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<j_> |
Ehwo. |
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<j_> |
Anyone awake? |
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<j_> |
Ehwo. |
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<j_> |
Anyone here awake? |
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<j_> |
I guess that's a no. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
j_: yep, just got here |
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<drmikecrowe> |
bryguy[lap]: ping (LMK when back) |
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<bryguy[lap]> |
I'm here for a little while, I have to head to work soon |
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<drmikecrowe> |
send me an email to linux@zipitwireless.com and I'll keep you on the list re: social networking and scripting |
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<drmikecrowe> |
we're still deep in specification/design, so it's will take a bit to get to a distributable point. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
aesonn: saw your question on an IRC client. I don't think there's a pre-built client there atm. It's certainly doable, tho |
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<bryguy[lap]> |
k |
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<aesonn> |
thanks |
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<echelon> |
can you adjust the brightness in linux now? |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: ping |
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<echelon> |
T0mW: pong |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: how are things? I see you are into programming the zipit? |
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<echelon> |
i have to get one first ^_^ |
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<T0mW> |
oh, well, they had some promotional units show up on amazon.com lately. They were selling them for $38 |
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<T0mW> |
I bought two. |
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<echelon> |
yeah, that's what i'm thinking about getting |
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<T0mW> |
heh, don't think too slowly. I've got mine booting linux now, no mods needed, just a correctly formatted SD card. |
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<echelon> |
mini or micro? |
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<T0mW> |
it is a miniSD card, the prob with the microSD sockets is there is no CARD_DETECT. |
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<echelon> |
ah |
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<T0mW> |
of cource the problem with the miniSD card socket is that while it has a CARD_DETECT, there is no WRITE_PROTECT. heh |
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<T0mW> |
not an issue for the Z2 |
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<T0mW> |
I've got an Xorg frame buffer working on mine, pretty simple to do. The problem I have to overcome is the lack of a touch screen on the Z2 or a mouse. |
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<T0mW> |
Magon, reportedly, has found a way around this and has a solution. But, he hasn't been here the past few days. |
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<echelon> |
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<echelon> |
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<echelon> |
oops |
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<echelon> |
you could probably use the scroll keys |
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<T0mW> |
yes, that is what he did. |
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<T0mW> |
apparently, the gpe implementation of Xfbdev allows more flexibility when chosing a pointing device. |
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<T0mW> |
I've always found X to be "magic" |
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<T0mW> |
black magic |
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<echelon> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: so, what do you have in mind for the Z2? |
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<echelon> |
just want it for ssh :) |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, portable terminal box. I want the same, I want to put OpenVPN on it so it can join the VPN that I manage. |
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<T0mW> |
That way, the next time the client calls me, I might be able to correct issues that he has with the network without having to run to a computer (home). |
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<T0mW> |
I would also like to put an IMAP email client on it too. |
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<T0mW> |
IRC chat would be cool. |
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<echelon> |
openvpn doesn't seem resource friendly :\ |
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<aesonn> |
hi guys. I was thinking along the same lines too. |
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<echelon> |
hamachi would be good |
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<aesonn> |
sorry to butt in like that |
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<T0mW> |
I've not looked at it that way, it does what it does. I had it running on the zipit model #1. |
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<T0mW> |
that had only 16Meg of RAM |
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<T0mW> |
aesonn: hello |
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<T0mW> |
aesonn: not at all, this is IRC. |
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<echelon> |
but hamachi is binary-only.. not sure if it's for anything else besides x86 |
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<T0mW> |
what is hamachi? |
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<echelon> |
hamachi is a p2p vpn |
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<echelon> |
and it does nat traversal so you don't need any open forwarded ports |
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<T0mW> |
oh, I use openvpn. It will run on ARM as well (ssl3 encrypted network). |
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<aesonn> |
have either of you had any luck in getting things like ssh and irc installed? |
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<T0mW> |
I use openvpn as UDP |
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<echelon> |
you could probably use ssh + pppd for vpn |
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<T0mW> |
aesonn: I have a full suite of software running on it now. |
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<echelon> |
oh, you already got openvpn working on your z2? |
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<aesonn> |
really? |
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<T0mW> |
no irc yet, as we have to get the mouse input worked out. |
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<aesonn> |
wow |
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<T0mW> |
aesonn: yeah, ssh (openssh / dropbear) and openvpn. |
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<echelon> |
T0mW: why not just use irssi? |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: probably could, but I have been focusing on the technical details of the filesystem and getting a desktop manager working properly first. |
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<T0mW> |
I know that ircssi is a text app. |
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<aesonn> |
I've never used but I'm told it's doable |
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<T0mW> |
It is, but it is clumsy to use. At least it was that way on the Z1. |
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<T0mW> |
of course, we did not have a 80x25 line text console ont the z1 like we do now. |
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<echelon> |
oh, i also saw that wavemon was ported |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: do you know what OE (OpenEmbedded) is? |
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<echelon> |
i maintain wavemon for my distro ^_^ |
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<aesonn> |
T0mW: do you have any of this on the web for download? |
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<echelon> |
i've never done any work for embedded systems unfortunately, but i could handle it |
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<T0mW> |
not as yet as a polished final thing. I have been documenting what I've been doing with OE on http://www.openzipit.org |
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<T0mW> |
take the Z2Develop menu selection. |
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<aesonn> |
Damn my slow wireless network!! |
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<T0mW> |
the plan is to distrib a small filesystem (about 2Meg) and an install tool to prep an SD card. |
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<T0mW> |
then, when people get the Z2 up on that system, the can now install further packages on the Z2 using ipkg. The ipkg tool is similar to the Debian apt-get. |
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<T0mW> |
the basic system image would get you a full working text console system with DHCP for the wifi. |
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<echelon> |
no dependency-checking hopefully? :\ |
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<aesonn> |
hmm |
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<aesonn> |
I think I timed out |
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<T0mW> |
no it does dependency checking, so if you install a package that needs another package loaded (some library for example), it will ask if it can load the new package as well. |
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<echelon> |
oh, just kind of biased against dependency checking heh |
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<T0mW> |
I have already setup an ipkg repository when I was working with the Z1 model, just to see how it would work. It worked okay. |
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<T0mW> |
I've compiled an run C, C++ and perl programs on the Z2. |
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<echelon> |
cool |
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<T0mW> |
OE is pretty powerful, it has over 4000 packages available to choose from to create your final operating system image. |
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<T0mW> |
OE is a royal PITA sometimes to work with, but it has gotten a lot better this past year. |
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<aesonn> |
sounds great |
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<T0mW> |
oh, the Z2 is far beyond what their first model was like. I had to do micro-surgery (under the microscope) to add an RS232 port to the thing so you could install your own kernel. Also, I would add a microSD card slot so that you can boot from it. |
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<echelon> |
do you have to do all the compilation on the z2 itself? |
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<T0mW> |
the result was a rather crude system, slow, but it worked. The SD card slot in the Z2 is much faster. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
T0mW: heh |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
T0mW: supposedly I'll be getting my z2 back this week |
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<T0mW> |
echelon: no, OE doesn't work that way. I was just pointing out that you could use the Z2 to write programs on it if you wanted to. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
so I can finally do some meaningful stuff |
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<T0mW> |
g1powermac_PB: LOL, poke Dave. He is getting old and forgetful. |
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<echelon> |
oh ok |
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<T0mW> |
g1powermac_PB: you didn't get one of the Amazon cheapies? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
T0mW: ya, he actually bought one off ebay and had the seller ship it to me |
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<T0mW> |
cool |
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<T0mW> |
mine will be delivered tomorrow |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
so now I'll have one total one and one missing its motherboard ;-) |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I guess I could use the lcd and other parts for something interesting |
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<T0mW> |
I'm going to get one of those wired for JTAG. |
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<T0mW> |
g1powermac_PB: what, he had to wipe the board to buzz it out? |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
yea, I would like to create my own custom system on the internal flash |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
nah, he decided to keep just the board from mine |
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<T0mW> |
I just use the flash as-is and boot from the SD. For what I want to do with the Z2, the flash is too small to hold the filesystem. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
he didn't want the rest of the parts |
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<T0mW> |
Well, I have a circuit board to finish (HammerLCD) so TinCanTools can show it off at the Linux show in August. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
kewl |
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* |
g1powermac_PB has been busy working on setting his studio for his video podcast |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
I'm hoping to feature some of the zipit hacking on it in later episodes |
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<bryguy[lap]> |
that's pretty cool |
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<aesonn> |
thanks for the info on the zipit2. I'll check out the website some time tomorrow. |
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<g1powermac_PB> |
you guys can see my studio here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/77471288@N00/2624468797/ |
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