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<unrest> |
good morning |
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<echelon> |
guten morgen |
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<unrest> |
guten morgen echelon |
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<unrest> |
weißt du, ob rein zufällig jemand erfolgreich nen usb stecker an den expansion port eines z2 gehängt und betrieben hat? |
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<CYoda> |
Well I got a Z2 today at T0mW's urging |
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<CYoda> |
I love how all over the box they say im for free and no monthly fees, then the next thing I see is them asking for a monthly fee. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
heh |
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<CYoda> |
Anybody know if I can use a SDHC 4gb card to hack it? |
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<echelon> |
a monthly fee for what? |
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<CYoda> |
IM and texting from what I can tell. |
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<CYoda> |
Maybe its just texting (which I could understand) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
echelon: the cheap ones require a subscription |
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<echelon> |
wtf? |
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<echelon> |
subscription for what? |
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<CYoda> |
Maybe thats what the A meant in it. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yup |
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<CYoda> |
Is it still hackable? |
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<echelon> |
the one from amazon? |
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<CYoda> |
yes |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
CYoda: sure, its only their software thats requiring the subscription |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
the second you bypass it, you're set |
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<CYoda> |
I'm set, cause their software...not that useful. |
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<echelon> |
that's messed up though |
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<CYoda> |
I want to make it a nano laptop. |
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<echelon> |
they should have it written somewhere |
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<CYoda> |
Yeah, the box is a lie |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
echelon: they do |
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<echelon> |
on amazon? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
well, on their website when you order it |
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<CYoda> |
I was wondering wtf it was so cheap. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
not sure about amazing though |
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<echelon> |
they should just sell the entire thing without software |
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<CYoda> |
How long does the battery last on the Z2? |
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<echelon> |
reasonably long |
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<CYoda> |
hmm, wait a second, this is the official channel right? |
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<echelon> |
official channel for openzipit i would think |
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<echelon> |
nat for zipit, inc or whatever the company is |
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<echelon> |
i see it now.. 1yr service plan commitment :\ |
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<CYoda> |
Did you just get yours? |
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<echelon> |
going to get mine as soon as i get my amazon card so i can save $30 :) |
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<CYoda> |
aw ok |
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<echelon> |
that's messed up.. $9.99/month.. it's not like it has its own internet connection.. you have to use your existing one |
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<echelon> |
oh well.. i guess ssh + screen + irssi + bitlbee will be enough for me :) |
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<CYoda> |
echelon: yeah I was very disappointed by the fee thing |
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<echelon> |
g1powermac_PB: can you switch between terminals tty? |
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<echelon> |
alt + f# |
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<echelon> |
T0mW said there was no alt key |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
echelon: hmm, never tried it |
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<echelon> |
you installed linux on yours though, right? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
linux is pre-installed :-) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I only modified it |
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<echelon> |
oh, i see |
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<echelon> |
so you got rid of the software? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
no, I left it there, I mainly just poked around the system a bit |
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<CYoda> |
I want to be able to use it as a streaming internet radio box, has that been done? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
loading kernel modules and setting stuff up from the sd card |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
CYoda: not yet |
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<echelon> |
hmm.. not sure if there are any console-based mp3 players that handles streaming |
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<echelon> |
mplayer can do it, but it's a bit heavy for zipit |
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<CYoda> |
echelon: The Chumby has one |
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<echelon> |
the what? |
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<CYoda> |
http://www.chumby.com/ |
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<CYoda> |
It's ARM based as well. |
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<CYoda> |
I believe it is called btplay |
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<echelon> |
oh that thing |
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<CYoda> |
They seem fairly similiar |
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<GPSFan> |
g1powermac_PB: hey.. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
hey GPSFan |
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<CYoda> |
http://www.bluetune.com/downloads/releases/ |
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<CYoda> |
http://www.bluetune.com/downloads/binaries/arm-unknown-linux/ |
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<CYoda> |
Somebody try that out. :) |
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<GPSFan> |
got my new z2 today.. same box as the orig. says no monthly fees. hahahaha |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
GPSFan: hehe |
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<CYoda> |
GPSFan: I knew it was too good to be true :) |
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<GPSFan> |
I had internet radio streams playing on the Z1 using madplayer. it was barely able to keep up with a 96kbps stream. |
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<CYoda> |
Hmm, could you suck out the Z2 image and flash it to the Z2A? |
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<CYoda> |
GPSFan: Isn't the Z2 a lot beefier tho? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
CYoda: I really don't see why not. . . |
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<CYoda> |
Well they probably have a unique Serial Number. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
CYoda: actually you could prolly just suck out their program |
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<CYoda> |
So if you just suck it out of two devices and compare the binaries you should be able to identify it. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
and leave the rest of the system intact |
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<CYoda> |
oh interesting, I might try that. |
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<GPSFan> |
CYoda: well their original business plan was to sell to kids to keep the cell phone texting bills down. now they have embraced that model. it's good for us in that the price is now <50$ |
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<GPSFan> |
the z2 should have no trouble with a 128kpbs stream using madplay |
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<GPSFan> |
what is a z2A? that's what mine was sold as from amazon and it's running 1.00 firmware. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
GPSFan: supposedly its the one with the subscription stuff |
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<CYoda> |
Thats what I'm calling it, cause I asked T0mW the same thing. |
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<GPSFan> |
g1powermac_PB: don't believe it, IMHO it's all on their servers. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
GPSFan: hmm, don't know then |
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<CYoda> |
I'm pysched about turning this into a nano laptop. |
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<CYoda> |
Even if it is console only, I could live with that. |
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<GPSFan> |
I haven't opened the new one up yet. when I do I expect to see the board that doesn't have yellow wires |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I wonder which one I'm going to get. . . |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
does anyone have any interesting ideas on what to do with a zipit but without its main board? |
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<CYoda> |
GPSFan: What are the differences? |
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<CYoda> |
How big of a SD card do I need? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
CYoda: not huge |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
it all depends on what you want to do with it |
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<echelon> |
http://www.musicpd.org/ |
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<echelon> |
that'll work as a console streaming audio player |
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<CYoda> |
Linux, irc, ssh, email, web browsing. |
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<GPSFan> |
CYoda: the original z2 board was rushed out with lots of rework (yellow wires) the FCC docs even show 2 versions of the board. The newer one started showing up recently. the old board looks lik in these pix: http://www.drtune.com/zipit2/ |
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<echelon> |
is the zipit logo on the lid removable? |
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<echelon> |
i'd like to put a tux sticker on it |
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<GPSFan> |
the newer board looks like this: http://www.seattlewireless.net/moin.cgi/Zipit2Messenger?highlight=%28zipit%29 |
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<CYoda> |
Whoa |
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<CYoda> |
Some of those resistors look scary. |
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<GPSFan> |
CYoda: they are very small, hacking the z1 was a real challenge. hacking the Z2 was a pita, but thanks to some talented folks not as bad as soldering to the z1. |
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<CYoda> |
I was under the impression no soldering was needed for hacking the Z2. |
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<GPSFan> |
only to access the serial port or jtag. you cah run your own userland just by putting the "right stuff" on tha sd card. |
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<CYoda> |
hmm, I might want the serial port or jtag. |
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<CYoda> |
We'll see. |
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<GPSFan> |
CYoda: I've downloaded my own kernel via the serial port, as well as userland. other folks have easily used the sd card method. |
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<CYoda> |
Right now I've just hooked it up to some big speakers and streaming some internet radio in my living room. |
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<GPSFan> |
using the normal zipit app? |
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<CYoda> |
Yeah |
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<GPSFan> |
CYoda: what version of the zipit software do you have, my new one has 1.00 (not yet connected to the net) my older one has 1.13. |
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<CYoda> |
hmm, I wonder what size my other mini sd card is. |
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<CYoda> |
At my house, I have a 128 MB and a 4 GB mini sd card. |
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<CYoda> |
The 128MB is set up for the Z1 |
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<echelon> |
so madplay runs poorly on zipit? |
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<echelon> |
:D |
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<echelon> |
you can pipe mpg321 with wget ^_^ |
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<echelon> |
needs the buffer tool though, since it'll skip in real-time |
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<echelon> |
blah |
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<echelon> |
dunno where i can find this "buffer" tool |
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<echelon> |
well.. i find the source in the debian repository |
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<echelon> |
ok.. debian's patch fixed it |
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