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<echelon> |
i got my zipit! :D |
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<echelon> |
but T0Mw said there's a mic jack :P |
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<echelon> |
i don't see one.. just a headphone jack |
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<echelon> |
btw, wth is that thing next to the headphone jack? |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
extra I/O pins |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
at least, i assume so |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
sony uses a similar connector on their CD players for the in-line controls |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
unfortunately, the in-line control I have has an extra set of pins, so it's just slightly bigger than that |
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<echelon> |
hmm |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
any 3.5mm headphones will work in there though |
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<echelon> |
but no mic :( |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
if i recall, the mic is connected with a few of the pins in that giant I/O port on the back |
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<echelon> |
i was thinking of maybe porting a sip softphone onto it |
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<g1powermac> |
actually, that is the mic port |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
g1powermac, really? |
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<echelon> |
what? |
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<g1powermac> |
its a really weird setup |
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<echelon> |
analog mic? |
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<g1powermac> |
the thing next to the headphone jack |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
hmm |
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<g1powermac> |
and yea, the mic port is brought out to the connector in the back |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
well, thanks for setting me straight |
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<echelon> |
definitely can't use an analog mic you use on the pc |
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<g1powermac> |
yea, its weird, I didn't think it was either till someone else told me |
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<echelon> |
so... where do i get a mic for it? |
| [15:11:59] |
<jhaluska> |
Remind me to finish hacking my ZipIt when I get a chance |
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<g1powermac> |
echelon, I think its meant for a headset system |
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<g1powermac> |
jhaluska, hehe, yea, I need that reminder too |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
lol |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
i've gotten as far as booting openembedded and getting a few apps to run |
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<echelon> |
g1powermac: oh, so where do i find one? |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
haven't done too much with it otherwise |
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g1powermac has been living in the past hacking old m68k macs these past few weeks ;-) |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
very nice |
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<g1powermac> |
got a powerbook 520c to boot linux off a floppy :-) |
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<jhaluska> |
I have unrest's image, but no wifi...which makes it a very expensive and awkward mobile vi text editor. |
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<g1powermac> |
echelon, unfortunately, I don't know |
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<echelon> |
is it like for the same headsets they use on cell phones? |
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<echelon> |
well where do i find the specs for that port? |
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<g1powermac> |
echelon, talk with GPSFan we he comes back, I think he knows more about it |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
the pinouts for the rear expansion port are on the zipitwireless wiki, but you need to have a login (which means you agree to their NDA-type BS) |
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<g1powermac> |
jhaluska, have you seen the work I've done with the zipit? |
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<g1powermac> |
jhaluska, http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/ |
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<echelon> |
i have dibs on porting the sip softphone! |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
lol |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
i have dibs on beta testing it |
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<g1powermac> |
hehe, I got one up, I got a gsm module waiting to be attached to my zipit ;-) |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
hahaha |
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<g1powermac> |
plus a camera and an accelerometer :-) |
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<echelon> |
so what kind of data cable does it use? |
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<g1powermac> |
what? the gsm module? its just a raw gsm module waiting to soldered to a breakout board :-) |
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<g1powermac> |
although. . .sticking a gsm module in a mac classic II. . .now that would be interesting. . . |
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<g1powermac> |
reminds me of hack the sparkfun guys did with sticking a gsm module in a old rotary phone to turn it into a cell phone of sorts ;-) |
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<echelon> |
is that a sata data cable in the back? |
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<g1powermac> |
no |
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<echelon> |
err port |
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<echelon> |
what kind? |
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<g1powermac> |
the port contains a bunch of different things |
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<g1powermac> |
i2c, usb, camera interface, audio, and a couple of other things |
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<g1powermac> |
and no, usb host is not brought out, its usb device |
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<echelon> |
eh |
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<echelon> |
for add-on devices? |
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<g1powermac> |
if you mean the usb port, no, its meant to be attached to a host computer |
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<echelon> |
where would i get it? |
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<g1powermac> |
its brought out to the pins on the back connector, as for getting the connector, its on the wiki :-) |
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<echelon> |
ah, thanks :) |
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<g1powermac> |
ya welcome :-) |
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<echelon> |
i bet no one here paid $8 for the z2 :D |
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<g1powermac> |
dang :-) |
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g1powermac bought his back when it was still over $100 |
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<echelon> |
brand new |
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<echelon> |
it uses arm arch, right? |
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<g1powermac> |
yup |
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<g1powermac> |
the intel pxa270 to be exact |
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<g1powermac> |
well, it isn't intel anymore. . .its now Marvell |
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<echelon> |
hmm.. doubt if i'll be able to get skype on it then |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
yeah |
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<Limp_Trizkit> |
skype won't work |
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<echelon> |
they only have skype for windows/arm |
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<echelon> |
windows mobile+arm to be specific |
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<echelon> |
hmm.. maybe i can port this.. http://www.microemu.org/ |
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<echelon> |
so we can run j2me apps |
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<echelon> |
who was trying to get mousekeys to work on X? |
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<echelon> |
hmm.. think i can hook it up to a usb hauppauge tv tuner? |
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<echelon> |
battery would probably die in an hour |
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<g1powermac> |
echelon, no, because there is no usb host |
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<g1powermac> |
the zipit's usb port is only meant to be attached to a computer |
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<g1powermac> |
not to have devices attached to it |
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<echelon> |
oh |
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<echelon> |
nvm then :) |
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<echelon> |
can it run on ac power by itself without the battery in? |
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<g1powermac> |
hmm, I'm not sure |
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<echelon> |
would it be possible to do a linux install over wifi? |
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<g1powermac> |
not without a sd card in the system to do initial booting |
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<g1powermac> |
but theoretically it should be possible with a small install system on the sd card |
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<echelon> |
someone managed to do this on the z1 |
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<echelon> |
when it did the initial setup it checked for updates, and it tricked the zipit into downloading the resources from your own server |
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<g1powermac> |
ahh, now that is interesting |
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<jhaluska> |
echelon: That's cool |
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<Switchcat> |
echelon - you never explained... was this some sort of promotional deal? I think someone mentioned a $30 gift card or something for opening up a credit card account... |
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<echelon> |
Switchcat: yeah, signed for the amazon credit card |
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<echelon> |
had to wait a month before they approved it |
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<echelon> |
ugh, i can't find the site |
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<echelon> |
found it! |
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<echelon> |
this is how they did it for the z1.. http://www.aibohack.com/zipit/reflash.htm |
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<echelon> |
you're not supposed to update it :( |
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<echelon> |
which i already did |
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<echelon> |
these instructions are for the z1 though |
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<echelon> |
so i dunno |
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<echelon> |
someone will have to reverse engineer how it does the updates |
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<echelon> |
lol, cool.. http://va3uxb.dynip.com/ |
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<echelon> |
a zipit webserver |
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<echelon> |
amyway, where do i sign up for an account? |
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<echelon> |
'activate'? |
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<echelon> |
i thought the monthly service charge are for the z2a's? |
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<echelon> |
i don't think mine is a z2a |
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<echelon> |
how do i enter '@'? |
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<Switchcat> |
uhmm exchelon I certainly hope yours is a z2 |
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<echelon> |
it is i think |
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<Switchcat> |
same difference |
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<echelon> |
i was able to create an account |
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<echelon> |
anyway.. how do i enter @ ? :P |
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<echelon> |
or any of the upper keys? |
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<echelon> |
ah, got it |
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<echelon> |
now where's the period?? |
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<echelon> |
lol, found it |
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<echelon> |
oh no.. it's only a trial account :\ |
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<echelon> |
i should've captured the packets before signing up for the account |
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<echelon> |
i'll get my sd card before that anyway |
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<Switchcat> |
oh no. :O |
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<echelon> |
what's the problem, if you're in here that means you're going to install openembedded on it anyway |
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<echelon> |
how do you close a window? |
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<Switchcat> |
well not necessarily |
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<Switchcat> |
but you did sound unaware/surprised |
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<Switchcat> |
yes, I don't want to have to pay extra fees for IMing service when the wifi is free and IMing is typically free, but that doesn necessarily mean I want to install OE. |
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<Switchcat> |
Plus considering this channel is archived on the companies' website, I think we can expect a number of different people/opinions/plans in here. |
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<echelon> |
it is? |
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<echelon> |
well, we're doing a better job than them anyway, so they can only benefit from us |
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<Switchcat> |
a better job? I didn't know we had a fully working binary distribution available yet. :P |
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<echelon> |
yeah, well.. we're still doing a better job |
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<echelon> |
$10/month to use an IM app |
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<echelon> |
so.. to be honest.. the actual value of the device is $40? or is it really $120-140? |
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<echelon> |
did they think they would make it up in the service conract? |
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<Switchcat> |
I dont know what the actual cost of production of the device is. |
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<Switchcat> |
I assume the $50 price is a loss leader price... that yes, they are selling it cheaper than it costs them to produce/distribute and that they indeed expect to make it up with service fees.. |
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<echelon> |
GPSFan: you know about the mic/headset jack? |
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<GPSFan> |
echelon: a bit, the mic is connected to the "extra" pins on the side, and they go to the in mic input on the wolfson micro cocdec. |
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<echelon> |
eh, so where would i find a mic for it? |
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<echelon> |
or would it require modding? |
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<echelon> |
kind of looks like a cellphone headset jack |
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<GPSFan> |
the round part of the jack is just a standatd headphone jack. the "extra" pins are somewhat problematic. The FCC docs for the Z2 show a headset complete with mic and the funny connector. I guess zipit decided to wait till they had a voip app they couold sell people before they let you buy the headset. |
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<echelon> |
there's already command line sip softphones available |
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<echelon> |
so anyone interested in reflashing over wifi? |
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<echelon> |
anyone here? |
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<echelon> |
what do you guys think of having this run on zipit? http://www.operamini.com/demo/ |
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<echelon> |
opera's rendering engine is a lot more light-weight than gecko |
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<echelon> |
and it's just as good.. maybe better |
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