ZipitForge - Trac

GPSFan: supposedly, I will close on the house 3PM today. However, the septic company is going up there this morning, dig up the cover to the tank, pump it and inspect the baffles + tank interior.

[09:22:37]

<T0mW>

GPSFan: the septic FINALLY passed the hydrolic load test.

[09:23:11]

T0mW: ah, that's good, if the inside looks ok then you are all set to fill it up again... ;>)

[09:23:23]

<T0mW>

GPSFan: I cannot (and won't bother you with it) to tell you how much fscking trouble this whole affair has been.

[09:23:48]

T0mW: best of luck with it (you will need it)

[09:24:22]

T0mW: the keyboard on my 2nd z2 seems to be a bit less flakey than the first one.

[09:24:27]

<T0mW>

emotional roller coaster. I found that if you get too close to the thing, I get depressed, but if I step back, it is quite entertaining (as in: HTF are the owners going to screw up now?)

[09:24:50]

<T0mW>

GPSFan: naw, I find it still does the double/multiple entries the same as the other.

[09:25:51]

<T0mW>

must be a repeat-key timer value / logic in the kernel pxa-keyboard driver.

[09:26:06]

I haven't done extensive testing with #2 but the keys seem firmer.

[09:27:06]

I think the real problem is in the pxa kbd driver not being properly mod'ed for the z2. the interrupt for the rotary encoders is still enabled, and nothing connected to the signals. so there may be some interaction.

[09:28:23]

T0mW, mind highlighting/pm'ing me, when you've got the link fixed?

[09:31:29]

<T0mW>

hmmm, looks like problems up at the server. I cannot ping it.

[09:31:34]

<T0mW>

75.127.235.98

[09:31:49]

<T0mW>

looks like sprint is having some issues this morning

[09:32:56]

<T0mW>

Yeah, there is some routing issue getting into that network segment of the Sprint network.

[09:33:16]

<T0mW>

unrest: you might want to try later when they get things figured out.

[09:33:22]

will do.

[09:33:25]

thanks anyway

[09:34:40]

T0mW: Whats the maximum size mini SD card that Z2 can use?

[09:34:56]

<T0mW>

dunno, I'm using a 1Gig card with mine

[09:53:54]

T0mW: Later today I'm going to need some help with work stuff

[09:54:08]

<T0mW>

unrest: give me a little time here and I will tar up the last set of files and post them on the server.

[09:54:36]

<T0mW>

jhaluska: I probably won't be here in another hour or two. I have a busy afternoon.

[09:56:11]

Well, I guess I'll ask now then

[10:02:13]

T0mW, sure. take your time. i just threw wargames 1 into xine.. ;)

[10:03:03]

<T0mW>

unrest: should be okay now

i'll try. mompl

works like a charm

thanks :)

T0mW, any idea why make fails?

[10:46:54]

it searches in the wrong path for monotone/bitbake

[10:48:38]

like: /home/unrest/bin/monotone/bin/mtn

[10:52:48]

T0mW: Did you try hacking the new Z2as?

[10:54:30]

z2as?

[10:54:33]

link?

[10:56:04]

Well, I'm calling the subscription based ones Z2as

[10:56:17]

I'm assuming their firmware is possibly different.

[10:56:44]

what do you mean?

[10:57:03]

Apparently the $38 ones want to try to sell you a subscription to use IM.

[10:57:08]

I laughed at this thought.

[10:57:51]

<T0mW>

The new units will run the OE software we are building.

[10:58:07]

<T0mW>

they appear to have only changed their app and not the kernel.

[10:58:18]

Perfect

[11:03:14]

jhaluska: the first z2 I got was labeled z2a it was serial # 98. the one I just got from amazon was also labeled z2a and had the same upc barcode as the first one.

[11:03:29]

i recently ordered one via ebay

[11:03:34]

higher serial # btw

[11:03:42]

it'll be here in max 10 days, then i can tell you what i got

[11:05:46]

how's it look if they want me to subscribe to some service

[11:06:08]

unrest: What do you mean?

[11:06:24]

is there a popup saying "enter credit card information" or what?

[11:06:31]

They direct you to their website

[11:06:36]

uh huh?

[11:06:36]

And the background has some 14 day trial thing

[11:08:02]

you always had to register to get the IM stuff to work. it's serial #/mac address based. #'s after a certain value have to pay for IM, all have to pay for texting to cell phones.

[11:08:36]

and what fee do they want im'ers to pay?

[11:08:43]

Something crazy

[11:08:57]

Let me check

[11:09:29]

new z2's pay 9.99/mo or 109/yr for texting + IM, old s/n's don't pay for IM, and can pay 4.99 for limited texting.

[11:11:02]

Hmm for some reason it says I have 9783 TEXT messages remaining.

[11:11:11]

And that I had subscribed for 10010

[11:13:31]

I think it will backfire

[11:13:44]

For $150 you can get an old computer for IMing

[11:14:20]

They'd be better off giving the IMing away for free and charging for something else, like email or web access.

[11:16:35]

indeed they'd be

[11:16:45]

The rates they are charging are like cell phone rates.

[11:16:56]

but if those z2s still work with OE everything's fine

[11:16:57]

Would be different if I could use it anywhere like a cell phone.

[11:17:00]

I'm not complaining, the hardware is now $50US, I'm more enthusiastic about it now. I don't need or want their services.

[11:17:03]

Thats my thinking.

[11:17:22]

GPSFan: Exactly, I was like "big whoop, I'd hack it even if it was free."

[11:17:43]

that was my thinking, too

[11:20:40]

my new z2 came with rev 1.00 firmware, if I let it update to something else over the air, there might be a problem. but my old z2 is at 1.13 and the SD card trick works fine.

[11:20:55]

doh, I let mine update.

[11:21:08]

jhaluska: what rev firmware is it now?

How do I check?

home-info I think

oh I found it, 1.13

then it's as good as mine.

[12:21:10]

T0mW, could you lend me someof your time to look at this: http://rafb.net/p/Y60S9A80.html ?

[12:24:31]

<T0mW>

yeah, ok

[12:29:25]

<T0mW>

unrest: I'm checking the download on the website. I did some changes to the makefile and I thought that I had pushed that change onto the web.

[12:31:44]

<T0mW>

no, that is current.

[12:32:01]

<T0mW>

unrest: do you already have bitbake + monotone installed on that machine?

[12:37:49]

<T0mW>

unrest: uh, you don't use bash as your shell?

[12:47:59]

T0mW, yup bash

[12:48:04]

and i have them installed

[12:48:19]

i'll follow "oe and your distro" once again, but before that i'll purge all the packets

[12:48:24]

maybe something was b0rked

[12:50:02]

everything's purged, reinstalling the needed packets now..

[12:52:46]

same "happenings" as pasted on rafb

[12:53:07]

may it have something to to with BINLOC in the makefile which points to $HOME/bin/blablalba ?

[13:03:39]

T0mW, sic now bitbake and monotone are not installed. make fetches the OE database though

[13:04:14]

after extracting it make fails due to mtn's/bitbake's absence

[13:05:42]

okay. i didn't say a word

[13:05:46]

mtn is/was there

[13:05:51]

but in /usr/bin

[13:06:07]

after changing BINLOC in the Makefile to that dir it *seems* (tm) to work

[13:14:11]

doesn't work either

[13:16:27]

T0mW, what's your opinion: should i try to fix my problem with "your" version of OE or folow this guide: http://linux.zipitwireless.com/wiki/OpenEmbedded ?

[13:19:17]

<T0mW>

unrest: NO! ignore the wiki, that is a hack

[13:19:40]

how to fix it then?

[13:20:20]

it really does seem to be related to $BINLOC, but idk how/where the dog's buried..

[13:47:49]

<T0mW>

unrest: ok, I'm back for a short time. I had phone call. How you making out?

[13:48:11]

bitbaking

[13:48:20]

<T0mW>

is it working?

[13:48:25]

idk how, but sudo -i and then "make"ing worked out

[13:48:54]

thereafter i just chowned everything to me and now i am happily bitbaking

[13:48:55]

<T0mW>

of course, you did the 'source bitbake-init-build-env'

[13:49:13]

which didn't work as root, but after chowning as my user

[13:49:22]

<T0mW>

the bitbake-init-build-env is something I took from Poky.

[13:49:30]

thanks for getting back to me! i already thought i'd pissed you off..

[13:49:40]

<T0mW>

yes, you build as the user, nothing as root.

[13:49:59]

<T0mW>

once the build is finished, you will have to be root to put the image on the SD card.

[13:50:18]

sure.. :)

[13:50:21]

<T0mW>

that is the only time root is necessary

[13:50:46]

it'll take overnight though as my box is somewhat slow (1.6ghz, 768mb ram)

[13:50:48]

<T0mW>

the bitbake-init-build-env sets up environ variables so that bitbake can run properly

[13:51:39]

<T0mW>

unrest: I would be interested in what build you are doing (e.g. base-image) and how long the build took on what machine. That way, I can get some figures together so people can choose to go the route of building their own images or not.

[13:51:52]

base-image

[13:51:54]

<T0mW>

time bitbake base-image

[13:52:04]

<T0mW>

or whatever

[13:52:05]

may i cancel bitbake?

[13:52:11]

or will it fuck everything up?

[13:52:15]

<T0mW>

yeah, ^C a few times

[13:52:41]

<T0mW>

then, rm -rf tmp-zipit2-angstrom

[13:53:11]

and thereafter time bitbake?

[13:53:14]

<T0mW>

you can delete the tmp-zipit2-angstrom to start over if you want. Leave the meta dir and OE.mtn* stuff alone.

[13:53:42]

<T0mW>

unrest: oh, the time util tells you the runtime of a process

[13:53:47]

<T0mW>

time <command>

[13:53:54]

<T0mW>

time <command to do>

[13:54:04]

T0mW, i know what time does

[13:54:09]

<T0mW>

ok

[13:54:15]

i was just wondering if there was more to delete before timing bitbake

[13:54:20]

<T0mW>

didn't know the level at which you were at with linux

[13:54:28]

5 years

[13:54:48]

<T0mW>

nope, just the tmp-zipit2-angstrom is sufficient, then you start from the beginning again.

[13:55:00]

it ain't normal that time supresses output from timed commands, is it?

[13:55:49]

<T0mW>

everything goes into the tmp-* directory. Except the sources, they are something you probably want to keep around.

[13:56:04]

<T0mW>

no, it shouldn't suppress the command output

[13:56:13]

<T0mW>

unrest: what distro are you using?

[13:56:16]

either it does, or bitbake's not running

[13:56:20]

ubuntu 8.04

[13:56:24]

<T0mW>

ah

[13:56:44]

not much different from debian

[13:56:46]

<T0mW>

ps ax

[13:56:58]

<T0mW>

or top

[13:57:33]

the ghosts in the machine have been spooking again

[13:57:39]

<T0mW>

lol

[13:57:40]

try no. 3 works

[13:58:02]

uh. bitbake is a python script.. :)

[13:58:09]

<T0mW>

I did try ubuntu, I didn't like it and decided to stay with Mandriva

[13:58:13]

<T0mW>

correct

[13:58:20]

my first linux was SuSE...

[13:58:27]

<T0mW>

slackware for me

[13:58:29]

lived long with that crap

[13:58:34]

<T0mW>

then redhat, then mandriva

[13:58:42]

and then i tried ubuntu 4.04 or 4.10 (i don't recall..)

[13:58:46]

and stayed with it

[13:58:48]

<T0mW>

mandriva for the past 6..7 years now

[13:59:07]

anyway: it's linux we're using. :)

[13:59:24]

<T0mW>

heh, mine is 64bit, so no python accellerator for me.

[13:59:55]

32bit pentium m.. i love my thinkpad t40 and would never trade it for some phatass desktop box..

[14:00:44]

<T0mW>

yeah, that's what mine is T40

[14:00:57]

<T0mW>

nice little machine

[14:00:57]

I have a T42.

[14:01:02]

indeed

[14:01:21]

light, cheap, durable =)

[14:01:43]

should i mail you some more data on my system and the "results" of time, _when_ it's done?

[14:01:45]

I need to get a mini sd card to hack this puppy. I have a 4gb and I dunno if it will work.

[14:02:07]

<T0mW>

I take mine to the laundromat and use their wifi to shell back into my home computers.

[14:02:12]

jhaluska, sdhc is not supported by all devices that have a sd card slot, so just try it and tell us about it

[14:06:02]

T0mW, got a mail address for me to use?

[14:06:06]

omg..

[14:06:19]

Seems to detect it, but I haven't been able to get the default program to see an mp3

[14:06:19]

it's far more than 5 years linux

[14:06:31]

<T0mW>

unrest: tom@openhardware.net

[14:06:43]

it's ~4 years ubuntu. and before that i suffered from SuSE for two years..

[14:06:47]

T0mW, ok =)

[14:07:06]

<T0mW>

heh, tried suse, didn't like the way they did the runlevel stuff (dir contents)

[14:07:50]

How do I find out if this Z2 supports the SDHC, I have the card right here, it apparently detects the card.

[14:08:08]

i didn't like anything about it, but i had a big fat book and their (payed) support, so i didn't change the distro..

[14:08:22]

but when i heard about ubuntu it was a matter of days to switch ^^

[14:08:39]

jhaluska, fill it with data and boot OE from ir

[14:08:42]

it

[14:08:54]

aww, the hard way :)

[14:08:55]

if it works, fine. if not, well.. fate ;)

[14:09:26]

<T0mW>

I had gone to redhat from slackware because slackware was too conservative, I needed glibc6 and they were still doing libc5. Then redhat lost out as their hardware detection suked

[14:10:52]

uh huh. bitbake's already at configure or flex.. ^^

[14:11:08]

<T0mW>

how many tasks of total tasks are you at.

[14:11:09]

<T0mW>

?

[14:11:20]

<T0mW>

it does print that out as it goes along

87/562

cpu at 73°C..

ouch

<T0mW>

ok, the initial 280, or so, take a while, especially the glibc build

[14:12:28]

is it a _full_ build of glibc?

[14:12:43]

<T0mW>

yes, with i18n

[14:13:08]

'scuse my sometimes bad english.. i'm german you have to know :)

[14:13:37]

<T0mW>

unrest: effectively, you are building a reduced footprint debian system. Not stripped untils, just reduced number of things.

[14:13:54]

<T0mW>

unrest: nicht war

[14:14:04]

doch, ich bin ein deutscher, ehrlich!

[14:14:05]

;)

[14:14:37]

i thought OE was related to debian as i heard of ipkg, but i wasn't yet able to find out

[14:14:42]

<T0mW>

unrest: 3 years of high school German becuase I wanted to go into the sciences. Then I get into computers and it is all in english

[14:15:41]

T0mW, i'd say it sucks, but german's definitely worth knowing (to some extent) imho

[14:15:45]

<T0mW>

unrest: I can order a beer, find the bathroom and train station...

[14:15:56]

which is enough to get around ;)

[14:16:17]

<T0mW>

unrest: and, get my face slapped by a fraulien

[14:16:22]

how?

[14:16:29]

<T0mW>

:/

[14:16:33]

c'mon, tell me ;)

[14:16:46]

i won't laugh at you, just snicker, maybe

[14:16:52]

<T0mW>

heh

[14:17:02]

<T0mW>

this is a family chat channel. heh

[14:17:35]

/msg unrest tail -f T0mW

[14:17:37]

;)

[14:17:47]

<T0mW>

My grandfather's name was Matthies, first generation off the boat.

[14:18:39]

<T0mW>

unrest: you are doing fine with your english though, no problems, I suspect you were in europe.

[14:18:52]

<T0mW>

s/suspect/suspected

[14:19:40]

how's that?

[14:21:08]

<T0mW>

I don't see it in the scrollback, it was just that impression I got somehow.

[14:21:39]

<T0mW>

unrest: also a Ham operator: WN3L

[14:22:09]

wn3l?

[14:22:26]

<T0mW>

my amateur radio callsign, WN3L

[14:22:52]

so you're a pirate.. :)

[14:22:59]

do you broadcast on shortwave?

[14:23:04]

<T0mW>

I find a lot of engineers who are into computers also have a Ham license.

[14:23:26]

<T0mW>

unrest: only on the shortwave bands I am licensed for.

[14:24:00]

<T0mW>

160M, 80M, 40M, 20M, 17M, 12M and 10Meter bands.

[14:24:29]

<T0mW>

30 meters as well (10MHz) but that is a tiny band segment, only 150KHz wide

[14:24:30]

is there a reason to it or just passion?

[14:24:37]

<T0mW>

just a hobby

[14:24:59]

<T0mW>

unrest: before there was IRC, there was Ham Radio

[14:25:36]

and unix write and talk ;)

[14:25:48]

<T0mW>

fidonet?

[14:26:18]

afaik "write" and "talk" were ther before the 80s

[14:26:21]

but i might be wrong..

[14:26:43]

<T0mW>

nod, I didn't have access to unix, no university for me.

[14:27:48]

consider the possibility that i'm somewhat young.

[14:27:50]

<T0mW>

IIRC, the internet became available in my area around 1993 or 1994, before that I had a CompuServe account, very expensive.

[14:28:17]

<T0mW>

unrest: consider the reality that I am not that young. :P

[14:28:53]

<T0mW>

ok, I've got to go do laundry: I am out of clean "socks".

[14:29:02]

internet became "available" here in '95/96 (when i got my first computer). started using the internetz in '98 from the local library..

[14:29:11]

wear em inside-out ;)

[14:29:42]

139 of 562 btw

[14:29:59]

now glibc's unpacking

T0mW, mid 40s?

T0mW is past mid 40s

jhaluska, really?

yeah

how much past?

Well, I forget his age, but I think he is late fifties or early sixties.

[14:39:05]

so he's almost a dinosaur, you're saying?

[14:39:23]

I think you only become a dinosaur when you quit adapting to the times.

[14:39:45]

he's still an amateur radio operator... ;)

[14:40:18]

wow. glibc's done already

[14:53:28]

unrest: Chances are if you were older, you might of been one too.

[16:42:03]

T0mW`gone, it's done!

[16:42:55]

unrest: What is done?

[16:43:10]

my bitbake build of the base-image

[16:43:21]

Did that take hours to compile?

[16:44:51]

almost ^^

[16:45:03]

real 164m6.067s

[16:46:43]

T0mW`gone, mail's sent

[19:45:55]

<CYoda>

Does T0mW's zipit stuff work in Ubuntu?

[19:54:26]

<bryguy[lap]>

apperently

[19:54:37]

<bryguy[lap]>

(I just read the scrollback)

[19:55:42]

<CYoda>

np

[19:55:51]

<CYoda>

I might attempt to build it later tonight.

[21:17:45]

<CYoda>

Alright

[21:17:52]

<CYoda>

I'm going to break out my laptop and try to build it.

[21:19:42]

<bryguy[lap]>

good luck

[21:20:18]

<bryguy[lap]>

I had luck on my laptop

[21:20:27]

<bryguy[lap]>

not so much on my desktop

[21:45:43]

<CYoda>

bryguy[lap]: What were you running on your laptop?

[21:45:51]

<CYoda>

Well I don't have the disk space for OE

[21:46:03]

<CYoda>

Should have had a warning it needed like 3 gb or something

[21:46:12]

<CYoda>

Now i have to see if I can make space.

[21:46:15]

<bryguy[lap]>

I was running ubuntu on both

[21:46:23]

<bryguy[lap]>

7.10 on the desktop though

[21:46:24]

<CYoda>

T40?

[21:55:50]

<CYoda>

I guess I'll try at work.

[21:56:34]

<CYoda>

Cause I didn't know OE was so big.

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