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the biquad hasn't made much difference

oh yeah.. also came across some minor issues with my amazon card.. seems chase wants a copy of my electric/gas bill showing that i live at this address

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Foxx: have you been approved?

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<Foxx>

i didnt bother with the amazon card

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oh, so you just got it?

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<Foxx>

yah

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ok cool

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<Foxx>

i was rolling the dice on the idea that maybe... just maybe the reseller marked down their Z2 stock

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<Foxx>

and its not a Z2A

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<Foxx>

but i wont get my hopes up

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<Foxx>

is zipit going to make all Z2 units pay a monthly fee now?

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<Foxx>

or only on the z2a?

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only z2a

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i don't think they'll be selling the old z2's anymore

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<Foxx>

whats the main difference? just the IM app?

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<Foxx>

making it a monthly fee?

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the IM apps will be pretty much the same.. yeah, just the monthly fee

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<Foxx>

or the whole distro? cause ill be pissed if i paid for a device that makes me pay a monthly fee to use its built in features

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<Foxx>

i mean, yah, ill be hacking it and i can make it to more than just an IM client and such

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<Foxx>

its just the principal of the idea...

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<Foxx>

charging people $$ to use a device they paid for, that uses free services

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the guys here are working on a way to just place the old z2 im app on the z2a

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<Foxx>

dont see why it wouldnt be possible

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<Foxx>

but to be honest, im more in it for the homebrew and hacking

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same

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<Foxx>

id use it out of the box too

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<Foxx>

sometimes my friends come over and hog my many computers, laptops, game consoles etc

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<Foxx>

and ill get on AIM and tell them to get the hell off my damned laptop!

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hehe

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<Foxx>

if the Zipit IM client did IRC, id have little reason to mod it

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i wonder what rendering engine the z2's browser uses

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<CYoda>

Foxx: True

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i just need something to ssh

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<Foxx>

ssh is nice too

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<Foxx>

id like to see rfmon or wavemon too

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there's a port of wavemon for the z1 i think

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<Foxx>

i know, but im not sure if that will work in OpenZipit

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it should

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<Foxx>

and ive been having issues getting the buildroot working

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<CYoda>

Yeah, I want Streaming MP3, SSH, IM, IRC, Email, Web, ftp in that order.

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wavemon has issues with the 2.6 kernel, but it works fine with my patches

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<Foxx>

one of these days id like to get the Z1 buildroot going

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<Foxx>

maybe you guys can help me figure out WTF im doing wrong

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<Foxx>

all i want to add to the default image is wavemon

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<CYoda>

Foxx: If I knew more, i would

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<Foxx>

it has everything else id want

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if i had a z2 i would ^_^

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<Foxx>

i want to use minicom as a serial terminal to control a modified dd-wrt router

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<CYoda>

Hi mr unrest

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hi yoda

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mornin' foxx

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<Foxx>

or a general serial termnial of sorts, thats always usefull

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<Foxx>

hey unrest

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<Foxx>

mornin? its 12:30Am here ;}

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6:36am

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so it _must_ be pm at your place..

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<Foxx>

jebus, i dont go to bed until 9AM

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<Foxx>

im a bit of the night crawler

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gotta get a train around that time

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going to the netherlands

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<Foxx>

whats the occasion?

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shopping for food we don't have here

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so.. i learned that directional antennas aren't good for APs

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echelon, why?

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<CYoda>

They aren't?

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<Foxx>

depends on the application

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not from my results

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<Foxx>

but typically they cause blind spots

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echelon, define "not good for" please

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<Foxx>

and weird polarization issues

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Foxx, and interference..

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<Foxx>

ive found that a helical antenna works the best

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<Foxx>

but still has issues

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i haven't seen any difference from the antenna that it was packaged with

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-t

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echelon, not?

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Foxx, this might be unhandy when bein outdoors ;]]

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<Foxx>

echelon, you arent just increading the signal strength, but lowering the Signal to Noise ratio (if you set up properly)

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the biquad + dish would work for an AP

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<Foxx>

not to mention the AP was originally 30mW, and turned up to 280mW output ;}

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yeah, the signal-to-noise ratio was a lot better

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echelon, SO YOU IMPROVED SIGNAL STRENGTH!

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sry, capslock.. :/

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<Foxx>

its not gain itself you want, but a lower SnR

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but i still get disconnected while i'm outside

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then lower the rate

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to?

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autonegotiation of connection speed desyncs and kills wireless connection with a "bad" SNR

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iwconfig wlan0 rate 11 auto

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oh, i'm running the AP off a linux box

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hmm.. kk

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i was already assuming that

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will try it

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<Foxx>

are you sure its not a laptop issue?

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this command uses 11mbit and _lower_ if needed

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wait, on the client side or on the AP?

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client

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oh ok

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<Foxx>

ive noticed with centrino chipsets, when you run off of battery it will lower the wifi cards power output 9under windows)

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the AP should blast out particles at full speed

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Foxx: it's atheros, so that's out of the question ;)

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<Foxx>

most laptops these days will only run the card in low poer mode

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<Foxx>

power*

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i have a centrino notebook and can'T confirm it (under linux btw)

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<Foxx>

ill go into the windows settings and tell it to not use "power saving features

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<Foxx>

i mainly run windows, linux is just my tinker' toy right now

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<Foxx>

a lot of stuff i do is windows only

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<Foxx>

sadly

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windoze isn't hacker-friendly

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<Foxx>

mainly my EEPROM Programmer, EEPROM Emulator, video game console stuff, etc

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foxx vmware, virtualbox, wine, etc. ;)

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<Foxx>

well, if you can find me linux supplement software for my hardware programmers, ill use it

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<Foxx>

unrest...

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<Foxx>

no

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<Foxx>

wont work

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speaking of eeprom.. my broadcom nic won't work.. b44: Invalid MAC address found in EEPROM

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<Foxx>

i dont have direct access to hardware under VM

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echelon, you can't iwset it back?

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<Foxx>

besides, why am i going to run a VM DOS emulation on a machine that just needs a 50Mhz CPU?

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unrest: the eth0 interface doesn't even exist

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<Foxx>

hell, its less work to just run DOS

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echelon, outch

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yeah

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echelon, win or linux?

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linux

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lspci | grep Net

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<Foxx>

you have a laptop thats controled by trusted computing platform

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<Foxx>

dell/compaq?

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02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)

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yeah, dell

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so... there it is

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<Foxx>

yeah, dell is really bad with making everything closed

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<Foxx>

there is information about modding the BIOS to accept non-branded stuff

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it's been working for a long time, i just hadn't used it in a few months

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and once i tried to use it, this happens

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<Foxx>

i have an inspiron 7100 i had to do a bit of BIOS hacking to so i can use a non-dell IPW2200 wifi card

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Foxx, same with thinkpads and miniPCI wireless cards

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<Foxx>

im not spending $80 on a $22 card just because dell is being douchbags

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<Foxx>

wiki Trusted Computing Platform

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<Foxx>

this isnt news to me :/

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thinkpads can be "hacked" into working *g*

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<CYoda>

unrest: Good

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<Foxx>

its really messed up that OEMs these days will lock you out of using ordinaty hardware

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echelon, you got a windows desktop system, right?

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<Foxx>

just because they want you to use the same harsware, but with their brand name on it

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on other machines

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<CYoda>

Isn't that monopolistic?

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but i hadn't changed any hardware, it just stopped functioning out of the blue

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echelon, you might try one of those miniPCI to PCI adaptors and try to fix the MAC from another system

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oh..?

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yeah

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you didn't try to change the MAC address?

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nope

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i could've just used ifconfig to change the mac

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<Foxx>

if you have 2 hours of ntohing better to do than listen to some computer guys debate about current computer polotics: http://filedump.bsodtv.org/misc/Lost%20Carrier%20Talk.mp3

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<Foxx>

not the best quality, but its a good talk

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<Foxx>

we were trying to get an Electronic Bill of Rights out

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<Foxx>

and how big buisness was the worst thing to happen to modern computing

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Foxx, THANKS! i was looking for somthing to virtually shorten the ride back from the netherlands.. :)

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<Foxx>

lol

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<Foxx>

grab some BsoD episodes

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<Foxx>

there is always some good stuff in there to kill time

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<Foxx>

or techCentric

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yeah, i've already told some of my friends

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<Foxx>

also another good show

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<Foxx>

and AmatuerLogic

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i'll stick with michael clayton on the ride to and mp3s and coding on the ride back from venlo..

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<Foxx>

i really dont do the whole youtube - brodcast your life crap

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<Foxx>

but im involved with a few how-to based tech media

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stage6 was good

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<Foxx>

trying to lend a hand and help out where i can

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there was a good tech-show on there

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<Foxx>

how well did that biquad go together, echelon?

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<Foxx>

any issues?

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it went to gether just fine

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want pics?

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<Foxx>

sure

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eh.. i'll get disconnected though :\

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<Foxx>

those are always helpfull in hardware scenarios

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<Foxx>

heh, dont worry about it then

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<Foxx>

when you get a chance

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brb

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<Foxx>

any idea how much gain you get from it?

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CYoda, thou art a bot i guess?

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<CYoda>

A unintelligent bot at that :P

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<CYoda>

No, just distracted.

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i'll do a thorough comparison tomorrow.. netstumbler doesn't work very nice

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<CYoda>

<- jhaluska when at work

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for my atheros

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<Foxx>

echelon, may i suggest inSSIDer instead?

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the AP ssid/mac doesn't even show in the scan

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<Foxx>

netstumber doesnt like many new wifi cards

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kk cool

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<Foxx>

yeah, sounds like the typical atheros/netstumbler issue

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<Foxx>

inSSIDer all the way, baby ;}

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<Foxx>

not as feature rich as netstumbler, but at least it works

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<Foxx>

it even wirks with vista *gags*

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<Foxx>

works*

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CYoda, ah, good to know =)

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kismet ftw!!

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<Foxx>

can kismet show live reports of signal strength?

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<Foxx>

ive never been able to figure that our

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<Foxx>

out*

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nope. you need "i" to have a look at the strength

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<Foxx>

yeah, thats what ive been doing

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<Foxx>

unfortunately im a man that believes 'the right tool for the right job' and kismet just doesnt do what i need

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<Foxx>

im not a mindless linux fanboy that thinks its the proper tool for everything

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<Foxx>

ive seen GUI frontends for kismet that will show graphs of signal strength though

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<Foxx>

but... meh

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the strength only shows a green,yellow,red indicator

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if i want live monitoring of strength i use airodump

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<Foxx>

then how can you say "kisment ftw"?

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<Foxx>

dont mind me, im just busting your chops ;}

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wavemon is better for signal srength monitoring

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kismet is a _passive_ scanner and finds out ESSIDs

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<Foxx>

yep yep

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<Foxx>

which is why i want wavemon on my z1

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wavemon's just a frontend for iwconfig

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afaik*

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<Foxx>

i like to do a lot of wifi and rf stuff

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<Foxx>

so knowing whats actively broadcasting on what frequency in a given are is always usefull for me

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<Foxx>

i was half tempted to get a WiSPY 2.4ghz Spectrum anylizer

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<Foxx>

but for $250....

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<Foxx>

eh

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wth? ^^

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<Foxx>

and having to lug a laptop with me everywhere

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<Foxx>

check out BSoD episode 19

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<Foxx>

the wispy is a USB 2.4ghz specrum anylizer and tells you how corwded the band is

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<Foxx>

crowded*

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<Foxx>

if you do a lot of wireless lan stuff, wireless video, bluetooth, or anything in the 2.4ghz band, very usefull tool

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i'll watch it on teh train

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<Foxx>

they have a linux port of the software

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<Foxx>

and it will run on my nokia n800

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another _great_ episode of bsodtv?

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<Foxx>

i dont think any episode is great lol

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this was the answer i wanted to hear! =)

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<Foxx>

i honestly think th show is half baked

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<Foxx>

but i dont care, its not about looks

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<Foxx>

its aboutinfo

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i think this AP w/ biquad will serve as a good Repeater

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<Foxx>

about info*

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<Foxx>

and explaining stuff

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<Foxx>

and it just so happens Ophidian did a segment on the WiSpy in episode 19

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<Foxx>

unfortunately, $250 for a wispy, and $250 for the n800

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<Foxx>

thats $500+ of hardware alone just to show you how much noise is in the 2.4Ghz band...

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<Foxx>

i dont have that kind of cash

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wise =)

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<Foxx>

sorry if i keep spamming and whoring BsoD though

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anyone heard of wavestumbler? ^_-

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lnk?

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<Foxx>

ive been doing it for 2 years and we have a lot of topics covered

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patched from pcmcia-cs-3.1.34 that does both scanning

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and

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> >sniffing with iwpriv extensions.

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oops

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darn copy/paste in X

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http://www.cqure.net/wp/wavestumbler/

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<Foxx>

often times someone will ask something and we covered it in a segment, its just easier to toss em' an episode # than type a long winded explination

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<Foxx>

echelon, this is a nift lil' tool

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<Foxx>

nifty*

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<Foxx>

is this dependant on the actual wifi driver modiles installed? or jsut tailored to hermes based chipsets?

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i dunno.. going to try it now

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<Foxx>

im not excessively linux savvy when it comes to source

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<Foxx>

ill be the first to admit ive still got a lot to learn

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the best distro to learn from is slackware

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<CYoda>

It is?

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imho

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<Foxx>

ive been tinkering with linux for 8 years

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<Foxx>

but nothing really intense

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<CYoda>

I have a P4 1.4 GHz with 128 megs of ram at work that I want to put linux on.

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<Foxx>

im a fan of debian these days

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<Foxx>

and i avidly HATE ubuntu

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slackware will run very nicely on it

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i just wouldn't use kde

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<Foxx>

i mostly work in a shell

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same

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<Foxx>

bit flux is nice and light

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<Foxx>

but*

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yeah, i use openbox

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<Foxx>

KDE and Gnome is just a bit bloated for what id like to do in linux

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<Foxx>

thats why ive enjoyed tinkering with embedded devices

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openbox doesn't even have a task bar/sys tray ^_^

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<Foxx>

WRT routers, the Z1, etc...

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<Foxx>

video game consoles too

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<Foxx>

PDAs

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<Foxx>

you guys should check out the MSN WebTV 2 model RM4100

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<Foxx>

lots of potential there

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<Foxx>

they are working on a LinuxBIOS replacement

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<Foxx>

im working on a PC BIOS replacement

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brb.. trying wavestumbler

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<Foxx>

cause' not everyone wants to build a linux distro and 'dd it over to a compact flash or other drive

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<Foxx>

some of us would like to run something a little more simple

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<CYoda>

Foxx: I need to do that, can you help me with it tomorrow? :)

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<Foxx>

with...?

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<CYoda>

Put linux on a compact flash

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<Foxx>

i can try, what'cha trying to do?

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<CYoda>

I have some 486 type all in one pc things at work

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<CYoda>

Like PoS with touch screens

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<Foxx>

interesting

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<CYoda>

Not sure how to describe them.

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<CYoda>

They run Windows CE, but...that sucks

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<CYoda>

i was hoping to redesign them with Linux and CF

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<Foxx>

shit

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<Foxx>

any idea how it boots?

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<CYoda>

Like a normal pc

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<Foxx>

well, i mean

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<CYoda>

But it has a built in CF and some sort of SSD.

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<Foxx>

does it have a bootROM, FlashROM, BIOS?

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<CYoda>

has a bios

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<Foxx>

the RM4100 has a bootROM that will only boot a CE kernel, unless you patch it

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<CYoda>

I'll talk about it tomorrow, I don't have it here and I need to go to bed.

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<Foxx>

or reflash it with a PC BIOS

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<Foxx>

sounds good

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<Foxx>

ill see what i can do, but dont get high expectations

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<CYoda>

It looks like a PC bios to me, but I'm not sure the differences.

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<Foxx>

i still have a lot to learn myself, but maybe i can point you in the right direction

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<CYoda>

I had to give up cause I didn't have a floppy or cdrom attached to it :P

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<Foxx>

if you can get me hardware drtails, it would help

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<Foxx>

like what IC is used to hold the BIOS

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<Foxx>

cause then i can tell you how to dump it...

[01:33:52]

<Foxx>

im in dire needs of an SST 8Mbit Fimrwarehub PLCC chip

[01:34:23]

<Foxx>

seems they made the chip obsolete, and there are no replacements

[01:34:52]

<Foxx>

i dont want to flash this RM4100 BIOS and trash it

[01:35:40]

no matter what parameters i pass.. i just get the usage instructions when i run wavestumbler :\

[01:35:56]

<Foxx>

arent you running an atheros chipset?

[01:35:58]

doesn't seem to be very well known

[01:36:05]

not on this

[01:36:11]

<Foxx>

ah

[01:37:02]

it should at least give an error if the device wasn't compatible

[01:37:12]

[01:43:43]

http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/174.html

[01:54:47]

no one's been able to tell what's causing my nic to stop functioning :\

[01:54:49]

not even google

[09:42:42]

Hey Foxx

[11:05:48]

<Foxx>

oi

[11:09:16]

Back from a meeting

[11:11:13]

<Foxx>

just got my Zipit Z2A

[11:11:20]

Did you hack it?

[11:11:23]

<Foxx>

im opening the box as we speak

[11:11:30]

<Foxx>

i mean.. it LITERALLY just came in

[11:11:36]

oh ok

[11:12:27]

I wish tom was online

[11:13:00]

<Foxx>

why, whats up?

[11:17:23]

<Foxx>

they STILL make me put the damn WEP key in as hex

[11:17:27]

<Foxx>

such a pain in the ass...

[11:18:02]

Cause I need him for work stuff

[11:18:36]

He wrote the software for the product I'm maintaining

[11:21:34]

<Foxx>

god, this is painfull...

[11:22:23]

<Foxx>

this hex wep key is the main reason i didnt use the Z1

[11:22:28]

<Foxx>

thats how i got one for $4

[11:22:52]

<Foxx>

the previous user thought the keyboard was broken when they tried to put in the wep key, and only HEX characters worked

[11:23:16]

aha

[11:23:19]

$4 is a pretty sweet deal

[11:24:37]

<Foxx>

and no insert

[11:24:50]

It took a long time to type in the hext number.

[11:25:38]

I think something like a up and down arrow key would work better.

[11:25:47]

Sort of like a drop down box

[11:28:48]

<Foxx>

FUCK IT!

[11:28:54]

<Foxx>

i dont have the patience for this

[11:28:59]

<Foxx>

ill have my g/f do it later!

[11:34:19]

I think it could dedicated number keys

[11:48:45]

<Foxx>

should i allow my Z2A to do a system update?

[11:48:57]

<Foxx>

im weary about this new 'monthly fee' thing

[11:48:59]

From what I hear, it doesn't make it unhackable.

[11:49:08]

Not sure if you can escape that.

[11:49:17]

<Foxx>

right on the box is says "no monthyly fees"

[11:49:39]

<Foxx>

and they have 'Loose the PC 4 Free!!' slapped on to every spare space

[11:53:05]

I know, I found that...incredibly dishonest

[11:58:40]

<Foxx>

i agree

[11:58:48]

<Foxx>

right now my Z2 is doing a bunch of updates

[11:59:02]

<Foxx>

and its making me queazy just thinking about this monthly fee mumbo-jumbo

[11:59:26]

<Foxx>

i understand the -$100 price drop puts more units in the hands of homebrew hackers, and they are a buisness, they need to make profit

[11:59:46]

<Foxx>

i just dont like the whole idea of 'buy it and dont own it' licence agreement

[11:59:56]

<Foxx>

making me pay to use an otherwise free service... not cool

[12:00:36]

<Foxx>

hell, if i was going to do that, id use my cell phone

[12:00:38]

yeah, I feel the same way

[12:00:42]

<Foxx>

at least ill get a dignal damn near anywhere

[12:01:35]

<Foxx>

signal*

[12:18:20]

<Foxx>

man, im glad i didnt pay $150 for this thing

[12:18:35]

<Foxx>

its nice and all, but all of this online-only settings is really annoying

[12:18:51]

<Foxx>

and i would assume i could add my own manual streaming radio

[12:18:55]

<Foxx>

... nope

[12:19:49]

yeah thats a feature I would like

[12:19:53]

I need to hack mine

[12:20:25]

But we really need an image people can download and put on a card to get them interested.

[12:20:30]

<Foxx>

i have my own shoutcast server, so its not like i dont have the ability to stream

[12:20:38]

<Foxx>

yah

[12:20:49]

Having them download gigs just to create an image, not very efficient is problematic.

[12:21:09]

<Foxx>

and not too many linux savvy people these days

[12:21:36]

Well not enough

[12:21:41]

<Foxx>

leenuks ubuntu fanboys that cant use BASH, and Vista whores that think areo-effects are the best thing to hit computing since binary

[12:33:27]

hi unrest

[12:33:44]

aaaaaaaah!!!!

[12:33:58]

while i was out of the country usps attempted a delivery..

[12:34:09]

<Foxx>

i jst got my Z2

[12:34:11]

good evening jhaluska

[12:34:19]

shut up!

[12:34:26]

<Foxx>

been poking around, and not happy about this '14 day trial' crap

[12:36:28]

can you properly type on the keybd with your "shaking like a leaf" fingers?

[12:36:40]

<Foxx>

im not happy at the fact that it has 'Loose the PC 4 free' and all this other stuff about free IM

[12:36:54]

<Foxx>

and as soon as you turn it on it does updates and congradulates you on your 14 day trial

[12:37:24]

<Foxx>

if i was some tech-ignorant parent that actually reads the box of products for my kids, id be pretty pissed off

[12:37:40]

<Foxx>

ummmm, i can type on it ok

[12:37:43]

Well the $150 one doesn't require it except for text messaging

[12:37:50]

Foxx: You're going to hack it anyways

[12:37:52]

<Foxx>

im not very nimble on thumb boards either way

[12:38:01]

<Foxx>

i know jhaluska, its just a matter of principal...

[12:38:29]

I agree, the blatant lies on the box is the worst.

[12:38:36]

<Foxx>

yah

[12:38:53]

<Foxx>

if they ay least slapped a sticker that said "14 day trial" it wouldnt be as bad

[12:39:34]

on their homepage they did..

[12:39:45]

kinda

[12:40:36]

<Foxx>

their homepage is painfull to use

[12:40:46]

<Foxx>

it really makes me want to shoot myself in the foot

[12:41:22]

<Foxx>

ive got 14 days with this unit, im half tempted to system-reset and hope it rolsl back to the v1.0 software

[12:41:35]

<Foxx>

then load up some of my tools and do a fuck'ton of packet sniffing and shaping

[12:41:38]

<Foxx>

while i can

[12:41:43]

<Foxx>

just to see how it manages the online configs

[12:41:57]

<Foxx>

if its anything like the fonera, it will use SSH

[12:42:24]

Foxx: You could just ask drmikecrowe :P

[12:42:25]

<Foxx>

but from what ive scanned on the device, either its got iptables blocking basic service scan requests, or its all HTTP push

[12:42:51]

<Foxx>

or i could ask drmikecrow ;}

[12:43:11]

<Foxx>

c'mon, make me feel a LITTLE usefull!

[12:44:11]

<Foxx>

i need to set up the development environment tonight

[12:44:17]

<Foxx>

ill set up something in VM if possible

[12:44:27]

<Foxx>

thats one thing VM is good for...

[12:44:40]

<Foxx>

firwares, builtroot, and cross compiling

[12:44:43]

<Foxx>

firmwares*

[12:44:55]

<Foxx>

damn it, and i was going to do some Wii RAm hacking with the g/f tonight :/

[12:45:48]

g/f meaning girlfriend?

[12:45:52]

<Foxx>

yes

[12:46:00]

so the / is a separator?

[12:46:14]

<Foxx>

i guess

[12:46:34]

<Foxx>

i mean... thats how ive been accustomed to abbreviate girlfriend

[12:46:44]

<Foxx>

just one of those things ya' pick up

[12:46:55]

ah

[12:47:13]

well. i'm no native, so i didn't know separating abbreviations this way..

[12:47:23]

<Foxx>

understandable

[12:47:46]

<Foxx>

i need to find my damned MiniSD card

[12:47:59]

<Foxx>

and i want to know how the hell the zipit website sends configurations to the Z2

[12:48:05]

i just bought one in the hope that my z2 awaits me..

[12:48:14]

Foxx, if i was to guess i'd say https

[12:48:21]

<Foxx>

you speak (type and understand) english better than many of my native friends

[12:48:53]

<Foxx>

a lot of them are accustomed to abbreviate everything, as if sending a text message (SMS)

[12:49:02]

but my sentence explaining the lack knowing english net slang on my side truly sucked ^^

[12:49:04]

<Foxx>

and using 'lol' after every other word

[12:49:32]

<Foxx>

omy friends girlfriend actually pronounced 'ROFL' as a word in a conversation once

[12:49:35]

<Foxx>

and only once

[12:49:46]

<Foxx>

because i bitch slapped her when she said 'ROFFLE'

[12:50:29]

<Foxx>

my buddy turned to her and replied '...I WARNED YOU!'

[12:50:35]

hehe ^^

[12:50:53]

best way of teaching her to keep things separated, if you know what i mean :]]

[12:51:36]

<Fox

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