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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: ping |
| [21:23:33] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: hey, how's it goin... |
| [21:23:44] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you'll be interested in this... |
| [21:23:54] |
<GPSFan> |
k |
| [21:24:18] |
<T0mW> |
Same OE build: AMD X2 4800 == 202 minutes, Intel Q6600 (Quad) == 90 minutes |
| [21:24:37] |
<T0mW> |
less than half the time |
| [21:24:49] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: so you got your MegaBox running, I see... |
| [21:25:47] |
<T0mW> |
heh, yeah. It came Friday, I yanked the AMD X2 6400 out and shoved the Intel Quad in. |
| [21:25:51] |
<GPSFan> |
how much ram in each? |
| [21:26:12] |
<T0mW> |
AMD X2 4800 == 4Gig, Intel Q6600 == 8gig |
| [21:26:43] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: Same test, using AMD X2 6400 w/8gig ram == 120minutes |
| [21:26:55] |
<GPSFan> |
wow that's a lot... |
| [21:26:56] |
<T0mW> |
no |
| [21:26:57] |
<T0mW> |
no |
| [21:27:05] |
<GPSFan> |
no no no |
| [21:27:06] |
<T0mW> |
2hrs 15mins... |
| [21:27:12] |
<T0mW> |
135 mins |
| [21:27:42] |
<T0mW> |
I was thinking two hours, but it was actually 2hrs 15mins for that build |
| [21:28:21] |
<T0mW> |
Interesting thing is that a 56min build on the AMD X2 6400 took 50min on the Q6600 |
| [21:28:31] |
<GPSFan> |
so the ram had quite an effect, I'd compar the 135min to the 90min. still that sounds like a nice box, it just a headless server or a desktop with graphics? |
| [21:28:37] |
<T0mW> |
seems most of the parallel threading happens *after* you build glibc :( |
| [21:29:16] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: desktop, no change between init 3 and init 5, same times (within a minute). |
| [21:29:38] |
<T0mW> |
Interesting that X didn't affect things |
| [21:29:41] |
<GPSFan> |
things have been quiet here for a while. |
| [21:29:47] |
<T0mW> |
:D |
| [21:29:53] |
<T0mW> |
I like it when life goes that way |
| [21:30:40] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I've been very busy since I got back |
| [21:31:10] |
<T0mW> |
I started looking at houses and talking tenatively with mortgage company |
| [21:31:26] |
<GPSFan> |
I got a startup script running that allowws the Zipit2 app to start up and let me ssh in. I'm trying to figure out the led's, bat charging, and backlight stuff. |
| [21:32:13] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you have any data on the pxa270 internals ? Doesn't seem to be a datasheet publically available anywheres. |
| [21:32:15] |
<GPSFan> |
oooh house... mortgage... debt..... |
| [21:32:55] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: nail bookcases to walls, cut holes for air conditioner, the bad things your landlord freaks over. |
| [21:32:58] |
<GPSFan> |
yeah there is a usermanual and datasheet from intel. I forget where I got them but it only took a bit of googling. |
| [21:33:19] |
<T0mW> |
All I found was a wimpy cutsheet |
| [21:33:28] |
<GPSFan> |
I can dcc them to you if you want. |
| [21:33:44] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I have no debt, that is un-American! |
| [21:33:54] |
<GPSFan> |
indeed... me too... |
| [21:34:05] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: naw, just good to know that you have it if needed. |
| [21:34:39] |
<T0mW> |
mortgage payments would be cheaper than the taxes |
| [21:34:57] |
<GPSFan> |
pxa270_ds.pdf & pxa270_um.pdf |
| [21:35:00] |
<T0mW> |
well, not quite, but you know what I mean. |
| [21:36:05] |
<GPSFan> |
2M for the ds & 11M for the um. |
| [21:37:23] |
<T0mW> |
just pulled them off of phytec |
| [21:38:03] |
<GPSFan> |
ok, there is a lot of stuff in that chip, including a camera interface that zipit brought out the rear connector. |
| [21:38:46] |
<T0mW> |
I've been focusing on getting a decent build machine together for OE. Now that I have that, I can play a little. Right after I finish the two schematics for this one customer. :/ |
| [21:39:12] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: ah, so you been wigglings pins again? |
| [21:39:49] |
<Backer> |
Hello |
| [21:39:55] |
* |
T0mW hides |
| [21:40:19] |
<Backer> |
;o) |
| [21:40:20] |
<T0mW> |
Backer: wassup? |
| [21:40:21] |
<GPSFan> |
ah, has roxfan made any progress on the gpios? yeah I use devmem2 and have mapped out the GPIOs and most of their initial states/ |
| [21:40:27] |
<Backer> |
not too much |
| [21:40:35] |
<Backer> |
got my z2 a few days ago |
| [21:40:40] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I have heard nothing from him |
| [21:40:51] |
<GPSFan> |
hrumph |
| [21:40:59] |
<T0mW> |
shrug |
| [21:41:23] |
<T0mW> |
sometimes you will have this. He is prolly swamped with other stuff, as we all tend to get. |
| [21:41:37] |
<Backer> |
I noticed the mic in lines on that back port as well... |
| [21:41:41] |
<T0mW> |
Backer: so, what you gonna do with it? |
| [21:41:45] |
<GPSFan> |
yeah, that's more common than having lots of free time. |
| [21:42:11] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you have a wife, so, she takes the free stuff |
| [21:42:13] |
<T0mW> |
heh |
| [21:42:15] |
<T0mW> |
;) |
| [21:42:28] |
<Backer> |
well I figure if I can get vice running on it at some point that would be nice ;o) |
| [21:42:31] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: no, the farm takes most of the free stuff. |
| [21:42:37] |
<T0mW> |
HA! |
| [21:42:47] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: always fences to mend |
| [21:43:01] |
* |
T0mW was farm boy |
| [21:43:46] |
<T0mW> |
Backer: yeah, we are basically still doping things out inside the unit. |
| [21:43:53] |
<Backer> |
what are you two trying to do with it? |
| [21:44:00] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: there is always something. |
| [21:44:22] |
<Backer> |
indeed... I was just happy to see there was at least some kind of audio input |
| [21:44:22] |
<T0mW> |
I would like to get a desktop (X server) running on it and get mouse emulation working with the keyboard |
| [21:45:17] |
<Backer> |
so far it is just a raw framebuffer? |
| [21:45:23] |
<T0mW> |
I think I had X running on it before I got sidetracked 3..4 weeks ago. Too much has gone down since then |
| [21:45:40] |
<Backer> |
nice! |
| [21:45:45] |
<T0mW> |
definately will only ever have a framebuffer. Most ARM SOCs are that way |
| [21:46:13] |
<T0mW> |
no accelerated graphic chipsets in these tiny things. |
| [21:46:17] |
<Backer> |
any reports on audio output? |
| [21:46:30] |
<T0mW> |
that should be working by now |
| [21:47:04] |
<Backer> |
I have yet to get the OE build set up. I'm hoping for the weekend... |
| [21:47:17] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: the audio needs a mixer to talk to the WM87?? DAC, there is nothing in the current audio driver code to do that, |
| [21:47:25] |
<T0mW> |
there must be some irc logs around someplace for this channel. I haven't been here in about 3 weeks, they were doing something with the audio back then to get it running. |
| [21:47:30] |
<T0mW> |
ah |
| [21:48:00] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: I had to do the same for the Z1. similar config of ARm & external dac. |
| [21:48:06] |
<T0mW> |
nod |
| [21:48:38] |
<T0mW> |
I'm going to focus on getting angstrom working on the Z2, then maybe that will generate more interest, more help |
| [21:49:11] |
<T0mW> |
at least, that will fit into my commercial projects: angstrom + X |
| [21:49:26] |
<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you ever mess with Xscale? |
| [21:49:31] |
<T0mW> |
iop320? |
| [21:49:37] |
<T0mW> |
iop13xx ? |
| [21:49:59] |
<T0mW> |
or debian arm ? |
| [21:50:31] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: a bit with the NSLU2 and a Gateworks 2348-4. they are both intel xscale. |
| [21:50:41] |
<T0mW> |
I have a commercial project with an IOP348 (dual ARM cores + 8 SATA ports + Gigabit LAN) to run Debian ARM v4 |
| [21:50:43] |
<GPSFan> |
not marvel PXA |
| [21:51:02] |
<T0mW> |
this is definately an Intel monstrosity: 1200MHz |
| [21:51:09] |
<GPSFan> |
yikes.. |
| [21:51:16] |
<T0mW> |
prolly only dual 600MHz cores. |
| [21:51:24] |
<T0mW> |
arm5tel |
| [21:51:52] |
<T0mW> |
never saw one until Thursday, interesting animal |
| [21:51:55] |
<GPSFan> |
I'm sure they aren't clocking it at 1200, 600 maybe, ( my 2348 clocks at 533) |
| [21:52:11] |
<GPSFan> |
pricey I bet. |
| [21:52:24] |
<T0mW> |
yes, they say 1200, but that is two ARM processors inside one chip, so prolly two 600MHz cores. |
| [21:52:41] |
<T0mW> |
they are using it for an ISCSI NAS |
| [21:52:42] |
<GPSFan> |
I'll believe that. |
| [21:52:58] |
<GPSFan> |
should be a good app for it/ |
| [21:53:10] |
<T0mW> |
I guess one core to run the SATA drives, the other to feed the Gigabit |
| [21:53:24] |
<T0mW> |
256Meg of RAM |
| [21:53:40] |
<T0mW> |
IIRC, DDR or DDR2 RAM |
| [21:54:03] |
<T0mW> |
I hope he lets me take it home to play with. :) |
| [21:54:11] |
<GPSFan> |
T0mW: do you have one of those boards? are they available? |
| [21:54:37] |
<T0mW> |
They are some kind of dev board, this one is branded: "Silver Lake" |
| [21:54:48] |
<T0mW> |
Intel makes the dev board |
| [21:55:41] |
<T0mW> |
Not sure who the end-customer is, I'm working with a consultant (windows guy, ex-VAX programmer) |
| [21:56:35] |
<GPSFan> |
interesting, |
| [21:56:54] |
<GPSFan> |
mmmmm VAXEN... |
| [21:58:14] |
<T0mW> |
;) |
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* |
GPSFan listens for the sound of thundering vaxen hooves. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: btw the 2348 was an IXP425 @533Mhz. I did have debian armeb running on it. It was a prototype for a multi radio wireless access point/backhaul box. |
| [22:02:23] |
<T0mW> |
well, I will see how this goes. He is supposed to talk with the end-customer as to their requirements. Odd situation, but, I always seem to get caught up in those things. Original developer bailed on the project, didn't collect his fee, and didn't complete the work. They have a working system, but no way to replicate it but from the binary images. |
| [22:03:05] |
<GPSFan> |
not opensource based? or was it? |
| [22:03:30] |
<T0mW> |
I found git patches for the intel iop kernel up on sourceforge, just will have to try to compile it and test it out. |
| [22:03:46] |
<T0mW> |
recent kernel stuff too, 2.6.24 |
| [22:04:06] |
<T0mW> |
lots of strange stuff on sourceforge |
| [22:04:23] |
<T0mW> |
OSS vomit |
| [22:04:32] |
<GPSFan> |
the IOP series xscale are differnet animals than the IXP devices. |
| [22:04:44] |
<T0mW> |
yeah, integrate SOCs |
| [22:04:49] |
<T0mW> |
yeah, integrated SOCs |
| [22:05:09] |
<T0mW> |
one-chip-wonders |
| [22:05:12] |
<T0mW> |
heh |
| [22:05:25] |
<GPSFan> |
does it have a pci bus for external peripherials? |
| [22:05:29] |
<T0mW> |
yes |
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<T0mW> |
and pci-e |
| [22:05:52] |
<GPSFan> |
what about co-processors NXP & crypto? |
| [22:05:57] |
<T0mW> |
DDR2 bus to 4Gig |
| [22:06:05] |
<T0mW> |
no co-pro |
| [22:06:37] |
<GPSFan> |
ok, does it have the io bw to support GigE |
| [22:07:09] |
<T0mW> |
yes, 6.4gigabits internal bus |
| [22:07:33] |
<GPSFan> |
internal GigE controller of via the pci-e |
| [22:07:34] |
<T0mW> |
128bit 400MHz internal bus |
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* |
GPSFan should look up the chip. |
| [22:08:14] |
<T0mW> |
not sure, I have yet to see a schematic on this board. There is a SATA support chip on the board, I think it is a driver though, not a subsystem. |
| [22:08:24] |
<T0mW> |
like a PHY |
| [22:08:48] |
<T0mW> |
interesting as all hell though! |
| [22:08:58] |
<GPSFan> |
indeed. |
| [22:09:00] |
<T0mW> |
667..1200MHz core speed |
| [22:09:15] |
<T0mW> |
that would rock |
| [22:09:45] |
<T0mW> |
give me your poor, tired hardware, monster SQL dataset... |
| [22:10:06] |
<GPSFan> |
and if it has the io bw to handle multiple SATA and GigE that would make a mighty fine NAS |
| [22:10:26] |
<T0mW> |
Interesting thing is that you don't see any dev boards offered on the Intel site for those processors |
| [22:11:11] |
<T0mW> |
almost as if Intel is not interested in the "small stuff" and only the big players. |
| [22:11:17] |
<GPSFan> |
they have them, it's up to your Intel rep to qualify you as a customer, then you can get some really neat stuff. |
| [22:11:30] |
<T0mW> |
I guess that is why Marvell is doing the IOPs now? |
| [22:11:46] |
<T0mW> |
doh |
| [22:11:50] |
<GPSFan> |
sort of like Ti & OMAP |
| [22:11:50] |
<T0mW> |
I meant IXP |
| [22:11:55] |
<T0mW> |
right |
| [22:12:22] |
<GPSFan> |
I thought that Intel kept the IXP & IOP and sold of the PXA stuff to Marvell. |
| [22:12:33] |
<T0mW> |
wonder how that will play out, intel made a lot of money on the 8051 selling in small lots. |
| [22:13:08] |
<T0mW> |
was that it? just the PXA? I thought they bailed on all Xscale production |
| [22:13:27] |
<GPSFan> |
no, they kept some I thought it was IOP & IXP. |
| [22:13:33] |
<T0mW> |
al |
| [22:13:36] |
<T0mW> |
bah |
| [22:13:37] |
<T0mW> |
ah |
| [22:13:41] |
<GPSFan> |
arggg |
| [22:13:45] |
<T0mW> |
hehheh |
| [22:14:07] |
<GPSFan> |
those swarthy dogs.. |
| [22:14:13] |
<T0mW> |
you need a scorecard to follow this stuff anymore |
| [22:15:23] |
<T0mW> |
All I know is that I have this wimpy 200MHz Samsung core to work with. I've been wondering if we were to goto a 300/400MHz IXP core and run the SPI via the bit-bang that would all we would need? |
| [22:16:12] |
<GPSFan> |
the Samsung is probably more power efficient, but that may not be important in your app. |
| [22:16:13] |
<T0mW> |
I have no need for highspeed hardware SPI, I am now thinking that an I/O Port SPI might be better as I could use a faster core for the main app. |
| [22:16:28] |
<T0mW> |
power efficiency is critical |
| [22:16:56] |
<T0mW> |
they freaked when I told them that the Samsung would prolly be sucking up 3watts or so. |
| [22:17:09] |
<GPSFan> |
that a 2410? |
| [22:17:13] |
<T0mW> |
yes |
| [22:17:25] |
<T0mW> |
2410 + the RAM |
| [22:17:40] |
<GPSFan> |
3 watts is kind of a lot, the Hammer is a lot less IIRC |
| [22:18:27] |
<GPSFan> |
that's 1A at 3.3v. how much ram does it have? |
| [22:18:50] |
<T0mW> |
that was for the whole CPU board, bunch of 16bit IO chips, an ethernet. I didn't tell them what the two USB ports would be doing... hehh |
| [22:19:08] |
<T0mW> |
IIRC, it is 128Meg |
| [22:19:19] |
<T0mW> |
ethernet sucks 250ma |
| [22:19:38] |
<GPSFan> |
ok, the ethernet & USB and all that ram will surely suck a bit... |
| [22:19:59] |
<T0mW> |
now they want dual 10/100 ethernets on the board. They are starting to get power-drunk |
| [22:20:08] |
<GPSFan> |
feature creep. |
| [22:20:25] |
<T0mW> |
yeah, well the old CPU board ran about 200ma @ 5v |
| [22:20:57] |
<T0mW> |
that was an 80C188 w/512K RAM, not much else but some CMOS glue |
| [22:21:18] |
<GPSFan> |
you might look at an IXP425, it has dual 10/100 ethernets on board, no USB2 though. but that can go on the pci |
| [22:21:26] |
<T0mW> |
hmm |
| [22:22:00] |
<T0mW> |
all of this is to go onto a 4" X 10" board |
| [22:23:06] |
<GPSFan> |
this is the ixp board I have, it works very well and draws less than their figures. |
| [22:23:08] |
<GPSFan> |
http://shop.gateworks.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2 |
| [22:23:13] |
<T0mW> |
we'll see how this spins out with the 2410 |
| [22:24:11] |
<T0mW> |
hey, wait another month and XXXX will be out. This stuff is changing too fast anymore, you cannot keep up. What you design today, release 6 months from now, will be out of date by then. |
| [22:24:48] |
<T0mW> |
Somewhere you have to say "stop" and go with it. |
| [22:25:11] |
<GPSFan> |
2440 =>2550 =>2660 where will it ever end? |
| [22:26:41] |
<T0mW> |
two years ago I had a contract to design a replacement for a board I did 15years ago. The first design used two ARM7TDMI processors, the second design proto revised that almost a year later with a single ARM7TDMI that just came out, then, I get this S3C2410 module for $85 from China... |
| [22:27:22] |
<T0mW> |
I have that design sitting here as a test bed. I let them see it but they don't understand what it is. |
| [22:27:45] |
<T0mW> |
Linux in it now instead of the proprietary o/s it took me a year to write. |
| [22:28:23] |
<T0mW> |
That o/s in this latest rendition is from OE |
| [22:29:41] |
<T0mW> |
So, for $60 more in parts, you slash your engineering costs. They are a low-volume OEM, less than 200 units per year. They don't see the engineering savings, only the additional per unit cost. |
| [22:29:44] |
<T0mW> |
heh |
| [22:30:27] |
* |
T0mW looks to see if S3C2440 is on a SODIMM yet. |
| [22:31:47] |
<T0mW> |
LOL |
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<T0mW> |
it is |
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<GPSFan> |
it's amazing how much technology you can get for a $ today, in another couple of years that stuff will be overproced and obsolete. yet here I am paying $4/10/gal for diesel. ;>( |
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<T0mW> |
400MHz on an a 200pin SODIMM |
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<GPSFan> |
url? |
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<T0mW> |
http://mdstec.com/english/solutions/images/SUMA_TETRA_spec.gif |
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<T0mW> |
67x31 MM |
| [22:33:02] |
<T0mW> |
67x31mm |
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<T0mW> |
looks to be a standard sodimm footprint |
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<T0mW> |
and, it *only* has 512Meg of RAM |
| [22:36:56] |
<GPSFan> |
that sight is wierd, it doesn't like firefox, not much more info than that picture. |
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<T0mW> |
Firefox here works ok |
| [22:38:09] |
<T0mW> |
but I have javascript + java disabled |
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<GPSFan> |
maybe just me. any doc's other than what's on the picture? |
| [22:39:10] |
<T0mW> |
http://mdstec.com/english/solutions/evaluation_board_suma_tetra.html |
| [22:39:46] |
<T0mW> |
it looks like and EVB kit, not a production offering of the SODIMM. |
| [22:41:43] |
<GPSFan> |
looks like they want to sell the sodimms, the main board is just for eval. |
| [22:44:33] |
<GPSFan> |
I wonder if that is a typo "512Mbit" mobile SDRAM |
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<T0mW> |
I just sent a inquiry to them about that 2440 SODIMM |
| [22:47:37] |
<T0mW> |
I would rather use the 400MHz processor over the 200MHz one, better to have too much processing power. |
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<GPSFan> |
let me know what you find out, pricing and all, that looks like a nice board (sodimm) |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: could be, but, you know that you can purchase 2Gig DDR2 modules now. 8 chips on the DIMM, so it may be that is not a typo. |
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<GPSFan> |
they have all their memory figures in Mbit. I bet they mean Mbyte. 32Mbits of flash is somewhat worthless |
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<T0mW> |
ah, you are correct. 512Mbit would be, what, 64Mbyte? |
| [22:51:51] |
<GPSFan> |
well maybe not useless, enough for a bootloader. |
| [22:52:10] |
<T0mW> |
We'll have to see what their pricing model is |
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<GPSFan> |
indeed. |
| [22:52:59] |
<T0mW> |
sub $100 / 100lot might be worth it. I am only running two LANs, an SPI array, MMC card with mysql. |
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<T0mW> |
no video |
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<T0mW> |
realtime response burden is on the ARM7TDMIs at the other end of the SPI circuit. |
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<T0mW> |
5..10 seconds delay in reporting latency is not a big issue, I have a max of 90 seconds per U/L |
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<T0mW> |
the SQL dataset will be buffered in RAM anyway, it is typically a few hundred rows |
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<T0mW> |
with sql joins, it could reach upwards of 10 thousand rows at worst. |
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<T0mW> |
oh well, time for some fritos and TV, cul |
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