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<dare2dreamer> |
Should openembedded's bitbake be doing something on the order of 187 tasks to build the helloworld target _after_ I already built ncmpc without errors? |
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<Magon> |
that is strange |
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<Magon> |
but OE probably just tries to build all dependency |
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<Magon> |
and you are not providing them(ie. ASSUME_PROVIDED) |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I thought it might be that, but I built ncmpc first and some of the same packages seemed to be being rebuilt. |
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<Magon> |
i had similar problems with OE...i am building buildroot now |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I'm just trying to figure out if every time I build an 80k package is it going to happen. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
on the flipside, it's not erroring. :-) |
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<Magon> |
:-) |
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<Magon> |
have you any experiences with buildroot? |
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<dare2dreamer> |
None. |
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<Magon> |
ok |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I only started messing with OE because it seemed to be the way everyone was heading. |
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<Magon> |
it gona be a surprise |
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<dare2dreamer> |
heh |
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<Magon> |
yes..i OE is good for distribution |
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<Magon> |
but it was useless for developement last time i tried |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Maybe it is my newbieness showing, but once you get a package compiled for the zipit what do you do with all the dependancies for it? it's not like you can install them into usr/lib on the device. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
or is there a way to force bitbake to build static executables? |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I'm not sure of the "logical" way forward |
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<Magon> |
make an overlay? |
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<dare2dreamer> |
it seems like if we're going to go to the trouble of moving to openembedded, some decisions need to be made in order to standardize such things. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
otherwise, if everyone approaches the solution differently we're right back at hand compiling everything to "fit" |
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<Magon> |
the solution is to switch_root :-) |
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<Magon> |
just simply abandond the flash and do all the stuff on SDcarc |
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<Magon> |
Sd card |
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<dare2dreamer> |
doesn't that completely undermine the point of having the working wireless, and such from the z2's existing kernel? |
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<dare2dreamer> |
or are we eventually going to get the binary blobs? |
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<Magon> |
you can copy to your card any file from old flash to use it..and kernel will be used still the same as we have no safe way of switching to another |
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<dare2dreamer> |
oh, so more like a chroot then. come up, switch over to our root and go. |
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<Magon> |
yes |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Sweet. I'm completely out of my depth on how to set up the switch_root, though. |
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<Magon> |
i am the same probably...just someone was talking about that yeasterday |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Seems like we need a "openz2onthesdswitchroot" framework we can all start contributing to. |
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<Magon> |
i am building my build system to start working |
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<Magon> |
meanwhile i need to learn non-procedural programing for my examp next week |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I thought I had my build system built but it keeps attempting to build it. |
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<Magon> |
:-) |
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<dare2dreamer> |
frustrating to look at a working device and realize by technicality it's currently useless. |
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<Magon> |
yes...in current state Z2 is quite useless for me now |
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<Magon> |
i have just one big uncerntality....how to get mouse |
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<dare2dreamer> |
eh, not so important. worst case, usb over the expansion connector. I'm more curious if it couldn't be managed with the direction pad. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
or just skip it in favor of using ncurses and keyboardable applications. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
that's just gui issues. get me to a gui and we can discuss them :-) |
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<Magon> |
i would like to use the direction pad |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I think building something like pokylinux way exceeds my expectations for the device. I had hoped for a pocket ssh term, and it looks like once some things get settled (like the switch_root) it will be so much more. |
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<Magon> |
but arrows are also important for bash :-) |
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<dare2dreamer> |
there are applications that allow cursor control of a mouse via keyboard, so I'm not worried about it once you get a Xfb running. |
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<Magon> |
there are completly useless prev next buttons...can be used for left rigth |
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<dare2dreamer> |
ratpoison or matchbox (which is what most pda style devices use) doesn't require a mouse anyway |
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<dare2dreamer> |
What I really need is a pipe | on that keyboard. :-) |
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<Magon> |
the CPU should have enougth horsepower to run light version of X |
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<dare2dreamer> |
oh definitely. Supposedly, Rossimo had it working briefly. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
at least so sayeth the irc logs. |
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<Magon> |
problem is it expects touchscreen..that is what we dont have |
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<dare2dreamer> |
what expects a touch screen? |
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<Magon> |
there is also photo of some SDL app |
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<Magon> |
matchbox |
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<dare2dreamer> |
incorrect |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I've used it on several systems without a mouse at all. |
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<Magon> |
ok that is great |
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<Magon> |
and the stupind smile button can work as pipe very well :-) |
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<dare2dreamer> |
matchbox window manager supports alternative input, but can also ignore it. actually, it's greatest strength is the fact that matchbox-window-manager requires nothing but xlibs to run. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
well, and a small xserver, naturally. |
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<Magon> |
i have seen one working |
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<dare2dreamer> |
on a z2? |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I have a matchbox install as a part of my htpc, so I'm fairly familiar with it. it plus an xterm plus ncmpc makes a nice jukebox interface. |
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<Magon> |
on neo1973 |
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<Magon> |
that one have touchscreen |
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<dare2dreamer> |
the neo supports a touchscreen as an interface. that's a separate issue from matchbox. for our purposes, all matchbox will do is provide a maximized window for x apps on the lcd. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
assuming your apps are keyboardable, you're done. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I'm more concerned with getting a standardized chassis to bolt all that hotness onto. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
in the meantime, lunch. |
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<Magon> |
i have dinner :-) |
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<dare2dreamer> |
GMT-6 here, Texas. :-) |
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<Magon> |
GMT+1 Czech |
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<Rossimo> |
dare2dreamer: no X, just SDL on the framebuffer |
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<Rossimo> |
oh, he just left |
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<Magon> |
buildroot have some problems building tinyx |
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