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<Magon> |
hi all |
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<GPSFan> |
Magon: morning.. |
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<Magon> |
morning? where are you from? |
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<GPSFan> |
I'm in western colorado. |
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<Magon> |
i am in europe :-) |
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<Magon> |
but dritf should be like 6-7 hours |
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<Magon> |
drift |
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<Magon> |
so you should have about noon |
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<GPSFan> |
we are UTC -7 currently. |
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<Magon> |
so you have about 10? |
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<GPSFan> |
9:25AM |
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<Magon> |
ok...morning :-) |
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<Magon> |
i am UTC + 1, so it is 8 hours :-( |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan, FireEgl, can you guys please drop? I need to make some channel modifications |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan_770: also |
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<GPSFan> |
unless an op changes it. "/chanserv help set topiclock" |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right, just did that |
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<GPSFan> |
;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
perfect, I really appreciate it |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Did you get your zipit yet? |
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<GPSFan> |
np. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: 'supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ' is not a valid configuration variable. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: 'supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ' is not a valid configuration variable. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<GPSFan> |
it looks like there has been a lot of activity on the Yahoo group by the folks that have gotten their's. zipitpet's board looks just like the one in the FCC doc's. (severay white/yellow wires) |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yeah, his comments were pretty accurate. I hope I can convince him to join us in building up our community |
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<GPSFan> |
I've never seen him on IRC, but we were in constant e-mail contact while we were getting the first rebuilt kernel & rootfs going. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I realy want to get something up Monday, if possible. Maybe gforge or kforge as an initial poral |
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<drmikecrowe> |
portal* |
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<drmikecrowe> |
That way I can get the patches and stuff out to those who want it |
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<GPSFan> |
I won't be arround till after lunch on Monday. lotsa stuff going on that am. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
sound good. Thanks for your help on setting this p |
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<drmikecrowe> |
up |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@help indentify |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: Error: There is no command "indentify". |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@help identify |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: (identify <name> <password>) -- Identifies the user as <name>. This command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel. |
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<GPSFan> |
np, glad to help, I really hope that zipit management has seen the usefulness of the OSS community, and that this will be the start of a good working relationship. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We really have. Part of my selling to them was that I could really help enable that community |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: you have to "/nickserv identify <password> "in the channel |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm already identified. I'm trying to tell the bot that I'm the owner |
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<GPSFan> |
hmm |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey, I have to run too. I'll be around later today |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@config supybot.plugins.Services.NickServ NickServ |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: The operation succeeded. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
cool |
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<GPSFan> |
haha, you figured it our!! |
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<GPSFan> |
out even... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I think* |
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<GPSFan> |
lol, there are so many commands, and the doc's I linked you to are not quite the same as what chanserv thinks they are, so lots of trial & error gonna happen ;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
exactly! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
What a mess |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@stats |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
@help |
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<SB-Zipit> |
drmikecrowe: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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<Magon> |
topic - comming soon looks promising |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm installing gforge now |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: You there? |
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<GPSFan> |
yep, how it going? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
pretty good, you? |
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<GPSFan> |
chilly here today, so far it's up to just above freezing... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
where's that? |
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<GPSFan> |
western colorado |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ah, lovely area |
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<GPSFan> |
absolutely! |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Wanted your opinion -- we need a forge system. http://demo.kforgeproject.com/ vs. http://gforge.org |
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<drmikecrowe> |
kforge is easier to set up, but gforge seems to be a defacto-standard |
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<drmikecrowe> |
any opinions? |
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* |
GPSFan looks |
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<GPSFan> |
do they both host all the project data or do you plan to host it on your/zipits servers? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm going to install one or the other on my server here |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I can install kforge easily, but it appears to be less capable than gforge |
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<GPSFan> |
do you know any "well known" projects that use either? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Many use gforge |
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<drmikecrowe> |
one example: http://rubyforge.org/ |
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<drmikecrowe> |
http://pgfoundry.org/ |
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<GPSFan> |
ah, I know of postgresql & ruby, tehy are both good code bases. I'm not a real software guy, I've never setup or operated such a thing. One thing I do know is that Sourceforge is the pits at times (often) |
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<GPSFan> |
the kforge stuff is python based which is good, but you are not developing the forge code, just wanting to use a good set. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right -- I'm *thinking* that installing gforge would be a better commitment to the OSS community (although it's a bigger pain for me...) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
:D |
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<GPSFan> |
given my quick look, i'd probably start out trying to install gforge. see how it goes. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
thanks -- you're reinforcing what I thought too |
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<GPSFan> |
why not try the gforge vmware image? |
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<GPSFan> |
as a test to see how you like the opeeration. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Yeah, I'm downloading it now |
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<drmikecrowe> |
500M, so not quick... |
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<GPSFan> |
also might want to look ath their code svn/cvs repositories to see how often there are changes. ie how active is their development/bug fixing. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah |
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<T0mW> |
hmmm, "On FedEx vehicle for delivery" |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: too bad you cannot send the Z2s via Priority Mail. I usually get packages sent from Las Vegas, NV, in about two..three days that way. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We just didn't have time to set it up. I think the expedited shipping has been added, but haven't checked. That's not a direct responsibility of mine |
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<T0mW> |
nod |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Hey, question for you: I'm setting up linux.zipitwireless.com |
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<T0mW> |
ok |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm struggling with what community engine to use: I'm leaning towards kforge, I have gforge installed, and I'm also thinking that trac will be what we need |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Do you have any inputs? |
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<T0mW> |
none, maybe some of the other guys will have an opinion. I don't know either one, most of what I do is from cvs, svn, etc. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yeah, all support svn. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm leaning towards just supporting trac -- gives us the wiki, svn, forums, and a core meeting place |
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<T0mW> |
I'm laying out a circuit board this morning, so, I am somewhere else |
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<drmikecrowe> |
np -- luck |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I will still run openzipit.org and post my stuff there. Wikis are ok but they drive me nuts in that I find it difficult (at times) to format the data when doing a writeup of how to do something. |
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<T0mW> |
I put together a script engine writting in PHP for my websites. Just simple boxes holding text / images, I use my own scripting language to put content up. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: PM me your order info. I'll check on it |
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<T0mW> |
its on the truck |
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GPSFan sees that FexEx finally has it in their system. It's now in New Jersey, on its way to Colorado from Arizona..... supposed to be here the 28th, one week later than originally estimated. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: LOL! sorry, but I just had to laugh about that. :-? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I've been watching the FedEx page for about a week, then it finally said something last Friday, nothing about it being in NJ though. Then Saturday it showed up in New Jersey. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: apparently, somebody dropped shipped the Z2s to the Keasbey, NJ terminal? Prolly off a container shipment out of Fort Lee, NJ. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: I guess the route for FedEx ground goes from Az to a hub in Nj |
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<GPSFan> |
that could be too. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: didn't you know that the Great Circle Route is faster? |
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<GPSFan> |
ah, that explains why PHBs run around in circles... |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: heh. to make a point to a customer, I ran a traceroute between his office and my place here. We have about 40 miles separation by air, 55 miles by hiway. the packets were being routed through southern NJ, Maryland, then DC, Virgina, then into Harrisburg PA, ... |
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<T0mW> |
a one way trip of about 600mile |
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<T0mW> |
the Z2 seems tiny compared against the Z1. Z1 looms over it. |
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<T0mW> |
I like the backlit keys |
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<T0mW> |
LCD backlight is definately bright enough! |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you definately want to plug the AC into this puppy before you turn it on. it downloads a bunch of updates and the LIon seems to only have a residual charge in it. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: good to know, I guess I'll find out on Wed. ;>( |
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<T0mW> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: decent color screen on it. 72mm diagonal: 60mm X 45mm |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: did it come with a headset? the FCC docs show one, as well as the charger. it has a boom mile too. |
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<GPSFan> |
mike.. |
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<T0mW> |
manual, charger, Z2 and an iron-on decal |
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<T0mW> |
at least I think it is a decal |
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<GPSFan> |
the cpu has all sorts of nice built in peripherials, now it's time to find out what's on that expansion connector. |
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<T0mW> |
heh :D |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: maybe we can ask drmikecrowe ? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I don't want to scratch this pretty little case, just yet. |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Mostly gpio and lots of signals. I have just received a rough idea. Our engineers are putting together a package I can release on the web site. I hope I can complete that this week |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: you do what you have to do, I am in no hurry... But, Ken here might be the impatient type. hehheh |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I know, I know! I used to think I could leap talk buildings with a single bound (until I worked here) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
:D |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: IOW, you got out of school and got a job. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: since I won't get my Z2 till later this week, it's no big deal. but it is definately on the "list" |
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<drmikecrowe> |
lol -- T0mW, would you believe I'm a veteran? 5 years designing, 12 in the technology field while doing systems stuff on the side, and now architecting this. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
It's a blast |
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<GPSFan> |
mating connector availability as well. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
right |
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<T0mW> |
heh |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: I know, I love doing new stuff |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Keeps life fun |
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<T0mW> |
especially if you have more than one project to work on at a time. I need multiple projs so that I get stuck on one, I can go work on another for a while. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I think I've seen a similar conn on TFT displays |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: I would hope it is not custom to the Z2. |
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<GPSFan> |
that is if there are any useful signals on it. like USB, serial, spi... |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: 0.5mm pin spacing |
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<GPSFan> |
jtag even |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: you know how the SATA conns on the m'board look like? Where they are "face" contact type? |
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<GPSFan> |
yep. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: that is what this connector resembles. it is a slab of plastic with connector strips on its facing |
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<T0mW> |
s/connector/connector metal/ |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: miniSD card inserts and is flush with the outer case |
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<T0mW> |
what is interesting is that I'm still getting people wanting their Z1s modified. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: how do you get it out? is it spring loaded? |
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<T0mW> |
push-push conn |
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<T0mW> |
yes, spring loaded so you can eject it up to 10 feet away if it slips, heh |
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<GPSFan> |
woopie.. |
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<T0mW> |
internet radio |
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<T0mW> |
cool, mute and un-mute |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: will fit in a T-shirt breast pocket |
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<GPSFan> |
the wolfson micro 8750 codec has mono mic in, as well as a builtin speaker driver. |
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<GPSFan> |
it could be a SIP VOIP device. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: skype anyone? |
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<GPSFan> |
can you say closed source, Skype would have to port, and the CPU probably doesn't have enough horse power. |
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<T0mW> |
well, maybe not skype |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: has yours phoned home to update its software yet? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: yeah, immediately after booting. Same warning "do not shutoff during update..." |
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<GPSFan> |
so you are at 1.0, or higher? |
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<T0mW> |
still at 1.00 Nov 14, 2007 |
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<GPSFan> |
geeze, they have had almost 2 weeks, it should be at at least 2.5 by now ;>) |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: how's the wifi sensitivity? |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: seems pretty good, but haven't done much with it other than to walk outside |
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<T0mW> |
definately will wait for the linux.zipitwireless.com website before I start hacking code for it. |
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<GPSFan> |
k, I was amazed at how god the Nokia 770's wifi was, Connexant wifi chipset. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: I'm going into town later so I will try it out at a spot I know was weak. Without access to the iwtools, it is hard to tell. |
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<T0mW> |
uhoh |
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<T0mW> |
I think I locked it up |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: wow! It is loud! |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: no puny little speaker in this thing! |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: I like it, I think you have a great little gimmick there. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Thanks, T0mW, we're getting there. |
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<T0mW> |
I have the lid cracked open 1.5" and listening to internet radio. It has respectable volume |
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<T0mW> |
the backlights have gone off so it should conserve power pretty well |
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<T0mW> |
I can see kids using this thing |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: I did lock it up though |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Upgrading the first time? |
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<T0mW> |
no, using the internet radio. I might recall the keystrokes, but I had to pull the battery as it wouldn't repsond to the power off switch |
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<drmikecrowe> |
There's a tiny reset switch on the left side |
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<T0mW> |
safe to use that? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yes, just like pulling battery |
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<T0mW> |
ok |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Any lockups you see, please help me fully understand. |
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<T0mW> |
will do |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: change the logo on the lid to a lensed image and have it wink at you when you view it from a differnet angle. |
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<T0mW> |
no need for holograph, just serrated lens |
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<drmikecrowe> |
LOL -- that's great. I'll pass that along |
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<T0mW> |
I did half expect it do wink as I tipped the unit. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: Make sure you register on the web site -- you can then change those 4 radio stations to others. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm working on getting an updated list from the people who supply that to us |
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<T0mW> |
ok good |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: it would be nice to edit your personal list... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
of stations or buddies? Both are on the list of enhancements coming soon |
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<T0mW> |
stations. I admin some linux boxes at three KFC stores for a client, I just put a list of some internet radio stations together for him to use to play in the lobbies. |
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<T0mW> |
tried to focus on country, jazz and oldies for him |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We are supposed to be licensing these "good" links, and they keep them fresh. I just haven't gotten an update posted yet to the site |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: heading home -- back later |
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<T0mW> |
k |
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<T0mW> |
drmikecrowe: can the Z2 keep date+time between powerdowns? IOW, battery backed clock ? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
T0mW: the rtc runs off the main battery, so you should be fine |
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<T0mW> |
good |
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<T0mW> |
that was annoying w/Z1 where it didn't know date/time on powerup and no network connection |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yep |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: do you know much about the software architecture of the Z2? ie. the Z1's main app had its own internal drivers for the video, kbd, power control. It used some kernel modules for wifi and sound. What about the Z2? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Not that much yet. I hope to release as much of the drivers as I can, to help the community build up quickly |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: I'm just trying to get an idea about what drivers will have to be developed, vs what will be useable out of the box. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Understood -- I hope that core stuff should be fairly easy to release to OSS, but I don't know for sure yet. I have to get a look at the code |
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<GPSFan> |
ok, another question about the bootloader. at one time you implied that it could load the rootfs (and maybe kernel) from the sd card, is this true? |
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<GPSFan> |
and is it a home-grown bootloader of something like RedBoot, or u-boot? |
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<GPSFan> |
s/of/or |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey ken, what's up? |
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<GPSFan> |
looks like my z2 will get here tomorrow, it finally showed up on FedEx's tracking system in Henderson CO, this afternoon, from prior experiencre that means it will be here tomorrow. :>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
lol -- sorry it has taken so long. Things have been crazy here, as you can imagine |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I have 90% of the forge site ready, then hit a major snag -- trac wouldn't come up. Some conflict between python2.5 and apache. grrr |
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<GPSFan> |
I can, tahings have been busy here too, so I wouldn't have had time to play with it, |
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<GPSFan> |
what is going to be on the forge when you go live? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
kernel, rear connector docs, etc. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I want to include block diagrams too (of the h/w) |
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<GPSFan> |
any bootloader or rootfs info? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
In about a week, I will be posting full docs on how to boot off the sd card |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) |
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<GPSFan> |
that will make a lot of folks happy... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm not sure about the bootloader -- I think it will boot to a point and then switch to the sd card, after which you have full control |
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<GPSFan> |
did you find out whether it was home-grown or something like RedBoot or u-boot? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
i haven't yet. It's on that ever-growing list of stuff... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I'm now downloading a new virtual machine to re-build this forge on a new instance. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
what a pain |
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<GPSFan> |
btw, thanks for your efforts. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We're getting there. With all the stuff I have to do (parental portal, widgets, etc), I've been happy that this is the top priority! That's comforting |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: I'm oop for a bit -- need to get some exercise in. I'll be back in 30-45m or so |
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<GPSFan> |
cul, I gotta go eat dinner... |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ok, ping me tomorrow. If you are free, I might ave an advanced look to let you view |
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<drmikecrowe> |
(if I can get it up tonight like I hope) |
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<GPSFan> |
;>)) thanks.. cu tomorrow.. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: ping |
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<drmikecrowe> |
hey ken, what's up |
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<GPSFan> |
gotit... ;>) |
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<drmikecrowe> |
so, so close. I got trac up at 4:30pm, and am loading some stuff in it now. I'm also going to try and see what I can release |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I also have all the patches |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Question for you: Our system is based on 2.6.21.1. How bad will it be if I just reference that version but not supply it? point to kernel.org? |
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<GPSFan> |
great, Got a question, how do you enter a ip address manually? |
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<GPSFan> |
foundit... |
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<GPSFan> |
do you supply patches to that version of the kernel? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
yes |
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<GPSFan> |
and if you use a vanilla kernel from kernel.org. I believe the "letter of the GPLv2" says you still have to provide the source. But I believe it is accepted taht you can just reference the source at kernel.org. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
I got it from our engineering group, but it had an error in the tar. I've asked for them to rebuild it, hopefully will be asap |
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<GPSFan> |
it is very difficult to enter ip addresses with the way the shift/alt key functions work. and when it fails to work, all the fields are blank when you try again. I may have to enable dhcp for a bit on my access point. |
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<GPSFan> |
the screen is really nice. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ugh, I didn't think about that for the IP address. We have very few people who enter pure IP addresses. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
You can press the ALT key twice to "lock" it into numeric mode -- but that doesn't help your periods |
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<GPSFan> |
yeah, my keyboard driver allowed yuu to hold down the alt key and type all the numbers you wanted, releasing it to type the period's. |
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<GPSFan> |
ip address entry was very fast |
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<drmikecrowe> |
maybe we can incorporate that in the next release :D |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We need to address, but there's a lot of other things to do first... |
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<GPSFan> |
your market targets probably all have dhcp enabled, it's just us hackers that dont ;>) |
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<GPSFan> |
I wouldn't worry about it unless you get complaints form you target audience. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Actually, improving the keyboard to allow simultaneous modifier+key is useful. |
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<GPSFan> |
I'll have to look up in my notes how the Z1 keyboard was set up, but it wsa able to handle at least the alt key+other keys. I wish though that the implementation had been slightly different, because of the way the lid switch was wired in, it prevented me from using interrupts on the kbd driver. it wound up being a polled interface. No one seemed to notice and it worked as well as I hoped it would. |
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<GPSFan> |
I think it has crashed. I got the network setup, it authorized, and said it was downloading System. it got to 1% and the spinning Z stopped, and it's just sitting there. Anything I can do to see if it's still alive? it's been that way for about 5 minutes. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
The Z should never stop spinning, if it does, reset it |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We have an issue that updating when at the "edge" of the wireless range can cause this. We keep working on improving the wifi range, and are building it up better. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
However, in some cases, being distant from the router can cause problems on upgrades. |
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<GPSFan> |
ok.it's got 3 bars on the ap display, the ap is about 20' away. |
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<GPSFan> |
I'll enable dhcp so I don't have to type in all that stuff each time. time for dinner anyway. cul.. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
Do you remember if there was a version number was of the app when it booted? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
ok -- later |
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<GPSFan> |
yes, .91 |
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<drmikecrowe> |
We had to release that version weeks ago to get into manufacturing. This first upgrade is less robust, but should work fine if you move a little closer |
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<drmikecrowe> |
dang startup issues.... |
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<GPSFan> |
par for the course. can't move closer. it also sees my ISP's access point that is 300' away at 3 bars also. very strange. |
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<GPSFan> |
btw my z1 can access that access point from about 700' away. I do a lot of wireless networking stuff out here in the boonies. |
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<GPSFan> |
drmikecrowe: well I enabled dhcp, the Z2 found and got configured automatically, as it should, then the same thing happened, it went out to update the firmware, and stopped. This time I could ping the Z2. but the update seems to hav crashed. I repeated this twice. with the same result. My network is 802.11b, not b/g, so my next try will be switching to a b/g network. |
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<drmikecrowe> |
GPSFan: Do you have any security enabled? |
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<drmikecrowe> |
(on your wifi)? |
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<GPSFan> |
no |
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<GPSFan> |
Rats... I don't have a 802.11g capable router eaisly available. need to wait till tomorrow for that. |
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<GPSFan> |
btw, for the next rev of firmware it might be nice to sense when the Z2 is plugged in and not dim/blank the screen so quickly. |
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<GPSFan> |
T0mW: ping... you alive? |
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<T0mW> |
yes |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: wassup? |
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<GPSFan> |
I got my Z2, but am having problems getting it online. when it goes out to the net to do its first update it freezes at the update 1% mark. is your wifi net an 802.11G net? |
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<T0mW> |
yes, b/g |
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<GPSFan> |
ok, thats what I'll have to try next, mine is 802.11b only. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: no firewall, the wifi is on a separate ethernet card and the card is allowed unrestricted internet access without blocking. Only thing is that I MASQ that connection |
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<GPSFan> |
but I don't hold out too much hope, I see the Z2 going out on the net in the router logs, but nothing happens. I think I have all the firewall stuff turned off. |
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<GPSFan> |
all my z1's had no problem, and none of my other wireless devices have problems either. |
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<T0mW> |
GPSFan: will the Z2 run without any wifi present? |
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<GPSFan> |
I'll probably have to setup etherial to sniff out what's going on. no the zipit really wants a wifi connection to do it's initial update. |
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<T0mW> |
IIRC, my wifi is a crappy Netgear WGR614? |
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<GPSFan> |
I can ping the Z2, even after the update app freezes, so something is still alive. |
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<GPSFan> |
I've tried 2 different accesspoints same results with both. |
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<GPSFan> |
thanks anyway... |
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<T0mW> |
does not sound good. Maybe you need to be patient? It took about 4..5 minutes to download the updates, I have 15Mb/s link into the cloud and at 802.11g, 4 minutes would be a lot of data? |
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<GPSFan> |
it would really be nice if there was an ssh daemon running on the Z2 on some odd port. |
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<T0mW> |
LOL |
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<GPSFan> |
I lerft mine at the 1% screen for a half hour and nothing. |
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<T0mW> |
yeah, with libssl being somewhere near 1meg, that's one app you won't see in a stock Z2 |
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<GPSFan> |
the amount of data may depend on Zipit's servers and if they throttle the update data rates |
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<GPSFan> |
well I have dropbear on my Z1 along with a lot of othe stuff. |
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<T0mW> |
dropbear is smaller, yes |
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<GPSFan> |
I guess I'll find out about their tech support. The screen is nice though. |
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<T0mW> |
notice that it is a cellphone LCD? |
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<GPSFan> |
I noticed that the rgb stripes are sideways. |
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<T0mW> |
view it from left side vs. right side, you can see that the viewing angle is definately better along one axis |
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<GPSFan> |
mighty big display for a phone, smartphone maybe. |
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<T0mW> |
nod |
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<GPSFan> |
night... |
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