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<briantumor> |
cool! |
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<briantumor> |
how much do the Z2's cost now? |
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<briantumor> |
has it been released to retailers, or can you only get them directly through zipit |
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<T0mW> |
briantumor: not sure, I got mine a while ago on ebay |
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<briantumor> |
sure hope the price comes down |
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<T0mW> |
briantumor: average price was about $125 |
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<briantumor> |
with a little bit more effor you could just get an asus eee pc :\ |
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<T0mW> |
briantumor: yeah, but there is a lot in that Z2. It is cheap considering what some other handheld units are going for. |
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<briantumor> |
anyway |
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<briantumor> |
does monitor mode work on this thing? ^_^ |
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<T0mW> |
briantumor: depends on what you want from a Z2. I want a small wifi client that I can take with me and ssh back into my VPN and email while not having to take my laptop along. |
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<briantumor> |
hmm yeah |
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<T0mW> |
what is "monitor mode"? |
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<briantumor> |
it's a mode for the wireless card |
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<T0mW> |
oh, yes |
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<T0mW> |
WEP and WPA |
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<briantumor> |
kismet uses it to capture packets |
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<briantumor> |
hrm, doubt you can get that kind of processing power out of it though :\ |
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<briantumor> |
yeah, i guess i could do with irssi over ssh |
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<briantumor> |
so do you need to replace the existing firmware to get ssh and stuff to work? |
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<T0mW> |
no |
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<briantumor> |
microsd or minisd? |
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<T0mW> |
just need a specially constructed mini-SD card to boot linux |
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<briantumor> |
kk cool |
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<T0mW> |
about an 8meg vfat partition and the second partiton is linux |
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<briantumor> |
is the font size legible when on the terminal? |
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<T0mW> |
so far, yes |
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<briantumor> |
cool :) |
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<T0mW> |
40 x 30 lines |
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<T0mW> |
it is a color QVGA display (320x240) |
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<T0mW> |
backlit LCD and backlit keyboard |
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<briantumor> |
the price for the Z1 has come down a bit |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
I expect you can get them for $20 now |
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<briantumor> |
yeah |
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<T0mW> |
but, you have to do some *serious* work to the Z1 to get your own filesystem booting off it. |
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<briantumor> |
yeah, i know.. that's what has discouraged me so far :\ |
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* |
T0mW goes back to building OE |
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<briantumor> |
you have to reroute the website so it download the firmware automatically and stuff |
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<briantumor> |
*doesn't |
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<briantumor> |
does it support jabber? |
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<T0mW> |
I don't know |
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<briantumor> |
kk, guess that can be handled over ssh |
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<briantumor> |
alright man, thanks for your time |
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<T0mW> |
I've been working at other stuff lately, just got back onto the Z2 tonite |
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<T0mW> |
at least we now have X running on it. |
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<T0mW> |
with matchbox as the desktop |
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<briantumor> |
lol, never heard of it.. sounds cool |
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<T0mW> |
when you go small, KDE + GNOME are overkill |
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<briantumor> |
of course |
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<T0mW> |
a lot of the features of a larger desktop manager usually complicate the operation on a handheld |
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<briantumor> |
i use fluxbox regardless of how much resources i have |
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<T0mW> |
:) |
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<briantumor> |
i've only wanted to get zipit just to use irssi + bitlbee |
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<T0mW> |
I do too! |
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<briantumor> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
I want a small IRC client to take along |
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<T0mW> |
something that fits in my shirt pocket |
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<T0mW> |
the Z2 will run about 3~3.5 hours on a charge using the wifi |
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<briantumor> |
is there an option to turn off the blacklight? |
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<T0mW> |
that is playing internet radio. |
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<briantumor> |
cool |
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<T0mW> |
the "normal" Z2 does that, I haven't gotten that far to do the backlight control. Mostly the focus has been at getting X working. |
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<briantumor> |
oh |
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<briantumor> |
z3 should have a mic jack so you could use voip (skype) ^_^ |
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<T0mW> |
Z2 already has a mike input |
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<briantumor> |
:O |
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<briantumor> |
so you could use voip? |
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<T0mW> |
IIRC, it does. I haven't looked that closely at that |
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<T0mW> |
I think that one of the other guys was saying something about VOIP with the Z2 |
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<T0mW> |
dunno, I'm not into that |
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<briantumor> |
but there's no apps that use the mic by default i'm guessing |
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<briantumor> |
or makes any use of it |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, skype is a proprietary binary |
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<T0mW> |
isn't it? |
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<briantumor> |
yeah, but there's skype for linux |
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<T0mW> |
I don't think they have ported that to ARM |
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<briantumor> |
oh kk |
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<T0mW> |
for the X86, yes. |
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<briantumor> |
this one's open.. http://openwengo.org |
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<briantumor> |
http://dnstunnel.de/ |
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<briantumor> |
you could use any hotspot that requires a login & passwd with that |
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<briantumor> |
tunneling through dns |
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<briantumor> |
most hotspots give you the option to do lookup |
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<briantumor> |
would be useful to implement that into z2 |
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<T0mW> |
problem is that software codecs take a lot of power to run them. That is why you see voip on specialized hand helds (using hardware codecs) or on a full-blown desktop system. |
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<briantumor> |
yeah i know :\ |
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<briantumor> |
i guess you could use it as an audio recorder i guess |
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<briantumor> |
but check out dns tunnel ^_^ |
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<briantumor> |
there's a video demonstrating it at the bottom |
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<T0mW> |
interesting. |
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<T0mW> |
I use openVPN for my on-the-road stuff, but I wonder about using a different port as he is suggesting. |
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<briantumor> |
and this could come in handy for something i guess.. http://linide.sourceforge.net/nat-traverse/ |
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<briantumor> |
peer-to-peer between z2's? |
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<Rossimo> |
T0mW: are you using Xfbdev to run matchbox? |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: heh, uh, I do have video though, not sure what I'm using right now. I do think it is the fbdev as I have matchbox on the screen. It is rotated 90 degress right now. |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: this is all very rough build. I'm refining it now to get the console keyboard working and wifi up. |
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<Rossimo> |
T0mw:so your're running xorg for something else with the fbdev driver? |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: at least I finally got Angstrom to build gpe-image and got it to run on the Z2 |
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<Rossimo> |
cool |
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<T0mW> |
xserver-kdrive |
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<Rossimo> |
same thing here |
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<T0mW> |
good |
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<T0mW> |
I have all night to work on this (1:00AM local time) |
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<Rossimo> |
i'm not using a GPE image, and I can run some X apps (like dillo), but other things fail. like running matchbox |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: plus, I have two monster boxs to build with, both 64bit X2 machines |
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<Rossimo> |
woot woot |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: 8Gig of DDR2 in the one |
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<T0mW> |
:D |
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<Rossimo> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: I decided to get serious about using OE |
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<Rossimo> |
no kidding |
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<T0mW> |
FWIW, that box has about 1.8T of disk |
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<Rossimo> |
i'm doing everything on my lappy, dell M1710 |
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<Rossimo> |
tada |
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<T0mW> |
I was a little out-of-control when I built that box. I had a bunch of 320G SATA drives lying around, so I put them in and still had some SATA ports left... So, I ended up with 7 SATA drives in it. |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: besides, I can now mirror my video server.heh |
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<Rossimo> |
;) |
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<T0mW> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
430 movies and counting |
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<Rossimo> |
and i'm taking for granted those are legal backups of everything you own... |
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<T0mW> |
All edited off-the-air, no kazaa or internet loads |
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<Rossimo> |
oh |
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<T0mW> |
mythtv + avidemux |
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<Rossimo> |
cool |
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<Rossimo> |
but, if you ever figure out exactly how the x server is initiated for you, let me know |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: you using OE ? |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah |
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<T0mW> |
ok |
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<Rossimo> |
been working with the latest zipit svn |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: what timezone are you in? |
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<T0mW> |
here is GMT-4 |
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<Rossimo> |
est |
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<T0mW> |
pennsylvania? |
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<Rossimo> |
south carolina |
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<T0mW> |
LOL, I will be down that way on Wednesday! |
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<T0mW> |
heh, going to take 2 weeks off starting tomorrow afternoon |
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<Rossimo> |
you'll be driving by zipit territory too (greenville, sc) |
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<T0mW> |
going down to Leesburg FL for the weekend, then swing back through Montgomery AL to see my brother |
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<Rossimo> |
cool |
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<T0mW> |
Cool |
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<T0mW> |
Maybe I can meet you and mike for lunch? |
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<T0mW> |
I plan to stop at Greenville for some tobacco |
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<T0mW> |
that is on I-85 right? |
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<Rossimo> |
yep |
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<T0mW> |
ok |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: anyway, if I get something useful I will pass it onto you so you can build Angstrom yourself |
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<Rossimo> |
thanks |
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<Rossimo> |
wtf, something just worked |
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<Rossimo> |
ok for future reference: |
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<Rossimo> |
Xfbdev -screen 240x320@90 & |
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<Rossimo> |
DISPLAY=:0.0 x-window-manager |
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<Rossimo> |
and had to create a /var/lib/dbus/machine-id |
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<Rossimo> |
and firefox is running! |
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<Rossimo> |
sloooooooooowly |
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<briantumor> |
Rossimo, you should check out kazehakase |
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<briantumor> |
http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/ |
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<Rossimo> |
compiling it now |
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<Rossimo> |
alright, this is the last thing, and then i'm going to sleep |
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<briantumor> |
you should have either xulrunner or seamonkey |
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<briantumor> |
i used xulrunner |
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<Rossimo> |
anyone know how to edit matchbox schortcuts? |
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<Rossimo> |
shortcuts* |
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<Rossimo> |
ugh, it failed |
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<Rossimo> |
checking for /home/rossimo/openembedded/tmp-zipit2-angstrom/staging/arm-angstrom-linux/include/firefox-1.0.7/content/nsICanvasRenderingContextInternal.h... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling |
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<Rossimo> |
not sure how to fix that |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: have you got control over the mouse pointer in X? |
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<Rossimo> |
nope |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
THAT is the million-dollar problem |
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<Rossimo> |
well, gnash is sorta running |
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<Rossimo> |
thats cool |
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<Rossimo> |
i guess i need ffmpeg maybe to run videos |
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<Rossimo> |
just ran a quick test, not sure what all it can do |
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<Rossimo> |
T0mW: am i suppose to be able to control the mouse with the keyboard in mathcbox? |
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<T0mW> |
I would hope so |
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<T0mW> |
I was thinking of using the XY rocker pad for mouse emulation |
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<Rossimo> |
what would be the best way to turn it on/off? |
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<Rossimo> |
"options" button? |
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<T0mW> |
something like that |
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<T0mW> |
toggle its use between cursor arrows and mouse moves |
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<T0mW> |
maybe work out an acceleration scheme for the mouse moves |
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<T0mW> |
I was thinking of a indicator someplace on the screen to show the cursorr mode, not sure |
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<Rossimo> |
i need to learn more about the gpe/matchbox code |
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<Rossimo> |
doing that kind of stuff is over my head |
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<T0mW> |
we would do that at a lower level |
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<T0mW> |
not up in X |
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<T0mW> |
I was thinking of doing it down at the kernel level |
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<T0mW> |
down inside the keyboard driver if necessary. |
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<T0mW> |
but, |
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<T0mW> |
magon had an idea about building a userspace lib to do this |
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<T0mW> |
similar to tslib |
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<T0mW> |
Rossimo: yes, it is xserver-kdrive-fbdev |
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<Rossimo> |
ok |
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<Rossimo> |
thanks |
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<T0mW> |
still trying to figure out how to get the zipit kernel modules into the final image |
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<T0mW> |
the ipkgs exist, just that gpe-image won't put them into the rootfs |
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<T0mW> |
ah! |
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<Rossimo> |
cool. well. i gotta sleep |
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<Rossimo> |
test tomorrow. |
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<Rossimo> |
later |
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<T0mW> |
later |
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<mi_dave> |
bryank: any luck with xkb yet? |
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<bryank> |
i thought i had it figured out (there's a bug in kdrive), but even with that fixed the arrows don't work by default |
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<bryank> |
so no |
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<bryank> |
anybody know if the keyboard driver source is available somewhere? |
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<bryank> |
never mind, it's in the z2kernel svn repo |
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<bryank> |
...along with the code that's logging those lcd messages (and then doing nothing). i think. |
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<mi_dave> |
I just found the keyboard source (a few minutes late I guess). Where did you find the lcd stuff? |
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<bryank> |
same repo, in the zipit2-kernel.patch file |
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<mi_dave> |
notice the comment that says this may eventually damage the display? |
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<bryank> |
yeah, but that's the code that does nothing (#if 0), so it's fine |
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<bryank> |
(...i hope) |
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<mi_dave> |
so it is essentially disabled (for now)? |
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<bryank> |
yeah, it's not compiled into the module |
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<bryank> |
(as long as this patch is really the code that's running) |
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<mi_dave> |
same deal on the backlight code. looks like the backlight is using one of the gpio pins in pwm mode |
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<bryank> |
yeah, but if it's commented out, who knows if it works. might be worth trying to build something to talk to those pins though. |
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<bryank> |
whee, hardcoded memory addresses! (KPC, etc.) |
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<bryank> |
looks like that's how you talk to lots of hardware on the pxa chips. there's a whole pxa-regs.h file in the linux kernel source that has lots of useful stuff in it. |
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<bryank> |
(rtc, lcd, gpio, keyboard, etc.) |
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<mi_dave> |
rtc? |
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<mi_dave> |
wonder why it was not implemented |
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<bryank> |
maybe it was, and we just haven't tried it? |
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<bryank> |
(tried saving the time in it, that is) |
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<mi_dave> |
but the time starts over an 1/1/70 on every boot - not like the rtc is just not set |
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<bryank> |
or not being read by the kernel |
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<bryank> |
anyway, i'm going to check in the patch i have for the one issue in the kdrive/xkb source, and i'll see you tomorrow |
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<mi_dave> |
okay, see ya |
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