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<drmikecrowe> |
nhoman: that's fantastic! congratulations! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Now, we need to figure out how to pull in X, diet-X, qt, or some framebuffer based graphics package |
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<nhoman> |
drmikecrowe: someone mentioned on the wiki "pokylinux" http://www.pokylinux.org |
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<nhoman> |
worth a look ... uses bitbake for autobuild |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Interesting. an alternative to angstrom. I wonder if the package support is as big? |
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<nhoman> |
yeah i would doubt it's as big |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'd love to be able to pull in any average package in OE and have it compile. That's nirvana. |
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<Crofton> |
drmikecrowe, the package support is not as big |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Have you looked at it before? |
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<Crofton> |
not really, it is sort of an internal project at openedhand |
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<Crofton> |
a couple of the OE guys work for openedhand |
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<Crofton> |
stuff flows back and forth frequently |
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<Crofton> |
bbl |
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<drmikecrowe> |
thanks |
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<nhoman> |
running the qemu emualtor now... nice distro (poky) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I haven't built qemu yet for OE. Need ot get to that |
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<drmikecrowe> |
nhoman: where-abouts are you located? |
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<nhoman> |
Ireland... i was hoping to be first in europe to get/mod a zipit but i think someone on IRC here bet me to it! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
cool |
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<nhoman> |
I have a bit of experience with nslu2-linux hoping i could lend a hand or at least get involved from the start. |
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<nhoman> |
unfortunately im not a linux programmer. getting to grips slowly but surely. |
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<nhoman> |
bbl |
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<ethicalclone> |
drmikecrowe: I got a root image working on the zipit, and found a way to change to a new root |
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<drmikecrowe> |
using chroot? |
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<ethicalclone> |
no using switch_root |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Also, you are not using OE, right? What toolchain? |
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<ethicalclone> |
I am now using OE |
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<ethicalclone> |
the root image was built using OE |
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<drmikecrowe> |
very cool. Did you use the config files I started with? Or your own? |
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<ethicalclone> |
I started with your configs and made some tweaks |
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<Magon> |
nhoman: i am probably the first one in europe who got it |
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<Magon> |
ethicalclone: how are you developing in OE? i couldnt stand it when i tried last time...trying to build buildroot |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ethicalclone: the svn ones, or the first I posted? If it's svn, please check it in so I can try it too |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I keep bombing on building the kernel, and haven't had time to figure out why |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Magon: I knew you'd brag about that :D |
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<drmikecrowe> |
How are exams going? |
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<Magon> |
i have one examp done...few ones comming next week but are much simplier |
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<drmikecrowe> |
cool |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe: but as long at it is on well know in europe having it first nothing :-) |
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<ethicalclone> |
drmikecrowe: I made a zipit2 kernel package, i'll check it in. |
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<Magon> |
getting my shiny new 2GB miniSD card tomorrow |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ethicalclone: Many thanks. |
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<Magon> |
ethicalclone: do you know some guide how to develop using OE?..when i tried first about year back, i was asking around and hadn't anything useful |
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<ethicalclone> |
Magon: I read the docs on the OE site and dug in and read the bb and conf files. the bitbake manual helped also |
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<Magon> |
so you have simply wrote bb file and runing bitbake my_project each time you need to compile that? |
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<Magon> |
i had problem with that it too awfully long to compile that way |
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<Magon> |
i ended with simple script compiling my project(using all the OE stuff but just setting params and launching gcc) |
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<Magon> |
does anyone know what exact ARM is the PXA270? |
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<ethicalclone> |
arm5te |
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<Magon> |
i found xscale option... |
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<Magon> |
and in buldroot there is no arm5te :-( |
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<Magon> |
the original rom is in oabi? |
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<ethicalclone> |
Magon: yes it is oabi, I wish the builtin kernel supported eabi. |
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<Magon> |
problem is probably just in kernel..if we can completly overtake rootfs |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm trying to get the next bootloader to include SD support to possibly boot a kernel on the SD as well. Not sure if I can get in this round or not |
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<Magon> |
do we have FPU ? |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe: wouldnt be simplier to get it boot off USB? |
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<ethicalclone> |
drmikecrowe: kexec support would be nice |
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<ethicalclone> |
drmikecrowe: I checked in the changes I made to the OE stuff |
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<Magon> |
i am building buildroot now...will see if that is usable |
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<Rossimo> |
what exactly are the differences between all of these toolchains? |
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<Rossimo> |
buildroot, scratchbox, OE... |
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<Magon> |
scratchbox is debian like tool |
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<Magon> |
buildroot is something that feels good but i have just pre-first impressions |
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<Magon> |
OE is a beast |
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<Magon> |
OE is complete package managment and building system...like portage |
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<Rossimo> |
ah |
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<Magon> |
scratchbox is like chrooted enviroment on host |
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<Magon> |
it uses qemu to do everything natively on host |
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<drmikecrowe_> |
Magon: true, OE is a beast. However, if we get a core set up, that give user access to 100s of packages that *could* build for the Zipit. That's the advantage I see in pursuing it |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe: i absolutly agree..OE is best in here..I am just trying buildroot for some testing but for long shoot we need OE |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ah, np. I merely wanted to make sure I point out the long term benefits of having OE. |
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<Magon> |
i just need someone to teach me how to use OE so i can use it for developenent and i wont slow me down too much |
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<Magon> |
btw: Z2 still endures all my attempts to open it |
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<Crofton> |
drmikecrowe, the other huge advantage is you can install binary packages from a feed |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Exactly |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Magon, I agree. I don't understand yet how to "develop" with it. It seems great for building packages for your distribution, but I'm missing how to leverage it to develop |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe: that is my point |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Just agreeing with you :D |
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<Magon> |
ok..i should get some sleep |
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<drmikecrowe> |
BTW, after building 1 package, in tmp/work/* you will see run.XXXX, which has all the setup and instructions to call the cross-compiler |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Night |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe: that is how i made my script :-) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Magon: LOL |
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<Magon> |
i said that is was "simple" |
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<Magon> |
and OE consumes too much disk space..i cannot keep it all in my internal laptop disk |
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<ethicalclone> |
setting ASSUME_PROVIDED to include some the -native packages that are installed by your host distro can help with size |
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<Magon> |
and my problem with OE is i dont like the stamp system |
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<Magon> |
gn |
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<Rossimo> |
awesome, i'm playing doom sideways right now |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Well, I've gotten one of the little beasts. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
I tried the SD load, and it seems to have failed on loading the wpa stuff. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Any tips to get me up to speed so I can actually be of use would be appreciated. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
ok, So I'm an idiot. After configuring the wpa_supplicant.conf I have a shell. :-) |
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<dare2dreamer> |
What exactly needs to be done to the GPIO driver in order to get the ALT keys working? |
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<ethicalclone> |
dare2dreamer: a keymap needs to be loaded |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Well, I'm using the scripts from the yahoo group and poking around. Currently, they only enable the non-ALT'ed keys. I'm trying to get up to speed. |
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<ethicalclone> |
I was going to make a new version of the script that has the keymap loaded and an up-to-date driver. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
Awesome, and thank you. I've got a fair bit of linux experience, though this whole embedded device insanity is new to me. Any suggestion for where to start? From reading the irc logs, it's clear that progress has been made and I'm not sure where I'd be best served helping. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
it seems like what is needed is to start standardizing the "load" on the SD. I had some grief trying to figure out which magic zip file got me as far as I have. |
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<dare2dreamer> |
but I'm definitely willing to follow the lead of those further along. |
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<ethicalclone> |
I uploaded a new version of the z2script zip to the yahoo group. It includes an updated keyboard driver and loads a keymap, so alt keys work now. |
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<Rossimo> |
ethicalclone: thanks! |
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