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<jhaluska> |
Hi GPSFan |
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<GPSFan> |
jhaluska: howdy |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
morning GPSFan |
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<GPSFan> |
g1powermac_PB: g'day |
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<drmikecrowe__> |
hey folks, what's shakin? |
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<jhaluska> |
g1powermac_PB: I may have the ebola plague. :( |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
ouch |
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<jhaluska> |
It's ok, I probably don't |
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<jhaluska> |
hi drmikecrowe |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hi folks! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
what's shakin? |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: hey, did you ever find out about getting me the blob code that your dev's actually used to build blob. IIRC that was about a month ago that I asked. |
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<jhaluska> |
How much disk space is needed for OE? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I tried, yeah. That was right about the time we started this revised pricing scheme. That consumed me and I just dropped it, sorry. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'll revisit again. I think the initial response from engineering was that it was archived somewhere, but not readily available. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: thanks. |
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<jhaluska> |
drmikecrowe: What do you call the cheap Z2s with the crazy subscription pricing? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
LOL -- good question. We kept getting requests to do less expensive+monthly charge. Originally, we believed "no monthly fees" would be the preferred method, but this is what people seemed to want |
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<jhaluska> |
Well I could have seen a monthly fee if it like...had a cellular modem in it. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I know (preaching to the choir). However, SMS Texting is a huge portion of the IM'ing that our users are doing. Unlimited texting for $9.99/mo vs. a cell phone standard contract is attractive (for those who don't have cell phones already) |
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<jhaluska> |
How do you do the texting? I was thinking I could just creating a texting program that goes through email. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We're working on several things that will add lots more value to the platform, and will be rolling this out through the year. |
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<jhaluska> |
I hope so. I recently got a Z2 with the subscription plan (by the arm twisting of TomW) and I was like "that's it?" |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Well, I really need to spend some time with this group getting some volunteers to help us develop some OE stuff for non-techies |
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<jhaluska> |
I mean hardware wise I think its great, software wise it needs improvement. |
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<jhaluska> |
An email client would go a long way. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
always -- we're working hard on that. If you look back a few days, I was looking for some volunteers who may want to delve into scripting the zipit. We're going to be adding social networking via a scripting interface |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yep, I think email could be done with this new interface. |
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<jhaluska> |
aha, well I haven't even gotten OE working on mine yet. heh |
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<drmikecrowe> |
scripting will be independent of OE (it will be an installed feature). |
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<drmikecrowe> |
regarding texting via email, when you use our service, you will notice that the cell phone sees the message as an email. the cell phone networks, however, throttle/monitor/limit that entry point unless you have an agreement with them. |
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<jhaluska> |
heh, I obviously haven't used it then :P |
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<jhaluska> |
Was just a theory. |
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<jhaluska> |
Since that was how I was thinking of doing it. |
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<jhaluska> |
Do you know how much they throttle/limit? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
:D no worries. I was more giving you a heads up if you were thinking about an offical product done this way. |
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<jhaluska> |
I was for work. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I can't figure out what their official policy is. It's been a challenging feature to add |
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<jhaluska> |
Well I want to turn mine into a nano computer. |
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<jhaluska> |
Are you guys working on a Z3 yet? |
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<jhaluska> |
I think thinner and larger screen is about the only improvement I can think about off the top of my head. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hehe, yep, we are |
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<jhaluska> |
Like I don't want the device bigger, just the screen could fill up more of the housing. |
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<jhaluska> |
Typing, i wish I could hold down the alt while pressing the other keys |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
oh cool |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
one suggestion is to improve the keyboard |
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<jhaluska> |
Would be neat if the circular arrow keys acted like a ipod touch wheel so it could be used like a mouse. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
its a bit hard to use |
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<jhaluska> |
g1powermac_PB: Although I love it compared to the Z1 |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
the key response isn't great |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
jhaluska: ahh, I never played with a z1 |
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<drmikecrowe> |
agreed. I'm working to improve it in the next os release. it can't keep up with my typing at all |
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<jhaluska> |
g1powermac_PB: Imagine no tactile feedback :P |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
heh |
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<drmikecrowe> |
you know, magon created a GPE based OE program that mapped the arrow keys to the mouse. it was apparently something GPE did. I really want to figure out how he did that |
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<jhaluska> |
Also, while you're targeting teens, keep it looking professional too. |
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<alyawn> |
So what is the GUI environment du jour for the z2 development going forward? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
it will remain our custom i/f. however, with the framebuffer interface, we should be able to have full-screen programs coexist in the future |
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<alyawn> |
I'm waiting form my z2 to arrive and would like to get my dev environment up and going |
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<alyawn> |
Ah, ok... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
doing the initial OE build takes a good bit. it can certainly be started prior to getting it |
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<alyawn> |
yeah... I've been downloading for a while :) |
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<alyawn> |
I was able to tweak the SDL image program to make a simple slide-show app with little difficulty, so I'm excited and ready to do more |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ah, very cool. we have a whole group of apps need to get co-exisitng: browser, possibly an email client, etc. we need a good way to share apps like that with existing programs. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
i.e. run while the Zipit app is running, I mean |
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<alyawn> |
sounds like you need a window manager :) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hmmm, read my mind.... ;) |
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<jhaluska> |
Streaming Internet, MP3, Browsing, email and IM and thats pretty much 95% of my computing needs :) |
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<jhaluska> |
err Streaming Internet Radio |
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<alyawn> |
hah... better get busy |
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<jhaluska> |
Well, I'd be happy with the command prompt at this point. heh |
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<alyawn> |
:) |
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<alyawn> |
sam here |
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<alyawn> |
smae |
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<alyawn> |
same |
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<alyawn> |
I like the idea of scripting, but that seems like a tall order |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I tend to like buildroot better |
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<alyawn> |
An easy dev. environment would make me happy... |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
alyawn: buildroot works |
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<alyawn> |
really... any walkthrus available |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
much more simple than OE if you're just building apps to run on the existing linux system on the zipit |
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<jhaluska> |
alyawn: T0mW has a walk through up, sorta |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
alyawn: http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/buildroot.html |
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<alyawn> |
jhaluska: right, but isn't that OE? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
its quite simple once you got a working buildroot config as I have up on my sf site |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
no |
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<jhaluska> |
alyawn: Yeah |
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<alyawn> |
g1powermac_PB: sweet... this looks much easier than the OE stuff for my needs |
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<jhaluska> |
drmikecrowe: Does the Z2 fully support SDHC cards? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
alyawn: yup, yup |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
alyawn: my plan eventually is to get qtopia running ontop of the existing zipit system |
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<alyawn> |
sweet... I love QT |
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<jhaluska> |
I think we should cross develop with the Chumby people. I think the systems are very simliar. |
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<alyawn> |
qtopia has a built-in desktop(menu) and window manager, right? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yup |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
and lots of other goodies |
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<drmikecrowe> |
and licensing fees ..... ;) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
nah, don't need it with their OSS license :-) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
heh? hadn't seen that yet |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yea, all their software is like that |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
dual licensed |
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<alyawn> |
as long as your project is oss, no fee |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ah |
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<alyawn> |
if you want $$$ you pay $$$ :) |
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<alyawn_> |
what sort-of footprint does qtopia have in ram? |
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<jhaluska> |
hi unrest |
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<jhaluska> |
I'm trying to free up some disk space so I can attempt to build OE on my laptop |
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<jhaluska> |
Anybody know how much Disk space I need to build the basic OE for the Z2? T0mW's website says 10 gigabytes |
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<alyawn> |
no clue... I tried to do it but make failed |
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<jhaluska> |
Mr Jp |
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<jp> |
how is it going my friend |
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<jhaluska> |
Fine |
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<jp> |
my z1 is dead |
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<jhaluska> |
I'm sorry to hear that. |
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<jp> |
i've lost all hope. luckily i have a z2 on it way |
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<jhaluska> |
Yey for Z2! |
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<jp> |
i'm off, hopefully next time you see me i'll have the z2 in my hand |
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<jhaluska> |
I get some error about: E: Couldn't find package mtn |
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<jhaluska> |
Using Ubuntu |
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<unrest> |
ping |
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<jhaluska> |
pong |
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<unrest> |
':) |
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<unrest> |
hen do you get this error? |
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<jhaluska> |
When doing the 'make' from his script |
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<unrest> |
you do make -j2 don't you? |
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<jhaluska> |
Nope |
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<jhaluska> |
I'm following tom's instructions on my laptop |
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<jhaluska> |
I think I might just be out of disk space |
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<jhaluska> |
Says I only have 76k free |
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<unrest> |
might be the problem |
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<unrest> |
bbl |
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<jhaluska> |
hmmm, I have a very old and bare metal debian box that I'm attempting to setup OE on. |
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<jhaluska> |
Apparently not even 'make' works. |
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<jhaluska> |
I don't have mtn in my /root/bin/bitbake/bin/ |
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<jhaluska> |
argh |
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<jhaluska> |
Current problem: http://zipit.pastebin.com/m1c05afa9 |
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<jhaluska> |
This is debian btw |
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<jhaluska> |
Where is T0mW? |
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<alyawn> |
oh yeah.. well when I try make, here is what I get: http://zipit.pastebin.com/m7127d1d3 |
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<jhaluska> |
Which distro? |
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<alyawn> |
ubuntu |
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<jhaluska> |
hmm |
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<alyawn> |
I'm using GNU make 3.81 in bash |
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<jhaluska> |
Looks like it is looking for /bin/bitmak/bin/bitmake |
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<alyawn> |
it seems like something is fishy |
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<alyawn> |
it's supposed to put it there |
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<jhaluska> |
err bitbake, well thats where mine is |
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<jhaluska> |
So you need to get bitbake installed |
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<jhaluska> |
What do you have in your /home/alan/bin/bitbake/bin/ directory? |
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<alyawn> |
nothing :) |
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<jhaluska> |
You have the directory tho right? |
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<alyawn> |
I must have missed the "install bitbake" portion of the instructions |
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<jhaluska> |
The make file should install bitbake for you if it doesn't find it. |
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<jhaluska> |
So something must have failed when trying to run it the first time. |
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<alyawn> |
that's what I thought |
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<jhaluska> |
Do you have what it said the very first time? |
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<alyawn> |
I'll do a fresh unzip and get the "first time" error |
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<alyawn> |
here it is: http://zipit.pastebin.com/m5f738df8 |
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<alyawn> |
same |
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<alyawn> |
does everyone get that error the first time? |
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<jhaluska> |
hmm I forget if I did, I don't think I did. |
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<alyawn> |
my machine got rebooted during the last OE database fetching |
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<jhaluska> |
ok lets try something |
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<jhaluska> |
Open up the Makefile |
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<jhaluska> |
Manually try getting bitbake with the wget command (leave out the --quiet) |
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<jhaluska> |
Try: wget http://download.berlios.de/bitbake/bitbake-1.8.10.tar.gz |
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<jhaluska> |
Let me know if that works |
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<alyawn> |
ok.. thanks |
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<jhaluska> |
Well that won't fix your problem its just getting the bitbake file |
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<alyawn> |
right |
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<jhaluska> |
Did it download? |
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<alyawn> |
anyone here tried the buildroot method? |
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<alyawn> |
It's asking me a question I don't know the answer to. |
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<alyawn> |
http://zipit.pastebin.com/de657feb |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
huh, I have not seen that before |
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<alyawn> |
all I did was grab the buildroot from svn and did a make... |
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<alyawn> |
which failed saying it was missing .config.cmd |
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<alyawn> |
so I ran `make menuconfig` then dropped-in the config from sf |
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<alyawn> |
then ran make and now this |
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<alyawn> |
I seem to hit all the road-blocks :) |
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<echelon> |
ugh, i sure hope the $38 z2a's don't get sold out while i'm waiting for my amazon card :\ |
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<CYoda> |
drmikecrowe_: Still around? :) |
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<echelon> |
no |
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<CYoda> |
hey drmikecrowe |
