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<T0mW> |
Foxx: good morning |
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<jhaluska> |
Haven't seen you in a while. |
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<Foxx> |
ey tom, lon gtim eno see |
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<Foxx> |
sorry for typos, eating breakfast :} |
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<T0mW> |
jhaluska: been moving, customer server crashed last week, etc., etc. |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: interesting idea, make the z2 a digi-peater |
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<Foxx> |
is it plausable? |
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<Foxx> |
im not sure if i would go as far as to make it a digi-peater, at least a KISS mode TNC terminal though.... |
| [09:58:17] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: I don't see why it wouldn't work. All you would need is to get the serial port out the back to run a TNC, or some I/O lines to run a BayCom modem. |
| [09:58:39] |
<Foxx> |
i have the 5 wire serail installed |
| [09:59:23] |
<Foxx> |
you need it for OpenZipit either way, im just making use of the port that was installed either way |
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<T0mW> |
ok, then all you need is the TNC. IIRC, the AX.25 stuff is supported in the linux kernel: Rose and other routing protocols are in there |
| [09:59:23] |
<Foxx> |
great, ill ceck it out then |
| [09:59:37] |
<T0mW> |
the kernel should only need the modules compiled for that, then insmod. Provided that those drivers can be used as modules. |
| [09:59:52] |
<Foxx> |
i will order a TNC-x soon, build it, and get it working under windows, then linux, then see how to manage getting the Z1 going |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
who is selling TNCs now? |
| [10:00:35] |
<Foxx> |
http://www.tnc-x.com/ |
| [10:00:50] |
<Foxx> |
PIC MCU based KISS mode TNC (kit) |
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<Foxx> |
for the size, power requrements, and its ability, thats not a bad deal |
| [10:02:31] |
<T0mW> |
cool |
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<Foxx> |
i never played wirth packet before, i think this is a good way to start |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: at one time, I had reverse engineered one of the low-end Kantronics models and was building them cheap. |
| [10:03:28] |
<Foxx> |
i have an MFJ 1270 BBS here |
| [10:03:43] |
<Foxx> |
but thats a wee bit too big to be 'handheld' |
| [10:03:54] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: don't expect too much in performance, 1200/9600bps is still pretty slow. then there are response times across the network. But, it is an interesting thing to do, especially if you are into DX, then you can log into one of the DX spotter clusters. |
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<Foxx> |
i wasnt really expecting anything very sink blistering awesome, i just want to play with it a bit |
| [10:05:17] |
<Foxx> |
ive got most of the hardware, i have the interest, now to put it into motion |
| [10:05:46] |
<T0mW> |
I'd like to try PK32 on HF |
| [10:06:39] |
<Foxx> |
my landlord wont let me up an antenna up, im even having a ahrd time on 2M right now |
| [10:08:17] |
<Foxx> |
it be cool to try out PSK and other text-mode operations, if you look at K7AGE on youtube, he did a series of really good PSK how-t videos |
| [10:08:53] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: well, I'm sure that you can load something up. As a gag, I loaded up some metal bedsprings on 10 meters one night, it did pretty well! |
| [10:09:16] |
<Foxx> |
ham radio, much like all hacking, you make due with what you can get your hands on |
| [10:09:42] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: my friend Darryl, N3AOI, is big into PSK. He keeps trying to interest me into it. Well, now that I have a half-acre of my own, time to think about antennas. But, it is not yet cold enough to put up an HF antenna |
| [10:10:28] |
<Foxx> |
PSK seems reallt interesting to me |
| [10:10:34] |
<T0mW> |
I'll wait until the leaves all drop before I start planning it out |
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<Foxx> |
packet mode of and kind via radio |
| [10:11:01] |
<Foxx> |
any* |
| [10:11:28] |
<T0mW> |
I have some small oaks on my property and the neighbor up the street owns the 1.5 acre lot next to mine. He is also a Ham |
| [10:11:47] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: can you say "Rhombic" ? heh |
| [10:12:06] |
<Foxx> |
once i get my laptop repaired, I will need to drill you with some OpenZipit Z1 questions |
| [10:12:16] |
<Foxx> |
im having an issue with the current buildroot |
| [10:12:54] |
<Foxx> |
some of the URLs for the repositories ahve changed, and I dont know where in the scripting its located to change them |
| [10:13:01] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: yes, I am not in any position to do the OE right now. I have only one computer and my laptop running right now. |
| [10:13:29] |
<Foxx> |
same here |
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<Foxx> |
im down to a half working single machine right now |
| [10:13:56] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: I may have some of the sources tarballs here, I keep them in a seperate dir that I share between OE projects. |
| [10:14:04] |
<Foxx> |
i dont know if i want to repair, or buy a new system |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: my Q6600 system is toast, not sure what happened but it keeps screwing up the eSata raid array. |
| [10:14:35] |
<Foxx> |
well, it seems ive gotten a few people interested in wthe Z1, however they are having the same issues witht he online repos' as I am |
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<Foxx> |
i was thinking if anything if the build can be rescripted to use local downloads, or I could host backups |
| [10:14:57] |
<Foxx> |
but a ISO or .gz archive of all the source and such that someone needs so they can d/l everything and keep it local |
| [10:15:02] |
<Foxx> |
id be willing to mail out CDs and host the file |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: I know I made the same mistake with the Z1 OE as I started to do with the Z2. I used the dev branch instead of stable. Having said that, the Z1 stuff should come over to the Z2 OE build without too much problem. |
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<Foxx> |
as long as CDs are in the USA |
| [10:16:13] |
<Foxx> |
i havent done much Zipit work for either units since my dev laptop is down for the moment |
| [10:16:42] |
<T0mW> |
Foxx: As far as I can see, I should put the essential package sources up on OpenZipit.org so that when people do the basic build they can fetch the sources from me if they cannot be found elsewhere. |
| [10:17:12] |
<Foxx> |
well, this issue im having is scripted in |
| [10:17:27] |
<Foxx> |
its trying to fetch files from URLs that chave changed |
| [10:17:37] |
<T0mW> |
Well, I have to get ready for the chimney sweep to show up at 11AM. I have a pile of hardwood flooring to move that is in front of the fireplace. |
| [10:17:53] |
<Foxx> |
i dont know enough to change it myself |
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<Foxx> |
yah, i gotta run as well, i was just eating breakfast and doing e-mail before i got my day started |
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<Foxx> |
good to hear all is well |
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<Foxx> |
i need to run, so ill be AFK |
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<Foxx> |
oh, Codeman was here, BTW |
| [10:19:33] |
<T0mW> |
I have about 5 Z1s here that have been modified... |
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<Foxx> |
i only have 2 |
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<T0mW> |
just have to remember what box I put them into... |
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* |
T0mW is living in a sea of boxes |
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<Foxx> |
one is modded, the other will remain stock until im done breaking the hacked one |
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<echelon> |
hey T0mW`gone |
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<echelon> |
why don't you use dns service.. editdns, zoneedit, xname? |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: ? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW, openzipit.org was down last week. seemed to be a dns prob |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: LOL, nope some AS^H^H idiot started the server after a power shutdown, then proceeded to punch the reset button "because it was stuck booting up". :-? I think it was running an fsck at the time... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
they badly borked the raid5 arrays. |
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<T0mW> |
they trash /usr, /home and /var |
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<echelon> |
T0mW: but it's better if you run the nameserver on a remote server |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah, I've had that same person here screaming, "oh god, Oh God, OH GOD" when he did something like that |
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<echelon> |
not on the same machine you run your website on |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: yes, we will be doing that, "real soon now" (tm) |
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<echelon> |
;P |
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<echelon> |
your first dns doesn't even work, just remove that |
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<T0mW> |
no, we will, just that I have little time as I moved into my home last week |
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<echelon> |
NS0.CAPTAINROCK.COM |
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<T0mW> |
godaddy will balk at that, they want two |
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<echelon> |
editdns.net |
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<T0mW> |
ns0.captainrock.com stopped giving secondary a while ago |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: right now, I have to finish putting a floor in the kitchen so I can put cabinets back in and install a sink. |
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<T0mW> |
using the bathroom sink sux |
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<echelon> |
kk :) |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
this place was in the process of foreclosure and needed a renovation, badly |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: the new hardwood flooring looks really nice! |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: http://www.tomsnewhome.info |
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<Foxx> |
photos are 404 |
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<T0mW> |
really?! |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<Foxx> |
congradultions on the move, BTW |
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<Foxx> |
wish i could share the pains of a home |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: seem to work okay from here |
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<Foxx> |
renting sucks |
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<Foxx> |
when i click gallery, its 404 |
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<T0mW> |
yes, that is a dead link, sorry |
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* |
T0mW removes that from menu |
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<Foxx> |
heh |
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<echelon> |
see, the load time is slow because of the bad dns server, just put it last |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: ok |
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<echelon> |
^_^ |
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<echelon> |
you don't realize it because it's cached on your end |
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<echelon> |
T0mW: btw, i got my brand new z2 for $8 ;) |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: :D |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: getting the down payment is the hard part. I got 20% together to put down. All totaled, I think that I have about spent about $36K so far. That is down payment, closing costs, plus costs of renovating (so far). |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: this place was $110K |
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<T0mW> |
cost me about $26K to purchase it. |
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<jhaluska> |
You bought a $110k house for $36k? |
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<T0mW> |
jhaluska: you wish |
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<jhaluska> |
With the way the house market is going, I won't have to wait long. |
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<T0mW> |
jhaluska: I think the bank would want me to pay them the $88K I borrowed |
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* |
T0mW is sleepy |
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<Foxx> |
T0mW, do you know anything about LPC programmers? |
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<Foxx> |
a simple LPC Chip programmer...? |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: only thing that I have used has been jtag and the one that phillips (nxp) has that programs via serial port. |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: don't know of anything else, they are probably out there... |
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<Foxx> |
no worries T0mW, i have another project on the side here that uses LPC for the firmware, i figured you might have had some insight into better tools than what i use now |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: BDI-3000? |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<Foxx> |
?? |
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<T0mW> |
http://www.abatron.ch/products/bdi-family/bdi3000.html |
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<Foxx> |
your crrent JTAG interface? |
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<T0mW> |
I use the BDI2000 |
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<T0mW> |
I don't use a wiggler for jtag |
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<Foxx> |
I have w Willem EEPROM/FLASHer v5.0, PromJet EEPROM/Flash Emulator, and some other fun toys |
| [14:31:47] |
<T0mW> |
I did try a usb wiggler, it does work, but it is sloooooooooooooooooow |
| [14:31:53] |
<Foxx> |
although im strict hobbiest |
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<Foxx> |
i dont do any of this for a living |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, ok, I wanted a tool for pro use |
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<Foxx> |
yah, you do a lot of embedded worh, right? |
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<Foxx> |
work* |
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<T0mW> |
wigglers are good for hobby use. yes, I do embedded work |
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<Foxx> |
im just a serious hobbiest |
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<Foxx> |
if i got paid for it, id probably invest more into it |
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<T0mW> |
just did some old z80 code for one customer (bleah), but I do know z80 asm |
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<Foxx> |
then again, a $1,200 EEPROM/FLASH/SPI emulator isnt really pocket change |
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<T0mW> |
big old Huntsville MicroSystem box, cost about $12K in the day |
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<T0mW> |
that was the debugger, the Huntsville |
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<Foxx> |
im just a genuine hacker |
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<T0mW> |
that was in 1995 dollars |
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<Foxx> |
i see a debug port, i wonder what it will tell me |
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<jhaluska> |
T0mW: So that's probably $200k in Today's dollars. |
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<Foxx> |
i got a pair of Soyo Bluetooth Heaphones off Woot for $20 |
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<T0mW> |
I was going to venture maybe $30K |
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<Foxx> |
i grabbed the FCC ID, got internal pics, found out they use this really awesome CSR Bluecore MCU BT chipset and radio |
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<T0mW> |
ARM rocks! |
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<Foxx> |
now ive added bluetooth crap to my pile of active projects |
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<Foxx> |
ive got two BT sticks coming in that use CSR Bluecore chpsets |
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<Foxx> |
ill be doing some experimenting on some firmware hacks |
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<Foxx> |
T0mW, want to laugh? |
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<T0mW> |
? |
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<Foxx> |
take a look: http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos#5249316926832379810 |
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<Foxx> |
if you go to the gallery you can get pics of my Z1 MMC/serial mods |
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<Foxx> |
and other junk ive been working on ;} |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, right |
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<T0mW> |
think you need that much gain? +100dBi ? |
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<Foxx> |
you think thats bad?? |
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<T0mW> |
yes |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<Foxx> |
the USB sticks i have coming in today are class 1 |
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<Foxx> |
10mW |
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<T0mW> |
lol |
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<Foxx> |
comared to my curent 2mW |
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<T0mW> |
what freq is that? |
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<Foxx> |
compared* |
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<Foxx> |
2.4Ghz |
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<Foxx> |
same as wifi, just less bandwith and more channels |
| [14:41:11] |
<Foxx> |
wifi = 11 in the USA 14 in UK |
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<T0mW> |
not too shabby @ 2.4GHz |
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<Foxx> |
the BT stick can barely get across my livingroom with allt he RFI |
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<Foxx> |
the waveguide can cut through my house |
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<Foxx> |
the dish can cut through the house... across the street |
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<Foxx> |
you really want to level my insanity??! |
| [14:42:27] |
<T0mW> |
no |
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<Foxx> |
lol |
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<Foxx> |
i got my hands on some 600mW PCI wifi cards |
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<Foxx> |
that 3 foot dish with my 8dB biquad gives me about 30dBi gain |
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<Foxx> |
ERP on this is close to 465W |
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<T0mW> |
that is some respectable power, keep your hands away from it |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<Foxx> |
i want to go out to an old demilitarized air field over here and test it out |
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<T0mW> |
way back when, a Ham showed me an RF burn he got from a 50W 1296 xmitter. It burn a hole in his thumbnail. |
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<Foxx> |
i was thinking about making an ISM S-Ban AO-51 helical |
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<T0mW> |
s/burn/burned/ |
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<Foxx> |
jeeebs |
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<Foxx> |
powe output means nothing unless |
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<T0mW> |
he was tuning the plate circuit when it arc'ed |
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<Foxx> |
its all about frequency and antenna design |
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<Foxx> |
ooooof |
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<Foxx> |
sucks to be him! |
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<Foxx> |
my friend blew the finals out on his mobile by transmitting on full TX with the wrong antenna |
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<Foxx> |
SWR was way too high, as soon he hit PTT the finals sizzled |
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<T0mW> |
poor design |
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<T0mW> |
swr cutback is simple to do |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<Foxx> |
he was one of the typs of hams where the more money you spent on something, the more important you were |
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<Foxx> |
he didnt care to know how things worked, just how much they cost |
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<T0mW> |
I think that I will be looking for a 500W amp for the mobile. 100W just doesn't cut it with that antenna setup that I have now. |
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<Foxx> |
hey, do you know about the BEARS repeater network? |
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<Foxx> |
i was able to hop on from a NJ node and it went out into PA |
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<T0mW> |
too many "can anyone copy that mobile station" on the nets |
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<Foxx> |
it was the northwest corner though |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: yes, that is one of the wide are 440 systems. |
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<T0mW> |
s/are/area/ |
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<T0mW> |
another is the UoP network, also on 440. |
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<T0mW> |
Univ of Penn |
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<Foxx> |
once i get line of sight with my setup, if you like we can hop on and chat sometime |
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<T0mW> |
Jeff DePolo, WN3A, build the UoP system. |
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<T0mW> |
Foxx: once I get some radios setup here. there is a TV antenna + working rotor on the roof here. I need to scare up a beam and some feedline. |
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<T0mW> |
too much else to do right now. |
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<T0mW> |
naptime for me now anyway |
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<T0mW> |
cul |
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<Foxx> |
heh, later |
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<T0mW`gone> |
another nice thing about working from home |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<eibmoz_> |
Hi all |
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<Foxx> |
hey |
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<eibmoz_> |
I see on the hardware section of linux.zipitwireless that the rear connector has pins for USB |
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<Foxx> |
indeed |
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<eibmoz_> |
would that mean that maybe with an adapter of some sort that I could connect a USB device directly to the Z2? :3 |
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<Foxx> |
the main CPU does support USB Host and USB OTG, but im pretty sure the rear sync connection only does USB Client |
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<Foxx> |
soooo, i dont think so |
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<eibmoz_> |
I also saw a hardware mod to add a serial port |
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<eibmoz_> |
any idea if I using a serial-usb adapter to attach it to my laptop would work, since it lacks a serial port? |
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<Foxx> |
yes, ttl level serial port |
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<Foxx> |
and jtag port |
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<eibmoz_> |
cool :) |
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<Foxx> |
i wish they had brought the serial to the sync connector |
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<eibmoz_> |
what's the max supported size for the miniSD card slot? |
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<eibmoz_> |
I read that a 2GB card worked |
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<Foxx> |
i have a 2GB, so i can confirm 2GB works |
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<Foxx> |
i know it cant do SDHC |
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<Foxx> |
i know there are some non SDHC 4GB cards, but i dont hear very good things about them |
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<Foxx> |
especially under linux |
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<eibmoz_> |
also, if the charge time starts to dwindle, are there battery replacements available anywhere? |
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<Foxx> |
it looks like a standard flat li-polly cell |
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<Foxx> |
most decent hibbiest sites will sell a compatable cell, its just a matter of hooking up the power connector and maybe some heat shrink |
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<eibmoz_> |
probably a newbie question, but are C and C++ the only languages you can program a Z2 with? |
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<eibmoz_> |
or is could you use an interpreted language (Python?) to program directly onto the Z2 without needing to compile it first on the PC? |
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<eibmoz_> |
or could you* |
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<Foxx> |
i dont think it suports python yet |
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<Foxx> |
the hacks and mods are very minimal right now |
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<Foxx> |
most of it is proof-of-concept and thats about it, but that alone is still very flexable |
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<Foxx> |
there are some limitations with the wifi driver, and a lot is still left to be known on what can and cant be done |
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<switchcat> |
i just got back from out of state and realized I left my charger behind, I think. :( |
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<eibmoz_> |
is there a compiler that would work directly on the Z2? |
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<eibmoz_> |
Ouch, switchcat :[ |
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<Foxx> |
eibmoz, i honestly dont know |
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<Foxx> |
im still a Z2 noob myself |
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<Foxx> |
cross compiling is a whole new game for me |
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<eibmoz_> |
I'm pretty much a newb to Linux in general |
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<Foxx> |
ive played with it for a long while, mainly putting things toegther, not much custom compiling |
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<Foxx> |
ive been really into embedded linux lately |
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<echelon> |
wow, channel's finally alive |
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<echelon> |
first time i've seen the last conversation go off the line buffer |
