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<Magon> |
hi all |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: morning.. |
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<Magon> |
morning? where are you from? |
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<GPSFan> |
I'm in western colorado. |
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<Magon> |
i am in europe :-) |
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<Magon> |
but dritf should be like 6-7 hours |
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<Magon> |
drift |
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<Magon> |
so you should have about noon |
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<GPSFan> |
we are UTC -7 currently. |
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<Magon> |
so you have about 10? |
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<GPSFan> |
9:25AM |
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<Magon> |
ok...morning :-) |
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<Magon> |
i am UTC + 1, so it is 8 hours :-( |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan, FireEgl, can you guys please drop? I need to make some channel modifications |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan_770: also |
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<GPSFan> |
unless an op changes it. "/chanserv help set topiclock" |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right, just did that |
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<GPSFan> |
;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
perfect, I really appreciate it |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Did you get your zipit yet? |
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<GPSFan> |
np. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: 'supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ' is not a valid configuration variable. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: 'supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ' is not a valid configuration variable. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<GPSFan> |
it looks like there has been a lot of activity on the Yahoo group by the folks that have gotten their's. zipitpet's board looks just like the one in the FCC doc's. (severay white/yellow wires) |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yeah, his comments were pretty accurate. I hope I can convince him to join us in building up our community |
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<GPSFan> |
I've never seen him on IRC, but we were in constant e-mail contact while we were getting the first rebuilt kernel & rootfs going. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I realy want to get something up Monday, if possible. Maybe gforge or kforge as an initial poral |
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<drmikecrowe> |
portal* |
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<drmikecrowe> |
That way I can get the patches and stuff out to those who want it |
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<GPSFan> |
I won't be arround till after lunch on Monday. lotsa stuff going on that am. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
sound good. Thanks for your help on setting this p |
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<drmikecrowe> |
up |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@help indentify |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: There is no command "indentify". |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@help identify |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: (identify <name> <password>) -- Identifies the user as <name>. This command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel. |
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<GPSFan> |
np, glad to help, I really hope that zipit management has seen the usefulness of the OSS community, and that this will be the start of a good working relationship. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We really have. Part of my selling to them was that I could really help enable that community |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: you have to "/nickserv identify <password> "in the channel |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm already identified. I'm trying to tell the bot that I'm the owner |
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<GPSFan> |
hmm |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey, I have to run too. I'll be around later today |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: The operation succeeded. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
cool |
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<GPSFan> |
haha, you figured it our!! |
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<GPSFan> |
out even... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I think* |
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<GPSFan> |
lol, there are so many commands, and the doc's I linked you to are not quite the same as what chanserv thinks they are, so lots of trial & error gonna happen ;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
exactly! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
What a mess |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@stats |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@help |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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<Magon> |
topic - comming soon looks promising |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm installing gforge now |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: You there? |
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<GPSFan> |
yep, how it going? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
pretty good, you? |
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<GPSFan> |
chilly here today, so far it's up to just above freezing... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
where's that? |
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<GPSFan> |
western colorado |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ah, lovely area |
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<GPSFan> |
absolutely! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Wanted your opinion -- we need a forge system. http://demo.kforgeproject.com/ vs. http://gforge.org |
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<drmikecrowe> |
kforge is easier to set up, but gforge seems to be a defacto-standard |
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<drmikecrowe> |
any opinions? |
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* |
GPSFan looks |
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<GPSFan> |
do they both host all the project data or do you plan to host it on your/zipits servers? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm going to install one or the other on my server here |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I can install kforge easily, but it appears to be less capable than gforge |
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<GPSFan> |
do you know any "well known" projects that use either? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Many use gforge |
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<drmikecrowe> |
one example: http://rubyforge.org/ |
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<drmikecrowe> |
http://pgfoundry.org/ |
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<GPSFan> |
ah, I know of postgresql & ruby, tehy are both good code bases. I'm not a real software guy, I've never setup or operated such a thing. One thing I do know is that Sourceforge is the pits at times (often) |
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<GPSFan> |
the kforge stuff is python based which is good, but you are not developing the forge code, just wanting to use a good set. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right -- I'm *thinking* that installing gforge would be a better commitment to the OSS community (although it's a bigger pain for me...) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
:D |
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<GPSFan> |
given my quick look, i'd probably start out trying to install gforge. see how it goes. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
thanks -- you're reinforcing what I thought too |
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<GPSFan> |
why not try the gforge vmware image? |
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<GPSFan> |
as a test to see how you like the opeeration. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yeah, I'm downloading it now |
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<drmikecrowe> |
500M, so not quick... |
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<GPSFan> |
also might want to look ath their code svn/cvs repositories to see how often there are changes. ie how active is their development/bug fixing. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah |
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<T0mW> |
hmmm, "On FedEx vehicle for delivery" |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: too bad you cannot send the Z2s via Priority Mail. I usually get packages sent from Las Vegas, NV, in about two..three days that way. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We just didn't have time to set it up. I think the expedited shipping has been added, but haven't checked. That's not a direct responsibility of mine |
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<T0mW> |
nod |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Hey, question for you: I'm setting up linux.zipitwireless.com |
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<T0mW> |
ok |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm struggling with what community engine to use: I'm leaning towards kforge, I have gforge installed, and I'm also thinking that trac will be what we need |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Do you have any inputs? |
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<T0mW> |
none, maybe some of the other guys will have an opinion. I don't know either one, most of what I do is from cvs, svn, etc. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah, all support svn. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm leaning towards just supporting trac -- gives us the wiki, svn, forums, and a core meeting place |
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<T0mW> |
I'm laying out a circuit board this morning, so, I am somewhere else |
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<drmikecrowe> |
np -- luck |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I will still run openzipit.org and post my stuff there. Wikis are ok but they drive me nuts in that I find it difficult (at times) to format the data when doing a writeup of how to do something. |
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<T0mW> |
I put together a script engine writting in PHP for my websites. Just simple boxes holding text / images, I use my own scripting language to put content up. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: PM me your order info. I'll check on it |
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<T0mW> |
its on the truck |
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GPSFan sees that FexEx finally has it in their system. It's now in New Jersey, on its way to Colorado from Arizona..... supposed to be here the 28th, one week later than originally estimated. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: LOL! sorry, but I just had to laugh about that. :-? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I've been watching the FedEx page for about a week, then it finally said something last Friday, nothing about it being in NJ though. Then Saturday it showed up in New Jersey. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: apparently, somebody dropped shipped the Z2s to the Keasbey, NJ terminal? Prolly off a container shipment out of Fort Lee, NJ. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: I guess the route for FedEx ground goes from Az to a hub in Nj |
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<GPSFan> |
that could be too. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: didn't you know that the Great Circle Route is faster? |
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<GPSFan> |
ah, that explains why PHBs run around in circles... |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: heh. to make a point to a customer, I ran a traceroute between his office and my place here. We have about 40 miles separation by air, 55 miles by hiway. the packets were being routed through southern NJ, Maryland, then DC, Virgina, then into Harrisburg PA, ... |
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<T0mW> |
a one way trip of about 600mile |
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<T0mW> |
the Z2 seems tiny compared against the Z1. Z1 looms over it. |
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<T0mW> |
I like the backlit keys |
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<T0mW> |
LCD backlight is definately bright enough! |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you definately want to plug the AC into this puppy before you turn it on. it downloads a bunch of updates and the LIon seems to only have a residual charge in it. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: good to know, I guess I'll find out on Wed. ;>( |
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<T0mW> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: decent color screen on it. 72mm diagonal: 60mm X 45mm |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: did it come with a headset? the FCC docs show one, as well as the charger. it has a boom mile too. |
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<GPSFan> |
mike.. |
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<T0mW> |
manual, charger, Z2 and an iron-on decal |
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<T0mW> |
at least I think it is a decal |
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<GPSFan> |
the cpu has all sorts of nice built in peripherials, now it's time to find out what's on that expansion connector. |
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<T0mW> |
heh :D |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: maybe we can ask drmikecrowe ? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I don't want to scratch this pretty little case, just yet. |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Mostly gpio and lots of signals. I have just received a rough idea. Our engineers are putting together a package I can release on the web site. I hope I can complete that this week |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: you do what you have to do, I am in no hurry... But, Ken here might be the impatient type. hehheh |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I know, I know! I used to think I could leap talk buildings with a single bound (until I worked here) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: IOW, you got out of school and got a job. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: since I won't get my Z2 till later this week, it's no big deal. but it is definately on the "list" |
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<drmikecrowe> |
lol -- T0mW, would you believe I'm a veteran? 5 years designing, 12 in the technology field while doing systems stuff on the side, and now architecting this. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
It's a blast |
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<GPSFan> |
mating connector availability as well. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: I know, I love doing new stuff |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Keeps life fun |
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<T0mW> |
especially if you have more than one project to work on at a time. I need multiple projs so that I get stuck on one, I can go work on another for a while. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I think I've seen a similar conn on TFT displays |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: I would hope it is not custom to the Z2. |
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<GPSFan> |
that is if there are any useful signals on it. like USB, serial, spi... |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: 0.5mm pin spacing |
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<GPSFan> |
jtag even |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you know how the SATA conns on the m'board look like? Where they are "face" contact type? |
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<GPSFan> |
yep. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: that is what this connector resembles. it is a slab of plastic with connector strips on its facing |
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<T0mW> |
s/connector/connector metal/ |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: miniSD card inserts and is flush with the outer case |
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<T0mW> |
what is interesting is that I'm still getting people wanting their Z1s modified. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: how do you get it out? is it spring loaded? |
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<T0mW> |
push-push conn |
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<T0mW> |
yes, spring loaded so you can eject it up to 10 feet away if it slips, heh |
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<GPSFan> |
woopie.. |
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<T0mW> |
internet radio |
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<T0mW> |
cool, mute and un-mute |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: will fit in a T-shirt breast pocket |
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<GPSFan> |
the wolfson micro 8750 codec has mono mic in, as well as a builtin speaker driver. |
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<GPSFan> |
it could be a SIP VOIP device. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: skype anyone? |
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<GPSFan> |
can you say closed source, Skype would have to port, and the CPU probably doesn't have enough horse power. |
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<T0mW> |
well, maybe not skype |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: has yours phoned home to update its software yet? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: yeah, immediately after booting. Same warning "do not shutoff during update..." |
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<GPSFan> |
so you are at 1.0, or higher? |
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<T0mW> |
still at 1.00 Nov 14, 2007 |
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<GPSFan> |
geeze, they have had almost 2 weeks, it should be at at least 2.5 by now ;>) |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: how's the wifi sensitivity? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: seems pretty good, but haven't done much with it other than to walk outside |
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<T0mW> |
definately will wait for the linux.zipitwireless.com website before I start hacking code for it. |
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<GPSFan> |
k, I was amazed at how god the Nokia 770's wifi was, Connexant wifi chipset. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I'm going into town later so I will try it out at a spot I know was weak. Without access to the iwtools, it is hard to tell. |
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<T0mW> |
uhoh |
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<T0mW> |
I think I locked it up |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: wow! It is loud! |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: no puny little speaker in this thing! |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: I like it, I think you have a great little gimmick there. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Thanks, T0mW, we're getting there. |
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<T0mW> |
I have the lid cracked open 1.5" and listening to internet radio. It has respectable volume |
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<T0mW> |
the backlights have gone off so it should conserve power pretty well |
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<T0mW> |
I can see kids using this thing |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: I did lock it up though |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Upgrading the first time? |
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<T0mW> |
no, using the internet radio. I might recall the keystrokes, but I had to pull the battery as it wouldn't repsond to the power off switch |
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<drmikecrowe> |
There's a tiny reset switch on the left side |
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<T0mW> |
safe to use that? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yes, just like pulling battery |
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<T0mW> |
ok |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Any lockups you see, please help me fully understand. |
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<T0mW> |
will do |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: change the logo on the lid to a lensed image and have it wink at you when you view it from a differnet angle. |
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<T0mW> |
no need for holograph, just serrated lens |
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<drmikecrowe> |
LOL -- that's great. I'll pass that along |
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<T0mW> |
I did half expect it do wink as I tipped the unit. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: Make sure you register on the web site -- you can then change those 4 radio stations to others. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm working on getting an updated list from the people who supply that to us |
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<T0mW> |
ok good |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: it would be nice to edit your personal list... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
of stations or buddies? Both are on the list of enhancements coming soon |
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<T0mW> |
stations. I admin some linux boxes at three KFC stores for a client, I just put a list of some internet radio stations together for him to use to play in the lobbies. |
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<T0mW> |
tried to focus on country, jazz and oldies for him |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We are supposed to be licensing these "good" links, and they keep them fresh. I just haven't gotten an update posted yet to the site |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: heading home -- back later |
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<T0mW> |
k |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: can the Z2 keep date+time between powerdowns? IOW, battery backed clock ? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: the rtc runs off the main battery, so you should be fine |
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<T0mW> |
good |
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<T0mW> |
that was annoying w/Z1 where it didn't know date/time on powerup and no network connection |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yep |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: do you know much about the software architecture of the Z2? ie. the Z1's main app had its own internal drivers for the video, kbd, power control. It used some kernel modules for wifi and sound. What about the Z2? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Not that much yet. I hope to release as much of the drivers as I can, to help the community build up quickly |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: I'm just trying to get an idea about what drivers will have to be developed, vs what will be useable out of the box. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Understood -- I hope that core stuff should be fairly easy to release to OSS, but I don't know for sure yet. I have to get a look at the code |
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<GPSFan> |
ok, another question about the bootloader. at one time you implied that it could load the rootfs (and maybe kernel) from the sd card, is this true? |
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<GPSFan> |
and is it a home-grown bootloader of something like RedBoot, or u-boot? |
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<GPSFan> |
s/of/or |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey ken, what's up? |
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<GPSFan> |
looks like my z2 will get here tomorrow, it finally showed up on FedEx's tracking system in Henderson CO, this afternoon, from prior experiencre that means it will be here tomorrow. :>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
lol -- sorry it has taken so long. Things have been crazy here, as you can imagine |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I have 90% of the forge site ready, then hit a major snag -- trac wouldn't come up. Some conflict between python2.5 and apache. grrr |
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<GPSFan> |
I can, tahings have been busy here too, so I wouldn't have had time to play with it, |
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<GPSFan> |
what is going to be on the forge when you go live? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
kernel, rear connector docs, etc. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I want to include block diagrams too (of the h/w) |
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<GPSFan> |
any bootloader or rootfs info? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
In about a week, I will be posting full docs on how to boot off the sd card |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) |
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<GPSFan> |
that will make a lot of folks happy... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm not sure about the bootloader -- I think it will boot to a point and then switch to the sd card, after which you have full control |
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<GPSFan> |
did you find out whether it was home-grown or something like RedBoot or u-boot? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
i haven't yet. It's on that ever-growing list of stuff... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm now downloading a new virtual machine to re-build this forge on a new instance. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
what a pain |
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<GPSFan> |
btw, thanks for your efforts. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We're getting there. With all the stuff I have to do (parental portal, widgets, etc), I've been happy that this is the top priority! That's comforting |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: I'm oop for a bit -- need to get some exercise in. I'll be back in 30-45m or so |
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<GPSFan> |
cul, I gotta go eat dinner... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ok, ping me tomorrow. If you are free, I might ave an advanced look to let you view |
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<drmikecrowe> |
(if I can get it up tonight like I hope) |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) thanks.. cu tomorrow.. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey ken, what's up |
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<GPSFan> |
gotit... ;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
so, so close. I got trac up at 4:30pm, and am loading some stuff in it now. I'm also going to try and see what I can release |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I also have all the patches |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Question for you: Our system is based on 2.6.21.1. How bad will it be if I just reference that version but not supply it? point to kernel.org? |
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<GPSFan> |
great, Got a question, how do you enter a ip address manually? |
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<GPSFan> |
foundit... |
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<GPSFan> |
do you supply patches to that version of the kernel? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yes |
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<GPSFan> |
and if you use a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. I believe the "letter of the GPLv2" says you still have to provide the source. But I believe it is accepted taht you can just reference the source at kernel.org. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I got it from our engineering group, but it had an error in the tar. I've asked for them to rebuild it, hopefully will be asap |
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<GPSFan> |
it is very difficult to enter ip addresses with the way the shift/alt key functions work. and when it fails to work, all the fields are blank when you try again. I may have to enable dhcp for a bit on my access point. |
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<GPSFan> |
the screen is really nice. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ugh, I didn't think about that for the IP address. We have very few people who enter pure IP addresses. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
You can press the ALT key twice to "lock" it into numeric mode -- but that doesn't help your periods |
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<GPSFan> |
yeah, my keyboard driver allowed yuu to hold down the alt key and type all the numbers you wanted, releasing it to type the period's. |
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<GPSFan> |
ip address entry was very fast |
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<drmikecrowe> |
maybe we can incorporate that in the next release :D |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We need to address, but there's a lot of other things to do first... |
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<GPSFan> |
your market targets probably all have dhcp enabled, it's just us hackers that dont ;>) |
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<GPSFan> |
I wouldn't worry about it unless you get complaints form you target audience. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Actually, improving the keyboard to allow simultaneous modifier+key is useful. |
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<GPSFan> |
I'll have to look up in my notes how the Z1 keyboard was set up, but it wsa able to handle at least the alt key+other keys. I wish though that the implementation had been slightly different, because of the way the lid switch was wired in, it prevented me from using interrupts on the kbd driver. it wound up being a polled interface. No one seemed to notice and it worked as well as I hoped it would. |
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<GPSFan> |
I think it has crashed. I got the network setup, it authorized, and said it was downloading System. it got to 1% and the spinning Z stopped, and it's just sitting there. Anything I can do to see if it's still alive? it's been that way for about 5 minutes. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
The Z should never stop spinning, if it does, reset it |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We have an issue that updating when at the "edge" of the wireless range can cause this. We keep working on improving the wifi range, and are building it up better. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
However, in some cases, being distant from the router can cause problems on upgrades. |
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<GPSFan> |
ok.it's got 3 bars on the ap display, the ap is about 20' away. |
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<GPSFan> |
I'll enable dhcp so I don't have to type in all that stuff each time. time for dinner anyway. cul.. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Do you remember if there was a version number was of the app when it booted? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ok -- later |
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<GPSFan> |
yes, .91 |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We had to release that version weeks ago to get into manufacturing. This first upgrade is less robust, but should work fine if you move a little closer |
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<drmikecrowe> |
dang startup issues.... |
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<GPSFan> |
par for the course. can't move closer. it also sees my ISP's access point that is 300' away at 3 bars also. very strange. |
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<GPSFan> |
btw my z1 can access that access point from about 700' away. I do a lot of wireless networking stuff out here in the boonies. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: well I enabled dhcp, the Z2 found and got configured automatically, as it should, then the same thing happened, it went out to update the firmware, and stopped. This time I could ping the Z2. but the update seems to hav crashed. I repeated this twice. with the same result. My network is 802.11b, not b/g, so my next try will be switching to a b/g network. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Do you have any security enabled? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
(on your wifi)? |
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<GPSFan> |
no |
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<GPSFan> |
Rats... I don't have a 802.11g capable router eaisly available. need to wait till tomorrow for that. |
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<GPSFan> |
btw, for the next rev of firmware it might be nice to sense when the Z2 is plugged in and not dim/blank the screen so quickly. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: ping... you alive? |
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<T0mW> |
yes |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: wassup? |
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<GPSFan> |
I got my Z2, but am having problems getting it online. when it goes out to the net to do its first update it freezes at the update 1% mark. is your wifi net an 802.11G net? |
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<T0mW> |
yes, b/g |
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<GPSFan> |
ok, thats what I'll have to try next, mine is 802.11b only. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: no firewall, the wifi is on a separate ethernet card and the card is allowed unrestricted internet access without blocking. Only thing is that I MASQ that connection |
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<GPSFan> |
but I don't hold out too much hope, I see the Z2 going out on the net in the router logs, but nothing happens. I think I have all the firewall stuff turned off. |
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<GPSFan> |
all my z1's had no problem, and none of my other wireless devices have problems either. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: will the Z2 run without any wifi present? |
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<GPSFan> |
I'll probably have to setup etherial to sniff out what's going on. no the zipit really wants a wifi connection to do it's initial update. |
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<T0mW> |
IIRC, my wifi is a crappy Netgear WGR614? |
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<GPSFan> |
I can ping the Z2, even after the update app freezes, so something is still alive. |
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<GPSFan> |
I've tried 2 different accesspoints same results with both. |
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<GPSFan> |
thanks anyway... |
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<T0mW> |
does not sound good. Maybe you need to be patient? It took about 4..5 minutes to download the updates, I have 15Mb/s link into the cloud and at 802.11g, 4 minutes would be a lot of data? |
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<GPSFan> |
it would really be nice if there was an ssh daemon running on the Z2 on some odd port. |
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<T0mW> |
LOL |
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<GPSFan> |
I lerft mine at the 1% screen for a half hour and nothing. |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, with libssl being somewhere near 1meg, that's one app you won't see in a stock Z2 |
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<GPSFan> |
the amount of data may depend on Zipit's servers and if they throttle the update data rates |
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<GPSFan> |
well I have dropbear on my Z1 along with a lot of othe stuff. |
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<T0mW> |
dropbear is smaller, yes |
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<GPSFan> |
I guess I'll find out about their tech support. The screen is nice though. |
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<T0mW> |
notice that it is a cellphone LCD? |
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<GPSFan> |
I noticed that the rgb stripes are sideways. |
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<T0mW> |
view it from left side vs. right side, you can see that the viewing angle is definately better along one axis |
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<GPSFan> |
mighty big display for a phone, smartphone maybe. |
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<T0mW> |
nod |
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<GPSFan> |
night... |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping.. got my Z2 to connect & update. It seems that it uses port 80 in both directions, and I had incomming port 80 forwarded to my weather site. So it updated to V1.0. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Port 80? It should be using 443. Maybe that first rev still used 80. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I didn't even think to ask about that |
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<GPSFan> |
I tried it with 2 different access points here and got hte same result. I then looked at my router logs and it looked like something was trying to get to www.zipitwireless.net:80. so I tried another site I have that has exactly the same router setup except for the port 80 forward. it worked fine from about 100' away from the ap. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: the setup wizzard never asked me to register. Page 12 after setting up IM accounts. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Yep, that's a misprint. We thought we'd have a registration process in place, but we don't. If you go to the zipitwireless.com site, you can register to download customizations. That's about all we have at this time |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ok, just trying to ferret out any obvious bugs. what's the latest on the forge site? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm pumping info onto it right now. I have about 5 projects I want to create and upload |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: estimate date/time to "go live"? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Honestly, probably Monday, GPSFan. I wanted to finish today, but just don't have it complete. If you (or T0mW) need some of the info prior, drop me a note. I'll see if I can let you in early |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: to what e-mail addy? consider the note dropped. ;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
lol! ok, let me start asking. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Question on the router error. We're trying to understand exactly what in your setup caused the issue. In theory, we're just opening a web page (like any browser on any computer on your network) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
How did you have the router set up that was affecting this? |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: It's a netgear MR814v2 and I had port forwarding enabled for port 80, with the destination ap as a machine on my local net: 192.168.0.xxx |
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<drmikecrowe> |
sure, that's how I have it at my house too. What did you change to get it to work, remove that? |
| [13:33:38] |
<GPSFan> |
This is what is in the routers access log now: [ALLOW:www.zipitwireless.net] Source:192.168.0.199 Friday, 30 Nov 2007 10:29:56 Before the update I had the same basic message except that the www.zipitwireless.net had a :80 after it. |
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<GPSFan> |
When I changed to an identical ap without the port frowarding, the update proceeded as expected. |
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<GPSFan> |
the Z2 is now working on the port forwarded net. |
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<GPSFan> |
without issue. |
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<GPSFan> |
except for the "repeating" I get on several stationz, could be a buffering issue, or a connectivity problem. I've only listened to 3 and it seems to happen more on some than others, must be a network issue causing a buffer repeat of about 1-2 seconds worth of audio. |
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<GPSFan> |
yeah, I'm getting re-buffering events on my Nokia 770 as well, but far less often, and it buffers quite a bit of audio, so it's not as obvious. |
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<Magon> |
it tries autonomly connect to zipitwireless.com and download update? |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: yes |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: any chance to disable that |
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<Magon> |
? |
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<Magon> |
at http://linux.zipitwireless.com there is something wanting password.... |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: do you know already how hard it is to boot own rootfs? |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: untill we learn more about the booting process probably not. btw it goes off to www.zipitwireless.net not .com as it's first update. |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: not yet. |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: i was told you have been involved in developement somehow |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: I did a lot of the kernel drivers and the rootfs for OpenZipit for the Z1. I just got my Z2 yesterday. I am in no way affiliated with Zipit, Zipitwireless, or Aeronix. |
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<Magon> |
ok |
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<Magon> |
have you seen on it some way to get serial line or USB out of it? |
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<Magon> |
and drmikecrowe seems like he would provide us info about how to start |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: as I said, I just got mine yesterday, I haven't even opened it up. I have no info as yet about its insides. |
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<Magon> |
ok but on the sufrace is just the one unknown connector |
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<Magon> |
i am probably going to get one later, as i am from europe it is a bit dificult |
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<GPSFan> |
about 36 pins of unknown territory. |
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<Magon> |
i hope 2 are serial connector |
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<Magon> |
and good is that we should have no problems getting SD card slot working |
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<GPSFan> |
mini-SD not SD |
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<Magon> |
the same on technical side |
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<GPSFan> |
correct. unless you don't have one. I thought it was SD at first, the descriptions are not as clear as one might hope. |
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<Magon> |
btw: what have aeronix to do with zipit? i am not aware of too much details |
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<Magon> |
yes..i have no mini-SD as well, but it shouldn't be a problem...it got cheap last year |
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<GPSFan> |
aeronix designed the Z1, and does contract design as a business. |
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<Magon> |
ok, i understand..i have heard something like this |
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<Magon> |
btw: how much are you familiar with OE? |
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<Magon> |
it seem like now there are 3 people willing to hack Z2, but i am not the OE guy |
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<GPSFan> |
I have tried to use OE several times, each ending in total failure. I usually use buildroot. I think OE has lots of potential, but a very steep learning curve, as well as an internal development process that routinely breaks what others are trying to use. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Hey folks, I have the docs on the expansion port, and most stuff that is needed to start developing, I just have to review it all to make sure we are complying with licenses. |
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<GPSFan> |
there are actually many more interested in Z2 hacking. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
For instance, I don't think we can release the marvell code, so, I need to make sure that we reference their site. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: good news,.. |
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<Magon> |
great |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yeah, just need time. I have the forge up (though protected until our attorneys can review), and am busy adding content. As soon as I get a reasonable amount of info in there, we will open it up |
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<Magon> |
yes..but we need to get someone writting the OE stuff..i can use OE, but not build OE |
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<Magon> |
i dont want any NDA doc...that is a bit tricky :-) |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: the repeating problem on the internet radio stations seems to have gone away over the last hour, definately a network issue. but it seems to trigger a really objectionable buffer replay. Nothing is ever bug free. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
plus, that's an old list. Monday, I will update with a better list of stations |
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<Crofton> |
I am the OW guy |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: depending on the exact implementation of the marvel wifi stuff, the libertas driver may work. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Magon: no NDA for basic purposes, but an EULA agreeing to help protect our ip |
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<drmikecrowe> |
That would be great |
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<Crofton> |
er OE |
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<Magon> |
the wifi is working -> there should be driver in kernel -> there have to be sources |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: |
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<Magon> |
? |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: ok great |
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<Crofton> |
Magon, the driver is very likely a grey area |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: like always :-) |
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<Crofton> |
which marvell chip |
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<Crofton> |
we have source for some marvel wifi parts |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: i hope you can handle the beast |
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<Crofton> |
yeah |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: we? |
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<Crofton> |
I am not looking at the zipit for a few weeks, finishing a MS degree atm |
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<Crofton> |
we is an OE |
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<Magon> |
ok |
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<Crofton> |
I am not a guru though, so hopefully it is straight forward :) |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: that is just fine..OE will be needed after some time we get basic stuff working |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: probably just basic writting of bake files |
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<Crofton> |
yeah and creation of machine file |
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<Crofton> |
and figure out kernel build |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: kernel can be usually easily builded without OE..it is usualy simplier, but user-space stuff is harder without OE |
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<Crofton> |
I want a complete solution :) |
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<Magon> |
best would be to get portage compiling cross-platform smootly :-) |
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<Crofton> |
my impression is we need to flash a microSD card with everything |
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<Magon> |
Crofton: yes, but for developement i always used non OE building, but for distribution is OE need |
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<Crofton> |
yep |
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<Magon> |
btw: do you think you are able to make step by step howto developing apps with OE...that is think i never learned |
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<Crofton> |
we are trying to make it easier to do dev using OE generated tool chains |
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<Magon> |
it always rebuilded half of tree |
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<Crofton> |
I need to study the progress made |
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<Magon> |
i have been developing a bit for openmoko, but i did some nasty hack to be able to develop app easyly |
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<Magon> |
i think i got everything working for x86, and than rebuilded working stuff for ARM and tried |
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T0mW is listen to jazz via Z2 |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: I got mine running.. early this am. it had to do with port forwarding on my router. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: firewall :( |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: not quite, I had incomming port 80 forwarded to a machine on the inside of the NAT. V.92 didn't quite like it. Without the port forward all was well. 1.0 seems not to mind the forwarding. |
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<T0mW> |
yawn |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: still hard at work? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey, yeah -- I just got all the source code, and am trying to figure out what's open and not. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm about to crash, though |
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<T0mW> |
not me, I didn't hit the sack until 6AM yesterday |
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<T0mW> |
8am the day before. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
lol -- hard at work? |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, routing my first 4 layer board |
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<T0mW> |
not too bad, I like having more than 2 layers. Just haven't had the need to do more than two before this. |
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<T0mW> |
two more signals to go... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Doing by hand? |
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<T0mW> |
always, I don't like the results that autorouters give |
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<T0mW> |
I have one, just don't bother with it |
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<drmikecrowe> |
understood. Although I have an EE, I've been more of a firmware guy -- never laying out boards |
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<T0mW> |
oops, forgot a FET |
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<T0mW> |
I do embedded systems |
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<T0mW> |
software + hardware |
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<T0mW> |
I've been listening to music all night on my Z2 |
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<T0mW> |
I love doing the software part, but in order to do software I need a cool platform to run it on. |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: you guys going to release the schematics, or will I have to purchase another Z2 to reverse engineer it as I did the Z1? |
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<T0mW> |
:P |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hehe, unfortunately, no schematics. I think the hope was to open up the sdcard + expansion port so you didn't have to |
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<T0mW> |
Always nice to see how someone else designed something. I've learned a lot over the years reading other peoples schematics. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Part of the game -- investment needs IP, IP must be protected, etc. |
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<T0mW> |
... pointy haired bosses get their knickers twisted over the "IP" phrase. |
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<T0mW> |
I didn't think that we would see any, just thought I'd ask anyway. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hp |
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<drmikecrowe> |
np* |
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<T0mW> |
IF, we cannot get source to specific kernel drivers will you be releasing them as binary objects? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I need to defer answering that until I figure it out. The hard one I envision is the marvell drivers. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I hope we can release keyboard drivers and such, but I just need time to get that out |
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<T0mW> |
Well, it may cause problems for us if we pull the module out of your kernel modules dir inside the Z2 then attempt to distro them to make a complete third-party distro |
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<drmikecrowe> |
In theory, the sd card will be completely self contained. If I can release the object files for our graphics/sound drivers, that may help speed things up |
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<T0mW> |
nod |
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<T0mW> |
are we going to able to boot our own kernel from the SD card or just a filesystem? e.g. /etc/rc |
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<T0mW> |
or |
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<T0mW> |
/sbin/init |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Crofton: ping |
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<Crofton|home> |
hey |
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<Crofton|home> |
yeah, this is the desktop |
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<Crofton|home> |
brb |
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<drmikecrowe> |
tyt |
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<Crofton|home> |
bk |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey Crofton|home, what's up? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
It's early for you, isn't it? |
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<Crofton|home> |
not really |
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<Crofton|home> |
late even |
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<Crofton|home> |
I am in Balcksburg |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Aren't you in Colorado? |
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<Crofton|home> |
er Bkacksburg |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ah, doh. |
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<Crofton|home> |
no |
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<Crofton|home> |
GPSFan maybe |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<Crofton|home> |
anyway, what distro you building for> |
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<drmikecrowe> |
So, I'm trying to get a first pass at building the tool-chain. I was going to base off angstrom 2008.1, but that's what was failing when it tried to build mpfr-native |
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<drmikecrowe> |
crap, changing to 2007.1 and rebuilding got to the same poing |
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<drmikecrowe> |
point* |
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<Crofton|home> |
hmm |
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<Crofton|home> |
you have updated? |
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<Crofton|home> |
this sounds real familiar ... |
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<Crofton|home> |
mpfr? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yes, last night before I started |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<Crofton|home> |
http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3363 |
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<Crofton|home> |
not sure why this isn't fixed/clsed though |
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<drmikecrowe> |
So, here's a question: The current kernel is based off 2.6.21, Looks like angstrom 2007 uses 2.6.20, and 2008 uses 2.6.22, right? |
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<Crofton|home> |
ok, I am running an angstrom buidl |
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<Crofton|home> |
hmmm |
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<Crofton|home> |
I think the kernel comes from machie file |
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<Crofton|home> |
although maybe the distro prefers certain versions? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I didn't know if angstrom was picky. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm not sure it really matters, but I have a secondary objective to build a program which might run cooperatively with the app |
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<Crofton|home> |
what do you mean? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Just that I want to experiment on the widgets -- building something like lua that might be able to executed by the application |
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<Crofton|home> |
which application? the one on the sipit? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I *think* though, that it will require rebuilding the core gui into libraries |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<Crofton|home> |
that would likely be the best approach |
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<drmikecrowe> |
btw, that didn't solve the problem. It's almost as if it won't download mpfr |
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<drmikecrowe> |
the tmp/work directory is virtually empty |
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<Crofton|home> |
I need to look into the meta-toochain target |
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<Crofton|home> |
I am pullingm, then I will run a build |
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<drmikecrowe> |
here's what I tentatively targeted for zipit2.conf |
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<drmikecrowe> |
http://zipit.pastebin.com/d2e26e026 |
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<drmikecrowe> |
then here for the zipit2.inc |
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<drmikecrowe> |
http://zipit.pastebin.com/m4604a55d |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I was trying to get a small core that would be the basics |
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<Crofton|home> |
xscale processor? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right, pxa270 |
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<Crofton|home> |
so you build a file system that loads onto SD and insert it into the zipit? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<Crofton|home> |
where does kernel come from? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
It will be on the SD. I've requested an example SD layout to post on the wiki |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I *think* the bootloader checks to see if there is a valid kernel and all on the sd and then switches to boot from it |
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<Crofton|home> |
like in /boot? |
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<Crofton|home> |
what boot loader? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Not sure yet. I'll document that once I get the example |
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<drmikecrowe> |
btw, it's using blob and busybox |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Crofton|home: did you have a chance to look at those pastebin's? |
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<Crofton|home> |
why the inc? |
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<Crofton|home> |
the main reason for suing a .inc file would be to keep common stuff for multiple similar machines |
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<Crofton|home> |
drmikecrowe, my omap5912osk build completed without the mpfr problemn ... |
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<T0mW> |
FireEgl: arpa net? |
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<T0mW> |
FireEgl: are you on an IP6 network? Just wondering? |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: morning.. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey GPSFan, what's up? |
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<GPSFan> |
not much a bit nippy out this morning. any idea when the info will go live? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm still working on it. I had a server problem yesterday that delayed me. Sorry |
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<GPSFan> |
k. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Believe me, this is the next thing we want to release, and do it ASAP. The only thing higher priority for me is making sure the core servers are up.... |
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<GPSFan> |
and that they have a good backup system. don't want to loose what you have worked hard to get going. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yes, exactly. I'm working on replicating the databases now, just to make sure. Plus get all the notification systems in place (for when it does go down) |
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<GPSFan> |
I did some basic battery life tests over the weekend. from a full charge, and just sitting idle with the radio connected, My Z2 ran6hrs 45min till it beeped about the batt being low. It then took 2.5hrs to come back to "full charge". |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe: how many people is maintraing servers? or it is just you? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Magon: We have multiple groups maintaining different aspects. I maintain the back-end sites |
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<Magon> |
ok |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I get about 3 hours playing music |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: that is across the wifi (internet radio), it maybe can go longer if the music is on the SD card. |
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* |
T0mW just bought another Z2 on ebay |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: how much did you pay/ I haven't tried long-playing internet radio yet. It works, but has a nasty buffer-replay effect if there is internet conjestion/errors. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: $127.50 + $10 shipping |
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<GPSFan> |
;>) |
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<T0mW> |
:) Toaster oven |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: you going to de-pop the board? |
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<T0mW> |
yes |
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<GPSFan> |
;>) |
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<T0mW> |
:D |
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<GPSFan> |
then you wil lots of spare parts. |
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<T0mW> |
LOL |
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<T0mW> |
teeny little spare parts |
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<GPSFan> |
I needed a 1k 0402 resistor the other day, very hard to find in the junkbox, I had to settle for a 0603. |
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<T0mW> |
0603 is about as small as I go |
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<GPSFan> |
the only 0402's were on the Z1 board I depopulated. |
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<GPSFan> |
and there weren't any 1k's |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: difficult transaction on ebay with getting that Z2 |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: really, I saw a lot of Z2 on ebay, many that sold for $99 BIN+ship wonder why there are so many for sale so soon after introduction. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: probably they are seeding them into ebay to generate promotional interest. Look at the item: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200179994122&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=010 |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: it looks like a promotional package. IMO, the seller is upset that a 54yr old male bought a package tailored to a teenage girl. LOL |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: gee, how'd they find that out? |
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<GPSFan> |
Ah, you just bought it for the tee shirt...;>) |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: naw, the orange sack to put my Z2 into. |
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<GPSFan> |
that's a better deal than we got with out 10% off. a 1G mini mmc card would sure be useful, the other stuff is just so much unwanted packing material |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I think it threw her for a loop when the buyer shipto came back as a company name. |
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<GPSFan> |
yeah that throws a lot of e-bay sellers off in a loop sometimes... |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I'll give the t-shirt to my niece |
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<GPSFan> |
sure hope we see some details soon. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: maybe a z2 as well. Dunno if Kristen can figure "mechanical" things out or not. She definitely lives in a world very unlike the one we do. |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<GPSFan> |
most teenagers do. |
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<T0mW> |
she is 22 |
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<T0mW> |
and, my sister wonders about her as well |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: oh, and here is the kicker, Kristen works at the USPS. So you know what that means? eh? |
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<GPSFan> |
USPS... home of the completely useless tracking system. but lately their shipping prices have been better than UPS or FedEx. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: their deliveries are much much faster than either UPS or FedEx. Aside from the tracking issue, they are my preferred method of shipment (Priority Mail). |
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<T0mW> |
I asked Advanced Circuits if they could send my prototype PCBs via USPS Priority Mail. UPS takes a week to send them via Ground. I get deliveries from Las Vegas, NV in 1..2 days via Priority Mail. |
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<GPSFan> |
we ship a lot of large very light boxes (wool) and often times the USPS wins for shipping, but they all change on a semi irregular basis. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: maybe you can take the wool, put it into a plastic bag, suck all the air out with a vacuum and put it into a smaller box? |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: that is SOP. |
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<T0mW> |
ah |
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<GPSFan> |
it's still light, and tends to expand rapidly upon opening ;>)) |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: just thought I'm mention it, you never know that some people may overlook the obvious. |
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<T0mW> |
LOL |
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<T0mW> |
shusssssst! |
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<GPSFan> |
hopefully it never gets opened for "postal inspection". |
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<T0mW> |
it would serve them noisy idiots right if they attempted it |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) |
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<T0mW> |
"hmmm, this could be plastic explosives..." |
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<T0mW> |
s/plastic/organic/ |
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<T0mW> |
PennDot has got their salt trucks roaming the hi-ways today. |
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<GPSFan> |
we had our snow storm on sat evening.. we had about 6" on the ground on top of about 1/2 inch of ice. |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, heard it was bad out west |
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<GPSFan> |
mostly melted in the valley by yesterday, but we still have quite a bit on the ground. |
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<T0mW> |
I'll have to send my TS850 out for reconditioning / repair soon. Maybe the sunspot cycle will be on the upswing soon. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: what do you do to feed them in the winter? hay? |
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<GPSFan> |
yep, they graze in the orchard in summer and we buy hay, and feed that in winter. about ~100 tons. |
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<T0mW> |
lotta hay |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: where do you get your hay from? |
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<GPSFan> |
indeed, makes lotsa manure... |
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<GPSFan> |
various places locally, the last 2 years we have been able to get it from a neighbor. less than a mile away. |
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<T0mW> |
sheep sh!t is almost as bad a chicken sh!t, I can take cow sh!t or horse sh!t, they don't smell half as bad. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I grew up on a dairy farm, so cow manure smells like perfume to me. |
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<GPSFan> |
o'contrair. raw sheepshit is very mild. and it can be used on gardens without much composting. sort of "timed release pellets" ;>) |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I still recall the day that my brother an I lathered ourselves with cow manure and then went down to the farmhouse to impress our Mother. heh, she hosed us down. |
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<GPSFan> |
we trade it to the winery across the street for wine. |
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<T0mW> |
never gets boring for a kid on a farm |
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<GPSFan> |
bbl.. |
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GPSFan: you opened your Z2 yet? |
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T0mW: naw, been to involved with other stuff. I was sort of hoping to see some info this week. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping.. hey, how goes the server setup? have the lawyers finished, or is it going to be a multi-month $$$ eating effort? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey GPSFan, that's the final step. I have it virtually ready, with the stuff loaded (including the docking connector). I'm waiting on that final signoff |
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<GPSFan> |
anytime soon? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
It should be ASAP, because we (Zipit) have reviewed it. I have a little more info on booting off the SD that I want to enter, but we should be very, very close |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Crofton: ping |
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<Crofton> |
pong |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Howdy, what's up? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Crofton: sorry, dc'd |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Late today, I'd like for you and Tom to beta test the forge, if you are free. |
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<Crofton> |
ok |
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<Crofton> |
I am pretty busy this week, thesis revisiosn and painting a room at home |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Understood |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: drat, I need your email again Mike |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping.. |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: hi, have you seen the site already? |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: no I was out all day yesterday, what did I miss? |
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<Magon> |
the site from title is in testing mode |
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<Magon> |
drmikecrowe might grain you access to it |
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<GPSFan> |
it is asking for a username & password. I'll ask him. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: I'm trying -- today has been a mess |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: have you already investigated your unit? |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: not very closely, I've played some tunes and watched it update the firmware and not change any of the revision numbers. I just got a mini-SD card just for the Z2. Beyond that, no. |
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<Magon> |
ok |
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<Magon> |
there is a way how to lunch any application at boot from mini-SD card and inside is busybox |
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<Magon> |
so it maybe possible to lunch terminal and see what is inside |
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<Magon> |
does it have headphone jack? |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: I'm interested to see how closely the userland of the Z2 resembles the Z1. How the peripherials are handled (main app vs kernel drivers) and how the bootloader loads the kernel & userland stuff. |
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<Magon> |
dont you know if there is X or something else? |
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<Magon> |
to know how the bootloader loads kernel is about the first i want do investigate once my unit arives |
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<Magon> |
gn |
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<GuestBaha44> |
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<Rossimo> |
for running applications on the Z2, must the SD card be formatted in any special way? |
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<Magon> |
try FAT32 |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah, it's "vfat" right now |
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<Rossimo> |
should i expect CLI applications to just print to the screen, or do i have to initiate anything? |
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<Magon> |
should work..but cannot test still doesnt have one |
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<Magon> |
that is what i dont know...are there X ? |
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<Rossimo> |
nope, no X yet |
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<Magon> |
so it should print on screen |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah, i've just tried compiling simple hello world, and it just froze on me at the Zipit logo screen |
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<Magon> |
:-( |
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<Rossimo> |
hmm, i have to pull the battery to get it to turn off |
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<Magon> |
bad |
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<Magon> |
so there will be a small problem getting shell up |
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<Magon> |
maybe..try to execute getty |
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<Rossimo> |
that doesn't do anything either |
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<Rossimo> |
i put "getty" in to the z2script.sh |
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<Rossimo> |
and nothing happens again |
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<Magon> |
that is quite bad |
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<Magon> |
maybe try something like ps aux > /mnt/sd0/ps |
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<Magon> |
or ls / -R > /mnt/sd0/ls |
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<Magon> |
ps aux wont work |
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<Rossimo> |
there's not really a convenient/elegant way to do this. i'm scared i'm going to tear one of the battery wires when i keep pulling it out |
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<Magon> |
just ps |
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<Magon> |
:-( |
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<Magon> |
battery is not easily reachable? |
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<Rossimo> |
you can get to it pretty easy, but i hate repeatedly taking it out, i just don't break anything |
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<Magon> |
ok |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah, no luck with the ps command |
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<Magon> |
nothing on card? |
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<Rossimo> |
just nothing prints out at all |
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<Rossimo> |
sticks at the logo screen |
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<Magon> |
:-( |
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<Magon> |
seems like a big problem |
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<Rossimo> |
hmm |
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<Magon> |
i cannot thing about it now..i have tomorrow an examp |
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<Rossimo> |
wait |
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<Rossimo> |
one sec |
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<Magon> |
still here |
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<Magon> |
just cannot thing about it too much |
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<Rossimo> |
haha, i ran "ps > /mnt/sd0/ps" and it created an empty an empty file called "ps" on the root directory of the card |
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<Magon> |
wierd |
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<Magon> |
try simply ls -ahlR / > /mnt/sd0/ls |
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<Rossimo> |
alright |
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<Rossimo> |
http://zipit.pastebin.com/m3be60aa7 |
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<Magon> |
great worked :-) |
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<Rossimo> |
ok, it seems that if i hit the reset button on the left side of the device, it will turn it off |
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<Rossimo> |
and it doesn't change of the zipit settings. at least i have a way to execute this code without pulling the battery |
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<Magon> |
ok great |
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<Rossimo> |
alright, it seems i don't have some of my scratchbox settings right |
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<Rossimo> |
i've got to pick the right architecture, i suppose. |
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<Magon> |
probably..or try OE |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah |
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<Rossimo> |
http://zipit.pastebin.com/d6bb00c8b |
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<Rossimo> |
hmm, interesting stuff, i guess it's the startup script for the zipit software |
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<Rossimo> |
/mnt/ffs/start.sh |
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<Magon> |
yes |
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<Magon> |
mayby cp /mnt/ffs/ /mnt/sd0/flash -R will help |
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<Magon> |
and mkdir /mnt/sd0/flash |
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<Magon> |
or -r ? |
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<Magon> |
cannot remember |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah, basically just all the settings, plus the background i've downloaded |
| [16:29:42] |
<Rossimo> |
kinda nice, i can finally add my own radio stations and backgrounds, rather that the ones on the site |
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<Magon> |
:-) |
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<Rossimo> |
already, finally got something compiled and running |
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<GPSFan> |
Rossimo: have you been able to list any directories beyond /proc? |
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<Rossimo> |
actually, thats what i'm doing right now, trying to get everything in /usr /lib, and /sbin |
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<Rossimo> |
i just noticed that it stops halfway through the vm folder |
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<GPSFan> |
I get an empty file if I try to ls -alh /sbin |
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<Rossimo> |
ah |
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<GPSFan> |
if you ls -ahR / it stops at a different place in /proc |
| [22:48:57] |
<Rossimo> |
oh, i've only tried it twice |
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<Rossimo> |
i'm really trying to figure out how to configure the wireless device |
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<Rossimo> |
if i could get it connected, and the run SSH on it, that would be great |
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<GPSFan> |
I've veen able to copy files to the sd from various directories. |
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<Rossimo> |
cool |
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<GPSFan> |
or even telnet. look at the start.sh, and see what happens if there isn't a z2script.sh. just add that to the end of your z2script.sh. |
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<Rossimo> |
i've been playing around with the framebuffer also, not really sure how the pixels are stored in memory |
| [22:49:33] |
<Rossimo> |
seems i'm editing the wrong pixels and the wrong colors |
| [22:49:35] |
<GPSFan> |
I can cat /dev/random > /dev/fb0 and I get snow on the screen. |
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<Rossimo> |
k |
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<GPSFan> |
I can cat /dev/random > /dev/zero and I get a blank screen. |
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<GPSFan> |
oops |
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<Rossimo> |
/dev/zero /dev/fb0? |
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<GPSFan> |
zero gives a blank screen |
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<Rossimo> |
ah |
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<GPSFan> |
random gives snow |
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<Rossimo> |
yeah |
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<GPSFan> |
the wireless driver is in 4 parts, gspi.ko gspi8686.ko and the two files in /lib/firmware |
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<Rossimo> |
can it be configured using iwconfig? |
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<GPSFan> |
the 2 .ko files include the string license=GPL but I've been told that the gspi.ko file is not released by marvell. |
| [22:58:22] |
<Rossimo> |
yeah, i wonder what the difficulties will be when releasing custom firmware |
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<GPSFan> |
I've also been told that the gspi8686.ko is basically the libertas driver. |
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<Rossimo> |
is that an OSS marvell driver? |
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<GPSFan> |
yes |
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<GPSFan> |
but it doesn't support the spi interface. that is what the gspi.ko does. which isn't oss. |
| [22:59:32] |
<Rossimo> |
ah |
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<GPSFan> |
even though the gspi.ko module contains the "license=GPL" string. Probably there to shut the kernel's tainted messages etc. |
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<GPSFan> |
off |
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<Rossimo> |
hmm, i'm not getting anything in the directory listings, either |
| [23:06:06] |
<Rossimo> |
my startup script is:ls /bin/ -Ral > /mnt/sd0/bin |
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<Rossimo> |
ls /sbin/ -Ral > /mnt/sd0/sbin |
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<Rossimo> |
ls /usr/ -Ral > /mnt/sd0/usr |
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<Rossimo> |
ls /lib/ -Ral > /mnt/sd0/lib |
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<Rossimo> |
and everything is empty |
| [23:06:10] |
<GPSFan> |
maybe a problem with busybox. you might try /bin/busybox > /mnt/sd0/xxx |
| [23:06:21] |
<GPSFan> |
but there is stuff in /lib as your first ls showed. |
| [23:06:48] |
<GPSFan> |
or try ls -alR /bin > /mnt/sd0/bin if that doesn't work then it's probably a busybox bug in the version they used. |
| [23:06:59] |
<Rossimo> |
maybe I should copy the entire flash |
| [23:07:07] |
<GPSFan> |
yep, that might work. the problem will be to not copy what is /proc. |
| [23:07:10] |
<Rossimo> |
maybe dd? |
| [23:07:45] |
<GPSFan> |
dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=/mnt/sd0/blk1 and so on for mtdblock2 & 3 |
| [23:08:01] |
<GPSFan> |
probably the bootloader, kernel & root file system. really need to do a dmesg to see what kernel messages came out at boot time. |
| [23:08:07] |
<Rossimo> |
already tried dmesg, nothing there |
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<Rossimo> |
i'll post cpuinfo and meminfo |
| [23:08:13] |
<GPSFan> |
probably no dmesg in their busybox. |
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<Rossimo> |
could get that |
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<GPSFan> |
maybe try cp /sbin/* /mnt/sd0/sbin/ |
| [23:08:35] |
<Rossimo> |
we need permanent place to put this stuff up |
| [23:08:42] |
<Rossimo> |
linux.zipitwireless.com should be up very soon |
| [23:08:44] |
<Rossimo> |
but, there's no forums, nor a wiki, i think |
| [23:09:05] |
<Rossimo> |
wait, yeah they have a wiki, build into trac |
| [23:09:05] |
<Rossimo> |
built* |
| [23:09:13] |
<GPSFan> |
it is also under the control of zipit, so we may not be as free as we might want to do as we please. |
| [23:09:18] |
<Rossimo> |
yeah, a free-edit mediawiki would be great |
| [23:09:41] |
<Rossimo> |
maybe i'll get something up on one of my sites |
| [23:09:44] |
<GPSFan> |
well I didn't get any files when I tried to copy all of /sbin to the sd card. |
| [23:19:40] |
<GPSFan> |
btw, how did you find out about z2script.sh? |
| [23:19:53] |
<Rossimo> |
i've been chatting with the guys at Zipit lately |
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<Rossimo> |
their offices are in Greenville, and they've been contacting local LUGs |
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<GPSFan> |
more than drmikecrowe? |
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<GPSFan> |
ah. |
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<Rossimo> |
i've talked with ralph heredia |
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<GPSFan> |
ohhhh. |
| [23:23:35] |
<Rossimo> |
hmm, i wish there was a way i could get the Z2 to beep when all the commands are done |
| [23:24:22] |
<GPSFan> |
I did a cat of random to the screen first the a cat of zero when done. |
| [23:24:27] |
<GPSFan> |
like a visual bell. |
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<Rossimo> |
that would work |
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<Rossimo> |
there's going to be a root password or something most probably when we need to get telnet/SSH up |
| [23:33:15] |
<GPSFan> |
best to build an entire rootfs on the sd card and chroot or pivotroot to it. I just tried to insmod the wireless drivers etc, and start up the Zipit2 app. it hung with a blank screen (meaning I got to the insmod successfully. |
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<GPSFan> |
but who knows what happened after taht. |
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<GPSFan> |
night... |
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<Rossimo> |
later |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey GPSFan |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: morning.. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Morning! Check this out: |
| [09:03:57] |
<drmikecrowe> |
Zipit Wi-Fi Device Adds Text Messaging |
| [09:03:57] |
<drmikecrowe> |
The Associated Press - |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Zipit Wireless Inc. plans to announce Tuesday that it will make available a text-messaging plan for its Zipit Wireless Messenger 2, a device the size of fat ... |
| [09:04:14] |
<GPSFan> |
cool, what's the latest on the linux.zipitwireless.com site? |
| [09:04:28] |
<drmikecrowe> |
I'm pissed at how slow the system is, but this texting release has me consumed. It's slow, but IMHO it's ok for public consumption. |
| [09:04:29] |
<drmikecrowe> |
Did you have a chance to review? |
| [09:24:07] |
<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: I'd review it if I could access it. |
| [09:24:31] |
<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: forget that last comment... I got a lousy cold and can't think straight.... |
| [09:34:08] |
<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: I have a question for your lawyers regarding the wireless driver. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
k |
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<GPSFan> |
The Z2 wireless driver consists of 4 parts, 2 firmware files from /lib/firmware, and 2 modules: gspi.ko and gspi8686.ko. Both of the .ko files contain the string "license=GPL". The question is, whether these 2 module sources will be released? I understand that the 2 firmware files cannot, but what about the .ko modules that report themselves to the kernel as GPL? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'll ask and see |
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<GPSFan> |
thanks. |
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<Rossimo> |
drmikecrowe: do you know if things like forums and a free-edit wiki will be avaliable at linux.zipitwireless.com? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Rossimo: free edit wiki's, absolutely via trac. forums, I've asked Magon to research what are our options |
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<Rossimo> |
ok, thanks |
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<drmikecrowe> |
did you see our big press release today? |
| [11:09:47] |
<drmikecrowe> |
http://news.techwhack.com/6978/zipit-wireless-messenger/ |
| [11:09:50] |
<drmikecrowe> |
wait, wrong one |
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<drmikecrowe> |
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jS1TQu-NFZtov3mzwGpUsHp9Yz2wD8TJLOQG0 |
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<drmikecrowe> |
(you probably want the ap one, not the New Dehli one...) |
| [11:17:04] |
<Rossimo> |
nice. was it you i was talking to over the speakerphone with ralph last thursday? |
| [11:17:08] |
<drmikecrowe> |
yes! Gotcha |
| [11:17:18] |
<drmikecrowe> |
This was the big release we were working on |
| [11:17:29] |
<Rossimo> |
yes, he mentioned it. is anyone from linuxdevices.com in this channel? |
| [11:18:14] |
<GPSFan> |
no, just us chickens... ;>) |
| [11:18:20] |
<Rossimo> |
ha, k |
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<Rossimo> |
well, i'm a student from clemson university, and i work with the Clemson Linux User Group |
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<Magon> |
Rossimo: we have to options..integrate some forum to kforge or get working trac multiprojket plugint |
| [11:18:51] |
<Rossimo> |
cool |
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<Rossimo> |
one other thing that may be nice, you guys may already be doing this, is to keep a log of the chat in this channel. i've been dissecting the Z2 filesystem and just posting my results in here for anyone who wants to listen |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I think I do (SB-Zipit is my supybot), but I haven't migrated it to posting on the wiki yet |
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<Rossimo> |
alright, nice |
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<Rossimo> |
alright, i'm off to finish christmas shopping |
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* |
Rossimo idles like a pro |
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<Magon> |
i am still waiting for unit..it going to be christmas presend by postal services.... |
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<Magon> |
do any of you know any RSS agregator for GPE? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Crofton, you guys around? |
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<GPSFan> |
I'm here for a bit till dinner.. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Thanks. Want to help us test our new texting release? |
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<GPSFan> |
the texting stuff? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yeah -- Zipit <-> Cell phone SMS |
| [19:33:37] |
<drmikecrowe> |
You didn't see our press release? |
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<GPSFan> |
ah, sure. I got an e-mail today |
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<GPSFan> |
says it goes live tomorrow. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jS1TQu-NFZtov3mzwGpUsHp9Yz2wD8TJLOQG0 |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Right. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
"go live" may be fun |
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<GPSFan> |
the 10 free messages/month is a nice touch. |
| [19:33:53] |
<drmikecrowe> |
We need to do a layered roll-out. We will be looking for testers to help us wring out the kinks |
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<drmikecrowe> |
You can basically get our 1.1 software and start experimenting. Helping us make sure we did everything covered |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We'll probably give you a reward of some free months if you can help us |
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<GPSFan> |
I've never used text messageing before. I'm not one of those kidz that lives on their cell phone. ;>) |
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<GPSFan> |
I'd rather have access to the ext connector and details of the root file system. |
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<Rossimo> |
that sounds nice... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Rossimo: sounds good |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Have I not given you the stuff for the wiki? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We've been so swamped with this release, I don't remembert |
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<GPSFan> |
no |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Rossimo: You have it, right? |
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<Rossimo> |
i have the user/pass for linux.zipitwireless.com |
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<Rossimo> |
same ass the trac wiki, right? |
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<Rossimo> |
as* |
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<Rossimo> |
bad typo |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Just a note: I ahve a setting problem that is slooooowwwww. |
| [19:51:27] |
<drmikecrowe> |
I just haven't had time to figure out what's slowing it up |
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<GPSFan> |
I noticed... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
painful. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Hopefully, once I get this release complete, I"ll figure out what apache/mod_python setting is cripplimg it' |
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<Rossimo> |
weird, it's slower today than it usually has been |
| [19:52:14] |
<drmikecrowe> |
also, I'm not totally pleased with kforge. It's much easier to install than gforge, but I"m almost ready to kill it and just use trac with the multi-project plugin |
| [19:52:16] |
<GPSFan> |
I haven't gotten beyond the registered projects page. |
| [19:52:23] |
<drmikecrowe> |
Did you register yet? You have to register to get to the hardware connector/sd card pages. |
| [19:52:37] |
<GPSFan> |
it just hangs at loading. on all projects I've tried...... ah it would be nice if it said that or returned an error. |
| [19:53:04] |
<Rossimo> |
it usually returns me to the login page, the site seems extremely slow right now |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah, my server monitoring system just started sending me sms's that it was unreachable. WTF? |
| [19:54:58] |
<GPSFan> |
very slow, I'm reading the EULA. I don't want to agree without being absolutely certain I can/should. Ah, Dinner. BBL ;>) |
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<Crofton> |
drmikecrowe, I'm going to be swamped until after X-mas |
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<Crofton> |
however, I almost have a floor in my office now .... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ok. np |
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<drmikecrowe> |
LOL -- good luck |
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<Crofton> |
thanks |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping, would you like some feedback on linux.zipitwireless.com ? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: abosolutely, but I can't right now. This texting release is at a critical stage. Can I ping you tomorrow on it? |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: sure, I have a file of notes that I can dcc to you. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
or email to linux@zipitwireless.com -- I'm monitoring that email too |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: does that go only to you or to others as well? |
| [12:14:58] |
<drmikecrowe> |
just me |
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<GPSFan> |
ok, I'll e-mail it to you. it's a work in progress, so there is likely to be more as time goes by. |
| [12:23:32] |
<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: I also want to hear any questions/concerns about the license agreement too. We want it to be right as well |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: that's next on the list. I haven't aggreed to it yet so that all I have done so far is with pubically available information. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
understood. Our goal is to make this attractive to developers. If there's something which causes concern or an unwillingness to agree, please tell us ASAP. |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: are your notes public? i would like to see it |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: not at the moment. |
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<Magon> |
GPSFan: ok |
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<Magon> |
i have review the page, but I have no notes |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: e-mail on the way.. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
thank you! |
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<GPSFan> |
http://www.ogo.com/ogoFeaturesCT25.aspx interesting device... |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: pong |
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<GPSFan> |
I've been looking at the blob patch, and it seems like it is supposed to apply to 2.0.5-pre2. but it doesn't apply properly. It is a combination of the code from blob's cvs and your patches. If you can e-mail/dcc me a tarball of the source you built blob from I'll see if I can come up with a patch that works. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Thanks, I'll ask. However, I think these guys are gone for Christmas. I'll ask as soon as I can |
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<GPSFan> |
ok, I just wanted to see what youall did to blob. I haven't used that bootloader since the TuxScreen days (2002-2003). |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Our engineering department gave me the patch file I posted. I"m very surprised it didn't match that version number. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: btw I've gone through about 1/2 of the EULA and have notes on each paragraph. I should be done after the weekend. |
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<GPSFan> |
well the patch is odd because it combines what was done since 2.0.5-pre2 and the current cvs (at best 2 years old) and your mods. that patch does not apply to the 2.0.5-pre2 code downloadable from the blob site (which is about 1 year older than the lates cvs) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
good, thanks |
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<Magon_> |
GPSFan: how can you write so many notes ? i went througth all the EULA and had just about 4-5 notes |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon_: well I'n not a software guy, or a lawyer, and am at times quite paranoid. Some of the notes consist of "<ok>" and some are more. so it's not as bad as it might seem. |
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<Magon_> |
GPSFan: i am more software guy and mathemathican...so i usualy just say ok |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Hi folks |
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<Rossimo> |
hello |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Rossimo: we've updated the wiki -- LMK what you think |
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