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<echelon> |
hey Foxx |
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<jhaluska> |
hey echelon |
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<Foxx> |
hey |
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<Foxx> |
hows it going? |
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<jhaluska> |
It's going...poorly |
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<Foxx> |
same here |
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<Foxx> |
my day has been pretty shit so far |
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<echelon> |
hey jhaluska |
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<jhaluska> |
I wish my Z2 was hacked better. |
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<echelon> |
how so? |
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<jhaluska> |
I got a bigger hard disk for my laptop, so I should have enough space to build stuff on it once I install it. |
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<jhaluska> |
Like it's hacked, but the wireless doesn't work |
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<jhaluska> |
I'm using somebody else's image. |
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<echelon> |
works for me |
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<echelon> |
i don't get why openembedded is preferred over buildroot |
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<echelon> |
because it pre-ported apps? |
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<echelon> |
*it has |
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<jhaluska> |
I'm don't even know the differences |
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<jhaluska> |
I just want to be able to do a couple things on it. |
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<Foxx> |
has any progress with the Z2 been made? |
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<jhaluska> |
All it's been doing is sitting on my desk at work. |
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<echelon> |
you don't need that much space on your disk if you decide to use buildroot |
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<echelon> |
Foxx: what do you mean by progress? lol |
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<jhaluska> |
I think what is needed is a image that people can just download to a card. |
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<jhaluska> |
That will get more people interested in it. |
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<Foxx> |
anything new worth noting? |
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<echelon> |
jhaluska: i think that's what they're still working out |
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<echelon> |
nope |
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<Foxx> |
GUI, working wifi, new svn that WORKS |
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<echelon> |
i'm just porting wavemon over to it |
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<Foxx> |
id like that |
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<echelon> |
GPSFan: already did it, but he won't give the patches :P |
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<Foxx> |
:{ |
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<echelon> |
i already have wavemon working, just missing link quality |
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<Foxx> |
my laptop took a crap, and with it all my Z2 work |
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<echelon> |
and some minimal stuff |
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<echelon> |
ah |
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<Foxx> |
i need to get a base image that works |
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<Foxx> |
mine failed to build, apparently there was an error in the svn, and i wasnt being an idiot |
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<echelon> |
openembedded worked fine for me the first time around |
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<echelon> |
just had to build it over night |
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<Foxx> |
mine failed |
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<Foxx> |
it would hang on boot |
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<Foxx> |
after some research i saw that it was an SVN issue |
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<echelon> |
i'm also working on a daemon so that it keeps the wireless card associated with an AP all the time |
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<echelon> |
hmm, not for me |
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<echelon> |
i got the source from openzipit.org |
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<echelon> |
i don't know why it's down today |
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<echelon> |
it was the stable version |
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<echelon> |
Foxx: oh, did you try the pre-built image from linux.zipitwireless.com ? |
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<Foxx> |
i think that was the one that worked |
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<echelon> |
that one hung for me as well on boot, the image from clemsonlinux.org worked fine |
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<Foxx> |
its been a while, and i lost all my sources and builds |
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<Foxx> |
yeah |
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<Foxx> |
that was the scenario |
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<Foxx> |
one image worked, the other didnt |
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<echelon> |
so you didn't build openembedded? |
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<Foxx> |
but i haveent done anything like this, so i assumed i was being an idiot |
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<jhaluska> |
What browsers could easily be ported? |
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<Foxx> |
links? |
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<echelon> |
jhaluska: i was able to build dillo |
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<echelon> |
after you get Xfbdev |
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<echelon> |
the problem right now is the mousekeys |
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<echelon> |
you can't do much with gui if you don't have a cursor |
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<jhaluska> |
true |
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<jhaluska> |
I wish I knew more or had more free time to be helpful. |
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<echelon> |
bitbake xserver-kdrive |
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<echelon> |
you have to build xserver-kdrive |
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<echelon> |
that's the X server they're using |
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<echelon> |
i don't know if it has built-in support for mousekeys |
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<jhaluska> |
Is it also possible to fix the auto repeating on keyboard in linux? |
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<echelon> |
it's very stripped down |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<echelon> |
i forgot what i did |
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<echelon> |
damn |
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<echelon> |
i also figured out how to enable color terminal |
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<echelon> |
in /etc/profile you need to set the terminal to linux |
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<echelon> |
jhaluska: oh! |
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<echelon> |
xset |
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<echelon> |
but in openembedded it's not xset |
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<echelon> |
it's called something else |
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<echelon> |
i discovered that it's not actually a problem with auto-repeat |
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<jhaluska> |
What is it a problem with? |
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<echelon> |
you just need to put the right amount of pressure |
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<echelon> |
when pressing the keys |
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<echelon> |
you get used to it after a while ;) |
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<echelon> |
damn, now i forgot what it uses instead of xset |
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<echelon> |
i can't find the pipe char | |
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<echelon> |
d'oh! |
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<jhaluska> |
What? |
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<echelon> |
i forgot there's an #openembedded channel i can ask in heh |
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<echelon> |
#oe rather |
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<echelon> |
jhaluska: i think you need to build kdrive |
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<jhaluska> |
kdrive? |
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<jhaluska> |
Is that what you're using? |
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<echelon> |
that's the X server |
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<echelon> |
that's what the zipit guys want you to use |
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<echelon> |
still i don't think it'll help you on the terminal |
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<echelon> |
jhaluska: you have an OE dev environment set up? |
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<jhaluska> |
not currently |
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<jhaluska> |
When I rebuild my laptop I'll re-set one up |
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<Foxx> |
arent a few people trying to completely replace the onboard Z2 OS? |
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<Foxx> |
that way we can run from onboard flash and not SD? |
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<echelon> |
i prefer not flashing it |
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<echelon> |
it's safer with sd |
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<echelon> |
i don't think we're even close to that stage yet |
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<Foxx> |
i agree, but to be god honest... im never going to boot the internal OS |
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<Foxx> |
they did find the jtag and such |
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<Foxx> |
i remember hearing reports of TomW making some progress with accessing the bootloader and bricking his Z2 because of a bad flash |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<jhaluska> |
Kdrive sounds pretty cool |
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<echelon> |
jhaluska: you can use setterm to turn repat on/off |
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<echelon> |
with kbdrate you can change the rate |
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<echelon> |
i'm checking if it comes with oe |
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<echelon> |
i think it was kbd_mode |
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<echelon> |
argh, the oe version i have doesn't have it |
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<echelon> |
you might |
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<jhaluska> |
I'll worry about it later, I have to do work stuff :( |
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<echelon> |
kk |
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<openbsdfan> |
Hi :-) |
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<openbsdfan> |
I curious about this device, is it really just $50 USD? |
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<openbsdfan> |
As for the onboard GUI, do they use X or a custom enviroment with custom applications? |
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<jhaluska> |
openbsdfan: Sorta |
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<openbsdfan> |
hmm |
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<jhaluska> |
You can buy one for $50 USD and hack it. |
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<jhaluska> |
But if you buy the $50 and don't pay the subscription fee, it's kind of useless |
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<openbsdfan> |
how so? |
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<jhaluska> |
openbsdfan: drmikecrowe can probably answer your questions regarding the GUI, he sorta works for ZipIt. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
LOL sorta? |
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<jhaluska> |
openbsdfan: They had two versions, one that was over $120 and didn't need a subscription, then they made a cheap one that needs a subscription. |
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<jhaluska> |
drmikecrowe: Hey, playing around with linux all day is sort of like work. :) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I wish that was all I did.... ;) |
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<openbsdfan> |
ah well, thanks for the info. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
dang, did he leave already? |
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<echelon> |
people only talk when i'm not around :( |
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<echelon> |
why did jhaluska tell him it's useless if you don't pay the subscription fee? -_- |
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<echelon> |
trying to drive away possible customers |
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<echelon> |
my problem is that the card keeps disassociating itself from the AP |
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<echelon> |
so if i'm in the middle of an ssh session, i can't do anything but do a hard shutdown via the side button through the hole |
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<drmikecrowe> |
echelon, using the internal wifi chip? |
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<echelon> |
yeah |
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<echelon> |
i need to write a daemon to keep the card associated with the AP or something |
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<drmikecrowe> |
weird |
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<echelon> |
drmikecrowe: should i use the OE src from openzipit.org ? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hmmm, echelon, I haven't looked at it lately. I think that's T0mW's, right? |
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<echelon> |
i guess ^_- |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I *think* so, but I haven't looked at it lately |
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<echelon> |
svn version linked from linux.zipitwireless.com is supposedly unstable |
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<echelon> |
and causes problems with matchbox, etc |
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<echelon> |
heh, i can see your hands on the SDL_Example :P |
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<echelon> |
fingers rather |
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<echelon> |
hey, you have a mouse cursor on that pic |
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<echelon> |
are you able to move it around? |
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<Foxx> |
picture? mouse cursor? buah?? |
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<echelon> |
http://linux.zipitwireless.com/wiki/SDL_Example |
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<Foxx> |
thank you echelon |
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<Foxx> |
interesting |
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<echelon> |
:) |
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<echelon> |
now we can play armagetron on it |
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<Foxx> |
it seems as soon as i walk away, life sprouts |
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<echelon> |
same here |
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<Foxx> |
meh, i guess im just a life sucking he-beast |
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<Foxx> |
lol |
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<echelon> |
there needs to be more input from the zipit wireless folks |
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<echelon> |
at least throw us a bone |
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<Foxx> |
any word on weather or not a sync cable will be released? |
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<Foxx> |
from what I remember, there is TTL serial on the back sunc connector |
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<Foxx> |
sync* |
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<Foxx> |
i see no reason wht a simple laptop touchpad could be interfaced as a mouse |
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<Foxx> |
most of the synaptic touchpads i have laying around have serial and PS/2 |
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<echelon> |
this is all i've heard about it.. http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=82 |
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<echelon> |
eh, the up/down/left/right arrows would be more convenient |
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<echelon> |
it's just the kdrive that's the problem |
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<echelon> |
i know Xorg lets you set mousekeys, but kdrive is just too stripped down |
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<Foxx> |
seems i was wrong, the external connector doesnt have serial |
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<Foxx> |
it does have an I2C bus though, but that will take some MCU magic and proper kernel driver to be used as an input device for a mouse |
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<Foxx> |
maybe a thumb stick type addon |
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<Foxx> |
it would be possible, but not as easy as a TTL touchpad |
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<Foxx> |
hell, synamptic will even send free samples of select touchpads |
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<echelon> |
my biggest problems atm are the wireless and audio cards |
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<Foxx> |
yah, ive been keeping up with the logs |
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<Foxx> |
my biggest problem is that i dont know enough about embedded linux |
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<echelon> |
what, OE? |
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<Foxx> |
yeah, and cross compiling in general |
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<echelon> |
http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/?page_id=115 |
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<Foxx> |
already been there, but thanks |
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<Foxx> |
im a hands on guy, i learn more by making mistakes and asking proper questions |
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<Foxx> |
my laptop that has all my devlopment stuff is out of comission until a new motherboard comes in |
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<echelon> |
hmm.. openzipit.org seems to be completely offline |
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<Foxx> |
still? |
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<echelon> |
nameservers can't even be reached |
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<Foxx> |
i noticed it was down about 5 days ago |
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<echelon> |
drmikecrowe: yeah, openzipit is T0Mw's site |
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<Foxx> |
i was strolling around the typical Z2 websites and blogs to see if any progress was made |
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<Foxx> |
I noticed tom's openzipit was down |
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<echelon> |
he uses some crappy nameservers |
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<echelon> |
no wonder it's down |
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