> |
you think the microsd cards are small, but the usb microsd card adapter is about half the size of my pinky |
