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<echelon> |
i just ordered the z2a :D |
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<echelon> |
8 bucks! |
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<_switchcat_> |
8 bucks?! |
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<Foxx> |
finaly got that amazon card? |
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<_switchcat_> |
oh, what was it some sort of free gift card promotion ? |
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<Foxx> |
something like $30 off your first purchace with an amazon.com credit card |
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<_switchcat_> |
oh. :P |
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<_switchcat_> |
I think I'm just gonna get z1 for IMing and to test out the platform, next time they get listed for a decent ebay price |
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<Foxx> |
i have 2 of them |
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<Foxx> |
they are nice, but suck in low-light |
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<_switchcat_> |
did you ever consider the backlight hack? |
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<Foxx> |
yeah, i talked to Tom about it |
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<Foxx> |
he said once you do it, they suck in full daylight |
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<Foxx> |
so you have a tradeoff |
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<Foxx> |
and its a little blurry |
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<_switchcat_> |
why would they suck in daylight? |
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<_switchcat_> |
I didnt research it really except to see it was possible/mentioned |
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<Foxx> |
because you need to remove the silver reflective lining on the back of the LCD |
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<Foxx> |
you know those USB laptop keyboard lights? |
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<Foxx> |
everyone i talked to said you are better off with something like that |
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<Foxx> |
not to mention the EL panel draws a LOT of power, isnt bright enough, is kinda' expensive for the mod, and removing the reflective lining from the LCD is EXTREEMLY dangerous |
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<Foxx> |
you need to get all the glue off, and if you dont, it makes it blurry |
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<Foxx> |
ive seen a lot of people break their Z1 LCD trying it |
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<_switchcat_> |
ah, so it's not just like something you can turn off and on |
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<Foxx> |
well, you could, but then the LCD wont be visable |
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<Foxx> |
LCD works by having these cristals that when electorns pass through, absorb photons |
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<Foxx> |
which is why most LCDs are black |
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<_switchcat_> |
yeah they're especially lovely when your lcds break and the stuff leaks out through the panel. :( |
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<Foxx> |
on a trans-reflective LCD, like the Gameboy Advance, it needs light to shine in front of the crystal display to work properly |
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<Foxx> |
the Z1 is a rear trans reflective |
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<Foxx> |
so it needs light from the front, to shine and reflect off the back |
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<Foxx> |
since the EL panel isnt bright enough, it will always seem dim, and since the reflective backing is gone, there is no chance of front light working |
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<_switchcat_> |
well, for about 16 bux a z1 seems decent for free IMing |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<Foxx> |
its a nice little unit |
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<Foxx> |
i have one in stock condition, and one i tinker with |
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<_switchcat_> |
i was thinking about ordering 2, possibly to give one away |
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<Foxx> |
would you like to see the inner mods ive done to mine? |
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<Foxx> |
unless you are an electron god, soldering in the SD and serial is a real risk |
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<_switchcat_> |
sure but ah, I need an easy url cause I use irc in console and have to hop to x to check out images |
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<Foxx> |
http://picasaweb.google.com/FoxxOTG/TechCrapGizmos |
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<Foxx> |
thats as easy as i can make it |
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<_switchcat_> |
well im not an electron god but i've been working with electronics 25+ years |
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<Foxx> |
im coming up to my 20 year mark |
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<_switchcat_> |
well I suppose I can just remember picasa FoxxOTG |
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<Foxx> |
indeed |
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<Foxx> |
or search for FoxxOTG Zipit Z1 |
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<Foxx> |
if you are a tech buff, you may like my picasa page, its got tons of pics of the abominations ive been working on |
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<_switchcat_> |
I kinda just want it all to be simple |
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<_switchcat_> |
i got real excited when i first saw the z2 and started doing research |
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<Foxx> |
if you dont plan on playing with OpenZipit, there is no need to open it |
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<Foxx> |
if you just want a handheld IM device, a Z1 is ok |
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<_switchcat_> |
then I got a bit annoyed at the service fee, and the fact that I realized that all the (eventual) accessories I might need might make the initial purchase price make buying another device more cost effective |
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<Foxx> |
yah, the initial cost of a Z2, you could buy a nokia n800 for the same price, and it would be easier to hack, and have more features out of the box |
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<Foxx> |
with no service fees |
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<_switchcat_> |
nokia n800 for the same price as a z2? |
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<Foxx> |
the original Z2 |
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<Foxx> |
about $150 |
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<Foxx> |
not the $50 on |
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<Foxx> |
one* |
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<_switchcat_> |
yeah I live in philadelphia which allegedly now has free wifi in most of the city, I'm particularly interested in seeing whether I can get skype working decently enough, and for that, I need a headset jack |
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<Foxx> |
skype may be a bit much for the Z2 |
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<Foxx> |
it works on my n800 |
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<Foxx> |
but that has a bit more power |
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<Foxx> |
not to mention that skype itsnt exactly open source |
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<Foxx> |
gizmo on the other hand, that should run pretty well |
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<_switchcat_> |
well, I'm more worried about the latency and jitter of the network, than I am of the power of the z2 |
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<_switchcat_> |
gizmo? |
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<Foxx> |
its like skype, but open source |
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<Foxx> |
and no crappy bloatware and government backdoors |
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<Foxx> |
it can do gizmo - gizmo calls, IM via jabber (i think) and can be configured to use VoIP |
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<_switchcat_> |
basically I want to use skype out/in inplace of s cellphone, not pc-to-pc |
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<Foxx> |
yeah, i figured |
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<Foxx> |
but thats a bit bloated, why not just use a basic SoftPhoen over VoIP? |
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<Foxx> |
SoptPhone* |
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<Foxx> |
SOFT PHONE* |
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<_switchcat_> |
skype is the cheapest that I've found so far, and it also seems to have the protocol that is most tolerant of low bandwidth |
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<Foxx> |
jesus... |
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<Foxx> |
you never heard of Free World Dial, huh? |
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<_switchcat_> |
yes, but it doesnt seem to solve the problems I have |
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<Foxx> |
whats the problem? |
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<Foxx> |
the PA citywide wifi latency? |
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<_switchcat_> |
philly |
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<_switchcat_> |
PA is a state |
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<Foxx> |
i know that lol |
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<Foxx> |
but they have wifi in the whole STATE? |
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<_switchcat_> |
I'm assuming latency is an issue, yes, as well as bandwidth |
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<Foxx> |
how the hell will that work?! there are so many elevation changes its not even funny... |
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<_switchcat_> |
I'm told that people have seen dialup speeds |
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<Foxx> |
ive heard the same |
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<_switchcat_> |
they are placed on the telephone poles |
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<Foxx> |
i just dont see it working well |
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<Foxx> |
wifi was never meant fot this kind of deplyment |
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<_switchcat_> |
well I don't care about "well" I care about "good enough" |
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<Foxx> |
and the amount of noise in the 2.4ghz band these days in any kind of cityscape is insane |
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<Foxx> |
i live in NYC |
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<Foxx> |
im also an amatuer radio person, and i do a lot of wifi stuff |
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<_switchcat_> |
I've got a building where I have no electricity and currently no phone, in an area that is unlikely to have noise in that band |
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<Foxx> |
2.4Ghz here is so clogged, its not even funny |
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<Foxx> |
and what about security? |
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<Foxx> |
im no super-paranoid conspiracy theorist here, but packet sniffing a wireless network isnt all too hard |
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<_switchcat_> |
where I live in the city (not the building I just mentioned) last time I checked there was very little of other wifi networks.. heck where my mom lives in rural areas, there were more wifi networks |
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<_switchcat_> |
well I'm not too worried about IMs and voip phonecalls to my girlfriend |
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<Foxx> |
but what about bluetooth, microwave ovens, cordless phones, and wireless security cameras? |
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<Foxx> |
those all operate in the same band |
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<Foxx> |
hell, those wireless cameras are pretty much an insstant Deinal of Service attack on local wifi |
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<_switchcat_> |
I wish wireless security cameras were so easy |
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<Foxx> |
?? |
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<Foxx> |
i dont meant the WiFi ones |
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<_switchcat_> |
I could use some solar powered wireless security cameras, but there are like next to no good quality ones out there |
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<Foxx> |
ahhh... yeah |
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<Foxx> |
i made my own |
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<_switchcat_> |
that arnt either ridiculously expensive |
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<Foxx> |
well, hardware hacked it |
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<_switchcat_> |
or you have to roll your own |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<Foxx> |
the one i have here was made from some slavage, and its bad ass |
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<Foxx> |
no audio though |
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<Foxx> |
i need to make a mic preamp |
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<Foxx> |
ive been too lazy |
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<Foxx> |
i put together a few 2.4ghz Wireless Video scanners |
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<Foxx> |
those are a fun toy |
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<_switchcat_> |
what bothers me is that I assume I will lose my IM history on the zipit. :( I really like keeping my IM records |
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<Foxx> |
no idea how to pull that one off |
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<Foxx> |
unless you run irssi and pipe bitlbee throough |
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<Foxx> |
and log on the server side |
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<Foxx> |
or ssh into a shell that has irssi to an irc server using bitlbee |
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<Foxx> |
but thats just impractical |
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<Foxx> |
for a zipit anyways |
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<_switchcat_> |
a z1 at least |
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<_switchcat_> |
it surprises me that there isnt more of a hacking community around the z2 |
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<Foxx> |
i cant see me using irssi on either Z1 or Z2 comfortably |
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<Foxx> |
i tried irssi on my Z1 |
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<Foxx> |
it wasnt fun |
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<_switchcat_> |
ssh? |
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<Foxx> |
irssi has been ported to the Z1 |
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<_switchcat_> |
I mean, if you're on the z2 anyways I assume the sd card can handle the history |
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<Foxx> |
more than likely |
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<_switchcat_> |
what wasn't fun about it? |
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<Foxx> |
the keyboard layout |
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<Foxx> |
and the soft squishy buttons with no tactile feedback |
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<_switchcat_> |
well I assume if the keyboard layout isnt fun for the z1, neither is IMing |
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<Foxx> |
the Z1 keyboard layout is tuned for the Zipit IM app |
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<Foxx> |
it works well |
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<_switchcat_> |
whatever you're doing on it, you've got the same keyboard layout |
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<Foxx> |
but they never intended it to be hacked, and people running a console on it |
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<Foxx> |
they made the device for AIM addicted kids |
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<Foxx> |
so tiny grubby little hands, not a full grown adult |
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<_switchcat_> |
you think the z2 keyboard is a better layout by much? |
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<_switchcat_> |
well I heard it's better than cellphones |
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<Foxx> |
its pretty much the same, but the tactile feedback is great |
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<Foxx> |
for the price, hackability, and functions of the device, im not going to complain |
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<Foxx> |
a $50 320mhz XScale palmtop with color 320x240 screen with audio ability |
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<Foxx> |
this thing has more power than the early day PDAs, and its open |
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<_switchcat_> |
yep that you can get for under $40 |
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<Foxx> |
i got mine for $37 |
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<Foxx> |
they dont go for more than $50 though |
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<_switchcat_> |
well, depending upon if you're dumb or not |
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<_switchcat_> |
I certainly see them for more on ebay |
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<Foxx> |
yeah |
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<_switchcat_> |
im waiting for this one guy to relist his z1s |
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<Foxx> |
aieonix was selling em via ebay |
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<Foxx> |
for about $25 |
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<Foxx> |
i got one one for $4 |
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<_switchcat_> |
2 z1s for $18.99 + 8.99 shipping (well, he had most of them listed at $20.99+shipping but he only sold the one 18.99 listing, the 20.99 ones didnt sell the other day) |
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<Foxx> |
turns out someone returned their Z1 thinking it was defective |
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<_switchcat_> |
used? |
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<Foxx> |
they didnt know to put the WEP key in hex |
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<Foxx> |
yeah |
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<Foxx> |
perfect condition |
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<Foxx> |
i was scared shitless that the LCD was shattered |
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<_switchcat_> |
I need a bunch of hackers to move into my building |
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<Foxx> |
lol |
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<Foxx> |
i know the feeling |
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<Foxx> |
check out www.BSoDtv.org |
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<Foxx> |
we have a few people out in PA |
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<_switchcat_> |
whatzat? |
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<Foxx> |
my how-to tech show |
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<Foxx> |
for hackers, by hackers |
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<Foxx> |
none of that leet n00b pwning bullshit either |
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<Foxx> |
first three episodes i do baisc electronics |
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<_switchcat_> |
I have plenty of room, but no electricity and no security. :( |
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<Foxx> |
ive got a hard time finding REAL hackers here in NYC |
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<Foxx> |
most of them are typical crackers, movie fantacy hackers, and script kiddies |
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<_switchcat_> |
isnt there that media/arts hacking place |
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<Foxx> |
lots of posers out here |
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<_switchcat_> |
the tank or something like that |
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<Foxx> |
dunno |
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<Foxx> |
besides BSoD, im not into the social hacker scene |
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<Foxx> |
cause the good part of them hax 2b leet |
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<_switchcat_> |
why not? if you're lookin for them, isnt that where to find them? |
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<Foxx> |
well, i dont follow the scene |
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<Foxx> |
i make one |
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<Foxx> |
birds of a feather flock together |
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<Foxx> |
i want legit people looking to learn and teach |
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<Foxx> |
not pwn each others facebook |
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<Foxx> |
and DDoS their IRC servers |
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<_switchcat_> |
well thats what im saying |
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<_switchcat_> |
people going to places like the tank dont do that crap |
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<Foxx> |
i havent found anyplace that have genuine interesting and legit people |
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<Foxx> |
#zipit IS REFRESHING |
| [05:42:21] |
<Foxx> |
EVERUONEHERE HAS THE SAME GENERAL MINDSET OF HELPING OUT AND HACKING FOR FUN |
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<Foxx> |
sorry, hit caps |
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<_switchcat_> |
so what do you do for daily ? |
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<Foxx> |
? |
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<_switchcat_> |
i.e. whats your day job? |
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<Foxx> |
onsite tech |
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<Foxx> |
security, consulting, training, gnerally fixing peoples mistakes |
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<Foxx> |
on the sidelines ive been building 2.4Ghz antennas and such |
| [05:46:39] |
<Foxx> |
so for the most part, explaining to people why vista sucks, and installing XP... |
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<Foxx> |
lol |
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<_switchcat_> |
that is one thing I'm curious about.. external antennas... |
| [05:46:56] |
<Foxx> |
really then, check out BSoD |
| [05:47:00] |
<Foxx> |
lots of good stuff |
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<_switchcat_> |
well I meant specifically for things like the zipit, and/or wifi skypephones, etc. |
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<Foxx> |
yah |
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<Foxx> |
check out BSoD ;} |
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<Foxx> |
can we take this to PM? i dont want to spam #zipit with my BSoD stuff |
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<_switchcat_> |
if I can point an antenna at one of the city's wifi acesspoints (if I can find a local one) then I can probably seriously improve my signal |
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<_switchcat_> |
well whatever you think is appropriate, I think adding an external antenna to a zipit, to improve signal is suitable for channel talk |
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<Foxx> |
it would be possible, but not ptactical |
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<Foxx> |
you would most likely need to use an MMCX type connector, since there isnt much space in the zipit to host anything else |
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<Foxx> |
the solder job is a bit tight |
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<Foxx> |
and now you need to have an external antenna at all times |
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<_switchcat_> |
yeah it was just a thought |
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<jhaluska> |
Doh, i missed unrest |
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<jhaluska> |
hi boatl |
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<boatl> |
hey |
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<boatl> |
jhaluska i was reading the irc logs on the wiki |
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<boatl> |
and i saw your aim is smarterchild |
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<boatl> |
this is chazz |
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<boatl> |
hahah |
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<boatl> |
i just bought this thing on whim |
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<boatl> |
need to get a mini sd card |
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<boatl> |
actually i think i might have you mixed up with someone else i know |
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<boatl> |
my mistake hahah |
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<jhaluska> |
My aim isn't smarterchild |
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<jhaluska> |
I mentioned smarterchild tho |
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<boatl> |
what does the z2 use to stream audio? |
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<boatl> |
are you limited to their 3 streams? |
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<jhaluska> |
Don't know. |
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<jhaluska> |
No |
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<jhaluska> |
You have to log into their website to add more |
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<boatl> |
can you add your own streams? |
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<boatl> |
or just what they provide |
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<jhaluska> |
Just what you provide, but if you find the guy from ZipIt here, you might be able to coax him into adding one. |
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