ZipitForge - Trac

back in the ol' days i used my TI83 calculator with a VT100 terminal application to play around with debig and admin ports to equipment i shouldnt have been playing on ;}

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<Foxx>

if you check out my picasa gallery its mainly stuff ive been building

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<Foxx>

i take pics by request

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<Foxx>

a lot of the BSoD fans that like to learn from my segments are always asking me what im up to, so i take pics for them and try to explain

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so, what are you up to atm albeit the z1?

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<Foxx>

well, i was hoping to create a serial terminal to tbe the input and display of a modified Linksys WRT54GL

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<Foxx>

the zipit will run RFmon and tell me there is local signals

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<Foxx>

the WRT will have high gain antennas and let me lock onto a signal

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<Foxx>

from there i may be able to probe the network for information, and then modey on to the next

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<Foxx>

mosey*

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<Foxx>

i want to make a wifi scanner setup thats NOT my laptop

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<Foxx>

waving a laptop in the dark at 3AM is quite notisable for muggers and thiefs

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<Foxx>

and of course i have no intent on cracking wep

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<Foxx>

not only am i against the idea, the hardware itself isnt compatable

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it might be in the future though ;)

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<Foxx>

i still have no interest

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would it be possible to get a sip phone of some sort on the z2?

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i heard it has a mic port

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<Foxx>

im an amatuer radio guy, i like to go out and see whats going on in the loal area with RF

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<Foxx>

WiFi is a big parts of it

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have you considered sending data over AM frequencies?

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<Foxx>

for what purpouse?

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<Foxx>

and what frequency band?

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the purpose of it being long range

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<Foxx>

well there is Upper and lower Side band for that

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<Foxx>

PSK31 and HELL

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<Foxx>

i think i am going to grab this $50 Z2 while i can

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<Foxx>

if anything i have a handheld AIM client for my couch

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i'm waiting for my amazon card so i can save $30

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the problem with the z2a specifically is that the default software requires you to have a subscription

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<Foxx>

eh?

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haven't heard?

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<Foxx>

apparently not

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If you purchased your Z2 for $49.99, you will get 14 days free of unlimited IM and texting, but will be required to purchase a 1 year service plan in order to continue IM\u2019ing and texting. After the 1 year service plan has expired you will be able to IM for free without a service plan. If you wish to continue texting you will need to continue with your service plan.

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If you purchased your Z2 for $149.99 you are not required to buy a service plan, your Z2 will continue to function as normal, IM is free. If you purchased a texting plan that plan will remain intact as long as you keep it active.

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<Foxx>

oh, so this is for the txt'ing plan

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<Foxx>

?

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texting is a separate charge

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<Foxx>

ahh, right right

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<Foxx>

AIM and such re free

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not for the $50 zipits

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of course this doesn't apply if you just change the software on it

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<Foxx>

of course ;}

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<Foxx>

guess thats why they are selling so cheap

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<Foxx>

eh?

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yeah

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i guess not enough people were buying the $150 versions

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<Foxx>

and all those poor chaps' tat didnt read the fine print will be puttiong their used Z2s on ebay for rock bottom prices since they dont want to pay a rearly fee for something they paid for once

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<Foxx>

yearly*

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heh

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oh good.. they're still $37.99 on amazon

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i'm just waiting for my card so i can get it for just $8

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<Foxx>

have you seen them for less?

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<Foxx>

how long will that take?

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<Foxx>

i may do the same

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you're in the u.s.?

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<Foxx>

yah

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i ordered it around last friday, they said it would take 7-10 business days

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just for the approval

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after you're approved your card will immediately show up as a payment method on your amazon account

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i'm wondering how you could use it before having the card validated

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<Foxx>

eother way, il look into that

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<Foxx>

thanks fo the info

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<Foxx>

i need to crash

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<Foxx>

its way past my bedtime

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<Foxx>

thanks for the info everyone, ill be back sometime to pick up whatever I can

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gotta go now... rl business..

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later folks

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Foxx, your soldering crashcourse is nice =)

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Foxx, you still with us?

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Tom's script didn't work.

Some error with mtn

There he is

hah

I'm having problems with your Z2 script.

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<T0mW>

why?

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http://zipit.pastebin.com/d1d7c8831

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<T0mW>

ls -l OE*

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[jeffh@muxpadBox ZipitZ2]$ ls -l OE*

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-rw-r--r-- 1 jeffh jeffh 0 Jul 8 09:26 OE.mtn

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-rw-r--r-- 1 jeffh jeffh 9373 Jul 8 09:26 OE.mtn.bz2

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<T0mW>

what size is OE.mtn.bz2?

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<T0mW>

heh

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Looks a little small

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<T0mW>

[tom@slushy ZipitZ2]$ ls -l OE*

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<T0mW>

-rw-rw-r-- 1 tom tom 242909184 2008-07-07 22:04 OE.mtn

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<T0mW>

-rw-rw-r-- 1 tom tom 181667846 2008-06-15 01:07 OE.mtn.bz2

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<T0mW>

kind of

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<T0mW>

so, manually wget the thing:

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<T0mW>

wget http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2

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<T0mW>

then rm OE.mtn, and re-run the make

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<T0mW>

the Makefile is designed to allow it to be interrupted like that. However, it cannot detect a short/aborted download

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ok, I changed the make file to remove the --quiet

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Probably wouldn't hurt to remove that anyways, since its a big download.

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and typoes..

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T0mW, got my mail?

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<T0mW>

yes, I did, about the 164 minutes to build?

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yeah

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and hardware

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<T0mW>

I know that OE can cleanup the tmp files after building a package. This is to conserve on drive space, but, I cannot find the OE variable that you set for this.

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i wanted to append something like "your estimation on the site sucks", but i didn't.. ^^

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aren'T the temporaryfiles needed for further (aditional) builds?

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brb

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back

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Ok I want to try to get the build started

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That T40 has a 1.5 Pentium M right?

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T0mW: I'm reading your webpage

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Di I need to edit /etc/init.d/gpe-dm to comment out the line that says /usr/bin/gpe-dm?

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s/Di/Did

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jhaluska, nope 1.6ghz

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T0mW, you might want to add the 1.6ghz

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I was trying to do: bitbake base-image and it through up an error

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About the missing utlitilies: help2man, diffstat and texi2html

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<T0mW>

unrest: yeah, thanks. I got to run, later.

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T0mW`gone, later =)

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jhaluska, paste your errors somewhere

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k

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rafb.net/paste

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http://zipit.pastebin.com/m4a26b923

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did it make flawlessly before?

uhm, nope?

do you mean 'make'?

yup

hmm, I did have an interruption

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Two actually, one with something about synchronizing.

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paste em

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http://zipit.pastebin.com/m6f51a904

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so the second "make" completed properly

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issued "source bitbake-init-build-env" before bitbaking?

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yes

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At least I thought I did.

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or maybe not

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well. do it and thereafter try bitbaking again

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but use "time bitbake base-image" and not date; bitbake fnord, date

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yeah I did

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ok redid both statements, got the same error.

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hmm

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Reading his problems about building

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did you follow the instructions in the guide "oe and your distro" on oe's page?

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I wasn't even aware of this guide.

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that might be *the* reason ;)

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I ran: urpmi help2man diffstat texi2html

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Running: date ; bitbake base-image ; date

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"date"s are so Tom can update how long it takes.

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goddamnit

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tim bitbake base-image

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time*

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oh

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this is what you should run

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Well I learn something new every day :)

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:)

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what distro do you use?

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This is the mandriva Spring 2007 box I think.

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I use Ubuntu on my laptop and Debian to play with at work.

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http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OEandYourDistro#Mandriva_Linux

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i'll be back later, gotta call my gf now

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Alright, I'm going to do some work stuff.

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Does T0mW have an image of this already built?

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i'd think so

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i do, too

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I mean on his website

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idts

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Like, possible expand the website so people don't have to build the entire OE.

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And *gasp* maybe consider how somebody with just windows could hack this too.

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i was thinking of creating a software repository for the z2.. we'll see

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windows: either live cd or cygwin

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if you're too lazy/dumb to make an image yourself be son honest and say it

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s/son/so/

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Well, just trying to expand the community base.

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what for?

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Have more people buying and developing for it? :)

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those who are thoughtful enough to be an enrichment to the community will create images themselves

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imho*

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hmm, getting errors about ERROR 503: Service Unavailable.

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Looks like it is still running

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ok now its not.

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More pasting...

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http://zipit.pastebin.com/m30077f01

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What do I do? time bitbake base-image?

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And try again?

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Well T0mW's website says to keep trying bitbake base-image

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So that's what I will do.

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hmm build isn't working

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http://zipit.pastebin.com/m3f09d20

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hi alyawn

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hey

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I'm getting a z2 soon and wanted to get a head start...

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I have one now, trying to learn how to hack it but running into issues.

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brb, work stuff

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the defacto way to develop apps is now what? I was able to download and mod the SDL example app

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but I get the feeling that scratchbox isn't the direction you all are going

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I don't know if I have room to say, they apparently are using OE.

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anyway, I think I'll follow the directions given on openzipit.org to start... is that a good idea?

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If you want help from T0mW, yes

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But I've been following them and am having issues.

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alyawn, yes, it's the best idea atm imho

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I have to wait for T0mW to return.

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and developing.. well. you can compile things on the zipit when you have oe installed

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might not be lightning-fast, but it spares you the hassle of setting up a cross compilation toolchain

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unrest: I really want that ability :)

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Would love to be able to write a little bit of code anywhere.

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Even though I know chances are I won't be using it.

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so..

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how long are you playing with linux by now?

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I think on and off for 10 years.

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I still consider myself green tho.

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If I would stop forgetting everything I learn about it, I would be rocking :)

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like everyone of us ;)

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so, whats your problem atm with bitbake?

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unrest: http://zipit.pastebin.com/m52a3717d

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I'm looking at that first error log

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which is fucking with every other package imho

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you didn't install the libc development packages from your distro, did you?

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http://zipit.pastebin.com/d54e2889d

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hmm, I don't recall installing them (doesn't mean they weren't)

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does mean they weren't ;)

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and if you read tom's pages carefully, you would've stumbled across a comment stating that it doesn't complain about the package missung, but just fucks with you

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so you'll likely want to install it

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it'd have saved you *some* time imho ;)

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Alright, issuing the urmpi command on: http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/OEandYourDistro#Mandriva_Linux

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i pointed you to that page _long_ ago

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and assumed you followed the instructions there..

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I installed what it said was missing earlier.

so?

jhaluska?

Yes?

I have to wait for T0mW to get back

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He restricted some of the build environment for my work to old builds and I think Mandriva is complaining.

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i fiddled with your box?

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This is my work computer, the build environment is set up for one my products.

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why?

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<Foxx>

bad night sleep

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where are you located?

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<Foxx>

new york city

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isn't it like early evening and not night then?

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<Foxx>

yes, early evening, 4:44PM

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<Foxx>

im a night person

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average nerd :)

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why isn't there a topic list for each episode of bsodtv?

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<Foxx>

i havent put that up yet, but i have a semi-up to date file

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<Foxx>

hold on, ill toss it on my HFS for you

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:)

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<Foxx>

ill PM you the link

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kk

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<Foxx>

im seeing these $50 zipits from BuyNow.com and such

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<Foxx>

think they are the older Z2s but marked down?

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i'd think so

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<Foxx>

the whole idea of spending money on a device, then paying a service fee for a free service just puts a bad taste in my mouth

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those few bucks give you some good hardware to fiddle with..

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<Foxx>

true, i wont complain about that

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<Foxx>

its just the fact of the matter

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<Foxx>

ive been using MediaCoder for all my media transcoding needs

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<Foxx>

now the jam pack it full of ads and crap

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<Foxx>

even an RSS feed of 'Special Offers!!"

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ouch

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<Foxx>

i cant even go into the config menus without seeing an HTTP based ad

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<Foxx>

ive had pocket PC software that ive paid for, then had to pay for it on a monthly basis to use it

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<Foxx>

screw that

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alt.binaries.[...] ;)

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<Foxx>

i know developes like to be able to pay for food, and clothes and such, but it went from people wanting to make killer product into todays market of people wanting to make killer profit

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suits.

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<Foxx>

indeeed

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<Foxx>

well, i just shelled out close to $250 for a nokia n800

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<Foxx>

now possiblt $50 for a Z2

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you might want to hook up with a "friend" of mine then..

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irc.oftc.net #sd

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<Foxx>

eh'?

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"pupnik"'s the one i was referring to

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he's coding for the n800

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<Foxx>

nice

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<Foxx>

yah' im not much of a coder

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<Foxx>

but im learning as a go

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<Foxx>

im more of a hardware man

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i know

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bbl

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can someone confirm if the z2a has a mic port?

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<T0mW>

yes, it is on the headphone jack

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cool.. there are some console-based sip clients i could run then :)

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<T0mW>

Mike answered that for me a few days ago, no built-in mike though

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<T0mW>

:)

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<T0mW>

lots of nooks-n-crannies on the Z2 to play in..

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so you're using matchbox now?

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T0mW, who was the guy currently fiddling with the keybd driver?

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<T0mW>

working up to that point, yeah

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oh yeah.. are you using a modified X server like tinyX or just a stock version

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<T0mW>

yup, kdrive (tiny-X)

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cool

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<T0mW>

I have the minimal GPE running now, but no mouse support, yet.

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<jp_>

whats the max mini-sd card size does the z2 support?

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<T0mW>

there are other issues, one is that you can use the keyboard to login to gpe, but, it doesn't seem to want to go beyond that screen.

[18:01:06]

nothing shows in debug?

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<T0mW>

I've run XFbdev directly, then launched the matchbox toolbar app. With that, I was able to kickoff the terminal (similar to konsole).

[18:01:14]

jp_: 2gb iirc

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<jp_>

echelon: thanks!

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<T0mW>

echelon: my goal right now is to get the rest of you guys up to where I'm at so you can help!

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<T0mW>

heh

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i'm still waiting for my amazon card :\

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T0mW, which is exactly what i will do ;)

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<T0mW>

just doing the pages about the GPE. I think I'm going to put a few precompiled image packages on openzipit.org so you can skip the OE build part.

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<T0mW>

That may happen later this evening (6PM now localtime), I have to go out tonite for a while...

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<jp_>

zipit $37.99 on amazon

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i bough one for 54$ on ebay..

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but it was my only option, as amazon usa doesn't ship outside the us of a..

[18:04:25]

amazon isn't the one shipping

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<jp_>

yea its buy.com

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BuyNow Inc or something

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they don't either..

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<jp_>

oops your right it's buynow

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<T0mW>

I got two of those amazon specials, get 'em while they last! heh

[18:12:12]

T0mW, mind finding out how much shipping from you to me takes? ^^

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s/takes/is/

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<T0mW>

problem is the damned custom paperwork. Last one I shipped to someone was almost $100 (USD).

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ouch

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<T0mW>

Yes, that was to Belgium

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so i'm lucky with my almost 90$ via ebay..

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<T0mW>

UPS has easy paperwork but expensive, the postal service is probably cheaper, but all those darned forms you have to fill out!

[18:14:23]

they actually took 34$ only for shipping..

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<T0mW>

I can ship to Canada or Mexico because of NAFTA without anything more than a simple declaration. Europe, Aisa, South America is so complicated.

[18:15:39]

ic

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<jp_>

anyone going to the HOPE conference in NYC?

[18:17:58]

<jp_>

http://www.hope.net/

[18:22:16]

T0mW, how long do you have your z2 in use by now?

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<jp_>

seeing as the z2 can have a mic, it should be possible to make this thing a voip phone

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<T0mW>

unrest: a few months I guess. I haven't done much with it for a while becuase of work.

[18:24:40]

how long will they live, you think?

[18:28:37]

<jp_>

can anyone suggest other z2 development sites besides, http://www.openzipit.org/Z2Develop and http://linux.zipitwireless.com/

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nope

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<jp_>

thanks anyways

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<jp_>

it seems there was more attraction to z1 then z2

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<jp_>

is*

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as the z2 is too expensive, i'd say

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<jp_>

at $50? It was originally $150. $150 is way to much.

[18:32:18]

<jp_>

for $200 you can get the iphone

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not at 50 dollars

[18:32:44]

this price's nice and will get some quite a lot of units sold

[18:32:56]

and by that attraction to "hacking" it

[18:33:03]

<Foxx>

indeed

[18:33:28]

<jp_>

totally agree

[18:33:42]

<Foxx>

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